Was Paul Ryan's remark inarticulate or racist?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is significant and gets more to the original theme of the thread:

Anonymous wrote:
Research published in today's Washington Post reports that only 47% of African Americans in DC over the age of 16 are actually working... compared to 80% of whites.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/how-will-dcs-next-mayor-tackle-inequality/2014/03/14/69256ee6-aae1-11e3-af5f-4c56b834c4bf_story.html

Yes, well the unemployment rate is almost 20 points higher in black wards vs. white. Also it's easy for both parents to work when you make enough for child care.

The national average is 58% with unemployment at 6.7% AA in DC are at 47% with unemployment at 17.7%

So for the nation, the number of people employed or looking = 58+6.7% = 64.7%
AA in DC = 47% + 17.7% = 64.7%

So basically the percentage who have or want jobs in AA is exactly the same as the country as a whole.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is significant and gets more to the original theme of the thread:

Anonymous wrote:
Research published in today's Washington Post reports that only 47% of African Americans in DC over the age of 16 are actually working... compared to 80% of whites.
[drops mic and exits stage]
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/how-will-dcs-next-mayor-tackle-inequality/2014/03/14/69256ee6-aae1-11e3-af5f-4c56b834c4bf_story.html

Yes, well the unemployment rate is almost 20 points higher in black wards vs. white. Also it's easy for both parents to work when you make enough for child care.

The national average is 58% with unemployment at 6.7% AA in DC are at 47% with unemployment at 17.7%

So for the nation, the number of people employed or looking = 58+6.7% = 64.7%
AA in DC = 47% + 17.7% = 64.7%

So basically the percentage who have or want jobs in AA is exactly the same as the country as a whole.

First, the national rate is 63% and second, that's not how the math works. The number who have jobs is 47% versus 63% nationally or 80% in the rest of the district.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is significant and gets more to the original theme of the thread:

Anonymous wrote:
Research published in today's Washington Post reports that only 47% of African Americans in DC over the age of 16 are actually working... compared to 80% of whites.
[drops mic and exits stage]
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/how-will-dcs-next-mayor-tackle-inequality/2014/03/14/69256ee6-aae1-11e3-af5f-4c56b834c4bf_story.html

Yes, well the unemployment rate is almost 20 points higher in black wards vs. white. Also it's easy for both parents to work when you make enough for child care.

The national average is 58% with unemployment at 6.7% AA in DC are at 47% with unemployment at 17.7%

So for the nation, the number of people employed or looking = 58+6.7% = 64.7%
AA in DC = 47% + 17.7% = 64.7%

So basically the percentage who have or want jobs in AA is exactly the same as the country as a whole.

First, the national rate is 63% and second, that's not how the math works. The number who have jobs is 47% versus 63% nationally or 80% in the rest of the district.

1. It used to be 63%. It's been 58% since the financial crisis. http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS12300000

2. It depends on what question you are trying to answer. IF you want to know the people who have jobs, then yes. If you want to know the people who have jobs or want jobs, then you have to add in unemployment. Unemployment is those who are seeking employment but don't have it.

After all, that was Paul Ryan's issue - that people in inner cities don't want to work.

[Anonymous]

I find it incredibly remarkable that poor people can travel over 3,000 miles from places like Honduras or El Salvador and find work here, managing with little more than the shirt on their backs.

And when they arrive here, they are finding gainful employment - we're not talking migrant workers here - we're talking regular jobs in construction, in restaurants, et cetera - even though they may have less than an 8th grade education and can barely speak English, if at all.

Jobs which pay well enough to get them an apartment, transportation/commute costs, food on the table and basic necessities, plus often enough left over to even send money back to their home country. And that's WITHOUT all the benefit of many of the numerous subsidies and aid programs that US-citizen DC residents can get (which they as non-citizens cannot get many of).

Yet we have folks who live right here who somehow can't manage to find a job.

Very remarkable indeed.

In that light, the "want" you mention underlined above is a highly subjective and extremely relative term. Seems apparent that they don't "want" it anywhere near as badly as many other folks do.

[Anonymous]

racist

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I find it incredibly remarkable that poor people can travel over 3,000 miles from places like Honduras or El Salvador and find work here, managing with little more than the shirt on their backs.

And when they arrive here, they are finding gainful employment - we're not talking migrant workers here - we're talking regular jobs in construction, in restaurants, et cetera - even though they may have less than an 8th grade education and can barely speak English, if at all.

Jobs which pay well enough to get them an apartment, transportation/commute costs, food on the table and basic necessities, plus often enough left over to even send money back to their home country. And that's WITHOUT all the benefit of many of the numerous subsidies and aid programs that US-citizen DC residents can get (which they as non-citizens cannot get many of).

Yet we have folks who live right here who somehow can't manage to find a job.

Very remarkable indeed.

In that light, the "want" you mention underlined above is a highly subjective and extremely relative term. Seems apparent that they don't "want" it anywhere near as badly as many other folks do.

+1000. Actually, in Mexico, the free public schools only go to 6th grade. After that, there is no school unless your parents pay for it. In reporting on last years teachers protest in Mexico City, NPR reporters noted that teaching positions can by union contract, be inherited or purchased, so the quality of public education is abysmal.

Despite these challenges, people from Mexico risk their lives for the chance to enter our employment market and rarely complain about "living wage" or the EBT they receive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I find it incredibly remarkable that poor people can travel over 3,000 miles from places like Honduras or El Salvador and find work here, managing with little more than the shirt on their backs.

And when they arrive here, they are finding gainful employment - we're not talking migrant workers here - we're talking regular jobs in construction, in restaurants, et cetera - even though they may have less than an 8th grade education and can barely speak English, if at all.

Jobs which pay well enough to get them an apartment, transportation/commute costs, food on the table and basic necessities, plus often enough left over to even send money back to their home country. And that's WITHOUT all the benefit of many of the numerous subsidies and aid programs that US-citizen DC residents can get (which they as non-citizens cannot get many of).

Yet we have folks who live right here who somehow can't manage to find a job.

Very remarkable indeed.

In that light, the "want" you mention underlined above is a highly subjective and extremely relative term. Seems apparent that they don't "want" it anywhere near as badly as many other folks do.

Gee, I guess there is no excuse for being unemployed. So if anyone who wants a job can get one, why have the Republicans ceaselessly hammered Obama on jobs?

You can't have it both ways.

[Anonymous]

Seriously! Our whole govt is corrupt and a few people post back and forth here to make it seem this trivial matter is urgent, of as utmost importance. Our country has been hijacked. We are being held hostage by the bankers and elitists of both parties! Our men and women are being sacrificed to support the insatiable appetite for war of the evil fux who have wormed their way in power. Either these posters here are on the payroll of this evil empire trying their best to divert our attention to their evil deeds while dividing us true Americans or they have been brainwashed and need to be deprogrammed!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I find it incredibly remarkable that poor people can travel over 3,000 miles from places like Honduras or El Salvador and find work here, managing with little more than the shirt on their backs.

And when they arrive here, they are finding gainful employment - we're not talking migrant workers here - we're talking regular jobs in construction, in restaurants, et cetera - even though they may have less than an 8th grade education and can barely speak English, if at all.

Jobs which pay well enough to get them an apartment, transportation/commute costs, food on the table and basic necessities, plus often enough left over to even send money back to their home country. And that's WITHOUT all the benefit of many of the numerous subsidies and aid programs that US-citizen DC residents can get (which they as non-citizens cannot get many of).

Yet we have folks who live right here who somehow can't manage to find a job.

Very remarkable indeed.

In that light, the "want" you mention underlined above is a highly subjective and extremely relative term. Seems apparent that they don't "want" it anywhere near as badly as many other folks do.

Gee, I guess there is no excuse for being unemployed. So if anyone who wants a job can get one, why have the Republicans ceaselessly hammered Obama on jobs?

You can't have it both ways.

Complain all you like about R vs D (and I could care less either way) but the complaints still don't explain the disparities and why it is that a poor person from another country with minimal job skills can manage to come here and find gainful employment yet our own poor can't.

[Anonymous]

Complain all you like about R vs D (and I could care less either way) but the complaints still don't explain the disparities and why it is that a poor person from another country with minimal job skills can manage to come here and find gainful employment yet our own poor can't.

We are incentivizing people not to work.

[Anonymous]

^^ these are lifetime democrats that are on the plantation. The immigrants will pass them by and have families that thrive since they live a conservative and Christian lifestyle.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I find it incredibly remarkable that poor people can travel over 3,000 miles from places like Honduras or El Salvador and find work here, managing with little more than the shirt on their backs.

And when they arrive here, they are finding gainful employment - we're not talking migrant workers here - we're talking regular jobs in construction, in restaurants, et cetera - even though they may have less than an 8th grade education and can barely speak English, if at all.

Jobs which pay well enough to get them an apartment, transportation/commute costs, food on the table and basic necessities, plus often enough left over to even send money back to their home country. And that's WITHOUT all the benefit of many of the numerous subsidies and aid programs that US-citizen DC residents can get (which they as non-citizens cannot get many of).

Yet we have folks who live right here who somehow can't manage to find a job.

Very remarkable indeed.

In that light, the "want" you mention underlined above is a highly subjective and extremely relative term. Seems apparent that they don't "want" it anywhere near as badly as many other folks do.

Gee, I guess there is no excuse for being unemployed. So if anyone who wants a job can get one, why have the Republicans ceaselessly hammered Obama on jobs?

You can't have it both ways.

Complain all you like about R vs D (and I could care less either way) but the complaints still don't explain the disparities and why it is that a poor person from another country with minimal job skills can manage to come here and find gainful employment yet our own poor can't.

The unemployment rate among poor immigrants is also very high. Are you surprised?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Seriously! Our whole govt is corrupt and a few people post back and forth here to make it seem this trivial matter is urgent, of as utmost importance. Our country has been hijacked. We are being held hostage by the bankers and elitists of both parties! Our men and women are being sacrificed to support the insatiable appetite for war of the evil fux who have wormed their way in power. Either these posters here are on the payroll of this evil empire trying their best to divert our attention to their evil deeds while dividing us true Americans or they have been brainwashed and need to be deprogrammed!

Who says it's an either/or thing? There's a whole lot about this country that's screwed up. Focusing solely on bankers or the military industrial complex isn't going to solve all of the problems, we need to deal with ALL of them. We can't sit around and wait for one to be fixed before starting on another.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I find it incredibly remarkable that poor people can travel over 3,000 miles from places like Honduras or El Salvador and find work here, managing with little more than the shirt on their backs.

And when they arrive here, they are finding gainful employment - we're not talking migrant workers here - we're talking regular jobs in construction, in restaurants, et cetera - even though they may have less than an 8th grade education and can barely speak English, if at all.

Jobs which pay well enough to get them an apartment, transportation/commute costs, food on the table and basic necessities, plus often enough left over to even send money back to their home country. And that's WITHOUT all the benefit of many of the numerous subsidies and aid programs that US-citizen DC residents can get (which they as non-citizens cannot get many of).

Yet we have folks who live right here who somehow can't manage to find a job.

Very remarkable indeed.

In that light, the "want" you mention underlined above is a highly subjective and extremely relative term. Seems apparent that they don't "want" it anywhere near as badly as many other folks do.

Gee, I guess there is no excuse for being unemployed. So if anyone who wants a job can get one, why have the Republicans ceaselessly hammered Obama on jobs?

You can't have it both ways.

Complain all you like about R vs D (and I could care less either way) but the complaints still don't explain the disparities and why it is that a poor person from another country with minimal job skills can manage to come here and find gainful employment yet our own poor can't.

The unemployment rate among poor immigrants is also very high. Are you surprised?

More typically that's a function of being temporarily between jobs, as opposed to long-term unemployment. It's generally not workable for immigrants to be unemployed for long because they don't have advantage of most of the supports and benefits that legal citizens do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I find it incredibly remarkable that poor people can travel over 3,000 miles from places like Honduras or El Salvador and find work here, managing with little more than the shirt on their backs.

And when they arrive here, they are finding gainful employment - we're not talking migrant workers here - we're talking regular jobs in construction, in restaurants, et cetera - even though they may have less than an 8th grade education and can barely speak English, if at all.

Jobs which pay well enough to get them an apartment, transportation/commute costs, food on the table and basic necessities, plus often enough left over to even send money back to their home country. And that's WITHOUT all the benefit of many of the numerous subsidies and aid programs that US-citizen DC residents can get (which they as non-citizens cannot get many of).

Yet we have folks who live right here who somehow can't manage to find a job.

Very remarkable indeed.

In that light, the "want" you mention underlined above is a highly subjective and extremely relative term. Seems apparent that they don't "want" it anywhere near as badly as many other folks do.

Gee, I guess there is no excuse for being unemployed. So if anyone who wants a job can get one, why have the Republicans ceaselessly hammered Obama on jobs?

You can't have it both ways.

Complain all you like about R vs D (and I could care less either way) but the complaints still don't explain the disparities and why it is that a poor person from another country with minimal job skills can manage to come here and find gainful employment yet our own poor can't.

The unemployment rate among poor immigrants is also very high. Are you surprised?

More typically that's a function of being temporarily between jobs, as opposed to long-term unemployment. It's generally not workable for immigrants to be unemployed for long because they don't have advantage of most of the supports and benefits that legal citizens do.

First of all, thank you once and for all for demonstrating that "immigrant" means "illegal" in the mind of a conservative.

Second, immigrants do suffer from unemployment.

And third, I find it so funny that these same people you call "takers" and "drain on society" on the immigrant threads are now the very virtue of the American work ethic when you want to disparage inner city black people. They are thrilled to have you consider them only second from the bottom of the barrel.