Flash Flood in Texas,

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Anonymous wrote:The river rose 26 feet. These conversations about what could have been done are pointless.

Please don't get a job at any summer camp my kid is at.

I can assure you your kids’s summer camp has not been routinely practicing flood drills with campers.

My kid is training to be a counselor and they absolutely do lots of different drills for all different scenarios. And they monitor the weather all day everyday.

But if the weather service and the scientists aren't getting good data to understand the weather and they're not going to be able to give good information to the counselors monitoring the weather.

This is a total tragedy and the sad thing is is that a similar thing happened.not that long ago in 1987 and children were killed in a flood in July in 1987. The area is prone to flash flooding and that was known . Flash flooding is getting worse and worse with climate change and we all need to step up and do something about it.

Sounds like the NWS did send alerts.

Yes, the warning came in the middle of the night and it sounds like there was no way to alert the staff other than cell phones, and everyone was asleep.

No megaphones? Bugles? I mean, my kid’s camp has a dinner bell that can be heard from all cabins. There had to have been some way to rouse sleeping people, flood or not.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The river rose 26 feet. These conversations about what could have been done are pointless.

Please don't get a job at any summer camp my kid is at.

I can assure you your kids’s summer camp has not been routinely practicing flood drills with campers.

My kid is training to be a counselor and they absolutely do lots of different drills for all different scenarios. And they monitor the weather all day everyday.

But if the weather service and the scientists aren't getting good data to understand the weather and they're not going to be able to give good information to the counselors monitoring the weather.

This is a total tragedy and the sad thing is is that a similar thing happened.not that long ago in 1987 and children were killed in a flood in July in 1987. The area is prone to flash flooding and that was known . Flash flooding is getting worse and worse with climate change and we all need to step up and do something about it.

Sounds like the NWS did send alerts.

Yes, the warning came in the middle of the night and it sounds like there was no way to alert the staff other than cell phones, and everyone was asleep.

No megaphones? Bugles? I mean, my kid’s camp has a dinner bell that can be heard from all cabins. There had to have been some way to rouse sleeping people, flood or not.

No, Trump cut funding for bugles, horns, megaphones, and all tooting devices. It us all Trump’s fault, it always is. If Kamala had been president, because she cares about children so much, would have foreseen this incident and created a special Federal mandate to staff all camps 24x7 with active personnel to ring the bell.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The river rose 26 feet. These conversations about what could have been done are pointless.

Please don't get a job at any summer camp my kid is at.

I can assure you your kids’s summer camp has not been routinely practicing flood drills with campers.

My kid is training to be a counselor and they absolutely do lots of different drills for all different scenarios. And they monitor the weather all day everyday.

But if the weather service and the scientists aren't getting good data to understand the weather and they're not going to be able to give good information to the counselors monitoring the weather.

This is a total tragedy and the sad thing is is that a similar thing happened.not that long ago in 1987 and children were killed in a flood in July in 1987. The area is prone to flash flooding and that was known . Flash flooding is getting worse and worse with climate change and we all need to step up and do something about it.

Sounds like the NWS did send alerts.

Yes, the warning came in the middle of the night and it sounds like there was no way to alert the staff other than cell phones, and everyone was asleep.

No megaphones? Bugles? I mean, my kid’s camp has a dinner bell that can be heard from all cabins. There had to have been some way to rouse sleeping people, flood or not.

No, Trump cut funding for bugles, horns, megaphones, and all tooting devices. It us all Trump’s fault, it always is. If Kamala had been president, because she cares about children so much, would have foreseen this incident and created a special Federal mandate to staff all camps 24x7 with active personnel to ring the bell.

Do you have ANY respect for the families of the dead children?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Something very similar happened in 2016 in WV in Greenbrier County (similar amounts of rain). I think 20+ people died.

My kid was at camp there when it happened. It happened during daylight vs in the middle of the night in TX. My DD’s camp had some sort of warning and was able to evacuate the campers (was not as big as Mystic) in time. I think those two differences made all the difference in what happened in Texas.

I saw an interview with a mother of 2 campers (age 8 and 12). She said for her 8 yr old, the cabin counselors (2) made the decision themselves to break the back windows of the cabin, to then climb out those windows and as a cabin walk up the hill (barefoot in PJs) once their cabin started taking on water. The counselors are like 18 yr old BTW. All of those girls in that cabin survived. Those counselors did not get a warning.

I'm French and watched a video of that on the France 2 news channel. I'm glad the young counselors got most kids out alive. The French news also had a segment where a person in uniform is announcing that the missing are just "lost", perhaps in trees, and I thought - is that the right thing to say right now? Maybe just say they're missing. The outcome is probably not going to be good, best not give false hope to the families.

[Anonymous]

A camp with cabins near a river that has flooded before in a part of the country prone to flash flooding should have had better systems to wake kids up in the middle of the night and move them to higher ground. And camp directors should always be in reach of emergency alerts. My kids sleepaway camp recently had to deal with extreme weather (risk of tornado) and kids all slept that night in a building with a strong roof and moved into the basement for a few hours in the middle of the night. The fact that alerts came in middle of the night is no excuse. Those poor parents.

[Anonymous]

Amazing story about those 2 camp counselors. What leadership.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The river rose 26 feet. These conversations about what could have been done are pointless.

Please don't get a job at any summer camp my kid is at.

I can assure you your kids’s summer camp has not been routinely practicing flood drills with campers.

My kid is training to be a counselor and they absolutely do lots of different drills for all different scenarios. And they monitor the weather all day everyday.

But if the weather service and the scientists aren't getting good data to understand the weather and they're not going to be able to give good information to the counselors monitoring the weather.

This is a total tragedy and the sad thing is is that a similar thing happened.not that long ago in 1987 and children were killed in a flood in July in 1987. The area is prone to flash flooding and that was known . Flash flooding is getting worse and worse with climate change and we all need to step up and do something about it.

Sounds like the NWS did send alerts.

Yes, the warning came in the middle of the night and it sounds like there was no way to alert the staff other than cell phones, and everyone was asleep.

No megaphones? Bugles? I mean, my kid’s camp has a dinner bell that can be heard from all cabins. There had to have been some way to rouse sleeping people, flood or not.

No, Trump cut funding for bugles, horns, megaphones, and all tooting devices. It us all Trump’s fault, it always is. If Kamala had been president, because she cares about children so much, would have foreseen this incident and created a special Federal mandate to staff all camps 24x7 with active personnel to ring the bell.

I don't know why you find this funny. This area is prone to flash flooding and they know it. kids were killed in 1987 close by in a flash flood. There should be more surveillance and weather infrastructure and warning systems in an area like this not less.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The river rose 26 feet. These conversations about what could have been done are pointless.

Please don't get a job at any summer camp my kid is at.

I can assure you your kids’s summer camp has not been routinely practicing flood drills with campers.

My kid is training to be a counselor and they absolutely do lots of different drills for all different scenarios. And they monitor the weather all day everyday.

But if the weather service and the scientists aren't getting good data to understand the weather and they're not going to be able to give good information to the counselors monitoring the weather.

This is a total tragedy and the sad thing is is that a similar thing happened.not that long ago in 1987 and children were killed in a flood in July in 1987. The area is prone to flash flooding and that was known . Flash flooding is getting worse and worse with climate change and we all need to step up and do something about it.

Sounds like the NWS did send alerts.

Yes, the warning came in the middle of the night and it sounds like there was no way to alert the staff other than cell phones, and everyone was asleep.

No megaphones? Bugles? I mean, my kid’s camp has a dinner bell that can be heard from all cabins. There had to have been some way to rouse sleeping people, flood or not.

No, Trump cut funding for bugles, horns, megaphones, and all tooting devices. It us all Trump’s fault, it always is. If Kamala had been president, because she cares about children so much, would have foreseen this incident and created a special Federal mandate to staff all camps 24x7 with active personnel to ring the bell.

I don't know why you find this funny. This area is prone to flash flooding and they know it. kids were killed in 1987 close by in a flash flood. There should be more surveillance and weather infrastructure and warning systems in an area like this not less.

I'm going to guess they support Trump. No compassion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A camp with cabins near a river that has flooded before in a part of the country prone to flash flooding should have had better systems to wake kids up in the middle of the night and move them to higher ground. And camp directors should always be in reach of emergency alerts. My kids sleepaway camp recently had to deal with extreme weather (risk of tornado) and kids all slept that night in a building with a strong roof and moved into the basement for a few hours in the middle of the night. The fact that alerts came in middle of the night is no excuse. Those poor parents.

They should not have put the cabins there and they should have been on higher ground. Or, this. You move the kids to a safer location. There were other camps in the area, all ok.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The river rose 26 feet. These conversations about what could have been done are pointless.

Please don't get a job at any summer camp my kid is at.

I can assure you your kids’s summer camp has not been routinely practicing flood drills with campers.

My kid is training to be a counselor and they absolutely do lots of different drills for all different scenarios. And they monitor the weather all day everyday.

But if the weather service and the scientists aren't getting good data to understand the weather and they're not going to be able to give good information to the counselors monitoring the weather.

This is a total tragedy and the sad thing is is that a similar thing happened.not that long ago in 1987 and children were killed in a flood in July in 1987. The area is prone to flash flooding and that was known . Flash flooding is getting worse and worse with climate change and we all need to step up and do something about it.

Sounds like the NWS did send alerts.

Yes, the warning came in the middle of the night and it sounds like there was no way to alert the staff other than cell phones, and everyone was asleep.

No megaphones? Bugles? I mean, my kid’s camp has a dinner bell that can be heard from all cabins. There had to have been some way to rouse sleeping people, flood or not.

No, Trump cut funding for bugles, horns, megaphones, and all tooting devices. It us all Trump’s fault, it always is. If Kamala had been president, because she cares about children so much, would have foreseen this incident and created a special Federal mandate to staff all camps 24x7 with active personnel to ring the bell.

I don't know why you find this funny. This area is prone to flash flooding and they know it. kids were killed in 1987 close by in a flash flood. There should be more surveillance and weather infrastructure and warning systems in an area like this not less.

It sounds like the camp owners are at fault for zero safety measures.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The river rose 26 feet. These conversations about what could have been done are pointless.

Please don't get a job at any summer camp my kid is at.

I can assure you your kids’s summer camp has not been routinely practicing flood drills with campers.

My kid is training to be a counselor and they absolutely do lots of different drills for all different scenarios. And they monitor the weather all day everyday.

But if the weather service and the scientists aren't getting good data to understand the weather and they're not going to be able to give good information to the counselors monitoring the weather.

This is a total tragedy and the sad thing is is that a similar thing happened.not that long ago in 1987 and children were killed in a flood in July in 1987. The area is prone to flash flooding and that was known . Flash flooding is getting worse and worse with climate change and we all need to step up and do something about it.

Sounds like the NWS did send alerts.

Yes, the warning came in the middle of the night and it sounds like there was no way to alert the staff other than cell phones, and everyone was asleep.

No megaphones? Bugles? I mean, my kid’s camp has a dinner bell that can be heard from all cabins. There had to have been some way to rouse sleeping people, flood or not.

No, Trump cut funding for bugles, horns, megaphones, and all tooting devices. It us all Trump’s fault, it always is. If Kamala had been president, because she cares about children so much, would have foreseen this incident and created a special Federal mandate to staff all camps 24x7 with active personnel to ring the bell.

I don't know why you find this funny. This area is prone to flash flooding and they know it. kids were killed in 1987 close by in a flash flood. There should be more surveillance and weather infrastructure and warning systems in an area like this not less.

It's now up to local residents to provide this emergency infrastructure, or eliminate any camps and housing in this area.

Feel sorry sorry for those poor little girls.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A camp with cabins near a river that has flooded before in a part of the country prone to flash flooding should have had better systems to wake kids up in the middle of the night and move them to higher ground. And camp directors should always be in reach of emergency alerts. My kids sleepaway camp recently had to deal with extreme weather (risk of tornado) and kids all slept that night in a building with a strong roof and moved into the basement for a few hours in the middle of the night. The fact that alerts came in middle of the night is no excuse. Those poor parents.

They should not have put the cabins there and they should have been on higher ground. Or, this. You move the kids to a safer location. There were other camps in the area, all ok.

But Republicans hate regulation of anything. They want to build whatever, wherever, whenever they want.

[Anonymous]

Stop making this political. 20+ little girls are missing. The youngest campers. Just stop.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A camp with cabins near a river that has flooded before in a part of the country prone to flash flooding should have had better systems to wake kids up in the middle of the night and move them to higher ground. And camp directors should always be in reach of emergency alerts. My kids sleepaway camp recently had to deal with extreme weather (risk of tornado) and kids all slept that night in a building with a strong roof and moved into the basement for a few hours in the middle of the night. The fact that alerts came in middle of the night is no excuse. Those poor parents.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The river rose 26 feet. These conversations about what could have been done are pointless.

Please don't get a job at any summer camp my kid is at.

I can assure you your kids’s summer camp has not been routinely practicing flood drills with campers.

My kid is training to be a counselor and they absolutely do lots of different drills for all different scenarios. And they monitor the weather all day everyday.

But if the weather service and the scientists aren't getting good data to understand the weather and they're not going to be able to give good information to the counselors monitoring the weather.

This is a total tragedy and the sad thing is is that a similar thing happened.not that long ago in 1987 and children were killed in a flood in July in 1987. The area is prone to flash flooding and that was known . Flash flooding is getting worse and worse with climate change and we all need to step up and do something about it.

Sounds like the NWS did send alerts.

Yes, the warning came in the middle of the night and it sounds like there was no way to alert the staff other than cell phones, and everyone was asleep.

A flood WATCH was issued at 1 pm in the afternoon. camp leadership should have been on top of this!