International travel plans with all these politics going on

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Today’s news:

Trump administration indefinitely pauses immigrant visa processing for 75 nations

Might have an effect on overseas travel. I still think as Americans, for now at least, we will be able to travel, but with today’s climate and signs that Trump might double down on stupid, it might be best to stay home.

Go at your own risk.

Trump will close boarders around election time to keep people from voting. Yes he will.

I wonder if you guys remember all of the predictions you made during the first administration... hint, they didn't come true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Today’s news:

Trump administration indefinitely pauses immigrant visa processing for 75 nations

Might have an effect on overseas travel. I still think as Americans, for now at least, we will be able to travel, but with today’s climate and signs that Trump might double down on stupid, it might be best to stay home.

"The suspension, which will begin Jan. 21, will not apply to applicants seeking non-immigrant visas, or temporary tourist or business visas."

Well that’s a relief 🙄. I am sure travelers from these 75 countries are really looking forward to traveling to the states. The hospitality shown in Minneapolis, and coming to a town near you is so hospitable and welcoming.

Yeah, I'm not too worried about the tourists from Yemen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't even talk politics when I'm in America with my American friends, with whom I agree politically. We all understand we are aware of what is happening and we prefer to avoid doom-discussions to preserve our mental health.

I especially avoid doom-discussions with strangers, who I have to assume are informed by a cult of online misinformation. If on the random chance we agree, I'm avoiding doom-discussions.

With strangers, in another country? If I was traveling with someone who brought up politics with a stranger in a foreign country, I would abandon them.

Again, I doubt you travel the same way that I do. I'm about to go on a solo trip to Latin America for a month, for example, and I'm fluent in the language. In the past, I'd never bring up politics with anyone I'd meet. But things are different now. The first question anyone is going to ask you is where you are from. I'm not going to lie and say I'm Canadian or any of that bullshit. Nope. I'm going to say I'm American. And once you do that when you're abroad nowadays, you're going to hush the crowd around you. The reaction is palpable. Especially if you're older and white. The assumption is that you're a Trump supporter, and it's a major turn off for 90 percent of people who don't live in the USA.

So you make clear from the outset that you hate the guy, there's a collective sigh of relief, and the conversation more often than not goes in another direction. Sure, sometimes folks will want to continue with the political discussion, and that's fine too. It's our patriotic duty to reassure humans who have never been to the United States that not all of us have lost our minds.

The bottom line is that pre-Trump it was much easier to avoid discussing US politics with foreigners abroad, but now you almost have to or you'll be treated as a pariah.

This is so nutty. I’m in Central America right now and there is no “palpable, hushed reaction” when people learn I am from the US.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We plan to do international travel this summer. With the news of Venezuela today, talk about Mexico next with some countries prohibit free USA tourist visa, are there any countries that are guaranteed safe and not hostile to US for international travel this summer? I want to book plane tickets and hotels. Do you think Canada will be a safe choice? How about Asia?

Buy what you want, get the best travel insurance, and try not to get your hopes up. International travel may never be practical for regular Americans ever again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We plan to do international travel this summer. With the news of Venezuela today, talk about Mexico next with some countries prohibit free USA tourist visa, are there any countries that are guaranteed safe and not hostile to US for international travel this summer? I want to book plane tickets and hotels. Do you think Canada will be a safe choice? How about Asia?

Buy what you want, get the best travel insurance, and try not to get your hopes up. International travel may never be practical for regular Americans ever again.

What do you gain from posting hysterical nonsense like this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Today’s news:

Trump administration indefinitely pauses immigrant visa processing for 75 nations

Might have an effect on overseas travel. I still think as Americans, for now at least, we will be able to travel, but with today’s climate and signs that Trump might double down on stupid, it might be best to stay home.

"The suspension, which will begin Jan. 21, will not apply to applicants seeking non-immigrant visas, or temporary tourist or business visas."

This is true. It’s also true that Trump is setting things up in a bad way. If he doubles down on stupid- Greenland, Iran, Venezuela, Colombia, Mexico, I don’t think Americans will be received warmly abroad. At this rate, travel is the least of my concerns. I just want my country back.

+1

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like a lot of people are in for a wake up call.
If things progress, and trump doesn’t taco, we will be in a bad situation with Europe. I wouldn’t travel there, or Latin America, or anywhere else.

Not only are the crazy liberals not traveling but I bet they lost a lot of money in the stock market this year!

Do you actually understand the stock market. It’s up over this time last year, not down. Also, we have a beautiful country to explore. No need to leave.

The same people freaking out about Trump are the same ones who pulled their money out of the stock market last year.

And the US is fine, but it's lame AF when it comes to traveling. The US isn't bad for travel if you're a boomer couple or a lame type though.

DP. I guess that’s why we never have any foreign visitors to the US.

The US is huge and has an enormous variety of things to see and do, from mountains and glaciers and geothermal features to beaches, the Grand Canyon, and amazing museums. But it’s true it might not be cool enough for some elitist snobs, I guess.

Yep, those damn elitist snobs traveling around Latin America and SE Asia.

Those are the worst!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't even talk politics when I'm in America with my American friends, with whom I agree politically. We all understand we are aware of what is happening and we prefer to avoid doom-discussions to preserve our mental health.

I especially avoid doom-discussions with strangers, who I have to assume are informed by a cult of online misinformation. If on the random chance we agree, I'm avoiding doom-discussions.

With strangers, in another country? If I was traveling with someone who brought up politics with a stranger in a foreign country, I would abandon them.

Again, I doubt you travel the same way that I do. I'm about to go on a solo trip to Latin America for a month, for example, and I'm fluent in the language. In the past, I'd never bring up politics with anyone I'd meet. But things are different now. The first question anyone is going to ask you is where you are from. I'm not going to lie and say I'm Canadian or any of that bullshit. Nope. I'm going to say I'm American. And once you do that when you're abroad nowadays, you're going to hush the crowd around you. The reaction is palpable. Especially if you're older and white. The assumption is that you're a Trump supporter, and it's a major turn off for 90 percent of people who don't live in the USA.

So you make clear from the outset that you hate the guy, there's a collective sigh of relief, and the conversation more often than not goes in another direction. Sure, sometimes folks will want to continue with the political discussion, and that's fine too. It's our patriotic duty to reassure humans who have never been to the United States that not all of us have lost our minds.

The bottom line is that pre-Trump it was much easier to avoid discussing US politics with foreigners abroad, but now you almost have to or you'll be treated as a pariah.

This is so nutty. I’m in Central America right now and there is no “palpable, hushed reaction” when people learn I am from the US.

+1
It's as if the the pp is living in some type of alternate reality caused by too much social media, fake news, social isolation, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't even talk politics when I'm in America with my American friends, with whom I agree politically. We all understand we are aware of what is happening and we prefer to avoid doom-discussions to preserve our mental health.

I especially avoid doom-discussions with strangers, who I have to assume are informed by a cult of online misinformation. If on the random chance we agree, I'm avoiding doom-discussions.

With strangers, in another country? If I was traveling with someone who brought up politics with a stranger in a foreign country, I would abandon them.

Again, I doubt you travel the same way that I do. I'm about to go on a solo trip to Latin America for a month, for example, and I'm fluent in the language. In the past, I'd never bring up politics with anyone I'd meet. But things are different now. The first question anyone is going to ask you is where you are from. I'm not going to lie and say I'm Canadian or any of that bullshit. Nope. I'm going to say I'm American. And once you do that when you're abroad nowadays, you're going to hush the crowd around you. The reaction is palpable. Especially if you're older and white. The assumption is that you're a Trump supporter, and it's a major turn off for 90 percent of people who don't live in the USA.

So you make clear from the outset that you hate the guy, there's a collective sigh of relief, and the conversation more often than not goes in another direction. Sure, sometimes folks will want to continue with the political discussion, and that's fine too. It's our patriotic duty to reassure humans who have never been to the United States that not all of us have lost our minds.

The bottom line is that pre-Trump it was much easier to avoid discussing US politics with foreigners abroad, but now you almost have to or you'll be treated as a pariah.

This is so nutty. I’m in Central America right now and there is no “palpable, hushed reaction” when people learn I am from the US.

+1
It's as if the the pp is living in some type of alternate reality caused by too much social media, fake news, social isolation, etc.

+1

PP needs a social media break.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Today’s news:

Trump administration indefinitely pauses immigrant visa processing for 75 nations

Might have an effect on overseas travel. I still think as Americans, for now at least, we will be able to travel, but with today’s climate and signs that Trump might double down on stupid, it might be best to stay home.

"The suspension, which will begin Jan. 21, will not apply to applicants seeking non-immigrant visas, or temporary tourist or business visas."

Well that’s a relief 🙄. I am sure travelers from these 75 countries are really looking forward to traveling to the states. The hospitality shown in Minneapolis, and coming to a town near you is so hospitable and welcoming.

Yeah, I'm not too worried about the tourists from Yemen.

Someone on the other thread said the ban doesn't apply to tourist visas. I know a lot of South Americans whose home countries are on the list --- their family regularly visits on tourist visas, but I guess that's not going to be affected? If it was, I would think that would be a problem for a lot of people. And for Disneyworld/Universal, which fills its cold weather months with visitors from South America.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Today’s news:

Trump administration indefinitely pauses immigrant visa processing for 75 nations

Might have an effect on overseas travel. I still think as Americans, for now at least, we will be able to travel, but with today’s climate and signs that Trump might double down on stupid, it might be best to stay home.

"The suspension, which will begin Jan. 21, will not apply to applicants seeking non-immigrant visas, or temporary tourist or business visas."

This is true. It’s also true that Trump is setting things up in a bad way. If he doubles down on stupid- Greenland, Iran, Venezuela, Colombia, Mexico, I don’t think Americans will be received warmly abroad. At this rate, travel is the least of my concerns. I just want my country back.

+1

Americans and their tourist and investment $ are always welcome. Individual Americans who behave badly while abroad might be another story, but absent that kind of thing there's is little reason to think Americans will be PNG anywhere most Americans would actually want to travel.

[Anonymous]

Look, I went to Western Europe both last summer and summer before last and Russian tourists were all over the place, having a great time and nobody was bothering them. If Europeans were leaving Russians alone, I think you are fine as an American unless your destination is literally Greenland or perhaps Denmark or Venezuela.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't even talk politics when I'm in America with my American friends, with whom I agree politically. We all understand we are aware of what is happening and we prefer to avoid doom-discussions to preserve our mental health.

I especially avoid doom-discussions with strangers, who I have to assume are informed by a cult of online misinformation. If on the random chance we agree, I'm avoiding doom-discussions.

With strangers, in another country? If I was traveling with someone who brought up politics with a stranger in a foreign country, I would abandon them.

Again, I doubt you travel the same way that I do. I'm about to go on a solo trip to Latin America for a month, for example, and I'm fluent in the language. In the past, I'd never bring up politics with anyone I'd meet. But things are different now. The first question anyone is going to ask you is where you are from. I'm not going to lie and say I'm Canadian or any of that bullshit. Nope. I'm going to say I'm American. And once you do that when you're abroad nowadays, you're going to hush the crowd around you. The reaction is palpable. Especially if you're older and white. The assumption is that you're a Trump supporter, and it's a major turn off for 90 percent of people who don't live in the USA.

So you make clear from the outset that you hate the guy, there's a collective sigh of relief, and the conversation more often than not goes in another direction. Sure, sometimes folks will want to continue with the political discussion, and that's fine too. It's our patriotic duty to reassure humans who have never been to the United States that not all of us have lost our minds.

The bottom line is that pre-Trump it was much easier to avoid discussing US politics with foreigners abroad, but now you almost have to or you'll be treated as a pariah.

This is so nutty. I’m in Central America right now and there is no “palpable, hushed reaction” when people learn I am from the US.

Who are you talking to?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't even talk politics when I'm in America with my American friends, with whom I agree politically. We all understand we are aware of what is happening and we prefer to avoid doom-discussions to preserve our mental health.

I especially avoid doom-discussions with strangers, who I have to assume are informed by a cult of online misinformation. If on the random chance we agree, I'm avoiding doom-discussions.

With strangers, in another country? If I was traveling with someone who brought up politics with a stranger in a foreign country, I would abandon them.

Again, I doubt you travel the same way that I do. I'm about to go on a solo trip to Latin America for a month, for example, and I'm fluent in the language. In the past, I'd never bring up politics with anyone I'd meet. But things are different now. The first question anyone is going to ask you is where you are from. I'm not going to lie and say I'm Canadian or any of that bullshit. Nope. I'm going to say I'm American. And once you do that when you're abroad nowadays, you're going to hush the crowd around you. The reaction is palpable. Especially if you're older and white. The assumption is that you're a Trump supporter, and it's a major turn off for 90 percent of people who don't live in the USA.

So you make clear from the outset that you hate the guy, there's a collective sigh of relief, and the conversation more often than not goes in another direction. Sure, sometimes folks will want to continue with the political discussion, and that's fine too. It's our patriotic duty to reassure humans who have never been to the United States that not all of us have lost our minds.

The bottom line is that pre-Trump it was much easier to avoid discussing US politics with foreigners abroad, but now you almost have to or you'll be treated as a pariah.

This is so nutty. I’m in Central America right now and there is no “palpable, hushed reaction” when people learn I am from the US.

+1
It's as if the the pp is living in some type of alternate reality caused by too much social media, fake news, social isolation, etc.

+1

PP needs a social media break.

Can we get real for a minute? Which do you think is more likely right now in the rest of the world—that nobody gives a flying f__k about what the USA is up to right now or that they all think we’ve lost our collective minds?

I find it extremely hard to believe that any of you who say you’re in Latin America right now and perceive no difference are actually talking with locals and tourists from other countries beyond your drivers and your servants in your all inclusives. I also suspect few of you are here for more than a week or two.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is amazing.

Am pretty sure the only travel some of these posters have done (maybe it's the same one who keeps posting) is in their imagination.

I go overseas all the time. Nothing has changed. Most people are nice anywhere. Very few talk about politics, especially American politics. They have their own politics and issues (incidentally, migration is a huge one in Europe). Have two more international trips coming up. Am confident nothing has changed.

haha yup - went with an extended family of 5 to Spain over the New Year(who allegedly hates tourists, but definitely relies on tourist $$$). Everyone was very friendly and we heard 1 random Trump comment over the course of 7 days.

Yep, you don’t mix with any of the locals either. Just as I suspected.

This was a trip to visit a "local" who literally lives there. Please STFU with your suspicions.

Uh huh. One local. One time. And for how long, and in what language, and how many other locals and non-USA tourists did you meet?