Sunday- Monday Dec 15 weather

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Anonymous wrote:Should change to closed for Monday. Remember, the people who drive the buses and get your kids to and from may not show up for whatever reason. They may not find sub drivers. There are thousands of stops the buses have to be able to reach. It's not just about you and your 2025 SUV, ok?!

Close for what exactly? Bone dry roads and some discomfort?

What do you not understand?
Ice melts it will refreeze over night.

Kids should not be driving and hit black ice.
Little ones should not be a bus stops. ETC...

Why did you have kids if you can not take care of them?

It's 17 degrees out! It is not going to melt. How many times do folks have to explain basic physics to you?

I truly do not understand people in this region. Go walk around your neighborhood right now. There is no melt. There will be no melt tonight. It is impossible.

It melted this afternoon and is already refrozen. It won’t be treated again until tomorrow.

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Anonymous wrote:Should change to closed for Monday. Remember, the people who drive the buses and get your kids to and from may not show up for whatever reason. They may not find sub drivers. There are thousands of stops the buses have to be able to reach. It's not just about you and your 2025 SUV, ok?!

Close for what exactly? Bone dry roads and some discomfort?

What do you not understand?
Ice melts it will refreeze over night.

Kids should not be driving and hit black ice.
Little ones should not be a bus stops. ETC...

Why did you have kids if you can not take care of them?

It's 17 degrees out! It is not going to melt. How many times do folks have to explain basic physics to you?

I truly do not understand people in this region. Go walk around your neighborhood right now. There is no melt. There will be no melt tonight. It is impossible.

It melted this afternoon and is already refrozen. It won’t be treated again until tomorrow.

Did you go outside this afternoon? No, it didn't. Not to any significant degree. The small amount that melted from salt evaporated hours ago. It was too cold
to melt.

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Anonymous wrote:The delay gets kids out in the light instead of the dark so they can watch where they step and where they drive. There’s no reason to close

If you actually thought that was a problem, you'd give them a flashlight. But most of us don't live in a place with so little light pollution that you can't see where you're stepping.

It’s a huge county and black ice is really hard to see even down county.

If you're careless, you can miss it. Is it worth walking carefully to avoid minor injuries? Perhaps, but it's not worth delaying school. Particularly when the people who are worried could just drive and walk slower to get a similar benefit.

These are children.

Their brains aren’t developed enough to remember to walk carefully.

The pp seemed to be worried about teachers. What's their excuse?

As for kids, any decent parent lets their kids play outside on snow days. Tomorrow is less of a risk than a snow day would be.

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The buses can't start in 12 degree weather, folks! Sorry of thia was already repeated in the earlier threads. It's becoming monotonous and draining to keep having these same conversations everytime there is a grain of precipitation on the ground or a middle finger length of uncertainty in daily school operations. #my2cents

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Anonymous wrote:Stop replying to trolls. Just report the posts. 🙄

The delay is to give building services time to reapply ice melt on areas that melted today and refrozen. They also want it to be light outside so people can see what they are walking on. I know of two people seriously injured slipping on ice outside of school buildings. The delay helps minimize that risk.

I doubt they were "seriously injured." Maybe a broken arm, but even they they hopefully got a neurological workup to check for problems affecting their balance. And likely they weren't wearing appropriate shoes. You can hurt a lot of different ways when you make bad choices.

We didn't get enough snow for it to take long to clear. They worked today. That should have been enough. They didn't need a delay to do some clean-up in the morning. If they did a decent job today, there won't be anything to do. It didn't get warm enough today to melt the snow, even in the sun.

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Anonymous wrote:The buses can't start in 12 degree weather, folks! Sorry of thia was already repeated in the earlier threads. It's becoming monotonous and draining to keep having these same conversations everytime there is a grain of precipitation on the ground or a middle finger length of uncertainty in daily school operations. #my2cents

No one cares about the buses except parents of kids standing around in 18 degrees. The ones who don't understand why schools can't start on time bought their 2026 SUV with a red bow and they were looking to show it off at Larax's school tomorrow before heading to work. Now they can't show off the new toy because Larlax will walk to school while they are at work already.

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Anonymous wrote:The buses can't start in 12 degree weather, folks! Sorry of thia was already repeated in the earlier threads. It's becoming monotonous and draining to keep having these same conversations everytime there is a grain of precipitation on the ground or a middle finger length of uncertainty in daily school operations. #my2cents

No one cares about the buses except parents of kids standing around in 18 degrees. The ones who don't understand why schools can't start on time bought their 2026 SUV with a red bow and they were looking to show it off at Larax's school tomorrow before heading to work. Now they can't show off the new toy because Larlax will walk to school while they are at work already.

I bought my kid weather appropriate clothes. It's much cheaper than an SUV.

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Anonymous wrote:The buses can't start in 12 degree weather, folks! Sorry of thia was already repeated in the earlier threads. It's becoming monotonous and draining to keep having these same conversations everytime there is a grain of precipitation on the ground or a middle finger length of uncertainty in daily school operations. #my2cents

This is a frequent excuse on dcum that never pans out. We open for colder temperatures, despite the whining. The forecast hasn't been a mystery. If the temperatures were going to be a problem for the buses, they would have already put in additives. But these temperatures shouldn't be a problem for the buses yet.

Besides that, the temperatures won't be more than a couple degrees higher when they start the buses with this delay.

This is definitely not why they're delaying.

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Anonymous wrote:The buses can't start in 12 degree weather, folks! Sorry of thia was already repeated in the earlier threads. It's becoming monotonous and draining to keep having these same conversations everytime there is a grain of precipitation on the ground or a middle finger length of uncertainty in daily school operations. #my2cents

No one cares about the buses except parents of kids standing around in 18 degrees. The ones who don't understand why schools can't start on time bought their 2026 SUV with a red bow and they were looking to show it off at Larax's school tomorrow before heading to work. Now they can't show off the new toy because Larlax will walk to school while they are at work already.

You know schools start on-time in other parts of the country at much colder temperatures, right? The buses start, the kids don't freeze to death, and the parents don't have the kind of jobs to buy a fancy SUV (not that they help much with the snow or cold anyway).

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Anonymous wrote:The buses can't start in 12 degree weather, folks! Sorry of thia was already repeated in the earlier threads. It's becoming monotonous and draining to keep having these same conversations everytime there is a grain of precipitation on the ground or a middle finger length of uncertainty in daily school operations. #my2cents

What??

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Anonymous wrote:The buses can't start in 12 degree weather, folks! Sorry of thia was already repeated in the earlier threads. It's becoming monotonous and draining to keep having these same conversations everytime there is a grain of precipitation on the ground or a middle finger length of uncertainty in daily school operations. #my2cents

No one cares about the buses except parents of kids standing around in 18 degrees. The ones who don't understand why schools can't start on time bought their 2026 SUV with a red bow and they were looking to show it off at Larax's school tomorrow before heading to work. Now they can't show off the new toy because Larlax will walk to school while they are at work already.

You know schools start on-time in other parts of the country at much colder temperatures, right? The buses start, the kids don't freeze to death, and the parents don't have the kind of jobs to buy a fancy SUV (not that they help much with the snow or cold anyway).

Vehicles in places where it get super cold are built differently. They have additives in their gas, different oil and devices that keep the battery warm. I grew up in Canada and we plugged the electric blanket on the battery in our car in every night in the winter.

Plus there can be other features, like covered parking, or even indoor parking for buses, and systems that let buses remote start.

I'm not saying that 12 is the cut off, but there are definitely factors that go into whether the bus starts.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a 2 hour delay-not the end of the world. I'd much rather be safe than sorry in situations like this, but it's pretty clear that many of you don't prioritize that.

No one has articulated a coherent reason to delay. It's well below freezing now. It's going to stay well below freezing through the delayed opening. There's no refreezing problem, and a delay won't allow the snow to melt before opening.

The email included several reasons. It's a done deal. Move on.

Could actually move to a closed. Buses can't start at 6am nor at 8am. They could start probably at 2pm tho if temps are climbing up on Monday.

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Anonymous wrote:It's a 2 hour delay-not the end of the world. I'd much rather be safe than sorry in situations like this, but it's pretty clear that many of you don't prioritize that.

No one has articulated a coherent reason to delay. It's well below freezing now. It's going to stay well below freezing through the delayed opening. There's no refreezing problem, and a delay won't allow the snow to melt before opening.

The email included several reasons. It's a done deal. Move on.

Could actually move to a closed. Buses can't start at 6am nor at 8am. They could start probably at 2pm tho if temps are climbing up on Monday.

Bus drivers have to be out on the road before 8am. What time do bus drivers report? 6am to make sure buses can start?

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Anonymous wrote:The buses can't start in 12 degree weather, folks! Sorry of thia was already repeated in the earlier threads. It's becoming monotonous and draining to keep having these same conversations everytime there is a grain of precipitation on the ground or a middle finger length of uncertainty in daily school operations. #my2cents

No one cares about the buses except parents of kids standing around in 18 degrees. The ones who don't understand why schools can't start on time bought their 2026 SUV with a red bow and they were looking to show it off at Larax's school tomorrow before heading to work. Now they can't show off the new toy because Larlax will walk to school while they are at work already.

You know schools start on-time in other parts of the country at much colder temperatures, right? The buses start, the kids don't freeze to death, and the parents don't have the kind of jobs to buy a fancy SUV (not that they help much with the snow or cold anyway).

Vehicles in places where it get super cold are built differently. They have additives in their gas, different oil and devices that keep the battery warm. I grew up in Canada and we plugged the electric blanket on the battery in our car in every night in the winter.

Plus there can be other features, like covered parking, or even indoor parking for buses, and systems that let buses remote start.

I'm not saying that 12 is the cut off, but there are definitely factors that go into whether the bus starts.

No, Minnesota doesn't have special school buses, nor do they have the money for garages for them. They often have engine block heaters, but they don't use them every day. The diesel fuel has a winter blend, similar to
what MCPS buses get, and they sometimes use additional additives.

There's nothing magical or even particularly expensive. The 15F temperatures overnight aren't a problem. MCPS has opened with single-digit early morning temperatures. We don't get to temperatures that create real problems here.

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Anonymous wrote:2H delay was the right decision. 3rd time’s the charm. Some HS students are outside waiting for the bus at 6 am. That doesn’t sound safe tomorrow morning

This was the right call. As the parent of a new driver I am glad we don’t have to worry about this in the morning. Thanks for the early announcement Taylor!

You know the roads are fine, though, don't you? The only difference will be light. Are you going to demand delays until the days get longer?

If the snowmelts and freezes you get black ice. Kids leave early for hs.

It's not going to melt at this point. The roads now will be the roads tomorrow at 7am, which will also be the same as the roads tomorrow at 9am.

"Extra time in the morning will allow facilities team members to treat remaining patches of snow and ice. Extra time in the morning will also help transportation team members to warm up buses and have extra time for safe travel."