Are we ready to admit that Woke & DEI and woke wasn’t what was holding you back from success?

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Anonymous wrote:OK MAGA, tell us how your life has improved now that you can be outwardly racist and misogynistic and you’ve put LGBTQ in their place? I want real life examples, not hypotheticals like bathrooms in some other county or school system that has nothing to do with you. Real examples of how you (or your white DH) have gotten ahead in your career, your kid has excelled in sports, etc. now that others can be decremented against again.

This thread has been done multiple times. Do a search. In the meantime, what do you think you're achieving here?

What do you think? Looking for real examples of how people’s lives have improved now that DEI and Woke are out of their way. It’s a simple question. Yet no one can answer.

Well for one thing, it helped take power from the DNC. So that's a win-win right there.

Military bases are being renamed back to what they were before. Your whole outlook of grievance politics based on 200 year old colonialism has been undermined.

The trans nonsense in the military has been KO'd. Reflecting upon it, democrats chose poorly and it's coming back to haunt them. Bigly.

It also has you opening threads about it. So, I guess you should tell us how it has disturbed you, your ideology and your forward progress on artificial grievances for 0.1% of the population that lead to monetary concessions.


Your turn.

The question was concrete examples of how your own life have improved. You haven’t listed any.

I gain immense satisfaction from the abundance of liberal- tears. All your whinging is like music to my ears. It is almost as enjoyable to me as watching an unqualified black kid get into Harvard is for you.

Your frustration at watching Trump break your DEI like a bull in a China shop instead of surgically removing the offensive parts brings me as much joy as the frustration of an Asian kid that was discriminated against brings to you

Still haven’t answered the question. Your racist glee is not an answer.

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Anonymous wrote:OK MAGA, tell us how your life has improved now that you can be outwardly racist and misogynistic and you’ve put LGBTQ in their place? I want real life examples, not hypotheticals like bathrooms in some other county or school system that has nothing to do with you. Real examples of how you (or your white DH) have gotten ahead in your career, your kid has excelled in sports, etc. now that others can be decremented against again.

This thread has been done multiple times. Do a search. In the meantime, what do you think you're achieving here?

What do you think? Looking for real examples of how people’s lives have improved now that DEI and Woke are out of their way. It’s a simple question. Yet no one can answer.

Well for one thing, it helped take power from the DNC. So that's a win-win right there.

Military bases are being renamed back to what they were before. Your whole outlook of grievance politics based on 200 year old colonialism has been undermined.

The trans nonsense in the military has been KO'd. Reflecting upon it, democrats chose poorly and it's coming back to haunt them. Bigly.

It also has you opening threads about it. So, I guess you should tell us how it has disturbed you, your ideology and your forward progress on artificial grievances for 0.1% of the population that lead to monetary concessions.


Your turn.

Well, if your only goal is to grab power, that is a problem. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

I’m not really worried about the DEI piece myself. I’m worried about the destruction of science and education. That will eventually hit the stock market HARD.

Don't worry your pretty little head about the science and education.

Trump is taking the whole "move fast, break things" approach to reform. Sure he's not just destroying the woke "science" and the woke "education" and there is a lot of collateral damage but it's temporary. Columbia will get it's funding back after they have paid a painful price for their wokeness, and so will the rest. As soon as they understand and acknowledge that their wokeness will have consequences going forward and pay those painful fines, we'll be back on track.

The consequences for wokeness is now a permanent fixture of American education.

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Anonymous wrote:I think this is just a question of perspective. For the brief year or two when DEI was everything, if you were white or Asian or Hispanic, especially a male, it seemed like every job or promotion in Fortune 500 companies or government was fixated on black folks, who were often unqualified or mediocre. So that led to some resentment. Because it wasn't about talent, but only race. Which I get from the black perspective. It's like, duh, welcome to the last 450 years. But it is 2025, and the sense is merit is a better way to do things than race-based hiring preferences.

And people go primal when it comes to livelihoods and their ability to feed their families. So I'm not surprised there was a huge shift among white, asian, and Hispanic men toward Republicans in the last election. Democrats aren't their party. Race-based hiring was garbage in 1825,1925, and 2025. So people will gravitate to organizations and companies that value talent, regardless of racial or ethnic background. And there are tons of great black professionals. But when people get prioritized for things they can't do anything about - race, gender, ethnicity - there's going to be a reaction among the unchosen people.

Since when are Hispanics not considered minorities alongside black people? This post is a strange attempt at fitting in with a group that Hispanics have never been part of.

There was a pretty big rightward shift among black men as well. Funny things is white voters shifted slightly towards Kamala. Everyone else shifted right

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Anonymous wrote:No one has been able to list a single thing that the elimination of DEI and woke has benefited them personally. Not talking about owning the libs or feeling smug about the country in general. Have you been promoted at work now that the pesky females and black folk are out of the way? Has your child decided they are in fact not gay now that they aren’t being “programmed” at school? Has your business thrived more now that there are no migrants? I want real examples.

You didn't seem to appreciate how important owning the libs was in all of this. How much the rest of the country wanted you to just shut up.

And even after all this you can't shut your mouth. Not a hint of self reflection. Not a whiff of humility in your loss. Well, I guess we'll have to do it again in 2028 until you're fellow travelers are the ones screaming at you to just shut the fook up.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know, OP, I'm mostly just happy that I don't have to look at ads with ugly people, spend every day of pride month being re-educated, or explain why I won't announce my pronouns at the start of a meeting.

Stock market is doing awesome. Everything is great. No complaints.

That’s nice. I’m looking forward to bigots like you being ostracized by your kids and dying alone in a nursing home.

is that what you did to your parents?

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DEI = racism.

Are democrats seriously still supporting racism??

I've heard both Kamala Harris and Ketanji Brown Jackson referred to as "DEI hires" by people like you. But which is more racist - the fact that they are the first Black female VP and SC justice respectively, or the fact that nobody who occupied those positions between 1789 and 2021 was a Black female?

NP. People said that because Biden literally said he was going to choose a woman of color for each of those positions. Why didn’t he just say he was going to choose the best person & then pick them anyway? He is partially at fault for this perception.

And yes of course racism & sexism kept people like them out for centuries.

That's the whole problem. There are TONS of qualified women and people of color who could serve as Vice President or SCOTUS justices, it's racism and acting like it's somehow unfair for any of them to be chosen that has kept them out of office.

Brett Kavanaugh isn’t exactly the finest legal mind of the 21st century, but nobody questioned his fitness on the grounds of his skin color or gender. It was just assumed he was qualified.

White men get a free pass on this stuff. If a black woman is chosen: “why didn’t he pick the best person?” The unexamined assumption there is that the real best person is somewhere out there among the ranks of white men, getting unfairly passed over.

Kavanaugh was elevated by the Heritage Foundation and chosen by Trump to enact a specific right wing judicial agenda that has nothing to do with how smart he is or how unbiased he is or where he went to law school. If Biden decides he wants a black woman on SCOTUS, it’s because he wants to diversify the bench with different perspectives. From that standpoint, such a candidate is indeed the best person.

You’re not getting it. Choosing a black woman is perfectly fine. Choosing a person BECAUSE she is a black woman is no better than choosing someone BECAUSE he is a white man. I know you likely don’t agree with that statement. But that’s how many Americans feel— that choosing people based on race doesn’t become “right” just because it’s a different race being chosen.

Prior PP is saying the woman was chosen because, in addition to being very well qualified, she has a background that gives her certain perspectives that are not represented on the bench but are a big part of our population. It’s not “BECAUSE she’s a black woman.”

Society is deciding that black skin inherently gives “certain perspectives that are not represented” when individual experience is determined by far more complex factors than skin color. I know plenty of black women who toe the line for wealthy and corrupt elements in our society and I know some white men who have very unique experiences that would be an asset for any organization. If you just look at skin color then you would miss this.

DEI was never about "just looking at skin color." The idea is that you take the qualified candidates, and if there are more than one candidates who are meet or exceed the qualifications in a similar way, THEN you look at demographics. So that DOES NOT mean passing over the uniquely qualified person who would be an unrivaled asset to the organization.

Ok, then explain why black students at Harvard have dramatically lower test scores than Asian and white students. In your version of events, they'd all be roughly the same.

Because DEI was elevated above merit. The premise was that those individuals with lower test scores were the result of poverty, discrimination, lack of opportunities, etc... The assumption was that if they were given the same opportunity as those who had earned it through meritorious achievement, they would perform the same. Statistics showed the exact opposite result.

Statistically, there are more whites than blacks in poverty (in absolute terms). It makes not mathematical sense to drop the standards for black people and expect the same results as the white group.

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Anonymous wrote:I think this is just a question of perspective. For the brief year or two when DEI was everything, if you were white or Asian or Hispanic, especially a male, it seemed like every job or promotion in Fortune 500 companies or government was fixated on black folks, who were often unqualified or mediocre. So that led to some resentment. Because it wasn't about talent, but only race. Which I get from the black perspective. It's like, duh, welcome to the last 450 years. But it is 2025, and the sense is merit is a better way to do things than race-based hiring preferences.

And people go primal when it comes to livelihoods and their ability to feed their families. So I'm not surprised there was a huge shift among white, asian, and Hispanic men toward Republicans in the last election. Democrats aren't their party. Race-based hiring was garbage in 1825,1925, and 2025. So people will gravitate to organizations and companies that value talent, regardless of racial or ethnic background. And there are tons of great black professionals. But when people get prioritized for things they can't do anything about - race, gender, ethnicity - there's going to be a reaction among the unchosen people.

That's a sweeping assumption that tells me 1) like most people, you don't understand what DEI means (to be fair, there are probably hiring managers who don't either and think it means some kind of vague quota system) 2)you really don't have specific facts to back that up, and it's mostly about people mistaking their feelings for reality.

From a January Forbes article:

Before DEI, a person’s career success (hiring, placement, portfolio projects, raises and promotions) might not have anything to do with merit. You could solely—and immediately—be included or excluded in the candidate pool based on nothing more than your gender, race, ethnicity, age, looks, friendships, family money, etc.

DEI has been designed and put in place to prevent this when possible. But even with DEI in place, it’s too often the case that meritless considerations are used to help people get ahead in life and in their careers. By meritless, I mean circumstances that have nothing to do with performance, knowledge, skills, abilities or education such as who you know, who they know, political affiliations, family legacy programs, beauty and attractiveness, transactional power plays, etc.

DEI isn’t about quotas. This is what people get wrong. DEI is not about putting unqualified people in jobs or hiring individuals because of gender, ethnicity, race, age, sexual preference, etc. It’s about hiring individuals—because they are highly qualified—regardless of their gender, ethnicity, race, age, sexual preference, etc. And, it’s about doing so with the knowledge that many people have historically been marginalized and disregarded as suitable job candidates precisely because of these factors.

Trump's administration is a very good example of a meritless system.

And yet black sat scores at top schools are 200 points lower than Asian sat scores.

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Anonymous wrote:No one has been able to list a single thing that the elimination of DEI and woke has benefited them personally. Not talking about owning the libs or feeling smug about the country in general. Have you been promoted at work now that the pesky females and black folk are out of the way? Has your child decided they are in fact not gay now that they aren’t being “programmed” at school? Has your business thrived more now that there are no migrants? I want real examples.

You didn't seem to appreciate how important owning the libs was in all of this. How much the rest of the country wanted you to just shut up.

And even after all this you can't shut your mouth. Not a hint of self reflection. Not a whiff of humility in your loss. Well, I guess we'll have to do it again in 2028 until you're fellow travelers are the ones screaming at you to just shut the fook up.

This is exactly right. It's time for the libs to sit their white asses down and listen.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know, OP, I'm mostly just happy that I don't have to look at ads with ugly people, spend every day of pride month being re-educated, or explain why I won't announce my pronouns at the start of a meeting.

Stock market is doing awesome. Everything is great. No complaints.

In other words, you think black people are ugly, you’re happy inside your bubble, and you work for a fictional company where everyone is required to recite their pronouns at the start of each and every meeting. I’m fascinated, which company is this? And why are black people ugly?

The stock market’s performance has nothing to do with DEI.

I'm pretty sure he's mostly talking about fat people. But it's interesting you immediately thought he was talking about black people.

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Anonymous wrote:OK MAGA, tell us how your life has improved now that you can be outwardly racist and misogynistic and you’ve put LGBTQ in their place? I want real life examples, not hypotheticals like bathrooms in some other county or school system that has nothing to do with you. Real examples of how you (or your white DH) have gotten ahead in your career, your kid has excelled in sports, etc. now that others can be decremented against again.

I'm a Democrat but I'm glad DEI is gone because at its worst, it requires discrimination and elevates lesser qualified people as a means of retribution against those deemed too far ahead. And at best, it is little more than performative virtue signaling. It never helped anyone except a handful of "the most marginalized" and progressives who loved to wield it as a cudgel against normalcy.

This is false, has always been false. Lesser-qualified people were never elevated over superiorly qualified individuals strictly on the basis of race or gender etc. What DEI did is it took EQUALLY qualified people and then compared the applicants to the demographics and if one of the equally qualified applicants was from an underrepresented demographic, gave them more of a shot at the job to make the workforce actually look more like real American demographics.

That's "unqualified people got the job because of their race/gender/etc" crap is a made-up narrative from disgruntled mediocre white dudes.

Let me guess: you don’t work in a large private employer?

Also didn't go to a selective school

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know, OP, I'm mostly just happy that I don't have to look at ads with ugly people, spend every day of pride month being re-educated, or explain why I won't announce my pronouns at the start of a meeting.

Stock market is doing awesome. Everything is great. No complaints.

All the pronouns just disappearing has been quite nice.

How has that improved your life directly? You haven’t answered the question.

Maybe for some of the people on this board it doesn’t benefit them “directly” but they like the change anyway.

It goes the other way all the time. There are plenty of dems on this board who post things like “if the dems get elected I will have to pay higher taxes, but I want them to be elected anyway.”

So dems also want things to happen that don’t benefit them “directly,” particularly wealthy ones who won’t benefit from all the free stuff dems want to hand out.

That’s not an apt comparison. The voting against own interests Dem directly affects them. Also, it’s one thing to vote against your own financial interests (on either side) while it’s another to vote for racism and sexism.

You mean like people who vote for affirmative action?

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Anonymous wrote:No one has been able to list a single thing that the elimination of DEI and woke has benefited them personally. Not talking about owning the libs or feeling smug about the country in general. Have you been promoted at work now that the pesky females and black folk are out of the way? Has your child decided they are in fact not gay now that they aren’t being “programmed” at school? Has your business thrived more now that there are no migrants? I want real examples.

You didn't seem to appreciate how important owning the libs was in all of this. How much the rest of the country wanted you to just shut up.

And even after all this you can't shut your mouth. Not a hint of self reflection. Not a whiff of humility in your loss. Well, I guess we'll have to do it again in 2028 until you're fellow travelers are the ones screaming at you to just shut the fook up.

This is exactly right. It's time for the libs to sit their white asses down and listen.

Still not able to answer the question.

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Anonymous wrote:^^ Companies can even do that with new hires - something like a basic competency exam, like the ACT/ SAT.

They do this in other countries.

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Anonymous wrote:^^ Companies can even do that with new hires - something like a basic competency exam, like the ACT/ SAT.

Oh goody another opportunity for the rich to prep the hell out of their kids and out compete anyone without those kind of resources.

This is the new "testing is racist"

It's just the best way to undermine objective merit

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Anonymous wrote:No one has been able to list a single thing that the elimination of DEI and woke has benefited them personally. Not talking about owning the libs or feeling smug about the country in general. Have you been promoted at work now that the pesky females and black folk are out of the way? Has your child decided they are in fact not gay now that they aren’t being “programmed” at school? Has your business thrived more now that there are no migrants? I want real examples.

You didn't seem to appreciate how important owning the libs was in all of this. How much the rest of the country wanted you to just shut up.

And even after all this you can't shut your mouth. Not a hint of self reflection. Not a whiff of humility in your loss. Well, I guess we'll have to do it again in 2028 until you're fellow travelers are the ones screaming at you to just shut the fook up.

It just feels so good to own the libs.