Travis Kelce and Taylor Swift engaged!

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Anonymous wrote:I am always happy when people with seemingly loving, functional relationships decide to get married. Good for them.

Now celeb snark: their announcement is cheesy AF and honestly gives me secondhand embarrassment. It somehow feels like both a knockoff of the way Hailey Steinfeld and Josh Allen announced their engagement last year, but more cringey and embarrassing and like it was photographed at the mall. You are mega-rich celebrities! Can you not do better than this??

Also the cheesiness and style of the engagement announcement indicates that they are planning on being somewhat public about the wedding and associated events, and that's going to bring the hate on. This feels like it's headed in the direction of a Bezos/Sanchez style event that is just an endless parade of conspicuous consumption. I would have respected them so much more if they'd skipped the public engagement and gotten married quietly at one of their numerous existing mansions with family and close friends in attendance. Instead it looks like we are probably lining up for a long series of wedding-related events with pap walks and tons of gossip over the guest lists and lots of needlessly wasteful flights on private jets all over the world and some over-the-top magazine spread breathlessly detailing every feature of their billion dollar wedding with 14 costume changes and every guest taking home Super Bowl tickets and a diamond necklace.

I hope I'm wrong but this feels over the top in an obnoxious way, sorry.

Bezos -Santos desecration of Venice is exactly what I thought of with this comment. Cheesy at the mall is preferable for mega-rich celebrities rather than what that other vile couple did. I hope TS realizes that. She gets enough hate with her jet.

1) She deserves the hate she gets for her jet. Her lifestyle is gross. Just because I like her music and respect her career does not mean I have to endorse the way these people live. That's how the mega-rich candy coat their obscene behavior so the rest of us stay quiet.

2) A lot of people go main character syndrome when they get married, this announcement indicates these two are no different. That's how Sanchez/Bezos spiraled into what it was. I think we are in for a lot of very cringey behavior with this one, sorry. It won't make me feel any differently about her music but we need to be objective about celebrities. If this turns into a multi-month extravaganza with destination everything, I will criticize the crap out of it, I don't care. Billionaires are a policy failure.

Policy failure? 🤦‍♀️

You're just mad you didn't start a virtual book store in your garage.

Stop being so resentful. You will feel better

It's 2025, have you really never heard "billionaires are a policy failure" before? And no, criticizing the disgusting overconsumption by the billionaire class, which does include Swift unfortunately, is not something that can be hand waived away with "you're just jealous."

And I do resent them, but not for having anything I want. I resent them for annihilating the planet that I would like to still be a functional place to live for kid and grandkids via private jets and elaborate parties. You should resent them for this too! You can be in love and get married without being disgusting and over consumptive, someone should let them know.

I'm not the person you quoted, but I get the frustration about private jets and overconsumption. That’s a legit criticism. But I think some of the anger gets misdirected. Celebrities like Taylor Swift are just operating within a system that’s designed to reward them for being as big and marketable as possible. The culture that makes it normal for entertainers to become billionaires (and for industries to profit massively off of them) is what allows this.

Blaming individuals for participating in a machine that society built feels like missing the bigger picture. If we really want change, it’s about addressing the policies, tax codes, and industries that enable this level of wealth and excess, not expecting one person to opt out of a system that would keep running whether they fly private or not.

So to be clear.... Taylor Swift is merely a victim of the Billionaire Industrial Complex? And that's why she has to take a private jet to dinner sometimes?

Honey, no.

No, not a “victim” at all. She benefits from the system, absolutely. My point is just that focusing all the outrage on one person misses the forest for the trees. If she sold every jet tomorrow, nothing would change because the system that creates and rewards that kind of excess would still exist. Critique her choices, sure, but let’s not pretend she’s the root cause; she’s a very visible symptom.

Look you can choose to burn jet fuel like it's rainwater or not. She chooses to do so. I can criticize her for that. She's a billionaire, she's not trapped by the system -- she IS the system. She and the other billionaires dictate everything. I am an actual nobody who just suffers the consequences, and I am not going to sit here and pretend that Taylor Swift is just a cog in the machine. She worked hard to get to the top so she doesn't have to be a cog, she can and should use her status, money, and power to stop destroying the the planet.

And yes I would say this about any billionaire, I don't just focus on Swift because she's a woman and a celebrity artist. But also being a woman and an artist do not exempt her from my criticism either.

Fair enough. Nobody’s saying she shouldn’t be criticized. Using private jets constantly is objectively bad for the planet. But I don’t agree that she “IS the system.” She’s a powerful participant, sure, but she didn’t build the tax codes, deregulation, or industries that allow this level of wealth and consumption to exist. Holding individuals accountable is fine, but focusing all the outrage on one person lets the actual structures off the hook.

It’s possible to say, “Yes, she should do better with her influence” and also admit that even if she did, the system would still churn out the next billionaire doing the same thing.

Your are bending over backwards to make an exception for her because you like her music and public persona.

I also like her music but make no exception. And I think her public persona is part of a very contrived effort to make sure people are cooing over her engagement photos instead of paying attention to her bad-billionaire behavior. The system does not "churn out" billionaires. There are only two kinds: the people who inherited it and the people who earned it. Taylor is one of the ones who earned it, but pretending that she is somehow fundamentally different from Bezos or Zuck because she has vastly superior marketing for her brand is just being blind.

If Taylor wants to be a "good" billionaire, she can prove it. Getting engaged to a football star doesn't do it for me.

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Life is so hard as a childless billionaire with a private jet.

+1. Plus she is a healthy, white, blonde, pretty daughter of a finance guy who moved their whole life to support her passions. Yet she thinks we “wouldn't last an hour in the asylum where they raised me.” Mmmkey.

No wonder all her prior boyfriends who had actual intellect and education left her.

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Will the totally not closeted gay jock still be doing boys trips with his zesty bachelor buddies?

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She's more of an Art teacher but I'll take it!

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Anonymous wrote:I am always happy when people with seemingly loving, functional relationships decide to get married. Good for them.

Now celeb snark: their announcement is cheesy AF and honestly gives me secondhand embarrassment. It somehow feels like both a knockoff of the way Hailey Steinfeld and Josh Allen announced their engagement last year, but more cringey and embarrassing and like it was photographed at the mall. You are mega-rich celebrities! Can you not do better than this??

Also the cheesiness and style of the engagement announcement indicates that they are planning on being somewhat public about the wedding and associated events, and that's going to bring the hate on. This feels like it's headed in the direction of a Bezos/Sanchez style event that is just an endless parade of conspicuous consumption. I would have respected them so much more if they'd skipped the public engagement and gotten married quietly at one of their numerous existing mansions with family and close friends in attendance. Instead it looks like we are probably lining up for a long series of wedding-related events with pap walks and tons of gossip over the guest lists and lots of needlessly wasteful flights on private jets all over the world and some over-the-top magazine spread breathlessly detailing every feature of their billion dollar wedding with 14 costume changes and every guest taking home Super Bowl tickets and a diamond necklace.

I hope I'm wrong but this feels over the top in an obnoxious way, sorry.

Just so casually announced a week before the NFL season starts. I can't roll my eyes enough.

Frankly it is the only day they could do this until the Superbowl. Can't do it preseason because that would distract from the team. Preseason ended and today is Travis' last off day. Can't do it once the season starts except maybe the bye week. It would distract from the team and there is no time to pull it all off.

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Anonymous wrote:Will the totally not closeted gay jock still be doing boys trips with his zesty bachelor buddies?

There are a lot of things to say about Travis good and bad. But gay is not one of them. It would be tough to find a more hetro guy.

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Anonymous wrote:fascinating how pps who "couldn't care less" actually care a great deal

And post here, and then complain about the attention these guys are getting, when they're contributing to it. Cannot fathom what they're thinking. If I'm not into a celebrity, and they're not breaking any laws that would concern me, I wouldn't ever think to post about them. It's just so weird. And the sheer amount of hate is unhealthy. And they're also just ignorant about a lot of facts - not opinions, facts. Bizarre.

I don't agree with all the haters (I agree with the criticism of Taylor's jet use but a lot of the other criticisms are petty). However, it's all fair game. If people can come into this thread and talk about how much they love Tay & Trav and how perfect this announcement is and talk about how the flowers reference her "secret garden" song lyric... well then other people can come here and talk about how it all seems cheesy and contrived or whatever the objection is.

There are many Taylor fan sites where they don't allow that kind of thing, but this isn't one of them and if you aren't ready to hear all the different perspectives, this is not a good place to discuss your favorite celeb!

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Anonymous wrote:Will the totally not closeted gay jock still be doing boys trips with his zesty bachelor buddies?

There are a lot of things to say about Travis good and bad. But gay is not one of them. It would be tough to find a more hetro guy.

SNL did a whole skit on him being the hetro BF to gay guys. It's spot on, you should go watch.

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Anonymous wrote:I am always happy when people with seemingly loving, functional relationships decide to get married. Good for them.

Now celeb snark: their announcement is cheesy AF and honestly gives me secondhand embarrassment. It somehow feels like both a knockoff of the way Hailey Steinfeld and Josh Allen announced their engagement last year, but more cringey and embarrassing and like it was photographed at the mall. You are mega-rich celebrities! Can you not do better than this??

Also the cheesiness and style of the engagement announcement indicates that they are planning on being somewhat public about the wedding and associated events, and that's going to bring the hate on. This feels like it's headed in the direction of a Bezos/Sanchez style event that is just an endless parade of conspicuous consumption. I would have respected them so much more if they'd skipped the public engagement and gotten married quietly at one of their numerous existing mansions with family and close friends in attendance. Instead it looks like we are probably lining up for a long series of wedding-related events with pap walks and tons of gossip over the guest lists and lots of needlessly wasteful flights on private jets all over the world and some over-the-top magazine spread breathlessly detailing every feature of their billion dollar wedding with 14 costume changes and every guest taking home Super Bowl tickets and a diamond necklace.

I hope I'm wrong but this feels over the top in an obnoxious way, sorry.

Bezos -Santos desecration of Venice is exactly what I thought of with this comment. Cheesy at the mall is preferable for mega-rich celebrities rather than what that other vile couple did. I hope TS realizes that. She gets enough hate with her jet.

1) She deserves the hate she gets for her jet. Her lifestyle is gross. Just because I like her music and respect her career does not mean I have to endorse the way these people live. That's how the mega-rich candy coat their obscene behavior so the rest of us stay quiet.

2) A lot of people go main character syndrome when they get married, this announcement indicates these two are no different. That's how Sanchez/Bezos spiraled into what it was. I think we are in for a lot of very cringey behavior with this one, sorry. It won't make me feel any differently about her music but we need to be objective about celebrities. If this turns into a multi-month extravaganza with destination everything, I will criticize the crap out of it, I don't care. Billionaires are a policy failure.

Policy failure? 🤦‍♀️

You're just mad you didn't start a virtual book store in your garage.

Stop being so resentful. You will feel better

It's 2025, have you really never heard "billionaires are a policy failure" before? And no, criticizing the disgusting overconsumption by the billionaire class, which does include Swift unfortunately, is not something that can be hand waived away with "you're just jealous."

And I do resent them, but not for having anything I want. I resent them for annihilating the planet that I would like to still be a functional place to live for kid and grandkids via private jets and elaborate parties. You should resent them for this too! You can be in love and get married without being disgusting and over consumptive, someone should let them know.

I'm not the person you quoted, but I get the frustration about private jets and overconsumption. That’s a legit criticism. But I think some of the anger gets misdirected. Celebrities like Taylor Swift are just operating within a system that’s designed to reward them for being as big and marketable as possible. The culture that makes it normal for entertainers to become billionaires (and for industries to profit massively off of them) is what allows this.

Blaming individuals for participating in a machine that society built feels like missing the bigger picture. If we really want change, it’s about addressing the policies, tax codes, and industries that enable this level of wealth and excess, not expecting one person to opt out of a system that would keep running whether they fly private or not.

So to be clear.... Taylor Swift is merely a victim of the Billionaire Industrial Complex? And that's why she has to take a private jet to dinner sometimes?

Honey, no.

No, not a “victim” at all. She benefits from the system, absolutely. My point is just that focusing all the outrage on one person misses the forest for the trees. If she sold every jet tomorrow, nothing would change because the system that creates and rewards that kind of excess would still exist. Critique her choices, sure, but let’s not pretend she’s the root cause; she’s a very visible symptom.

Look you can choose to burn jet fuel like it's rainwater or not. She chooses to do so. I can criticize her for that. She's a billionaire, she's not trapped by the system -- she IS the system. She and the other billionaires dictate everything. I am an actual nobody who just suffers the consequences, and I am not going to sit here and pretend that Taylor Swift is just a cog in the machine. She worked hard to get to the top so she doesn't have to be a cog, she can and should use her status, money, and power to stop destroying the the planet.

And yes I would say this about any billionaire, I don't just focus on Swift because she's a woman and a celebrity artist. But also being a woman and an artist do not exempt her from my criticism either.

Fair enough. Nobody’s saying she shouldn’t be criticized. Using private jets constantly is objectively bad for the planet. But I don’t agree that she “IS the system.” She’s a powerful participant, sure, but she didn’t build the tax codes, deregulation, or industries that allow this level of wealth and consumption to exist. Holding individuals accountable is fine, but focusing all the outrage on one person lets the actual structures off the hook.

It’s possible to say, “Yes, she should do better with her influence” and also admit that even if she did, the system would still churn out the next billionaire doing the same thing.

Your are bending over backwards to make an exception for her because you like her music and public persona.

I also like her music but make no exception. And I think her public persona is part of a very contrived effort to make sure people are cooing over her engagement photos instead of paying attention to her bad-billionaire behavior. The system does not "churn out" billionaires. There are only two kinds: the people who inherited it and the people who earned it. Taylor is one of the ones who earned it, but pretending that she is somehow fundamentally different from Bezos or Zuck because she has vastly superior marketing for her brand is just being blind.

If Taylor wants to be a "good" billionaire, she can prove it. Getting engaged to a football star doesn't do it for me.

There is nothing wrong with flying private. If you could you would. And if no one flew private it would not make a dent with the issues we have.

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Anonymous wrote:I am always happy when people with seemingly loving, functional relationships decide to get married. Good for them.

Now celeb snark: their announcement is cheesy AF and honestly gives me secondhand embarrassment. It somehow feels like both a knockoff of the way Hailey Steinfeld and Josh Allen announced their engagement last year, but more cringey and embarrassing and like it was photographed at the mall. You are mega-rich celebrities! Can you not do better than this??

Also the cheesiness and style of the engagement announcement indicates that they are planning on being somewhat public about the wedding and associated events, and that's going to bring the hate on. This feels like it's headed in the direction of a Bezos/Sanchez style event that is just an endless parade of conspicuous consumption. I would have respected them so much more if they'd skipped the public engagement and gotten married quietly at one of their numerous existing mansions with family and close friends in attendance. Instead it looks like we are probably lining up for a long series of wedding-related events with pap walks and tons of gossip over the guest lists and lots of needlessly wasteful flights on private jets all over the world and some over-the-top magazine spread breathlessly detailing every feature of their billion dollar wedding with 14 costume changes and every guest taking home Super Bowl tickets and a diamond necklace.

I hope I'm wrong but this feels over the top in an obnoxious way, sorry.

Just so casually announced a week before the NFL season starts. I can't roll my eyes enough.

Frankly it is the only day they could do this until the Superbowl. Can't do it preseason because that would distract from the team. Preseason ended and today is Travis' last off day. Can't do it once the season starts except maybe the bye week. It would distract from the team and there is no time to pull it all off.

Eh, I disagree. you could announce it during the bye week. Honestly, the focus and hoopla around them is so intense that if you really don't want it to be a distraction from the team, you would get engaged in March or April, get married in May, and by July when camp starts the fervor would have died down.

While I definitely don't think this is some kind of marketing effort by the NFL to encourage young kids to play football (lol) I do think it was likely a bit of a publicity stunt to do this *this* week. Right before his season starts and in the lead up to her new album release. It's worth millions in free advertising for both of them and it will mean maximum interest and press coverage when she shows up to one of his games in the next few weeks.

To argue they didn't time this for max attention strains credulity for me. They know what they are doing.

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Anonymous wrote:She's more of an Art teacher but I'll take it!

She’s a goddamn poet!

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Anonymous wrote:I am always happy when people with seemingly loving, functional relationships decide to get married. Good for them.

Now celeb snark: their announcement is cheesy AF and honestly gives me secondhand embarrassment. It somehow feels like both a knockoff of the way Hailey Steinfeld and Josh Allen announced their engagement last year, but more cringey and embarrassing and like it was photographed at the mall. You are mega-rich celebrities! Can you not do better than this??

Also the cheesiness and style of the engagement announcement indicates that they are planning on being somewhat public about the wedding and associated events, and that's going to bring the hate on. This feels like it's headed in the direction of a Bezos/Sanchez style event that is just an endless parade of conspicuous consumption. I would have respected them so much more if they'd skipped the public engagement and gotten married quietly at one of their numerous existing mansions with family and close friends in attendance. Instead it looks like we are probably lining up for a long series of wedding-related events with pap walks and tons of gossip over the guest lists and lots of needlessly wasteful flights on private jets all over the world and some over-the-top magazine spread breathlessly detailing every feature of their billion dollar wedding with 14 costume changes and every guest taking home Super Bowl tickets and a diamond necklace.

I hope I'm wrong but this feels over the top in an obnoxious way, sorry.

Bezos -Santos desecration of Venice is exactly what I thought of with this comment. Cheesy at the mall is preferable for mega-rich celebrities rather than what that other vile couple did. I hope TS realizes that. She gets enough hate with her jet.

1) She deserves the hate she gets for her jet. Her lifestyle is gross. Just because I like her music and respect her career does not mean I have to endorse the way these people live. That's how the mega-rich candy coat their obscene behavior so the rest of us stay quiet.

2) A lot of people go main character syndrome when they get married, this announcement indicates these two are no different. That's how Sanchez/Bezos spiraled into what it was. I think we are in for a lot of very cringey behavior with this one, sorry. It won't make me feel any differently about her music but we need to be objective about celebrities. If this turns into a multi-month extravaganza with destination everything, I will criticize the crap out of it, I don't care. Billionaires are a policy failure.

Policy failure? 🤦‍♀️

You're just mad you didn't start a virtual book store in your garage.

Stop being so resentful. You will feel better

It's 2025, have you really never heard "billionaires are a policy failure" before? And no, criticizing the disgusting overconsumption by the billionaire class, which does include Swift unfortunately, is not something that can be hand waived away with "you're just jealous."

And I do resent them, but not for having anything I want. I resent them for annihilating the planet that I would like to still be a functional place to live for kid and grandkids via private jets and elaborate parties. You should resent them for this too! You can be in love and get married without being disgusting and over consumptive, someone should let them know.

I'm not the person you quoted, but I get the frustration about private jets and overconsumption. That’s a legit criticism. But I think some of the anger gets misdirected. Celebrities like Taylor Swift are just operating within a system that’s designed to reward them for being as big and marketable as possible. The culture that makes it normal for entertainers to become billionaires (and for industries to profit massively off of them) is what allows this.

Blaming individuals for participating in a machine that society built feels like missing the bigger picture. If we really want change, it’s about addressing the policies, tax codes, and industries that enable this level of wealth and excess, not expecting one person to opt out of a system that would keep running whether they fly private or not.

So to be clear.... Taylor Swift is merely a victim of the Billionaire Industrial Complex? And that's why she has to take a private jet to dinner sometimes?

Honey, no.

No, not a “victim” at all. She benefits from the system, absolutely. My point is just that focusing all the outrage on one person misses the forest for the trees. If she sold every jet tomorrow, nothing would change because the system that creates and rewards that kind of excess would still exist. Critique her choices, sure, but let’s not pretend she’s the root cause; she’s a very visible symptom.

Look you can choose to burn jet fuel like it's rainwater or not. She chooses to do so. I can criticize her for that. She's a billionaire, she's not trapped by the system -- she IS the system. She and the other billionaires dictate everything. I am an actual nobody who just suffers the consequences, and I am not going to sit here and pretend that Taylor Swift is just a cog in the machine. She worked hard to get to the top so she doesn't have to be a cog, she can and should use her status, money, and power to stop destroying the the planet.

And yes I would say this about any billionaire, I don't just focus on Swift because she's a woman and a celebrity artist. But also being a woman and an artist do not exempt her from my criticism either.

Fair enough. Nobody’s saying she shouldn’t be criticized. Using private jets constantly is objectively bad for the planet. But I don’t agree that she “IS the system.” She’s a powerful participant, sure, but she didn’t build the tax codes, deregulation, or industries that allow this level of wealth and consumption to exist. Holding individuals accountable is fine, but focusing all the outrage on one person lets the actual structures off the hook.

It’s possible to say, “Yes, she should do better with her influence” and also admit that even if she did, the system would still churn out the next billionaire doing the same thing.

Your are bending over backwards to make an exception for her because you like her music and public persona.

I also like her music but make no exception. And I think her public persona is part of a very contrived effort to make sure people are cooing over her engagement photos instead of paying attention to her bad-billionaire behavior. The system does not "churn out" billionaires. There are only two kinds: the people who inherited it and the people who earned it. Taylor is one of the ones who earned it, but pretending that she is somehow fundamentally different from Bezos or Zuck because she has vastly superior marketing for her brand is just being blind.

If Taylor wants to be a "good" billionaire, she can prove it. Getting engaged to a football star doesn't do it for me.

There is nothing wrong with flying private. If you could you would. And if no one flew private it would not make a dent with the issues we have.

Yes, correct, there is zero environmental impact from flying small groups of individuals all over the world on a whim on jets.

If people stopped taking private jets it would have an impact on overall fuel emissions, dummy. It's actually one of the only activities where the actions of one person or a small group of people can have a big impact because private jets burn so much fuel.

The jets also support hugely consumptive lifestyles, it's part of a bigger picture where this tiny group of people uses exponentially more fossil fuels than millions of other people combined, but the millions bear the bigger brunt of the consequences for their actions.

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I love this for them I’m also enjoying people that have so much hate in their soul they argue about jets, Travis’s sexuality, a better time to announce, etc

Who hurt these people?

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Anonymous wrote:I am always happy when people with seemingly loving, functional relationships decide to get married. Good for them.

Now celeb snark: their announcement is cheesy AF and honestly gives me secondhand embarrassment. It somehow feels like both a knockoff of the way Hailey Steinfeld and Josh Allen announced their engagement last year, but more cringey and embarrassing and like it was photographed at the mall. You are mega-rich celebrities! Can you not do better than this??

Also the cheesiness and style of the engagement announcement indicates that they are planning on being somewhat public about the wedding and associated events, and that's going to bring the hate on. This feels like it's headed in the direction of a Bezos/Sanchez style event that is just an endless parade of conspicuous consumption. I would have respected them so much more if they'd skipped the public engagement and gotten married quietly at one of their numerous existing mansions with family and close friends in attendance. Instead it looks like we are probably lining up for a long series of wedding-related events with pap walks and tons of gossip over the guest lists and lots of needlessly wasteful flights on private jets all over the world and some over-the-top magazine spread breathlessly detailing every feature of their billion dollar wedding with 14 costume changes and every guest taking home Super Bowl tickets and a diamond necklace.

I hope I'm wrong but this feels over the top in an obnoxious way, sorry.

Bezos -Santos desecration of Venice is exactly what I thought of with this comment. Cheesy at the mall is preferable for mega-rich celebrities rather than what that other vile couple did. I hope TS realizes that. She gets enough hate with her jet.

1) She deserves the hate she gets for her jet. Her lifestyle is gross. Just because I like her music and respect her career does not mean I have to endorse the way these people live. That's how the mega-rich candy coat their obscene behavior so the rest of us stay quiet.

2) A lot of people go main character syndrome when they get married, this announcement indicates these two are no different. That's how Sanchez/Bezos spiraled into what it was. I think we are in for a lot of very cringey behavior with this one, sorry. It won't make me feel any differently about her music but we need to be objective about celebrities. If this turns into a multi-month extravaganza with destination everything, I will criticize the crap out of it, I don't care. Billionaires are a policy failure.

Policy failure? 🤦‍♀️

You're just mad you didn't start a virtual book store in your garage.

Stop being so resentful. You will feel better

It's 2025, have you really never heard "billionaires are a policy failure" before? And no, criticizing the disgusting overconsumption by the billionaire class, which does include Swift unfortunately, is not something that can be hand waived away with "you're just jealous."

And I do resent them, but not for having anything I want. I resent them for annihilating the planet that I would like to still be a functional place to live for kid and grandkids via private jets and elaborate parties. You should resent them for this too! You can be in love and get married without being disgusting and over consumptive, someone should let them know.

I'm not the person you quoted, but I get the frustration about private jets and overconsumption. That’s a legit criticism. But I think some of the anger gets misdirected. Celebrities like Taylor Swift are just operating within a system that’s designed to reward them for being as big and marketable as possible. The culture that makes it normal for entertainers to become billionaires (and for industries to profit massively off of them) is what allows this.

Blaming individuals for participating in a machine that society built feels like missing the bigger picture. If we really want change, it’s about addressing the policies, tax codes, and industries that enable this level of wealth and excess, not expecting one person to opt out of a system that would keep running whether they fly private or not.

So to be clear.... Taylor Swift is merely a victim of the Billionaire Industrial Complex? And that's why she has to take a private jet to dinner sometimes?

Honey, no.

No, not a “victim” at all. She benefits from the system, absolutely. My point is just that focusing all the outrage on one person misses the forest for the trees. If she sold every jet tomorrow, nothing would change because the system that creates and rewards that kind of excess would still exist. Critique her choices, sure, but let’s not pretend she’s the root cause; she’s a very visible symptom.

Look you can choose to burn jet fuel like it's rainwater or not. She chooses to do so. I can criticize her for that. She's a billionaire, she's not trapped by the system -- she IS the system. She and the other billionaires dictate everything. I am an actual nobody who just suffers the consequences, and I am not going to sit here and pretend that Taylor Swift is just a cog in the machine. She worked hard to get to the top so she doesn't have to be a cog, she can and should use her status, money, and power to stop destroying the the planet.

And yes I would say this about any billionaire, I don't just focus on Swift because she's a woman and a celebrity artist. But also being a woman and an artist do not exempt her from my criticism either.

Fair enough. Nobody’s saying she shouldn’t be criticized. Using private jets constantly is objectively bad for the planet. But I don’t agree that she “IS the system.” She’s a powerful participant, sure, but she didn’t build the tax codes, deregulation, or industries that allow this level of wealth and consumption to exist. Holding individuals accountable is fine, but focusing all the outrage on one person lets the actual structures off the hook.

It’s possible to say, “Yes, she should do better with her influence” and also admit that even if she did, the system would still churn out the next billionaire doing the same thing.

Your are bending over backwards to make an exception for her because you like her music and public persona.

I also like her music but make no exception. And I think her public persona is part of a very contrived effort to make sure people are cooing over her engagement photos instead of paying attention to her bad-billionaire behavior. The system does not "churn out" billionaires. There are only two kinds: the people who inherited it and the people who earned it. Taylor is one of the ones who earned it, but pretending that she is somehow fundamentally different from Bezos or Zuck because she has vastly superior marketing for her brand is just being blind.

If Taylor wants to be a "good" billionaire, she can prove it. Getting engaged to a football star doesn't do it for me.

Bending over backward? I just thought we were having a friendly debate. As far has me liking her, I don't like her music and have no opinion on her as a person. I grew up in NYC in the 90s. I grew up on '90s hip hop. I love Wu-Tang, Nas, A tribe called quest, MC Lyte, Dr. Dre, Lil Kim, Biggie, OutKast, Bone Thugs, etc. This is the music I still listen to today. It's not Taylor specifically; I don't like pop music in general, with a few exceptions like Madonna and maybe a few others.

I really don't have an opinion on their engagement. I do watch football, and since Kelce has been dating her, I've learned more about her.

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Anonymous wrote:Will the totally not closeted gay jock still be doing boys trips with his zesty bachelor buddies?

There are a lot of things to say about Travis good and bad. But gay is not one of them. It would be tough to find a more hetro guy.

lol.