Taylor Meeting at Wootton

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Oh no, some kids will have to take a bus to school. Such torture

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Anonymous wrote:Oh good, the "it's only 12 minutes" people are here. Love it. Please, tell me more about the school bus system you have apparently never ridden. Your kid is not getting picked up last and dropped off at Crown. They are stop four of thirty-seven at 6:45am. But sure. Twelve minutes. Totally.

Now that we've handled that, let's talk about what's actually happening here because some of you are out here defending a process that wouldn't pass a middle school civics test.

MCPS added 16,000 housing units between 2019 and 2024. Enrollment dropped by 6,000 students. That is their own data. They are using declining enrollment to justify moving Wootton. By that exact same logic, Crown doesn't need Wootton's students either. The district built a school for a growth wave that never came, and now Wootton's community gets to pay for that miscalculation with their kids' commutes. Cool system.

And my personal favorite: the Wootton building is apparently SO dangerous, SO deteriorated, SO uninhabitable that students must be relocated immediately to a brand new facility. Great. Totally logical. So why is the very next sentence of the plan "and then we'll put other people's children in that same building as a holding school"? WHICH IS IT? Is it a condemned hazard or a perfectly serviceable facility? Because it cannot be both, and nobody in the pro-move crowd has ever once attempted to explain this contradiction.

Option H... the actual plan on the table, was introduced in December. The board votes March 26. Ninety days. Permanent decision. Thousands of families. A cluster that is over one-third Asian American with documented inadequate multilingual outreach. The community asked for an independent cost comparison of renovation versus relocation. They still don't have one. The community asked for more time. They were told to be grateful for a new building.

The argument that this is just entitled homeowners protecting property values might land better if the district had done a single thing transparently. They didn't. They rushed a process, buried a conflict of interest between needing a holding school and needing to justify Crown, and then acted surprised when thousands of people showed up furious.

You don't have to oppose the move to recognize this process was a dumpster fire. But apparently nuance is also on the renovation delay list.

I'm so sick of this argument- its so misleading. You guys REALLY don't understand how this whole Wootton holding school thing is supposed to work huh?

They do in fact need to do work to make it safe for the other kids. Guess what, there's no money for that right now. There is zero funding and zero timeline to turn Wootton into the holding school. But they at least have a building they can use if and when the funding and opportunity arise. Not once has MCPS provided any data on when and how Wootton becomes a holding school. My guess? 5-10 years from now.

You should get on boarddocs because lots of the other information you want has been released in the board work sessions.

So Magruder just sits and rots for 5-10 years right? The alternative is Magruder gets to and wants to (rightfully so) go straight to Crown.

Agree to the fullest and rightfully!!

Magruder could go and sit there for 5-10 years yeah, but there wouldn't be funding to repair Magruder before then. Do they want to relocate that far away for ten years? I also don't know for sure they can get approval to use it as a holding school without a project actually happening.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh good, the "it's only 12 minutes" people are here. Love it. Please, tell me more about the school bus system you have apparently never ridden. Your kid is not getting picked up last and dropped off at Crown. They are stop four of thirty-seven at 6:45am. But sure. Twelve minutes. Totally.

Now that we've handled that, let's talk about what's actually happening here because some of you are out here defending a process that wouldn't pass a middle school civics test.

MCPS added 16,000 housing units between 2019 and 2024. Enrollment dropped by 6,000 students. That is their own data. They are using declining enrollment to justify moving Wootton. By that exact same logic, Crown doesn't need Wootton's students either. The district built a school for a growth wave that never came, and now Wootton's community gets to pay for that miscalculation with their kids' commutes. Cool system.

And my personal favorite: the Wootton building is apparently SO dangerous, SO deteriorated, SO uninhabitable that students must be relocated immediately to a brand new facility. Great. Totally logical. So why is the very next sentence of the plan "and then we'll put other people's children in that same building as a holding school"? WHICH IS IT? Is it a condemned hazard or a perfectly serviceable facility? Because it cannot be both, and nobody in the pro-move crowd has ever once attempted to explain this contradiction.

Option H... the actual plan on the table, was introduced in December. The board votes March 26. Ninety days. Permanent decision. Thousands of families. A cluster that is over one-third Asian American with documented inadequate multilingual outreach. The community asked for an independent cost comparison of renovation versus relocation. They still don't have one. The community asked for more time. They were told to be grateful for a new building.

The argument that this is just entitled homeowners protecting property values might land better if the district had done a single thing transparently. They didn't. They rushed a process, buried a conflict of interest between needing a holding school and needing to justify Crown, and then acted surprised when thousands of people showed up furious.

You don't have to oppose the move to recognize this process was a dumpster fire. But apparently nuance is also on the renovation delay list.

For the next time or iteration you post this, it might "land better" without the "sure", "cool", "totally" etc additions that weaken the whole tone of this and probably matches how you talk. Also, be aware that Wootton is certainly moving to Crown so all of this is sour grapes. But you knew that (another favorite line of people who talk like you). Wonder how long this revolving door of complaints will last. My guess is until it posts its first GPA or AP score list and everyone realizes everything is ok. Like totally.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh good, the "it's only 12 minutes" people are here. Love it. Please, tell me more about the school bus system you have apparently never ridden. Your kid is not getting picked up last and dropped off at Crown. They are stop four of thirty-seven at 6:45am. But sure. Twelve minutes. Totally.

Now that we've handled that, let's talk about what's actually happening here because some of you are out here defending a process that wouldn't pass a middle school civics test.

MCPS added 16,000 housing units between 2019 and 2024. Enrollment dropped by 6,000 students. That is their own data. They are using declining enrollment to justify moving Wootton. By that exact same logic, Crown doesn't need Wootton's students either. The district built a school for a growth wave that never came, and now Wootton's community gets to pay for that miscalculation with their kids' commutes. Cool system.

And my personal favorite: the Wootton building is apparently SO dangerous, SO deteriorated, SO uninhabitable that students must be relocated immediately to a brand new facility. Great. Totally logical. So why is the very next sentence of the plan "and then we'll put other people's children in that same building as a holding school"? WHICH IS IT? Is it a condemned hazard or a perfectly serviceable facility? Because it cannot be both, and nobody in the pro-move crowd has ever once attempted to explain this contradiction.

Option H... the actual plan on the table, was introduced in December. The board votes March 26. Ninety days. Permanent decision. Thousands of families. A cluster that is over one-third Asian American with documented inadequate multilingual outreach. The community asked for an independent cost comparison of renovation versus relocation. They still don't have one. The community asked for more time. They were told to be grateful for a new building.

The argument that this is just entitled homeowners protecting property values might land better if the district had done a single thing transparently. They didn't. They rushed a process, buried a conflict of interest between needing a holding school and needing to justify Crown, and then acted surprised when thousands of people showed up furious.

You don't have to oppose the move to recognize this process was a dumpster fire. But apparently nuance is also on the renovation delay list.

I'm so sick of this argument- its so misleading. You guys REALLY don't understand how this whole Wootton holding school thing is supposed to work huh?

They do in fact need to do work to make it safe for the other kids. Guess what, there's no money for that right now. There is zero funding and zero timeline to turn Wootton into the holding school. But they at least have a building they can use if and when the funding and opportunity arise. Not once has MCPS provided any data on when and how Wootton becomes a holding school. My guess? 5-10 years from now.

You should get on boarddocs because lots of the other information you want has been released in the board work sessions.

So Magruder just sits and rots for 5-10 years right? The alternative is Magruder gets to and wants to (rightfully so) go straight to Crown.

Agree to the fullest and rightfully!!

Magruder could go and sit there for 5-10 years yeah, but there wouldn't be funding to repair Magruder before then. Do they want to relocate that far away for ten years? I also don't know for sure they can get approval to use it as a holding school without a project actually happening.

Literally yes. Speak with Magruder advocates. They rather go to Crown for X years than stay where they are for the same amount of years or go to Wootton for the same amount of years.

Your last part is exactly why Magruder has such a huge stake in this. Making Crown into a holding school is exactly what’s going to make sure Magruder and others won’t be ignore. There will finally be some urgency to getting Magruder on CIP!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh no, some kids will have to take a bus to school. Such torture

Just more traffic for Montgomery County. Adding to that will be the 250 new school buses in the Wootton cluster on the road every morning.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Oh good, the "it's only 12 minutes" people are here. Love it. Please, tell me more about the school bus system you have apparently never ridden. Your kid is not getting picked up last and dropped off at Crown. They are stop four of thirty-seven at 6:45am. But sure. Twelve minutes. Totally.

Now that we've handled that, let's talk about what's actually happening here because some of you are out here defending a process that wouldn't pass a middle school civics test.

MCPS added 16,000 housing units between 2019 and 2024. Enrollment dropped by 6,000 students. That is their own data. They are using declining enrollment to justify moving Wootton. By that exact same logic, Crown doesn't need Wootton's students either. The district built a school for a growth wave that never came, and now Wootton's community gets to pay for that miscalculation with their kids' commutes. Cool system.

And my personal favorite: the Wootton building is apparently SO dangerous, SO deteriorated, SO uninhabitable that students must be relocated immediately to a brand new facility. Great. Totally logical. So why is the very next sentence of the plan "and then we'll put other people's children in that same building as a holding school"? WHICH IS IT? Is it a condemned hazard or a perfectly serviceable facility? Because it cannot be both, and nobody in the pro-move crowd has ever once attempted to explain this contradiction.

Option H... the actual plan on the table, was introduced in December. The board votes March 26. Ninety days. Permanent decision. Thousands of families. A cluster that is over one-third Asian American with documented inadequate multilingual outreach. The community asked for an independent cost comparison of renovation versus relocation. They still don't have one. The community asked for more time. They were told to be grateful for a new building.

The argument that this is just entitled homeowners protecting property values might land better if the district had done a single thing transparently. They didn't. They rushed a process, buried a conflict of interest between needing a holding school and needing to justify Crown, and then acted surprised when thousands of people showed up furious.

You don't have to oppose the move to recognize this process was a dumpster fire. But apparently nuance is also on the renovation delay list.

I'm so sick of this argument- its so misleading. You guys REALLY don't understand how this whole Wootton holding school thing is supposed to work huh?

They do in fact need to do work to make it safe for the other kids. Guess what, there's no money for that right now. There is zero funding and zero timeline to turn Wootton into the holding school. But they at least have a building they can use if and when the funding and opportunity arise. Not once has MCPS provided any data on when and how Wootton becomes a holding school. My guess? 5-10 years from now.

You should get on boarddocs because lots of the other information you want has been released in the board work sessions.

So Magruder just sits and rots for 5-10 years right? The alternative is Magruder gets to and wants to (rightfully so) go straight to Crown.

Agree to the fullest and rightfully!!

Magruder could go and sit there for 5-10 years yeah, but there wouldn't be funding to repair Magruder before then. Do they want to relocate that far away for ten years? I also don't know for sure they can get approval to use it as a holding school without a project actually happening.

This is good. Do they WANT to relocate? Suddenly we care about what Magruder wants? Yet we didn't care about what Wootton wants? 5-10 years? Maybe. Flip a coin. Who cares. Someone loses out, but give the new school to the one that needs it more vs caring about who wants it. Use data to determine that.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh no, some kids will have to take a bus to school. Such torture

Just more traffic for Montgomery County. Adding to that will be the 250 new school buses in the Wootton cluster on the road every morning.

Don’t worry, MCPS already got all the.m extra busses needed. O wait wasn’t that bus contract illegal? Didn’t two MCPS also get arrested for embezzlement of $300,000? Wasn’t there were significant issues in procurement? And the contract had no delay penalties? And MCPS was found to have significantly wasted taxpayers money by the inspector general?

Can’t be! Surely MCPS never does anything illegal!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Oh good, the "it's only 12 minutes" people are here. Love it. Please, tell me more about the school bus system you have apparently never ridden. Your kid is not getting picked up last and dropped off at Crown. They are stop four of thirty-seven at 6:45am. But sure. Twelve minutes. Totally.

Now that we've handled that, let's talk about what's actually happening here because some of you are out here defending a process that wouldn't pass a middle school civics test.

MCPS added 16,000 housing units between 2019 and 2024. Enrollment dropped by 6,000 students. That is their own data. They are using declining enrollment to justify moving Wootton. By that exact same logic, Crown doesn't need Wootton's students either. The district built a school for a growth wave that never came, and now Wootton's community gets to pay for that miscalculation with their kids' commutes. Cool system.

And my personal favorite: the Wootton building is apparently SO dangerous, SO deteriorated, SO uninhabitable that students must be relocated immediately to a brand new facility. Great. Totally logical. So why is the very next sentence of the plan "and then we'll put other people's children in that same building as a holding school"? WHICH IS IT? Is it a condemned hazard or a perfectly serviceable facility? Because it cannot be both, and nobody in the pro-move crowd has ever once attempted to explain this contradiction.

Option H... the actual plan on the table, was introduced in December. The board votes March 26. Ninety days. Permanent decision. Thousands of families. A cluster that is over one-third Asian American with documented inadequate multilingual outreach. The community asked for an independent cost comparison of renovation versus relocation. They still don't have one. The community asked for more time. They were told to be grateful for a new building.

The argument that this is just entitled homeowners protecting property values might land better if the district had done a single thing transparently. They didn't. They rushed a process, buried a conflict of interest between needing a holding school and needing to justify Crown, and then acted surprised when thousands of people showed up furious.

You don't have to oppose the move to recognize this process was a dumpster fire. But apparently nuance is also on the renovation delay list.

I'm so sick of this argument- its so misleading. You guys REALLY don't understand how this whole Wootton holding school thing is supposed to work huh?

They do in fact need to do work to make it safe for the other kids. Guess what, there's no money for that right now. There is zero funding and zero timeline to turn Wootton into the holding school. But they at least have a building they can use if and when the funding and opportunity arise. Not once has MCPS provided any data on when and how Wootton becomes a holding school. My guess? 5-10 years from now.

You should get on boarddocs because lots of the other information you want has been released in the board work sessions.

So Magruder just sits and rots for 5-10 years right? The alternative is Magruder gets to and wants to (rightfully so) go straight to Crown.

Agree to the fullest and rightfully!!

Magruder could go and sit there for 5-10 years yeah, but there wouldn't be funding to repair Magruder before then. Do they want to relocate that far away for ten years? I also don't know for sure they can get approval to use it as a holding school without a project actually happening.

Literally yes. Speak with Magruder advocates. They rather go to Crown for X years than stay where they are for the same amount of years or go to Wootton for the same amount of years.

Your last part is exactly why Magruder has such a huge stake in this. Making Crown into a holding school is exactly what’s going to make sure Magruder and others won’t be ignore. There will finally be some urgency to getting Magruder on CIP!

I cannot believe Magruder was forgotten in all of this. Say what everyone will - they were ignored. MCPS won't fess up to it and it's now creating yet another mess that doesn't have a happy ending at all. Nice job Dr. Taylor. Magruder folks - I hope you get what you deserve - quality education, quality facility, and an apology.

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Anonymous wrote:What are "parkway people"?

The Wootton people who can walk to the building, who value the ability to walk to school above all else. Including their children’s health.

They are the members of the wootton community who are adamantly against the superintendents recommendation. Many others in the community are for the move to crown.

Maybe we don’t want our children to spend 40 minutes each way on the bus daily because it will negatively impact their health. We are going to be the farthest community from Crown. Our kids will be getting on those buses before 7 am. We bought our tiny townhouse to be able to walk to all 3 schools.

40 minutes? Really? It's not going to take 40 minutes to go 5 miles. You complain about the school, and then you get a new school and don't want it?

It takes an hour to go from Travillah to Wootton now. Someone posted the bus schedule upthread

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Anonymous wrote:Oh good, the "it's only 12 minutes" people are here. Love it. Please, tell me more about the school bus system you have apparently never ridden. Your kid is not getting picked up last and dropped off at Crown. They are stop four of thirty-seven at 6:45am. But sure. Twelve minutes. Totally.

Now that we've handled that, let's talk about what's actually happening here because some of you are out here defending a process that wouldn't pass a middle school civics test.

MCPS added 16,000 housing units between 2019 and 2024. Enrollment dropped by 6,000 students. That is their own data. They are using declining enrollment to justify moving Wootton. By that exact same logic, Crown doesn't need Wootton's students either. The district built a school for a growth wave that never came, and now Wootton's community gets to pay for that miscalculation with their kids' commutes. Cool system.

And my personal favorite: the Wootton building is apparently SO dangerous, SO deteriorated, SO uninhabitable that students must be relocated immediately to a brand new facility. Great. Totally logical. So why is the very next sentence of the plan "and then we'll put other people's children in that same building as a holding school"? WHICH IS IT? Is it a condemned hazard or a perfectly serviceable facility? Because it cannot be both, and nobody in the pro-move crowd has ever once attempted to explain this contradiction.

Option H... the actual plan on the table, was introduced in December. The board votes March 26. Ninety days. Permanent decision. Thousands of families. A cluster that is over one-third Asian American with documented inadequate multilingual outreach. The community asked for an independent cost comparison of renovation versus relocation. They still don't have one. The community asked for more time. They were told to be grateful for a new building.

The argument that this is just entitled homeowners protecting property values might land better if the district had done a single thing transparently. They didn't. They rushed a process, buried a conflict of interest between needing a holding school and needing to justify Crown, and then acted surprised when thousands of people showed up furious.

You don't have to oppose the move to recognize this process was a dumpster fire. But apparently nuance is also on the renovation delay list.

I'm so sick of this argument- its so misleading. You guys REALLY don't understand how this whole Wootton holding school thing is supposed to work huh?

They do in fact need to do work to make it safe for the other kids. Guess what, there's no money for that right now. There is zero funding and zero timeline to turn Wootton into the holding school. But they at least have a building they can use if and when the funding and opportunity arise. Not once has MCPS provided any data on when and how Wootton becomes a holding school. My guess? 5-10 years from now.

You should get on boarddocs because lots of the other information you want has been released in the board work sessions.

So Magruder just sits and rots for 5-10 years right? The alternative is Magruder gets to and wants to (rightfully so) go straight to Crown.

Agree to the fullest and rightfully!!

Magruder could go and sit there for 5-10 years yeah, but there wouldn't be funding to repair Magruder before then. Do they want to relocate that far away for ten years? I also don't know for sure they can get approval to use it as a holding school without a project actually happening.

Literally yes. Speak with Magruder advocates. They rather go to Crown for X years than stay where they are for the same amount of years or go to Wootton for the same amount of years.

Your last part is exactly why Magruder has such a huge stake in this. Making Crown into a holding school is exactly what’s going to make sure Magruder and others won’t be ignore. There will finally be some urgency to getting Magruder on CIP!

I cannot believe Magruder was forgotten in all of this. Say what everyone will - they were ignored. MCPS won't fess up to it and it's now creating yet another mess that doesn't have a happy ending at all. Nice job Dr. Taylor. Magruder folks - I hope you get what you deserve - quality education, quality facility, and an apology.

I hope Magruder sues.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh good, the "it's only 12 minutes" people are here. Love it. Please, tell me more about the school bus system you have apparently never ridden. Your kid is not getting picked up last and dropped off at Crown. They are stop four of thirty-seven at 6:45am. But sure. Twelve minutes. Totally.

Now that we've handled that, let's talk about what's actually happening here because some of you are out here defending a process that wouldn't pass a middle school civics test.

MCPS added 16,000 housing units between 2019 and 2024. Enrollment dropped by 6,000 students. That is their own data. They are using declining enrollment to justify moving Wootton. By that exact same logic, Crown doesn't need Wootton's students either. The district built a school for a growth wave that never came, and now Wootton's community gets to pay for that miscalculation with their kids' commutes. Cool system.

And my personal favorite: the Wootton building is apparently SO dangerous, SO deteriorated, SO uninhabitable that students must be relocated immediately to a brand new facility. Great. Totally logical. So why is the very next sentence of the plan "and then we'll put other people's children in that same building as a holding school"? WHICH IS IT? Is it a condemned hazard or a perfectly serviceable facility? Because it cannot be both, and nobody in the pro-move crowd has ever once attempted to explain this contradiction.

Option H... the actual plan on the table, was introduced in December. The board votes March 26. Ninety days. Permanent decision. Thousands of families. A cluster that is over one-third Asian American with documented inadequate multilingual outreach. The community asked for an independent cost comparison of renovation versus relocation. They still don't have one. The community asked for more time. They were told to be grateful for a new building.

The argument that this is just entitled homeowners protecting property values might land better if the district had done a single thing transparently. They didn't. They rushed a process, buried a conflict of interest between needing a holding school and needing to justify Crown, and then acted surprised when thousands of people showed up furious.

You don't have to oppose the move to recognize this process was a dumpster fire. But apparently nuance is also on the renovation delay list.

I'm so sick of this argument- its so misleading. You guys REALLY don't understand how this whole Wootton holding school thing is supposed to work huh?

They do in fact need to do work to make it safe for the other kids. Guess what, there's no money for that right now. There is zero funding and zero timeline to turn Wootton into the holding school. But they at least have a building they can use if and when the funding and opportunity arise. Not once has MCPS provided any data on when and how Wootton becomes a holding school. My guess? 5-10 years from now.

You should get on boarddocs because lots of the other information you want has been released in the board work sessions.

So Magruder just sits and rots for 5-10 years right? The alternative is Magruder gets to and wants to (rightfully so) go straight to Crown.

Agree to the fullest and rightfully!!

Magruder could go and sit there for 5-10 years yeah, but there wouldn't be funding to repair Magruder before then. Do they want to relocate that far away for ten years? I also don't know for sure they can get approval to use it as a holding school without a project actually happening.

Literally yes. Speak with Magruder advocates. They rather go to Crown for X years than stay where they are for the same amount of years or go to Wootton for the same amount of years.

Your last part is exactly why Magruder has such a huge stake in this. Making Crown into a holding school is exactly what’s going to make sure Magruder and others won’t be ignore. There will finally be some urgency to getting Magruder on CIP!

I cannot believe Magruder was forgotten in all of this. Say what everyone will - they were ignored. MCPS won't fess up to it and it's now creating yet another mess that doesn't have a happy ending at all. Nice job Dr. Taylor. Magruder folks - I hope you get what you deserve - quality education, quality facility, and an apology.

I hope Magruder sues.

On what basis? They haven't gotten their school fixed? Get in line. There are numerous schools with lots of issues and no renovation in sight.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh good, the "it's only 12 minutes" people are here. Love it. Please, tell me more about the school bus system you have apparently never ridden. Your kid is not getting picked up last and dropped off at Crown. They are stop four of thirty-seven at 6:45am. But sure. Twelve minutes. Totally.

Now that we've handled that, let's talk about what's actually happening here because some of you are out here defending a process that wouldn't pass a middle school civics test.

MCPS added 16,000 housing units between 2019 and 2024. Enrollment dropped by 6,000 students. That is their own data. They are using declining enrollment to justify moving Wootton. By that exact same logic, Crown doesn't need Wootton's students either. The district built a school for a growth wave that never came, and now Wootton's community gets to pay for that miscalculation with their kids' commutes. Cool system.

And my personal favorite: the Wootton building is apparently SO dangerous, SO deteriorated, SO uninhabitable that students must be relocated immediately to a brand new facility. Great. Totally logical. So why is the very next sentence of the plan "and then we'll put other people's children in that same building as a holding school"? WHICH IS IT? Is it a condemned hazard or a perfectly serviceable facility? Because it cannot be both, and nobody in the pro-move crowd has ever once attempted to explain this contradiction.

Option H... the actual plan on the table, was introduced in December. The board votes March 26. Ninety days. Permanent decision. Thousands of families. A cluster that is over one-third Asian American with documented inadequate multilingual outreach. The community asked for an independent cost comparison of renovation versus relocation. They still don't have one. The community asked for more time. They were told to be grateful for a new building.

The argument that this is just entitled homeowners protecting property values might land better if the district had done a single thing transparently. They didn't. They rushed a process, buried a conflict of interest between needing a holding school and needing to justify Crown, and then acted surprised when thousands of people showed up furious.

You don't have to oppose the move to recognize this process was a dumpster fire. But apparently nuance is also on the renovation delay list.

I'm so sick of this argument- its so misleading. You guys REALLY don't understand how this whole Wootton holding school thing is supposed to work huh?

They do in fact need to do work to make it safe for the other kids. Guess what, there's no money for that right now. There is zero funding and zero timeline to turn Wootton into the holding school. But they at least have a building they can use if and when the funding and opportunity arise. Not once has MCPS provided any data on when and how Wootton becomes a holding school. My guess? 5-10 years from now.

You should get on boarddocs because lots of the other information you want has been released in the board work sessions.

So Magruder just sits and rots for 5-10 years right? The alternative is Magruder gets to and wants to (rightfully so) go straight to Crown.

Agree to the fullest and rightfully!!

Magruder could go and sit there for 5-10 years yeah, but there wouldn't be funding to repair Magruder before then. Do they want to relocate that far away for ten years? I also don't know for sure they can get approval to use it as a holding school without a project actually happening.

Literally yes. Speak with Magruder advocates. They rather go to Crown for X years than stay where they are for the same amount of years or go to Wootton for the same amount of years.

Your last part is exactly why Magruder has such a huge stake in this. Making Crown into a holding school is exactly what’s going to make sure Magruder and others won’t be ignore. There will finally be some urgency to getting Magruder on CIP!

I cannot believe Magruder was forgotten in all of this. Say what everyone will - they were ignored. MCPS won't fess up to it and it's now creating yet another mess that doesn't have a happy ending at all. Nice job Dr. Taylor. Magruder folks - I hope you get what you deserve - quality education, quality facility, and an apology.

I hope Magruder sues.

On what basis? They haven't gotten their school fixed? Get in line. There are numerous schools with lots of issues and no renovation in sight.

You must be the same person who thinks Wootton has no case.

Maybe leave the suing to actual lawyers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Oh good, the "it's only 12 minutes" people are here. Love it. Please, tell me more about the school bus system you have apparently never ridden. Your kid is not getting picked up last and dropped off at Crown. They are stop four of thirty-seven at 6:45am. But sure. Twelve minutes. Totally.

Now that we've handled that, let's talk about what's actually happening here because some of you are out here defending a process that wouldn't pass a middle school civics test.

MCPS added 16,000 housing units between 2019 and 2024. Enrollment dropped by 6,000 students. That is their own data. They are using declining enrollment to justify moving Wootton. By that exact same logic, Crown doesn't need Wootton's students either. The district built a school for a growth wave that never came, and now Wootton's community gets to pay for that miscalculation with their kids' commutes. Cool system.

And my personal favorite: the Wootton building is apparently SO dangerous, SO deteriorated, SO uninhabitable that students must be relocated immediately to a brand new facility. Great. Totally logical. So why is the very next sentence of the plan "and then we'll put other people's children in that same building as a holding school"? WHICH IS IT? Is it a condemned hazard or a perfectly serviceable facility? Because it cannot be both, and nobody in the pro-move crowd has ever once attempted to explain this contradiction.

Option H... the actual plan on the table, was introduced in December. The board votes March 26. Ninety days. Permanent decision. Thousands of families. A cluster that is over one-third Asian American with documented inadequate multilingual outreach. The community asked for an independent cost comparison of renovation versus relocation. They still don't have one. The community asked for more time. They were told to be grateful for a new building.

The argument that this is just entitled homeowners protecting property values might land better if the district had done a single thing transparently. They didn't. They rushed a process, buried a conflict of interest between needing a holding school and needing to justify Crown, and then acted surprised when thousands of people showed up furious.

You don't have to oppose the move to recognize this process was a dumpster fire. But apparently nuance is also on the renovation delay list.

For the next time or iteration you post this, it might "land better" without the "sure", "cool", "totally" etc additions that weaken the whole tone of this and probably matches how you talk. Also, be aware that Wootton is certainly moving to Crown so all of this is sour grapes. But you knew that (another favorite line of people who talk like you). Wonder how long this revolving door of complaints will last. My guess is until it posts its first GPA or AP score list and everyone realizes everything is ok. Like totally.

Appreciate the writing workshop from someone whose entire counter-argument was "it's happening, get over it." Bold contribution to the discourse.

And you're right, the casual language was imprecise. You know what else is imprecise? Calling a March 26 board vote a foregone conclusion the same week the state board of education received a formal complaint, the IG was asked to investigate, and multiple elected officials publicly called for a pause. But sure, totally settled. Nothing left to litigate here. Move along.

"Sour grapes" is a cute framing if you'd like to keep ignoring what was actually argued. The argument was never "Wootton deserves to stay in a crumbling building forever." It was that 90 days is an indefensible timeline for a permanent decision affecting thousands of families, that the independent cost analysis was requested and never produced, that multilingual outreach was documented as inadequate for a cluster over one-third Asian American, and that the district's own enrollment data directly contradicts its own justifications. None of that inconvenient reality dissolves because a vote is calendared.

The AP score prediction is genuinely my favorite part though. That's the move you make when you've run out of actual responses and need the conversation to stop. "Everyone will be fine eventually" is not a process defense. It's a concession that the process doesn't matter which, ironically, is the entire problem people are upset about.

But I'm sure you'll explain how I talk next.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh good, the "it's only 12 minutes" people are here. Love it. Please, tell me more about the school bus system you have apparently never ridden. Your kid is not getting picked up last and dropped off at Crown. They are stop four of thirty-seven at 6:45am. But sure. Twelve minutes. Totally.

Now that we've handled that, let's talk about what's actually happening here because some of you are out here defending a process that wouldn't pass a middle school civics test.

MCPS added 16,000 housing units between 2019 and 2024. Enrollment dropped by 6,000 students. That is their own data. They are using declining enrollment to justify moving Wootton. By that exact same logic, Crown doesn't need Wootton's students either. The district built a school for a growth wave that never came, and now Wootton's community gets to pay for that miscalculation with their kids' commutes. Cool system.

And my personal favorite: the Wootton building is apparently SO dangerous, SO deteriorated, SO uninhabitable that students must be relocated immediately to a brand new facility. Great. Totally logical. So why is the very next sentence of the plan "and then we'll put other people's children in that same building as a holding school"? WHICH IS IT? Is it a condemned hazard or a perfectly serviceable facility? Because it cannot be both, and nobody in the pro-move crowd has ever once attempted to explain this contradiction.

Option H... the actual plan on the table, was introduced in December. The board votes March 26. Ninety days. Permanent decision. Thousands of families. A cluster that is over one-third Asian American with documented inadequate multilingual outreach. The community asked for an independent cost comparison of renovation versus relocation. They still don't have one. The community asked for more time. They were told to be grateful for a new building.

The argument that this is just entitled homeowners protecting property values might land better if the district had done a single thing transparently. They didn't. They rushed a process, buried a conflict of interest between needing a holding school and needing to justify Crown, and then acted surprised when thousands of people showed up furious.

You don't have to oppose the move to recognize this process was a dumpster fire. But apparently nuance is also on the renovation delay list.

I'm so sick of this argument- its so misleading. You guys REALLY don't understand how this whole Wootton holding school thing is supposed to work huh?

They do in fact need to do work to make it safe for the other kids. Guess what, there's no money for that right now. There is zero funding and zero timeline to turn Wootton into the holding school. But they at least have a building they can use if and when the funding and opportunity arise. Not once has MCPS provided any data on when and how Wootton becomes a holding school. My guess? 5-10 years from now.

You should get on boarddocs because lots of the other information you want has been released in the board work sessions.

So Magruder just sits and rots for 5-10 years right? The alternative is Magruder gets to and wants to (rightfully so) go straight to Crown.

Agree to the fullest and rightfully!!

Magruder could go and sit there for 5-10 years yeah, but there wouldn't be funding to repair Magruder before then. Do they want to relocate that far away for ten years? I also don't know for sure they can get approval to use it as a holding school without a project actually happening.

Literally yes. Speak with Magruder advocates. They rather go to Crown for X years than stay where they are for the same amount of years or go to Wootton for the same amount of years.

Your last part is exactly why Magruder has such a huge stake in this. Making Crown into a holding school is exactly what’s going to make sure Magruder and others won’t be ignore. There will finally be some urgency to getting Magruder on CIP!

I cannot believe Magruder was forgotten in all of this. Say what everyone will - they were ignored. MCPS won't fess up to it and it's now creating yet another mess that doesn't have a happy ending at all. Nice job Dr. Taylor. Magruder folks - I hope you get what you deserve - quality education, quality facility, and an apology.

I hope Magruder sues.

We're hoping to!!!!

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Anonymous wrote:Oh good, the "it's only 12 minutes" people are here. Love it. Please, tell me more about the school bus system you have apparently never ridden. Your kid is not getting picked up last and dropped off at Crown. They are stop four of thirty-seven at 6:45am. But sure. Twelve minutes. Totally.

Now that we've handled that, let's talk about what's actually happening here because some of you are out here defending a process that wouldn't pass a middle school civics test.

MCPS added 16,000 housing units between 2019 and 2024. Enrollment dropped by 6,000 students. That is their own data. They are using declining enrollment to justify moving Wootton. By that exact same logic, Crown doesn't need Wootton's students either. The district built a school for a growth wave that never came, and now Wootton's community gets to pay for that miscalculation with their kids' commutes. Cool system.

And my personal favorite: the Wootton building is apparently SO dangerous, SO deteriorated, SO uninhabitable that students must be relocated immediately to a brand new facility. Great. Totally logical. So why is the very next sentence of the plan "and then we'll put other people's children in that same building as a holding school"? WHICH IS IT? Is it a condemned hazard or a perfectly serviceable facility? Because it cannot be both, and nobody in the pro-move crowd has ever once attempted to explain this contradiction.

Option H... the actual plan on the table, was introduced in December. The board votes March 26. Ninety days. Permanent decision. Thousands of families. A cluster that is over one-third Asian American with documented inadequate multilingual outreach. The community asked for an independent cost comparison of renovation versus relocation. They still don't have one. The community asked for more time. They were told to be grateful for a new building.

The argument that this is just entitled homeowners protecting property values might land better if the district had done a single thing transparently. They didn't. They rushed a process, buried a conflict of interest between needing a holding school and needing to justify Crown, and then acted surprised when thousands of people showed up furious.

You don't have to oppose the move to recognize this process was a dumpster fire. But apparently nuance is also on the renovation delay list.

I'm so sick of this argument- its so misleading. You guys REALLY don't understand how this whole Wootton holding school thing is supposed to work huh?

They do in fact need to do work to make it safe for the other kids. Guess what, there's no money for that right now. There is zero funding and zero timeline to turn Wootton into the holding school. But they at least have a building they can use if and when the funding and opportunity arise. Not once has MCPS provided any data on when and how Wootton becomes a holding school. My guess? 5-10 years from now.

You should get on boarddocs because lots of the other information you want has been released in the board work sessions.

So Magruder just sits and rots for 5-10 years right? The alternative is Magruder gets to and wants to (rightfully so) go straight to Crown.

Agree to the fullest and rightfully!!

Magruder could go and sit there for 5-10 years yeah, but there wouldn't be funding to repair Magruder before then. Do they want to relocate that far away for ten years? I also don't know for sure they can get approval to use it as a holding school without a project actually happening.

Literally yes. Speak with Magruder advocates. They rather go to Crown for X years than stay where they are for the same amount of years or go to Wootton for the same amount of years.

Your last part is exactly why Magruder has such a huge stake in this. Making Crown into a holding school is exactly what’s going to make sure Magruder and others won’t be ignore. There will finally be some urgency to getting Magruder on CIP!

I cannot believe Magruder was forgotten in all of this. Say what everyone will - they were ignored. MCPS won't fess up to it and it's now creating yet another mess that doesn't have a happy ending at all. Nice job Dr. Taylor. Magruder folks - I hope you get what you deserve - quality education, quality facility, and an apology.

I hope Magruder sues.

On what basis? They haven't gotten their school fixed? Get in line. There are numerous schools with lots of issues and no renovation in sight.

You must be the same person who thinks Wootton has no case.

Maybe leave the suing to actual lawyers.

I'm not trying to sue anyone.