Flash Flood in Texas,

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The river rose 26 feet. These conversations about what could have been done are pointless.

Please don't get a job at any summer camp my kid is at.

I can assure you your kids’s summer camp has not been routinely practicing flood drills with campers.

My kid is training to be a counselor and they absolutely do lots of different drills for all different scenarios. And they monitor the weather all day everyday.

But if the weather service and the scientists aren't getting good data to understand the weather and they're not going to be able to give good information to the counselors monitoring the weather.

This is a total tragedy and the sad thing is is that a similar thing happened.not that long ago in 1987 and children were killed in a flood in July in 1987. The area is prone to flash flooding and that was known . Flash flooding is getting worse and worse with climate change and we all need to step up and do something about it.

Sounds like the NWS did send alerts.

Yes, the warning came in the middle of the night and it sounds like there was no way to alert the staff other than cell phones, and everyone was asleep.

No megaphones? Bugles? I mean, my kid’s camp has a dinner bell that can be heard from all cabins. There had to have been some way to rouse sleeping people, flood or not.

No, Trump cut funding for bugles, horns, megaphones, and all tooting devices. It us all Trump’s fault, it always is. If Kamala had been president, because she cares about children so much, would have foreseen this incident and created a special Federal mandate to staff all camps 24x7 with active personnel to ring the bell.

I don't know why you find this funny. This area is prone to flash flooding and they know it. kids were killed in 1987 close by in a flash flood. There should be more surveillance and weather infrastructure and warning systems in an area like this not less.

I'm going to guess they support Trump. No compassion.

Jesus. No wonder Trump won.

— Democrat in a blue state.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Something very similar happened in 2016 in WV in Greenbrier County (similar amounts of rain). I think 20+ people died.

My kid was at camp there when it happened. It happened during daylight vs in the middle of the night in TX. My DD’s camp had some sort of warning and was able to evacuate the campers (was not as big as Mystic) in time. I think those two differences made all the difference in what happened in Texas.

I saw an interview with a mother of 2 campers (age 8 and 12). She said for her 8 yr old, the cabin counselors (2) made the decision themselves to break the back windows of the cabin, to then climb out those windows and as a cabin walk up the hill (barefoot in PJs) once their cabin started taking on water. The counselors are like 18 yr old BTW. All of those girls in that cabin survived. Those counselors did not get a warning.

I remember this flash flood!!!!

[Anonymous]

This is an absolute nightmare. I cannot imagine how this even happened.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The river rose 26 feet. These conversations about what could have been done are pointless.

Please don't get a job at any summer camp my kid is at.

I can assure you your kids’s summer camp has not been routinely practicing flood drills with campers.

My kid is training to be a counselor and they absolutely do lots of different drills for all different scenarios. And they monitor the weather all day everyday.

But if the weather service and the scientists aren't getting good data to understand the weather and they're not going to be able to give good information to the counselors monitoring the weather.

This is a total tragedy and the sad thing is is that a similar thing happened.not that long ago in 1987 and children were killed in a flood in July in 1987. The area is prone to flash flooding and that was known . Flash flooding is getting worse and worse with climate change and we all need to step up and do something about it.

Sounds like the NWS did send alerts.

Yes, the warning came in the middle of the night and it sounds like there was no way to alert the staff other than cell phones, and everyone was asleep.

No megaphones? Bugles? I mean, my kid’s camp has a dinner bell that can be heard from all cabins. There had to have been some way to rouse sleeping people, flood or not.

No, Trump cut funding for bugles, horns, megaphones, and all tooting devices. It us all Trump’s fault, it always is. If Kamala had been president, because she cares about children so much, would have foreseen this incident and created a special Federal mandate to staff all camps 24x7 with active personnel to ring the bell.

I don't know why you find this funny. This area is prone to flash flooding and they know it. kids were killed in 1987 close by in a flash flood. There should be more surveillance and weather infrastructure and warning systems in an area like this not less.

I'm going to guess they support Trump. No compassion.

Good thing it wasn’t 20 fetuses or Democrats would be up in arms screaming how the Republicans hate babies.

Talk about making something political. This story has nothing to do with reproductive Rights and a lot to do with weather forecasting and weather warning systems

And building permitting. Don't build in flood plains.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The river rose 26 feet. These conversations about what could have been done are pointless.

Please don't get a job at any summer camp my kid is at.

I can assure you your kids’s summer camp has not been routinely practicing flood drills with campers.

My kid is training to be a counselor and they absolutely do lots of different drills for all different scenarios. And they monitor the weather all day everyday.

But if the weather service and the scientists aren't getting good data to understand the weather and they're not going to be able to give good information to the counselors monitoring the weather.

This is a total tragedy and the sad thing is is that a similar thing happened.not that long ago in 1987 and children were killed in a flood in July in 1987. The area is prone to flash flooding and that was known . Flash flooding is getting worse and worse with climate change and we all need to step up and do something about it.

Sounds like the NWS did send alerts.

Yes, the warning came in the middle of the night and it sounds like there was no way to alert the staff other than cell phones, and everyone was asleep.

No megaphones? Bugles? I mean, my kid’s camp has a dinner bell that can be heard from all cabins. There had to have been some way to rouse sleeping people, flood or not.

No, Trump cut funding for bugles, horns, megaphones, and all tooting devices. It us all Trump’s fault, it always is. If Kamala had been president, because she cares about children so much, would have foreseen this incident and created a special Federal mandate to staff all camps 24x7 with active personnel to ring the bell.

I don't know why you find this funny. This area is prone to flash flooding and they know it. kids were killed in 1987 close by in a flash flood. There should be more surveillance and weather infrastructure and warning systems in an area like this not less.

I'm going to guess they support Trump. No compassion.

Good thing it wasn’t 20 fetuses or Democrats would be up in arms screaming how the Republicans hate babies.

Talk about making something political. This story has nothing to do with reproductive Rights and a lot to do with weather forecasting and weather warning systems

The fact remains that if this happened to a migrant encampment and 20+ migrant children were washed away, Texas would care a whole lot less. We all know it’s true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The river rose 26 feet. These conversations about what could have been done are pointless.

Please don't get a job at any summer camp my kid is at.

I can assure you your kids’s summer camp has not been routinely practicing flood drills with campers.

My kid is training to be a counselor and they absolutely do lots of different drills for all different scenarios. And they monitor the weather all day everyday.

But if the weather service and the scientists aren't getting good data to understand the weather and they're not going to be able to give good information to the counselors monitoring the weather.

This is a total tragedy and the sad thing is is that a similar thing happened.not that long ago in 1987 and children were killed in a flood in July in 1987. The area is prone to flash flooding and that was known . Flash flooding is getting worse and worse with climate change and we all need to step up and do something about it.

Sounds like the NWS did send alerts.

Yes, the warning came in the middle of the night and it sounds like there was no way to alert the staff other than cell phones, and everyone was asleep.

A flood WATCH was issued at 1 pm in the afternoon. camp leadership should have been on top of this!

That camp according to parents who went there had a history of flooding. They never should have put cabins near the flooding, had multiple exits and ways for counselors to communicate beyond cell phones. There were multiple other camps who evacuated safety.

[Anonymous]

So many of you are so sick. These are missing children. Little girls. Other people have been killed, hurt, are missing or have lost everything. I don’t care who anyone voted for. Most of these kids obviously can’t vote. What is actually wrong with you?

If any of you who are gloating over this tragedy or say you don’t have compassion claim to belong to any religion or spiritual community, know that you don’t. Know that you are evil and full of hate.

[Anonymous]

We’ve gotten so accustomed to outsourcing common sense and responsibility. It’s raining hard in a place that is known for flash flooding and people just sit and wait and complain that no one told them. There should have been a team on river watch at the very least. It’s not hard.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The river rose 26 feet. These conversations about what could have been done are pointless.

Please don't get a job at any summer camp my kid is at.

I can assure you your kids’s summer camp has not been routinely practicing flood drills with campers.

My kid is training to be a counselor and they absolutely do lots of different drills for all different scenarios. And they monitor the weather all day everyday.

But if the weather service and the scientists aren't getting good data to understand the weather and they're not going to be able to give good information to the counselors monitoring the weather.

This is a total tragedy and the sad thing is is that a similar thing happened.not that long ago in 1987 and children were killed in a flood in July in 1987. The area is prone to flash flooding and that was known . Flash flooding is getting worse and worse with climate change and we all need to step up and do something about it.

Sounds like the NWS did send alerts.

Yes, the warning came in the middle of the night and it sounds like there was no way to alert the staff other than cell phones, and everyone was asleep.

A flood WATCH was issued at 1 pm in the afternoon. camp leadership should have been on top of this!

That camp according to parents who went there had a history of flooding. They never should have put cabins near the flooding, had multiple exits and ways for counselors to communicate beyond cell phones. There were multiple other camps who evacuated safety.

So what you’re saying, then, is that this is clearly Trump’s fault.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We’ve gotten so accustomed to outsourcing common sense and responsibility. It’s raining hard in a place that is known for flash flooding and people just sit and wait and complain that no one told them. There should have been a team on river watch at the very least. It’s not hard.

Why didn’t Trump put someone on river watch?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have family members at Mystic. They are safe now tonight (picked up by their parents after helicoptering out) but very traumatized. I went to camp in the area as well, I know many families with kids in the camps there, and I know numerous locals who run the camps. It is a very tight-knit community that will never be the same.

Save your politics for another forum please.

But we on DCUM and who work in science and research and government have been saying, then shouting, and now SCREAMING, that these very types of events are going to happen more often and with more intensity if human beings do not stop pumping greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere. And we have been mocked and dismissed and ignore for saying this by politicians and their followers. This is EXACTLY the type of scenario we have been talking about and guess what, it’s going to happen over and over and over again and not just to brown people in countries you don’t care about but to your precious little blond Christian girls too. This just happened in Asheville; when is initial going to be “too soon” to talk about why these things are happening?

And it is POLITICS, specifically ignorant Republican politicians, specifically people like Ted Cruz and Greg Abbott, who are stopping any and all efforts to research the issue so we can prevent it from getting worse or roll it back. It is politics that are stripping away the funding for the research and resources needed to figure out how to mitigate the effects of this and save lives. It is politics that are ensuring that people in government and who conduct federally funded research cannot even SAY climate change; cannot even acknowledge that it might exist. And every time you say “now is not the time” and go off to pray and do jack all nothing, or tell others to shut up about it, you are in fact engaged in a political act impeding government providing services to the people it serves. And that is a HUGE political act itself.

So spare us your lectures. We will not shut up because the urgency of the moment demands that we call out every single one of these tragedies as a harbinger of what is coming. And if you don’t want to hear it, you can stay off DCUM because this community has a lot of people who work on these issues and we are incandescent with rage right now at how Republicans have politicized this issue to keep their corporate masters happy and to keep the money flowing. And this is what happens and let us be clear, is going to happen again and again and again and all the Go Fund Mes in the world aren’t going to be enough.

What is wrong with you????

Do you honestly believe this tragedy wouldn’t have happened if Kamala had been elected? What about the Asheville flooding? Was that Biden’s fault?

There is something seriously wrong with people who make a natural disaster and the death of dozens of innocent people, including children, a political statement. There is nothing the Republicans did to cause this or could have realistically done to prevent it, just as there was nothing the Democrats did or didn’t do for the natural disasters that occurred on their watch.

Natural disasters have happened since the beginning of time (remember the dinosaurs) and will happen for the rest of the Earth’s existence.

Instead of fighting over how politics are at fault, let’s just focus on all the families whose lives were absolutely shattered. I cannot imagine what they’re going through.

That PP was objecting to the gross reference to little white blond Christian girls in that post, and I agree that was disgusting.

I am the poster who responded and bolded that language. You are correct. My objection was to the sneering mocking language used to describe approximately 20 children likely killed in a flood.

Yes, that was absolutely disgusting.

What are you going to do about this tragic event? Just scold anyone that wants to take a look at it and try to prevent it from happening to somebody else? Grow up and take some action and some responsibility for protecting people from danger.

I don’t understand this comment. My objection to mocking dead children is unrelated to my thoughts on what should have been done. I agree that climate change and deregulation are existential threats. I also think sneering at dead children is vile.

The PP wasn’t “mocking dead children”. Stop making sht up.

Referring to “precious little white Christian girls” during a rant is absolutely mocking. And you know it, you nasty ghoul.

No, it’s not. The PP was pointing out how Rs DGAF when this happens in other countries. Or even other states.

They don’t care about all children, just their own.

Oh FFS. Is there anything you won't defend?

[Anonymous]

This thread makes me sick. There are kids who lost their lives and families whose world’s were turned upside down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The river rose 26 feet. These conversations about what could have been done are pointless.

Please don't get a job at any summer camp my kid is at.

I can assure you your kids’s summer camp has not been routinely practicing flood drills with campers.

My kid is training to be a counselor and they absolutely do lots of different drills for all different scenarios. And they monitor the weather all day everyday.

But if the weather service and the scientists aren't getting good data to understand the weather and they're not going to be able to give good information to the counselors monitoring the weather.

This is a total tragedy and the sad thing is is that a similar thing happened.not that long ago in 1987 and children were killed in a flood in July in 1987. The area is prone to flash flooding and that was known . Flash flooding is getting worse and worse with climate change and we all need to step up and do something about it.

Sounds like the NWS did send alerts.

Yes, the warning came in the middle of the night and it sounds like there was no way to alert the staff other than cell phones, and everyone was asleep.

A flood WATCH was issued at 1 pm in the afternoon. camp leadership should have been on top of this!

That camp according to parents who went there had a history of flooding. They never should have put cabins near the flooding, had multiple exits and ways for counselors to communicate beyond cell phones. There were multiple other camps who evacuated safety.

So what you’re saying, then, is that this is clearly Trump’s fault.

This has nothing to do with Trump. However, instead of bulging he should have gone out there and sent more support. He can arrange a military parade but not military to go help. I blame the camp. They’ve had flooding for years and no precautions in place.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We’ve gotten so accustomed to outsourcing common sense and responsibility. It’s raining hard in a place that is known for flash flooding and people just sit and wait and complain that no one told them. There should have been a team on river watch at the very least. It’s not hard.

Why didn’t Trump put someone on river watch?

?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So many of you are so sick. These are missing children. Little girls. Other people have been killed, hurt, are missing or have lost everything. I don’t care who anyone voted for. Most of these kids obviously can’t vote. What is actually wrong with you?

If any of you who are gloating over this tragedy or say you don’t have compassion claim to belong to any religion or spiritual community, know that you don’t. Know that you are evil and full of hate.

Yeah. I think that there are trolls impersonating "Democrats" to post horrible things.

We can talk about politics and lament the loss of innocent children in one breath, without being too reactionary. No, these kids wouldn't be alive if Kamala were President. But yes, Republicans have stalled climate change policies for decades, and cumulatively, that sort of thinking will increase the number of deaths from weather events through lack of preparation and planning.

Why did this camp continue to operate on the banks of a powerful river known to flood, and why were the cabins so close to the water, and why did no one pay attention to the first alerts, and why wasn't there a known plan of evacuation? We don't know if continued denials in that particular state, that extreme weather events might be important to prepare for, impacted the planning of the camp organizers. We will never know.

RIP to the victims. It's a tragedy all around.