Charlie Kirk shot at Utah Valley University

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Anonymous wrote:I shouldn't have watched the video. It's truly awful.

The turn that we are taking in country is truly appalling - our inability to listen, and talk rather than shout each other down just makes me sick.

Where is civil debate and discourse?

Not a Trump supporter at all, think he is truly the worst thing to happen to US politics.

Civil discourse is fine. Fox spews outright lies. Lies from the white house podium. Lies in congressional hearings. Compromise is a dirty word. If little kids get shot and boom cares then all these lifers can get shot and we won't care.
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Anonymous wrote:Gavin Newsom has more decency and compassion than some of the DCUM regulars.


DCUM regulars are not politicians. But, yes, Newsom has more decency and compassion than Trump, too.


At least Trump's consistent. He's done what he can.

“We must all pray for Charlie Kirk, who has been shot,” Trump wrote on Truth Social.

“A great guy from top to bottom. GOD BLESS HIM!” the president continued.

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/charlie-kirk-shot-utah-09-10-25#cmfecs0yl00053b6njqdphogl

He has not done what he can from the standpoint of making sure that there are no loopholes in gun control.
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From a lot of these comments, and from recent events in Charlotte and elsewhere. People have lost their humanity and empathy. I'm scared of the world we live in. People should be able to have verbal discussions and differences in opinion without the fear of being shot. Something is terribly wrong in this country and it's not just the guns. It's the mindset and a total disregard for human life. Because of these recent events, I've decided to seek certification to conceal carry for myself and every other member of my family this year, plus get private lessons.
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Why are people acting like he’s already dead? They got him quickly to the hospital.
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Anonymous wrote:I’m really appalled at some of the reactions I saw on Bluesky. Violence is not the answer (obviously), he didn’t deserve to be shot, and this is only putting us at risk for some reichstag fire and escalation.


I have yet to see anything other than outrage at political violence and prayers for Kirk, on Blueskye/the left. I am curious as that what posts you are seeing that are causing problems for you.


Chris Kluwe reposted the “me sowing/me reaping” meme. Also lots of people posting that clip where he says “unfortunately we are going to have some gun deaths.”

As I said in my follow up, tasteless but not justifying it and most posts are rightly condemning.


I am not seeing the problem with posting Kirk's own quotes.


Because all gun violence should be condemned. Mentioning that quote the context of a convo or an article about him would be fine but simply posting that (and only that) moments after he’s been shot is different and if you can’t see that I don’t know what to tell you.

It’s the type of reaction Trump would have if someone he was opposed to was shot, tbh. Personally, I don’t want to be anything like Trump but maybe you don’t mind it.


NP. Your belief is that all gun violence should be condemned, but that's not Charlie Kirk's belief. He thinks gun violence, and specifically political gun violence, is valuable enough that the power to commit such violence should be a constitutional right.


You are full of shit.


This is some more of what he said:

"The Second Amendment is there, God forbid, so that you can defend yourself against a tyrannical government. And if that talk scares you-- wow, that's radical, Charlie, I don't know about that. Well, then you have not really read any of the literature of our Founding Fathers. Number two, you've not read any 20th century history. You're just living in Narnia. By the way, if you're actually living in Narnia, you would be wiser than wherever you're living, because C.S. Lewis was really smart. So I don't know what alternative universe you're living in. You just don't want to face reality that governments tend to get tyrannical and that if people need an ability to protect themselves and their communities and their families."

"Defend yourself against a tyrannical government" is another way of saying (a particular type of) political violence. He supports that. I imagine a lot of us do, even many of the people talking about how violence is never the answer, but Charlie Kirk definitely does. He thinks there's a time and place to shoot people for political reasons. That's not "full of shit" that's the truth.
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Anonymous wrote:I shouldn't have watched the video. It's truly awful.

The turn that we are taking in country is truly appalling - our inability to listen, and talk rather than shout each other down just makes me sick.

Where is civil debate and discourse?

Not a Trump supporter at all, think he is truly the worst thing to happen to US politics.


Very purposeful division driven by the internet and media. As someone earlier said in the post, it’s getting to the point where people are self radicalizing from the internet.
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Anonymous wrote:Boomers are getting radicalized on the internet. I’m not even kidding, it’s self-radicalization the same as how young people in the Middle East get recruited to ISIS and Al-Qaida. Check on your boomer parents and their social media usage.


Because their social security and medicaid/medicare are getting taken away.
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Anonymous wrote:There is no way he can live from that gun shot, that was a massive hole to his neck.

Somebody on CNN said he was stable and breathing.


Then he'll die from blood loss. He's a goner. Sad because he's a dad but also, the sacrifice Americans must make to protect our other rights.


You folks really are truly insane.


You realize I'm just quoting Charlie Kirk??? That's hilarious!

Charlie Kirk Says Gun Deaths ‘Unfortunately’ Worth it to Keep 2nd Amendment

https://www.newsweek.com/charlie-kirk-says-gun-deaths-worth-it-2nd-amendment-1793113
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Anonymous wrote:From a lot of these comments, and from recent events in Charlotte and elsewhere. People have lost their humanity and empathy. I'm scared of the world we live in. People should be able to have verbal discussions and differences in opinion without the fear of being shot. Something is terribly wrong in this country and it's not just the guns. It's the mindset and a total disregard for human life. Because of these recent events, I've decided to seek certification to conceal carry for myself and every other member of my family this year, plus get private lessons.


GUNS! GUNS! GUNS!

YES THAT IS THE ANSWER.
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Anonymous wrote:A man who spewed vile, hateful and violent rhetoric.was shot by a violent and hateful person.. .


In this country, we don’t shoot people for saying things we don’t like.
Right! We shoot them at church or in their classroom like a real American.
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Anonymous wrote:A man who spewed vile, hateful and violent rhetoric.was shot by a violent and hateful person.. .


In this country, we don’t shoot people for saying things we don’t like.


Since when?

Trump put armed guards in cities for this exact reason.

Charlie Kirk: “It’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment”

Republicans also supported Alex Jones when he denied Sandy Hook over and over again. People lost their children for god's sake! That was Alex Jone's first Amendment right.

My first Amendment right is the same Charlie Kirk getting shot is his own fault.
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Anonymous wrote:I shouldn't have watched the video. It's truly awful.

The turn that we are taking in country is truly appalling - our inability to listen, and talk rather than shout each other down just makes me sick.

Where is civil debate and discourse?

Not a Trump supporter at all, think he is truly the worst thing to happen to US politics.

Civil discourse is fine. Fox spews outright lies. Lies from the white house podium. Lies in congressional hearings. Compromise is a dirty word. If little kids get shot and boom cares then all these lifers can get shot and we won't care.


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Because one shooting isn't enough . . .

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Anonymous wrote:From a lot of these comments, and from recent events in Charlotte and elsewhere. People have lost their humanity and empathy. I'm scared of the world we live in. People should be able to have verbal discussions and differences in opinion without the fear of being shot. Something is terribly wrong in this country and it's not just the guns. It's the mindset and a total disregard for human life. Because of these recent events, I've decided to seek certification to conceal carry for myself and every other member of my family this year, plus get private lessons.


To what end? You think you're going to get in a gun fight and just walk away? Or that you'll be able to defend yourself in time? Absurd.
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Between this and Charlotte the Republicans are going to have a field day. This week is Butler 2.0.
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