Percentage of BIPOCs at your child’s top pick

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Anonymous wrote:As far as reach-schools, what percentage of the college are BIPOCs, and is diversity likely to sway your child’s decision?

For my white kid, noticeable lack of diversity was a concern.

One issue is that, at a school where all of the kids “are white,” types of white might suddenly matter. We’re not Mayflower white.

This can’t be a real conversation…

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Anonymous wrote:As far as reach-schools, what percentage of the college are BIPOCs, and is diversity likely to sway your child’s decision?

For my white kid, noticeable lack of diversity was a concern.

One issue is that, at a school where all of the kids “are white,” types of white might suddenly matter. We’re not Mayflower white.

This can’t be a real conversation…

It's not a conversation that normal people have.

This whole thread reads like the oppression Olympics.

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Anonymous wrote:BIPOC - black, indigenous, people of color
It has nothing to do with sexuality.

Holy crap! I am BIPOC (not sexually). I had no idea.

The focus of BIPOC is on the black/Indigenous part of people of color.

E.g. Elizabeth Warren is not BIPOC.

Asians and Jews are generally not considsred BIPOC.

Hispanic Whites are not considered BIPOC.

So what are Asians? They are white people? Learning something new every day! Doesn't make any sense.
BIPOC = non-white
Period.

Then what is the difference between POC and BIPOC?

Inclusive, at that same time recognizing the most severe historical wrongs.

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Anonymous wrote:So what are we to infer from this thread? Many whites do not value diversity? You just tolerate non-white people? And that you'd be equally as happy to be at an all white institution. I find this utterly depressing.

Also you keep asking if we are in more "woke" times, but for many of us, this is our current reality. I don't want to send my kid to a school that only has 3% of other kids that look like him. That sounds horrible.

It means that people value other things more than just what their classmates look like. We all have our own priorities.

But that is not it. Lots of people on this thread saying people who value being in a diverse environment are “woke” or crazy. It’s not just that some people don’t care, they actively denigrate those who may consider diversity at all.

No, I am denigrating people who can’t write a post about diversity without being righteous. Just because one values diversity one is not better than wide swaths of the country that are less diverse.

If you don’t believe diversity is important and your kid does not, why does it matter to you that others find it valuable? Is there any way that someone can express that opinion (on an anonymous message board, natch) that doesn’t strike you as performative?

A different example - I have found generally vegetarians to be annoying. Mostly because I agree with them on the morality of industrial meat production that I support through my purchases. Obviously if a friend is vegetarian, I am not at all annoyed if she chooses a vegetarian meal when we go out to dinner together. However, if someone starts talking about slaughterhouses or even why vegetarianism is healthier for her, I recognize myself wanting to change the subject. It’s because I think I should perhaps try eating less meat but really there are reasons why I don’t want to. I think it’s the same with this whole topic. People tend to think there is value in diversity as a whole but get annoyed when having to confront for themselves how low they prioritize it. It’s why they feel others are “lecturing” them. If you truly thought it was crazy talk, you wouldn’t care.

I don’t have an issue with diversity, just people who are pompous. If you can’t express yourself without sounding like someone with a superiority complex, you need to work on you.

The pomposity immediately came on this thread from people ridiculing kids and parents who value it.

Nope, from the get go we got my kids don’t want to mix with white kids from non diverse parts of the country and highly selective schools that I don’t think are diverse enough for my kid (Wake and Davidson) are their safeties. I guess folks here are pompous and insulting all the time so they don’t have self awareness of how they come off.

Most countries are non-diverse. You will have to learn to deal with people from non-diverse places.

The rationalizations for UMC white kids to go majority white colleges are endless. As if going to Notre Dame or Boston College is going to help someone who ends up in Japan or the Democratic Republic of Congo.

But going to a diverse school with lots of international students just might.

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Diversity was not a top consideration for either of my kids in selecting colleges.They are cis white kids.

With my first kid was going through the college application process, I remember discussing this with very left friends. They all said how important diversity was for their (white) kids, how their (white) kids couldn't imagine going to a college that wasn't diverse and they were shocked! that my kid didn't put diversity as the number one factor in choosing a college.

Fast forward a year when they made their college decisions. My cis white kid goes to their top pick - which happens to be in a red state (the horrors!). They picked this college due to academics, good merit money and I could tell from the first time I saw them on a tour of campus, they had an ease with the college that they didn't have with any other college.

My friends' kids went to very liberal NE, small liberal arts colleges. Top ranked.

Guess which kid is having the college experience with the most diversity? Diversity of skin color, diversity of thought, etc.?

What I came to understand with my friends' kids...(those kids are white but aren't cis.) They just wanted to go to schools where there was a sizeable population of kids just like them. Suddenly, when push came to shove, the gay kid was okay with going to a primarily white school because at least there was a sizeable gay population. The woke, blue hair kid just wanted to go to the prestigious, highly ranked woke liberal arts school that had a high percentage of white, woke, blue haired type of kids.

For everybody, there is no unicorn of a college that has all the characteristics one is looking for - affordable, strong academics, location, prestige/ranking. Something has to give - and for white kids, that usually means they will give up diversity before giving up one of the other characteristics.

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Anonymous wrote:So what are we to infer from this thread? Many whites do not value diversity? You just tolerate non-white people? And that you'd be equally as happy to be at an all white institution. I find this utterly depressing.

Also you keep asking if we are in more "woke" times, but for many of us, this is our current reality. I don't want to send my kid to a school that only has 3% of other kids that look like him. That sounds horrible.

It means that people value other things more than just what their classmates look like. We all have our own priorities.

But that is not it. Lots of people on this thread saying people who value being in a diverse environment are “woke” or crazy. It’s not just that some people don’t care, they actively denigrate those who may consider diversity at all.

No, I am denigrating people who can’t write a post about diversity without being righteous. Just because one values diversity one is not better than wide swaths of the country that are less diverse.

If you don’t believe diversity is important and your kid does not, why does it matter to you that others find it valuable? Is there any way that someone can express that opinion (on an anonymous message board, natch) that doesn’t strike you as performative?

A different example - I have found generally vegetarians to be annoying. Mostly because I agree with them on the morality of industrial meat production that I support through my purchases. Obviously if a friend is vegetarian, I am not at all annoyed if she chooses a vegetarian meal when we go out to dinner together. However, if someone starts talking about slaughterhouses or even why vegetarianism is healthier for her, I recognize myself wanting to change the subject. It’s because I think I should perhaps try eating less meat but really there are reasons why I don’t want to. I think it’s the same with this whole topic. People tend to think there is value in diversity as a whole but get annoyed when having to confront for themselves how low they prioritize it. It’s why they feel others are “lecturing” them. If you truly thought it was crazy talk, you wouldn’t care.

I don’t have an issue with diversity, just people who are pompous. If you can’t express yourself without sounding like someone with a superiority complex, you need to work on you.

The pomposity immediately came on this thread from people ridiculing kids and parents who value it.

Nope, from the get go we got my kids don’t want to mix with white kids from non diverse parts of the country and highly selective schools that I don’t think are diverse enough for my kid (Wake and Davidson) are their safeties. I guess folks here are pompous and insulting all the time so they don’t have self awareness of how they come off.

Most countries are non-diverse. You will have to learn to deal with people from non-diverse places.

The rationalizations for UMC white kids to go majority white colleges are endless. As if going to Notre Dame or Boston College is going to help someone who ends up in Japan or the Democratic Republic of Congo.

But going to a diverse school with lots of international students just might.

I’m white, and would be fully supportive if my DC wanted to go to a college that was majority minority. (At least half of DC’s friends are minorities.)

I would also be fully supportive if my white DC wanted to go to a college that had majority white student body.

Why should a white kid automatically reject going to a college that is majority white? Nobody blinks an eye when a Black student goes to Howard. Nobody thinks it’s strange when an Asian student goes to a majority Asian university, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:I hate the term biopic, but of course guys is a consideration. I am Indian American, born here. We value diversity in our family. We live in a country where race has become electrified. See the comments by JD about Usha and how Indians are made fun of on social media, how Trump refers to immigrants as illegals, and how her ghoulishly depicted the House Majority Leader inexplicably wearing a sombrero. I’m disgusted by many of the comments here, but clearly I’ve been deluding myself that the higher educated DCUM population is reasonable and not racist. Glad to see there are some white students who care to mix with others.

But, Indians and Indian-Americans are not BIPOCs.

Why? Are they white? BIPOCs are basically all non-white.

Indians are not URMs, because they benefit from unearned privilege. This is why Indians and other Asian peoples are excluded from programs which take race into consideration, such as many scholarships set aside exclusively to benefit BIPOCs.

Indians are not URM. They are, however, BIPOCs.

The central defining characteristic of being BIPOC is having experienced racism and oppression (particularly economic oppression) at the hands of whites and white culture. Indians have long had higher HHI and a far greater rate of college attainment than whites, proportionally. The same is true for other Asian peoples. Thus, by definition, Indians, Indian-Americans, and Asian peoples are not BIPOC.

That is a completely ignorant statement considering the ugly history of anti Asian discrimination and hate crimes in the United States, starting as early as the Gold Rush era, and extending to the present day with Covid related hate crimes. The fact that a certain subsegment of the Asian population has tended to outperform in a small specific area of academics does not negate their minority status and relative lack of political and cultural representation/power in the US. Further, the above poster is conflating certain Asian groups like Indians and Chinese as representing the good fortunes of all Asian groups, which is another gross oversimplification. Should
we talk as if all white Southerners are racist redneck gunowners, or all black people are drug dealers and live in housing projects?

You are grouping a lot of people from many different countries under the "Asian" label conveniently for your argument. Indians were not around during the Gold Rush. Filippinos have little in common with Chinese people.

This grouping of many countries under the “Asian” group is a direct response to an earlier poster saying all Asian people are privileged and therefore not BIPOC. They are pointing out that Asians are a disparate group. You guys are agreeing with each other, dimwit.

No, I was responding to the part that stated "The fact that a certain subsegment of the Asian population has tended to outperform in a small specific area of academics does not negate their minority status and relative lack of political and cultural representation/power in the US."

Point is:

As a whole, Asians are privileged. And that is why they cannot be included.

What privilege do asians have? Is it earned privilege or unearned privilege or does that distinction not matter to you?

Asian privilege:
Building railroads
Chinese Exclusion Act
Ineligible for buying or renting a house
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Another big Asian privilege: Japanese internment camp

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Anonymous wrote:So what are we to infer from this thread? Many whites do not value diversity? You just tolerate non-white people? And that you'd be equally as happy to be at an all white institution. I find this utterly depressing.

Also you keep asking if we are in more "woke" times, but for many of us, this is our current reality. I don't want to send my kid to a school that only has 3% of other kids that look like him. That sounds horrible.

It means that people value other things more than just what their classmates look like. We all have our own priorities.

But that is not it. Lots of people on this thread saying people who value being in a diverse environment are “woke” or crazy. It’s not just that some people don’t care, they actively denigrate those who may consider diversity at all.

No, I am denigrating people who can’t write a post about diversity without being righteous. Just because one values diversity one is not better than wide swaths of the country that are less diverse.

If you don’t believe diversity is important and your kid does not, why does it matter to you that others find it valuable? Is there any way that someone can express that opinion (on an anonymous message board, natch) that doesn’t strike you as performative?

A different example - I have found generally vegetarians to be annoying. Mostly because I agree with them on the morality of industrial meat production that I support through my purchases. Obviously if a friend is vegetarian, I am not at all annoyed if she chooses a vegetarian meal when we go out to dinner together. However, if someone starts talking about slaughterhouses or even why vegetarianism is healthier for her, I recognize myself wanting to change the subject. It’s because I think I should perhaps try eating less meat but really there are reasons why I don’t want to. I think it’s the same with this whole topic. People tend to think there is value in diversity as a whole but get annoyed when having to confront for themselves how low they prioritize it. It’s why they feel others are “lecturing” them. If you truly thought it was crazy talk, you wouldn’t care.

I don’t have an issue with diversity, just people who are pompous. If you can’t express yourself without sounding like someone with a superiority complex, you need to work on you.

The pomposity immediately came on this thread from people ridiculing kids and parents who value it.

Nope, from the get go we got my kids don’t want to mix with white kids from non diverse parts of the country and highly selective schools that I don’t think are diverse enough for my kid (Wake and Davidson) are their safeties. I guess folks here are pompous and insulting all the time so they don’t have self awareness of how they come off.

Most countries are non-diverse. You will have to learn to deal with people from non-diverse places.

The rationalizations for UMC white kids to go majority white colleges are endless. As if going to Notre Dame or Boston College is going to help someone who ends up in Japan or the Democratic Republic of Congo.

But going to a diverse school with lots of international students just might.

You sound clueless. Both ND and BC have a fair amount of international students and racial diversity.

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Some minorities want to go to certain white majority schools because they happen to be great and offer something for everyone. State flagships like UGA come to mind.

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Anonymous wrote:So what are we to infer from this thread? Many whites do not value diversity? You just tolerate non-white people? And that you'd be equally as happy to be at an all white institution. I find this utterly depressing.

Also you keep asking if we are in more "woke" times, but for many of us, this is our current reality. I don't want to send my kid to a school that only has 3% of other kids that look like him. That sounds horrible.

It means that people value other things more than just what their classmates look like. We all have our own priorities.

But that is not it. Lots of people on this thread saying people who value being in a diverse environment are “woke” or crazy. It’s not just that some people don’t care, they actively denigrate those who may consider diversity at all.

No, I am denigrating people who can’t write a post about diversity without being righteous. Just because one values diversity one is not better than wide swaths of the country that are less diverse.

If you don’t believe diversity is important and your kid does not, why does it matter to you that others find it valuable? Is there any way that someone can express that opinion (on an anonymous message board, natch) that doesn’t strike you as performative?

A different example - I have found generally vegetarians to be annoying. Mostly because I agree with them on the morality of industrial meat production that I support through my purchases. Obviously if a friend is vegetarian, I am not at all annoyed if she chooses a vegetarian meal when we go out to dinner together. However, if someone starts talking about slaughterhouses or even why vegetarianism is healthier for her, I recognize myself wanting to change the subject. It’s because I think I should perhaps try eating less meat but really there are reasons why I don’t want to. I think it’s the same with this whole topic. People tend to think there is value in diversity as a whole but get annoyed when having to confront for themselves how low they prioritize it. It’s why they feel others are “lecturing” them. If you truly thought it was crazy talk, you wouldn’t care.

I don’t have an issue with diversity, just people who are pompous. If you can’t express yourself without sounding like someone with a superiority complex, you need to work on you.

The pomposity immediately came on this thread from people ridiculing kids and parents who value it.

Nope, from the get go we got my kids don’t want to mix with white kids from non diverse parts of the country and highly selective schools that I don’t think are diverse enough for my kid (Wake and Davidson) are their safeties. I guess folks here are pompous and insulting all the time so they don’t have self awareness of how they come off.

Most countries are non-diverse. You will have to learn to deal with people from non-diverse places.

The rationalizations for UMC white kids to go majority white colleges are endless. As if going to Notre Dame or Boston College is going to help someone who ends up in Japan or the Democratic Republic of Congo.

But going to a diverse school with lots of international students just might.

Why wouldn't they be prepared? Lots of made up reasons to just support your bigotry in choosing a school based on skin color.

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Anonymous wrote:Diversity was not a top consideration for either of my kids in selecting colleges.They are cis white kids.

With my first kid was going through the college application process, I remember discussing this with very left friends. They all said how important diversity was for their (white) kids, how their (white) kids couldn't imagine going to a college that wasn't diverse and they were shocked! that my kid didn't put diversity as the number one factor in choosing a college.

Fast forward a year when they made their college decisions. My cis white kid goes to their top pick - which happens to be in a red state (the horrors!). They picked this college due to academics, good merit money and I could tell from the first time I saw them on a tour of campus, they had an ease with the college that they didn't have with any other college.

My friends' kids went to very liberal NE, small liberal arts colleges. Top ranked.

Guess which kid is having the college experience with the most diversity? Diversity of skin color, diversity of thought, etc.?

What I came to understand with my friends' kids...(those kids are white but aren't cis.) They just wanted to go to schools where there was a sizeable population of kids just like them. Suddenly, when push came to shove, the gay kid was okay with going to a primarily white school because at least there was a sizeable gay population. The woke, blue hair kid just wanted to go to the prestigious, highly ranked woke liberal arts school that had a high percentage of white, woke, blue haired type of kids.

For everybody, there is no unicorn of a college that has all the characteristics one is looking for - affordable, strong academics, location, prestige/ranking. Something has to give - and for white kids, that usually means they will give up diversity before giving up one of the other characteristics.

I am a PP whose white cis kids value diversity. But I have definitely encountered (mostly private school) kids like this. They can't handle having their ideas challenged.

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Anonymous wrote:So what are we to infer from this thread? Many whites do not value diversity? You just tolerate non-white people? And that you'd be equally as happy to be at an all white institution. I find this utterly depressing.

Also you keep asking if we are in more "woke" times, but for many of us, this is our current reality. I don't want to send my kid to a school that only has 3% of other kids that look like him. That sounds horrible.

It means that people value other things more than just what their classmates look like. We all have our own priorities.

But that is not it. Lots of people on this thread saying people who value being in a diverse environment are “woke” or crazy. It’s not just that some people don’t care, they actively denigrate those who may consider diversity at all.

No, I am denigrating people who can’t write a post about diversity without being righteous. Just because one values diversity one is not better than wide swaths of the country that are less diverse.

If you don’t believe diversity is important and your kid does not, why does it matter to you that others find it valuable? Is there any way that someone can express that opinion (on an anonymous message board, natch) that doesn’t strike you as performative?

A different example - I have found generally vegetarians to be annoying. Mostly because I agree with them on the morality of industrial meat production that I support through my purchases. Obviously if a friend is vegetarian, I am not at all annoyed if she chooses a vegetarian meal when we go out to dinner together. However, if someone starts talking about slaughterhouses or even why vegetarianism is healthier for her, I recognize myself wanting to change the subject. It’s because I think I should perhaps try eating less meat but really there are reasons why I don’t want to. I think it’s the same with this whole topic. People tend to think there is value in diversity as a whole but get annoyed when having to confront for themselves how low they prioritize it. It’s why they feel others are “lecturing” them. If you truly thought it was crazy talk, you wouldn’t care.

I don’t have an issue with diversity, just people who are pompous. If you can’t express yourself without sounding like someone with a superiority complex, you need to work on you.

The pomposity immediately came on this thread from people ridiculing kids and parents who value it.

Nope, from the get go we got my kids don’t want to mix with white kids from non diverse parts of the country and highly selective schools that I don’t think are diverse enough for my kid (Wake and Davidson) are their safeties. I guess folks here are pompous and insulting all the time so they don’t have self awareness of how they come off.

Most countries are non-diverse. You will have to learn to deal with people from non-diverse places.

The rationalizations for UMC white kids to go majority white colleges are endless. As if going to Notre Dame or Boston College is going to help someone who ends up in Japan or the Democratic Republic of Congo.

But going to a diverse school with lots of international students just might.

I’m white, and would be fully supportive if my DC wanted to go to a college that was majority minority. (At least half of DC’s friends are minorities.)

I would also be fully supportive if my white DC wanted to go to a college that had majority white student body.

Why should a white kid automatically reject going to a college that is majority white? Nobody blinks an eye when a Black student goes to Howard. Nobody thinks it’s strange when an Asian student goes to a majority Asian university, etc.

Wrote the post that you responded to. Agree, would have supported my DS wherever he wanted to go. As should any parent unless there is something really crazy about it.

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My kid is “White-passing” bilingual Hispanic (their first language at home was Spanish). Their high school friend group is mostly white (fcps). They will probably attend a majority white university (large flagship), but their program is diverse, compared to the general student body. I hope all goes well for them, and they don’t experience ethnic/racial micro-agressions, like I did in college.

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Anonymous wrote:As far as reach-schools, what percentage of the college are BIPOCs, and is diversity likely to sway your child’s decision?

For my white kid, noticeable lack of diversity was a concern.

One issue is that, at a school where all of the kids “are white,” types of white might suddenly matter. We’re not Mayflower white.

This can’t be a real conversation…

Just wait ‘til your kid starts college in the Fall; this will not only be a “real conversation,” for the first half of freshman year, it will be the ONLY conversation.

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What the heck is this thread??? Dueling chat bots?