CogAT this year for 2nd grade

[Anonymous]

Oh, and by the way, that is the cultural trademark of the Tiger Mom. She does not emphasize IQ, or raw ability, but aggressively instills a work ethic that demands, for example, six straight hours of practice at the violin.

[Anonymous]

Equating a 7-year-old sitting down for 30 min/day to read, write and do math with aggressively instilling a work ethic that demands, for example, six straight hours of practice at the violin is simply a tribute to your twisted confusion. Don't make a mountain out of a mole hill.

Families with children capable of sitting down for 30 min/day to read and write are not anomalies despite your opposition. Why do you fear or oppose this in 7-yr-old children? Do you think such practise will dumb down your children? Erode their IQ? Lead to suicide?ead to failure?

Don't get to carried away with the AAP?

[Anonymous]

Equating a 7-year-old sitting down for 30 min/day to read, write and do math with aggressively instilling a work ethic that demands, for example, six straight hours of practice at the violin is simply a tribute to your twisted confusion. Don't make a mountain out of a mole hill.

Families with children capable of sitting down for 30 min/day to read and write are not anomalies despite your opposition. Why do you fear or oppose this in 7-yr-old children? Do you think such practise will dumb down your children? Erode their IQ? Lead to suicide?ead to failure?

Don't get to carried away with the AAP?

More like a lack of sense of proportionality (IQ). Making a tiger out of a kitten!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Take your kids to the grocery store and throw some challenging problems at them. I think they'll like it.

Try Art of Problem Solving website for challenging problems. My kids found Number Theory and Algebra 1 superb. There Alcumus link has a bank of really challenging and fun problems. If you are seeking problem solving I think your child may like it; but, if he or she can't sit at a computer interface for 30 min solving really hard and fun problems it may be too advanced and you might want to try back in a couple of years with improved attention span or when the child tires of and outgrows the games you play in the grocery store.

Thanks! We'll add this to the sites that the kid can visit. We're always looking for good recommendations. The kid can and does sit still for more than 30 minutes on a problem. As I said, our grocery games were done through the input of our school...they are NOT preschool games. It's a practical application of what the kid learned in school. You can make it as easy or as hard as you like.

Finally, despite some peoples derision for cereal boxes, it's a key part of one of the first assignments in AAP. It causes a lot of stress from the kids every year, because they aren't used to that type of assignment. My kid can't wait to do it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think maybe the point is that a hardworking person who has the underlying talent will do better than someone who is hardworking but doesn't have the underlying talent.
I can spend hours a day at batting practice, but if I do not have a talent for baseball, I might improve my hitting, but I will not make the pros.
Sports coaches look for gifted athletes, then the hard work of practice makes them into outstanding players. Hard work can not make a great player out of someone without talent.
Talent plus hard work will always win out over hard work without talent.

Thank you! I love you.

CogAt = points from raw talent
GBRS and NNAT = points from effort and hardwork

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think maybe the point is that a hardworking person who has the underlying talent will do better than someone who is hardworking but doesn't have the underlying talent.
I can spend hours a day at batting practice, but if I do not have a talent for baseball, I might improve my hitting, but I will not make the pros.
Sports coaches look for gifted athletes, then the hard work of practice makes them into outstanding players. Hard work can not make a great player out of someone without talent.
Talent plus hard work will always win out over hard work without talent.

Thank you! I love you.

CogAt = points from raw talent
GBRS and NNAT = points from effort and hardwork

GBRS - thinking outside the box; sense of humor; ability to concentrate on complex tasks for long periods etc, is product of effort and hardwork? I think you are quite wrong about that.

[Anonymous]

I think parent at 10:42 just made the total opposite from what should be.

[Anonymous]

23:59 to 6:19 -- I am not the person who was advocating cereal box exercises over 30 minutes of workbooks. I was simply adding on to my prior discussion of Outliers (which talks about the phenomenon of six-hour violin practice sessions). My only point is that, in his book, Gladwell makes a persuasive argument that once you hit a certain threshold level of intelligence (about 130 IQ), hard work and good luck take over as far as determining your fate (success vs. failure). We on this board sometimes get so hyped up over the IQ number that we fail to instill in our children the ethic (so strong in the Asian community, according to Gladwell) that hard work is what sets the successful people apart from the rest of the herd. So, I guess I'm really agreeing with you that it makes sense not to coddle our kids too much by making them expect that the learning process will be Fun, Fun, Fun all the time . . . sometimes they just have to be able to sit down, apply themselves, and do something they might rather not do (like 30 minutes in a workbook, which seems pretty reasonable to mel).

[Anonymous]

No...based on this this board (this and other threads)

CogAT: Raw talent + drive of parents to push their kids/1000

NNAT: Like CogAT but less reliable

GBRS: Parent bribing school officials by excessive volunteering

WISC: FCPS tax on parents who want to bribe there kids into AAP

[Anonymous]

to 11:56 -- your points are funny.

if any of you have read the Tiger mom's book, I hope that you agree with me that SOME of her points make absolute sense. read the book yourself to decide.

I agree though that above a certain threshold of IQ, hard working and luck start to play a bigger role in what you do. other factors -- EQ and a good look.

so luck, EQ, IQ, hardworking, and good looking should be the most important factors to your success! good luck!

[Anonymous]

11:56 here: Clearly work pays off. But it can also burn out a child. My personal experience is often the children that are pushed so hard to excel lose some of the creativity. Or perhaps, the pushing allows non-creative people to appear to be gifted.

I have seen that with people with stellar college grades and near perfect GRE's not cut it preparing a thesis: the first time they had to come up with there own ideas.

[Anonymous]

23:59 here. Agreed, and without harping too much on the book, Gladwell makes that point. The kid (with a threshold level of raw ability) who practices violin six hours a day will likely land the job as first violin in a professional orchestra, but will not necessarily be able to compose original music.

[Anonymous]

Thinking-out-of-the box is associated with creativity. but you have to spend time thinking, or working. not being able to focus or calming down and working alone will not land you a PhD degree or anything close to Bill Gates, Michael Dell or Warren Buffet. dont you think that a lot of people wandering on streets or in jails are having too much 'creativity' or imagination on their mind? case in point, the just acquitted Casey Anthony is full of imagining friends and lies. she is for sure having no idea of hard working in her upbring.

there is always a balance-tradeoff in our lives -- you just have to figure out the best possible way to make you and your kids successful. if she/he is a wild child, structure and discipline are more important than other things. think and be smart!!!!

[Anonymous]

I'm all ears to learn how to think out of the box when you don't know your ABCs, multiplication tables, division and fractions and can't read for a 30 min sitting. One needs tools in your thinking tool kit before one can think within or outside the box!

Don't try to run before you can walk. The human body and mind does not work in that fashion

[Anonymous]

PP: Another way to put it is you can not think outside the box until you understand what the box is.