Percentage of BIPOCs at your child’s top pick

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Anonymous wrote:As far as reach-schools, what percentage of the college are BIPOCs, and is diversity likely to sway your child’s decision?

For my white kid, noticeable lack of diversity was a concern.

One issue is that, at a school where all of the kids “are white,” types of white might suddenly matter. We’re not Mayflower white.

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BC like ND are Catholic schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Kid’s 1st choice is Swarthmore, which is under 40% Caucasian. Absolutely noticed and was put off by “whiteness” at BC and Dickinson. (Currently attends private hs 50% white).

My son did not apply to any schools more than 50% white. Many great diverse schools out there.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid has crossed schools off the list because they don't have enough diversity in their marketing materials. And while visiting Kenyon, eating in the cafeteria, my kid looked around and said 'everyone here is really white' so I do think it's a factor in her decision making. We are a non-Hispanic, white family.

Your child sounds insufferable

The type of kid that crazy glues their hand to a painting in a museum

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Anonymous wrote:BIPOC - black, indigenous, people of color
It has nothing to do with sexuality.

Holy crap! I am BIPOC (not sexually). I had no idea.

The focus of BIPOC is on the black/Indigenous part of people of color.

E.g. Elizabeth Warren is not BIPOC.

Asians and Jews are generally not considsred BIPOC.

Hispanic Whites are not considered BIPOC.

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Anonymous wrote:BIPOC - black, indigenous, people of color
It has nothing to do with sexuality.

Holy crap! I am BIPOC (not sexually). I had no idea.

The focus of BIPOC is on the black/Indigenous part of people of color.

E.g. Elizabeth Warren is not BIPOC.

Asians and Jews are generally not considsred BIPOC.

Hispanic Whites are not considered BIPOC.

So what are Asians? They are white people? Learning something new every day! Doesn't make any sense.
BIPOC = non-white
Period.

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Such a useful acronym. No one agrees on what it means.

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Anonymous wrote:So what are we to infer from this thread? Many whites do not value diversity? You just tolerate non-white people? And that you'd be equally as happy to be at an all white institution. I find this utterly depressing.

Also you keep asking if we are in more "woke" times, but for many of us, this is our current reality. I don't want to send my kid to a school that only has 3% of other kids that look like him. That sounds horrible.

It means that people value other things more than just what their classmates look like. We all have our own priorities.

But that is not it. Lots of people on this thread saying people who value being in a diverse environment are “woke” or crazy. It’s not just that some people don’t care, they actively denigrate those who may consider diversity at all.

No, I am denigrating people who can’t write a post about diversity without being righteous. Just because one values diversity one is not better than wide swaths of the country that are less diverse.

If you don’t believe diversity is important and your kid does not, why does it matter to you that others find it valuable? Is there any way that someone can express that opinion (on an anonymous message board, natch) that doesn’t strike you as performative?

A different example - I have found generally vegetarians to be annoying. Mostly because I agree with them on the morality of industrial meat production that I support through my purchases. Obviously if a friend is vegetarian, I am not at all annoyed if she chooses a vegetarian meal when we go out to dinner together. However, if someone starts talking about slaughterhouses or even why vegetarianism is healthier for her, I recognize myself wanting to change the subject. It’s because I think I should perhaps try eating less meat but really there are reasons why I don’t want to. I think it’s the same with this whole topic. People tend to think there is value in diversity as a whole but get annoyed when having to confront for themselves how low they prioritize it. It’s why they feel others are “lecturing” them. If you truly thought it was crazy talk, you wouldn’t care.

I don’t have an issue with diversity, just people who are pompous. If you can’t express yourself without sounding like someone with a superiority complex, you need to work on you.

The pomposity immediately came on this thread from people ridiculing kids and parents who value it.

Nope, from the get go we got my kids don’t want to mix with white kids from non diverse parts of the country and highly selective schools that I don’t think are diverse enough for my kid (Wake and Davidson) are their safeties. I guess folks here are pompous and insulting all the time so they don’t have self awareness of how they come off.

Most countries are non-diverse. You will have to learn to deal with people from non-diverse places.

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Anonymous wrote:I hate the term biopic, but of course guys is a consideration. I am Indian American, born here. We value diversity in our family. We live in a country where race has become electrified. See the comments by JD about Usha and how Indians are made fun of on social media, how Trump refers to immigrants as illegals, and how her ghoulishly depicted the House Majority Leader inexplicably wearing a sombrero. I’m disgusted by many of the comments here, but clearly I’ve been deluding myself that the higher educated DCUM population is reasonable and not racist. Glad to see there are some white students who care to mix with others.

But, Indians and Indian-Americans are not BIPOCs.

Why? Are they white? BIPOCs are basically all non-white.

Indians are not URMs, because they benefit from unearned privilege. This is why Indians and other Asian peoples are excluded from programs which take race into consideration, such as many scholarships set aside exclusively to benefit BIPOCs.

I agree South Asians are not BIPOC but what unearned privilege do they have?
Was it the 200 years of british colonial rule?

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Anonymous wrote:I hate the term biopic, but of course guys is a consideration. I am Indian American, born here. We value diversity in our family. We live in a country where race has become electrified. See the comments by JD about Usha and how Indians are made fun of on social media, how Trump refers to immigrants as illegals, and how her ghoulishly depicted the House Majority Leader inexplicably wearing a sombrero. I’m disgusted by many of the comments here, but clearly I’ve been deluding myself that the higher educated DCUM population is reasonable and not racist. Glad to see there are some white students who care to mix with others.

But, Indians and Indian-Americans are not BIPOCs.

Why? Are they white? BIPOCs are basically all non-white.

Indians are not URMs, because they benefit from unearned privilege. This is why Indians and other Asian peoples are excluded from programs which take race into consideration, such as many scholarships set aside exclusively to benefit BIPOCs.

Indians are not URM. They are, however, BIPOCs.

NP: This is correct. The term originated in academia and politics (activism); BIPOC is basically anyone not white. Different than URM.

Then why qualify the term with the BI if you mean all POC?

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Anonymous wrote:I hate the term biopic, but of course guys is a consideration. I am Indian American, born here. We value diversity in our family. We live in a country where race has become electrified. See the comments by JD about Usha and how Indians are made fun of on social media, how Trump refers to immigrants as illegals, and how her ghoulishly depicted the House Majority Leader inexplicably wearing a sombrero. I’m disgusted by many of the comments here, but clearly I’ve been deluding myself that the higher educated DCUM population is reasonable and not racist. Glad to see there are some white students who care to mix with others.

But, Indians and Indian-Americans are not BIPOCs.

Why? Are they white? BIPOCs are basically all non-white.

Indians are not URMs, because they benefit from unearned privilege. This is why Indians and other Asian peoples are excluded from programs which take race into consideration, such as many scholarships set aside exclusively to benefit BIPOCs.

Indians are not URM. They are, however, BIPOCs.

The central defining characteristic of being BIPOC is having experienced racism and oppression (particularly economic oppression) at the hands of whites and white culture. Indians have long had higher HHI and a far greater rate of college attainment than whites, proportionally. The same is true for other Asian peoples. Thus, by definition, Indians, Indian-Americans, and Asian peoples are not BIPOC.

Wait, did you just say that indians and east asians have not experienced racism and oppression at the hands of whites and white culture? WTF?!?!?

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Anonymous wrote:Idk about my kid but I do care, for matrimonial reasons tbh.

Yikes. This thread is infected with MAGA bigots.

You think black families want their daughters bringing home white boys?

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Anonymous wrote:I hate the term biopic, but of course guys is a consideration. I am Indian American, born here. We value diversity in our family. We live in a country where race has become electrified. See the comments by JD about Usha and how Indians are made fun of on social media, how Trump refers to immigrants as illegals, and how her ghoulishly depicted the House Majority Leader inexplicably wearing a sombrero. I’m disgusted by many of the comments here, but clearly I’ve been deluding myself that the higher educated DCUM population is reasonable and not racist. Glad to see there are some white students who care to mix with others.

But, Indians and Indian-Americans are not BIPOCs.

Why? Are they white? BIPOCs are basically all non-white.

Indians are not URMs, because they benefit from unearned privilege. This is why Indians and other Asian peoples are excluded from programs which take race into consideration, such as many scholarships set aside exclusively to benefit BIPOCs.

Indians are not URM. They are, however, BIPOCs.

The central defining characteristic of being BIPOC is having experienced racism and oppression (particularly economic oppression) at the hands of whites and white culture. Indians have long had higher HHI and a far greater rate of college attainment than whites, proportionally. The same is true for other Asian peoples. Thus, by definition, Indians, Indian-Americans, and Asian peoples are not BIPOC.

That is a completely ignorant statement considering the ugly history of anti Asian discrimination and hate crimes in the United States, starting as early as the Gold Rush era, and extending to the present day with Covid related hate crimes. The fact that a certain subsegment of the Asian population has tended to outperform in a small specific area of academics does not negate their minority status and relative lack of political and cultural representation/power in the US. Further, the above poster is conflating certain Asian groups like Indians and Chinese as representing the good fortunes of all Asian groups, which is another gross oversimplification. Should
we talk as if all white Southerners are racist redneck gunowners, or all black people are drug dealers and live in housing projects?

You are grouping a lot of people from many different countries under the "Asian" label conveniently for your argument. Indians were not around during the Gold Rush. Filippinos have little in common with Chinese people.

This grouping of many countries under the “Asian” group is a direct response to an earlier poster saying all Asian people are privileged and therefore not BIPOC. They are pointing out that Asians are a disparate group. You guys are agreeing with each other, dimwit.

No, I was responding to the part that stated "The fact that a certain subsegment of the Asian population has tended to outperform in a small specific area of academics does not negate their minority status and relative lack of political and cultural representation/power in the US."

Point is:

As a whole, Asians are privileged. And that is why they cannot be included.

What privilege do asians have? Is it earned privilege or unearned privilege or does that distinction not matter to you?

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Anonymous wrote:BIPOC - black, indigenous, people of color
It has nothing to do with sexuality.

Holy crap! I am BIPOC (not sexually). I had no idea.

The focus of BIPOC is on the black/Indigenous part of people of color.

E.g. Elizabeth Warren is not BIPOC.

Asians and Jews are generally not considsred BIPOC.

Hispanic Whites are not considered BIPOC.

So what are Asians? They are white people? Learning something new every day! Doesn't make any sense.
BIPOC = non-white
Period.

Then what is the difference between POC and BIPOC?

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Anonymous wrote:I hate the term biopic, but of course guys is a consideration. I am Indian American, born here. We value diversity in our family. We live in a country where race has become electrified. See the comments by JD about Usha and how Indians are made fun of on social media, how Trump refers to immigrants as illegals, and how her ghoulishly depicted the House Majority Leader inexplicably wearing a sombrero. I’m disgusted by many of the comments here, but clearly I’ve been deluding myself that the higher educated DCUM population is reasonable and not racist. Glad to see there are some white students who care to mix with others.

But, Indians and Indian-Americans are not BIPOCs.

Why? Are they white? BIPOCs are basically all non-white.

Indians are not URMs, because they benefit from unearned privilege. This is why Indians and other Asian peoples are excluded from programs which take race into consideration, such as many scholarships set aside exclusively to benefit BIPOCs.

Indians are not URM. They are, however, BIPOCs.

The central defining characteristic of being BIPOC is having experienced racism and oppression (particularly economic oppression) at the hands of whites and white culture. Indians have long had higher HHI and a far greater rate of college attainment than whites, proportionally. The same is true for other Asian peoples. Thus, by definition, Indians, Indian-Americans, and Asian peoples are not BIPOC.

That is a completely ignorant statement considering the ugly history of anti Asian discrimination and hate crimes in the United States, starting as early as the Gold Rush era, and extending to the present day with Covid related hate crimes. The fact that a certain subsegment of the Asian population has tended to outperform in a small specific area of academics does not negate their minority status and relative lack of political and cultural representation/power in the US. Further, the above poster is conflating certain Asian groups like Indians and Chinese as representing the good fortunes of all Asian groups, which is another gross oversimplification. Should
we talk as if all white Southerners are racist redneck gunowners, or all black people are drug dealers and live in housing projects?

You are grouping a lot of people from many different countries under the "Asian" label conveniently for your argument. Indians were not around during the Gold Rush. Filippinos have little in common with Chinese people.

This grouping of many countries under the “Asian” group is a direct response to an earlier poster saying all Asian people are privileged and therefore not BIPOC. They are pointing out that Asians are a disparate group. You guys are agreeing with each other, dimwit.

No, I was responding to the part that stated "The fact that a certain subsegment of the Asian population has tended to outperform in a small specific area of academics does not negate their minority status and relative lack of political and cultural representation/power in the US."

Point is:

As a whole, Asians are privileged. And that is why they cannot be included.

What privilege do asians have? Is it earned privilege or unearned privilege or does that distinction not matter to you?

Asian privilege:
Building railroads
Chinese Exclusion Act
Ineligible for buying or renting a house
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