What’s stopping you from trying a GLP / meds?

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The cost. Ugh.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m in healthcare and I keep up with the latest research on this. The fact is, we don’t know what all the long term impacts are at this point. Newer studies are now showing that there are potential serious adverse effects on the kidneys and pancreas- you don’t want to mess with that. There’s a reason that doctors don’t want people going on this to lose vanity weight.

"in healthcare" - are you a doctor?

Can you cite the studies?

I assume a lot of people here are very smart - do you really believe all of this stuff that "people say" about the drugs or are you all getting this information from doctors and peer reviewed studies? Just stop stop stop with the misinformation. People want so badly for the negative stuff to be true.

Anyone can say they're in healthcare. That person could work data processing for a payment system and work in healthcare.

Definitely not in data processing, lol. I have to stay on top of all the research because I work directly with patients. No one is spreading any misinformation, everyone has access to google and medical journals (I just subscribe to a lot and get them directly to my email). I can copy and paste articles, which is a waste of my time to gather all this information for internet strangers when you can easily find it for yourself.

Of course there are adverse reactions and side effects… that is pretty much any medication. Here’s what’s being discussed right now for GLP’s:

Risk for thyroid C cell tumors
Gastroparesis (which can be irreversible and trust me, you don’t want this).
Gallbladder issues.

And by the way, I never told anyone not to take them. You people get so oddly defensive about your life choices. I said doctors are not keen to prescribe these for vanity reasons and there is a good reason for that.

Here’s another Medscape article written by a (gasp) doctor and not someone working at a data center:
https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/1003255

DP. Adding mention of Washington Post article today about another possible side effect: malaise/less enjoyment from activities. I will note it also suggests a lower dose may improve/eliminate that effect....but it's still an effect that isn't being focused on and may well be being unreported/unidentified as attached to the medication/overlooked because of the other effects of the weight loss.
Point is: we still don't know everything and individuals' situations are different. So why don't I take a GLP? Because I don't believe the trade-off of potential side effects/unknowns is worth it for me yet.

Yes I had that. I think a lot of obese people become obese because they intensely love food and get a lot of enjoyment out of that. Once you take the food away, you do have to replace that interest with something else.

Something I struggled with, even on a very low dose, is cooking. No meals seem interesting to me and I have trouble coming up with ideas for things to eat. Whereas before I'd think "I'm going to make tacos tonight because I want tacos." Now I think about making tacos, but they don't sound too appealing. And making intricate recipes when I'm not even that hungry is hard.

I think that's a good point, but why must you enjoy cooking? Why is that essential? The thin their whole lives women I know never cooked much even with kids and never cared about food. My mil is one of them, and dh grew up on takeout and bagged salad. Am I saying that all moms should do that all the time? No, but it's almost like by being sweet caretakers who want to make meals good and wonderful for their families, women are punishing themselves into being overweight. And some will say why do you have to eat a lot, moderate...That is not how some of us are wired naturally.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m in healthcare and I keep up with the latest research on this. The fact is, we don’t know what all the long term impacts are at this point. Newer studies are now showing that there are potential serious adverse effects on the kidneys and pancreas- you don’t want to mess with that. There’s a reason that doctors don’t want people going on this to lose vanity weight.

"in healthcare" - are you a doctor?

Can you cite the studies?

I assume a lot of people here are very smart - do you really believe all of this stuff that "people say" about the drugs or are you all getting this information from doctors and peer reviewed studies? Just stop stop stop with the misinformation. People want so badly for the negative stuff to be true.

Anyone can say they're in healthcare. That person could work data processing for a payment system and work in healthcare.

Definitely not in data processing, lol. I have to stay on top of all the research because I work directly with patients. No one is spreading any misinformation, everyone has access to google and medical journals (I just subscribe to a lot and get them directly to my email). I can copy and paste articles, which is a waste of my time to gather all this information for internet strangers when you can easily find it for yourself.

Of course there are adverse reactions and side effects… that is pretty much any medication. Here’s what’s being discussed right now for GLP’s:

Risk for thyroid C cell tumors
Gastroparesis (which can be irreversible and trust me, you don’t want this).
Gallbladder issues.

And by the way, I never told anyone not to take them. You people get so oddly defensive about your life choices. I said doctors are not keen to prescribe these for vanity reasons and there is a good reason for that.

Here’s another Medscape article written by a (gasp) doctor and not someone working at a data center:
https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/1003255

DP. Adding mention of Washington Post article today about another possible side effect: malaise/less enjoyment from activities. I will note it also suggests a lower dose may improve/eliminate that effect....but it's still an effect that isn't being focused on and may well be being unreported/unidentified as attached to the medication/overlooked because of the other effects of the weight loss.
Point is: we still don't know everything and individuals' situations are different. So why don't I take a GLP? Because I don't believe the trade-off of potential side effects/unknowns is worth it for me yet.

Yes I had that. I think a lot of obese people become obese because they intensely love food and get a lot of enjoyment out of that. Once you take the food away, you do have to replace that interest with something else.

Something I struggled with, even on a very low dose, is cooking. No meals seem interesting to me and I have trouble coming up with ideas for things to eat. Whereas before I'd think "I'm going to make tacos tonight because I want tacos." Now I think about making tacos, but they don't sound too appealing. And making intricate recipes when I'm not even that hungry is hard.

I think that's a good point, but why must you enjoy cooking? Why is that essential? The thin their whole lives women I know never cooked much even with kids and never cared about food. My mil is one of them, and dh grew up on takeout and bagged salad. Am I saying that all moms should do that all the time? No, but it's almost like by being sweet caretakers who want to make meals good and wonderful for their families, women are punishing themselves into being overweight. And some will say why do you have to eat a lot, moderate...That is not how some of us are wired naturally.

Sorry maybe I should have written more. I'm struggling to come up with dinner ideas for my family and to cook for them. I just need to get better about meal planning. Previously, I just cooked what I was interested in/craving that night. I also don't want to cook elaborate things because, why bother? My kids have been thinking our meals are a bit boring recently.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the talk of less enjoyment misses the fact that when you are overweight and feel like crap about yourself, you're not enjoying life either. "Ozempic personality"seems like a gross clickbait term to yet again stigmatize people around weight, as if now congrats, society won't judge you for being fat anymore, but your personality sure does suck!

One reason why glps work to stop overeating is because it diminishes the so called "food noise." This noise is also at work when you want to drink alcohol, have sex, basically the noise is a motivator of desire and enjoyment. Glps quiet the noise, resulting in anhedonia in many people. Anhedonia can lead to depression. At least you're thin.

Oh good grief! None of this is true whatsoever. Food noise has nothing to do with libido or ability to enjoy things in life, and you're obviously just trolling.

Many obese people are constantly hungry, are constantly depriving themselves and on diets, are working out a lot, and then have to deal with feeling like failures when the scale doesn't budge. We have to feel like pathetic slobs all of the time, even though we're often working twice as hard as the rest of you. Then, if we push ourselves much at the gym or hiking or whatever, we get sore knees or have other significant pain. If we try to do something fun, we have to worry about the knees crapping out mid hike or whatever. Many hobbies are less fun due to the extra weight. Being obese really sucks. Going from being obese to being a normal weight improves one's quality of life tremendously. Reducing food noise is just that and nothing more. Slowing the emptying of the stomach makes you feel more sated and less hungry. It is not mood altering.

Sheesh.

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Anonymous wrote:I think the talk of less enjoyment misses the fact that when you are overweight and feel like crap about yourself, you're not enjoying life either. "Ozempic personality"seems like a gross clickbait term to yet again stigmatize people around weight, as if now congrats, society won't judge you for being fat anymore, but your personality sure does suck!

One reason why glps work to stop overeating is because it diminishes the so called "food noise." This noise is also at work when you want to drink alcohol, have sex, basically the noise is a motivator of desire and enjoyment. Glps quiet the noise, resulting in anhedonia in many people. Anhedonia can lead to depression. At least you're thin.

This is completely false. My lust for life is like 10x what it was when I was obese. You are making this up about some sort of umbrella "noise" that is all joy. Just stop.

One thing you are right about - I want to drink less alcohol now. That's a bad thing? But all of the rest of it - sex, desire, enjoyment - I'm all good thanks!

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Anonymous wrote:I’m in healthcare and I keep up with the latest research on this. The fact is, we don’t know what all the long term impacts are at this point. Newer studies are now showing that there are potential serious adverse effects on the kidneys and pancreas- you don’t want to mess with that. There’s a reason that doctors don’t want people going on this to lose vanity weight.

"in healthcare" - are you a doctor?

Can you cite the studies?

I assume a lot of people here are very smart - do you really believe all of this stuff that "people say" about the drugs or are you all getting this information from doctors and peer reviewed studies? Just stop stop stop with the misinformation. People want so badly for the negative stuff to be true.

Anyone can say they're in healthcare. That person could work data processing for a payment system and work in healthcare.

Definitely not in data processing, lol. I have to stay on top of all the research because I work directly with patients. No one is spreading any misinformation, everyone has access to google and medical journals (I just subscribe to a lot and get them directly to my email). I can copy and paste articles, which is a waste of my time to gather all this information for internet strangers when you can easily find it for yourself.

Of course there are adverse reactions and side effects… that is pretty much any medication. Here’s what’s being discussed right now for GLP’s:

Risk for thyroid C cell tumors
Gastroparesis (which can be irreversible and trust me, you don’t want this).
Gallbladder issues.

And by the way, I never told anyone not to take them. You people get so oddly defensive about your life choices. I said doctors are not keen to prescribe these for vanity reasons and there is a good reason for that.

Here’s another Medscape article written by a (gasp) doctor and not someone working at a data center:
https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/1003255

DP. Adding mention of Washington Post article today about another possible side effect: malaise/less enjoyment from activities. I will note it also suggests a lower dose may improve/eliminate that effect....but it's still an effect that isn't being focused on and may well be being unreported/unidentified as attached to the medication/overlooked because of the other effects of the weight loss.
Point is: we still don't know everything and individuals' situations are different. So why don't I take a GLP? Because I don't believe the trade-off of potential side effects/unknowns is worth it for me yet.

I have been on the meds for several years, know several others who are and have spent a lot of time engaging with others online etc. and that is the first time I have ever heard of that side effect. Seriously. I don't doubt the people interviewed but look deeply into any drug that is taken widely and you can find unusual side effects in a small group of people. I hate to criticize the Post right now but "Ozempic personality" is such clickbait! Come on.

This medicine has changed so many lives for the better, including mine. People come with their pitchforks and negativity but I would encourage you to talk to your doctor, not be influenced by all of this speculation on chat boards from people who want so badly to emphasize the negatives. I am not trying to be defensive -- I just have actual real life experience with the drugs and know a lot of other people who do, and I know that the (real) benefits far outweigh the side effects for most people who take it.

For example, did you take the COVID vaccine? That was new and not totally studied - but the benefits outweighed the potential risks, and we trusted our doctors. It's different, obviously, but these drugs are saving lives just like those did.

"Just talk to your doctor" is not adequate advice. Depending on the type of specialty, their age and their curiosity level, some get the "latest" research straight from their drug rep. You may know the situation for yourself and your friends, but you do not know "for most people who take it."

OK so....don't talk to your doctor and just decide for yourself based on chats on the internet then? OK RFK Jr, sounds good.

(The real answer here is to find a doctor you trust, beyond that I am not sure what to say.)

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Anonymous wrote:I’m in healthcare and I keep up with the latest research on this. The fact is, we don’t know what all the long term impacts are at this point. Newer studies are now showing that there are potential serious adverse effects on the kidneys and pancreas- you don’t want to mess with that. There’s a reason that doctors don’t want people going on this to lose vanity weight.

"in healthcare" - are you a doctor?

Can you cite the studies?

I assume a lot of people here are very smart - do you really believe all of this stuff that "people say" about the drugs or are you all getting this information from doctors and peer reviewed studies? Just stop stop stop with the misinformation. People want so badly for the negative stuff to be true.

Anyone can say they're in healthcare. That person could work data processing for a payment system and work in healthcare.

Definitely not in data processing, lol. I have to stay on top of all the research because I work directly with patients. No one is spreading any misinformation, everyone has access to google and medical journals (I just subscribe to a lot and get them directly to my email). I can copy and paste articles, which is a waste of my time to gather all this information for internet strangers when you can easily find it for yourself.

Of course there are adverse reactions and side effects… that is pretty much any medication. Here’s what’s being discussed right now for GLP’s:

Risk for thyroid C cell tumors
Gastroparesis (which can be irreversible and trust me, you don’t want this).
Gallbladder issues.

And by the way, I never told anyone not to take them. You people get so oddly defensive about your life choices. I said doctors are not keen to prescribe these for vanity reasons and there is a good reason for that.

Here’s another Medscape article written by a (gasp) doctor and not someone working at a data center:
https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/1003255

You’re oddly cagey about the area of healthcare you work in. Do you work for or with the insurance industry?

[Anonymous]

The flat bony ass I will get

[Anonymous]

I tried and I got intense pain in my kidneys and flareup of inflammation. Trulicity.

I gave it up in fear.

[Anonymous]

I’m one of those people who could lose 15 pounds. I’m not obese and I don’t have other health problems so I would probably have to pay out of pocket.

That’s one issue.

Paying for 3 or 6 months or even a year isn’t a problem, but from what I understand, this has to be maintained forever. When you stop taking it, you regain the weight. Committing to a lifetime on this drug feels ominous.

Also, I don’t like shots.

I would rather just go on a diet than get shots for a few months, let alone forever.

I also worry about the long term side effects, but that’s more tangential to the other concerns. Again, I’m only 15 pounds overweight so my metabolism isn’t horrible. I would definitely feel differently if I was morbidly obese. But to inject myself with ozempic feels like tempting fate. What if I take it for a year, lose the weight, then gain 20 pounds (or more!) as soon as I quit?

It’s just not worth it.

[Anonymous]

To be clear, you don't have to take it forever - I think for those of you who might just take it to lose 15lbs you could probably just wean off it and maintain to keep the weight off.

That is because - again - this drug isn't for you. It is for people who are obese and have a lot more to lose, and obesity is a disease that the drugs treat but do not cure. (Think blood pressure meds, for example.)

That said, I get why people would want to use it to lose 15 pounds. And I think if you haven't struggled with weight and/or food noise your whole life, you would have an easier time weaning off of it and keeping the weight off. But I could be wrong about that!

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To be clear, you don't have to take it forever - I think for those of you who might just take it to lose 15lbs you could probably just wean off it and maintain to keep the weight off.

That is because - again - this drug isn't for you. It is for people who are obese and have a lot more to lose, and obesity is a disease that the drugs treat but do not cure. (Think blood pressure meds, for example.)

That said, I get why people would want to use it to lose 15 pounds. And I think if you haven't struggled with weight and/or food noise your whole life, you would have an easier time weaning off of it and keeping the weight off. But I could be wrong about that!

I took it to lose 25lbs. I was overweight, not obese but gaining and bloating like a balloon as I got older despite pretty good nutrition and being active. My mom has had huge health issues due to type 2 diabetes and weight: I was not willing to go down that path. I think I will stay on it forever. For me the issue is food noise, weight thoughts, having to restrict hard and obsess to lose 2lbs and regain them, constantly feeling bad and guilty about my body...It has freed up so much mental space that I've been able to achieve many goals in life not weight related at all, all from not having to think so much to just not get obese. Based on prior experience going off of it, I don't believe I can do all this if off this drug. Some people need various meds for various issues and stay on them for life, and I think this is me with this. I'm not on a high dose and my cost is reasonable and a small price to pay for all the benefits and the gift of physical health and a clear, happier mind.

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To be clear, you don't have to take it forever - I think for those of you who might just take it to lose 15lbs you could probably just wean off it and maintain to keep the weight off.

That is because - again - this drug isn't for you. It is for people who are obese and have a lot more to lose, and obesity is a disease that the drugs treat but do not cure. (Think blood pressure meds, for example.)

That said, I get why people would want to use it to lose 15 pounds. And I think if you haven't struggled with weight and/or food noise your whole life, you would have an easier time weaning off of it and keeping the weight off. But I could be wrong about that!

I took it to lose 25lbs. I was overweight, not obese but gaining and bloating like a balloon as I got older despite pretty good nutrition and being active. My mom has had huge health issues due to type 2 diabetes and weight: I was not willing to go down that path. I think I will stay on it forever. For me the issue is food noise, weight thoughts, having to restrict hard and obsess to lose 2lbs and regain them, constantly feeling bad and guilty about my body...It has freed up so much mental space that I've been able to achieve many goals in life not weight related at all, all from not having to think so much to just not get obese. Based on prior experience going off of it, I don't believe I can do all this if off this drug. Some people need various meds for various issues and stay on them for life, and I think this is me with this. I'm not on a high dose and my cost is reasonable and a small price to pay for all the benefits and the gift of physical health and a clear, happier mind.

It's like swapping addictions.

[Anonymous]

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To be clear, you don't have to take it forever - I think for those of you who might just take it to lose 15lbs you could probably just wean off it and maintain to keep the weight off.

That is because - again - this drug isn't for you. It is for people who are obese and have a lot more to lose, and obesity is a disease that the drugs treat but do not cure. (Think blood pressure meds, for example.)

That said, I get why people would want to use it to lose 15 pounds. And I think if you haven't struggled with weight and/or food noise your whole life, you would have an easier time weaning off of it and keeping the weight off. But I could be wrong about that!

I took it to lose 25lbs. I was overweight, not obese but gaining and bloating like a balloon as I got older despite pretty good nutrition and being active. My mom has had huge health issues due to type 2 diabetes and weight: I was not willing to go down that path. I think I will stay on it forever. For me the issue is food noise, weight thoughts, having to restrict hard and obsess to lose 2lbs and regain them, constantly feeling bad and guilty about my body...It has freed up so much mental space that I've been able to achieve many goals in life not weight related at all, all from not having to think so much to just not get obese. Based on prior experience going off of it, I don't believe I can do all this if off this drug. Some people need various meds for various issues and stay on them for life, and I think this is me with this. I'm not on a high dose and my cost is reasonable and a small price to pay for all the benefits and the gift of physical health and a clear, happier mind.

It's like swapping addictions.

Swapping with what addiction?

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Anonymous wrote:
To be clear, you don't have to take it forever - I think for those of you who might just take it to lose 15lbs you could probably just wean off it and maintain to keep the weight off.

That is because - again - this drug isn't for you. It is for people who are obese and have a lot more to lose, and obesity is a disease that the drugs treat but do not cure. (Think blood pressure meds, for example.)

That said, I get why people would want to use it to lose 15 pounds. And I think if you haven't struggled with weight and/or food noise your whole life, you would have an easier time weaning off of it and keeping the weight off. But I could be wrong about that!

I took it to lose 25lbs. I was overweight, not obese but gaining and bloating like a balloon as I got older despite pretty good nutrition and being active. My mom has had huge health issues due to type 2 diabetes and weight: I was not willing to go down that path. I think I will stay on it forever. For me the issue is food noise, weight thoughts, having to restrict hard and obsess to lose 2lbs and regain them, constantly feeling bad and guilty about my body...It has freed up so much mental space that I've been able to achieve many goals in life not weight related at all, all from not having to think so much to just not get obese. Based on prior experience going off of it, I don't believe I can do all this if off this drug. Some people need various meds for various issues and stay on them for life, and I think this is me with this. I'm not on a high dose and my cost is reasonable and a small price to pay for all the benefits and the gift of physical health and a clear, happier mind.

It's like swapping addictions.

Swapping with what addiction?

Obviously, you were addicted to food and now you’re addicted to the drug. Neither seems particularly healthy.