The Four Seasons - Netflix TV show

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The Kate falling in the ice scene was so stupid.

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I didn’t read the thread to avoid spoilers but I just watched the vassar episode-perfect!

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This show is so stupid and not nearly as good as the original film. It was so sitcom-y and never funny.

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Anonymous wrote:This show is so stupid and not nearly as good as the original film. It was so sitcom-y and never funny.

Sometimes tho I miss crappy sitcoms from my youth.

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I’ll have to rewatch the scene, but he bought the cider because Jenny said her friends were pissed that he had bought champagne because some of them were sober and they felt like it was really insensitive.

So he clearly bought the cider as a redo for that mistake. But not sure if they are other clues.

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Anonymous wrote:I binged it but to fair feel like I feel for Steve Carell's character based on my own marriage. When Anne wouldn't try to get back on the boat it gave me the same "ick" I get in my own marriage when I have to handle emotional stuff for my husband because he is overly anxious.

I also appreciate that sentiment in a long marriage, but grownups know those are temp feelings and the ties and bonds you’ve made building a life and family with one person far outweigh the little irritations. But Nick was too immature to see he had a wonderful, kind, devoted wife and family and friend group, and he blew it all up for temporary ‘fun’ with a sweet but somewhat empty younger woman, and for things like trying to rock climb onto a beach, where he ended up crying and screaming in pain.

I’m very curious about how truly happy he was about that baby. He did pick up a hat in the grocery store that said ‘happy new year, BABY’ and smiled.

But he also wrecked his car in a single car accident while sober on the way home. Was it an accident? Did he have a heart attack?

Wait, did he know about the baby? Did we see her tell him? I didn’t remember that. I thought he was just hiding up in his room because he maybe didn’t like her friends that much. (Did folks notice he was now playing the same iPad game he faulted Ann for? Oh the humanity.)

Was someone earlier wondering about his provisions for the baby in his will? Yeah, I don’t know. 🤷‍♀️

I don’t think he knew about the baby. He initially bought wine not cider for the NYE party and just didn’t seem like he was aware. I’m the one who raised the cryptic comment about the legal issue. I’d guess his initial will when he was married to Anne maybe provided for after born children of them jointly but probably not written to apply to after born extramarital children. And when he got divorced he probably re wrote his will to just name his daughter since he’d already given the house and potentially other assets to Anne. So I think it’s highly unlikely there is any provision for Ginni’s baby. And that their happy “we are all a chosen family” vibe will fall apart when Anne is faced with the choice of giving up some of her own child’s inheritance for this other baby. I mean maybe she’ll give ginni somethkng….but do we really think this baby will get half, out of the kindness of their hearts? I don’t even know if the baby gets social security death benefits if parent died before birth and they were never married. In short, I think Ginni is scrwed financially.

I really don’t think he even knew about the baby, either. The new years thing said baby but he meant it for Ginny. There has been NO indication he knew, either from his actions to Ginny or what he said to his friends, or even his emotional behavior — he would be going through some emotional stuff probably. We don’t see that except his disaffection for Ginny’s friends.

I just don’t think he knew.

What happened in the original? Maybe that's a clue

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Omg he knew about the baby. In addition to the ‘baby’ NYE hat, she wasn’t drinking at new years either, and they chose to spend NYE with her sober healthy friends. If you recall, she was a drinker in earlier episodes- the mention of the ‘pedal pub’ over and over, as example. Also, after he died and people told her it was just a ‘blip’ relationship, she got upset and responded that ‘no, we were building a life together!’ This implies they were both doing it, and she wasn’t springing a baby on him. He knew.

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Anonymous wrote:I didn’t read the thread to avoid spoilers but I just watched the vassar episode-perfect!

Idk. It seemed corny to me. The play was dumb.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, I thought what kept it from being a cliché was he was hiding in his room while the younger folks were celebrating New Year’s and he was playing the same game that ann was playing that drove him crazy.

I thought that was a great call out that he was again just trying to chase and go back to his carefree youth, but as we were shown many times during the movie, when he hurt himself on the island, etc., you can’t go back. You can have temporary moments, but they are fleeting just like your youth was.

Should he have stayed with Ann… Probably not. It just seems like if he was a serial cheater if he got to his mid 50s there probably wasn’t much chance of him learning his lesson. He would have been bogged down with Ginni and the new baby and probably not have been happy. He seemed like a good enough guy that he probably would’ve stepped it up and gone through it all again, but I just don’t think he ever would’ve really been happy.

I think Ann had a real depth to her which they showed - her being the better parent and being able to put her hurt feelings behind her to step up for parents weekend, etc.

But I also think she should’ve stepped up more and gone out of her comfort zone while they were married. I do understand his frustration. As I wrap up my 40s, I can totally see I have some ann tendencies. I totally need to do the same thing. It’s hard. But there’s nothing like a kick in your ass like your husband leaving you to get her to do that. Which is why she started traveling more by herself, putting herself out there with the surfing instructor, even though it didn’t go as planned.

Overall, I was impressed with the complexity of it. Nobody was totally good or totally bad.

This is the best synopsis so far. I thought the writing was good because so much was relatable. That's Tina Fey really shining. Some of it's too perfect like Taylor Swift lyrics, and I imagine both Tina and Taylor having a notebook of their awesome thoughts that they then squeeze in somewhere.

I also like Tina as an actress from the 30 rock days but I guess I'm a minority🤣

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Anonymous wrote:Omg he knew about the baby. In addition to the ‘baby’ NYE hat, she wasn’t drinking at new years either, and they chose to spend NYE with her sober healthy friends. If you recall, she was a drinker in earlier episodes- the mention of the ‘pedal pub’ over and over, as example. Also, after he died and people told her it was just a ‘blip’ relationship, she got upset and responded that ‘no, we were building a life together!’ This implies they were both doing it, and she wasn’t springing a baby on him. He knew.

If he knew, things were already starting to fray between them. If he knew, he spent NYE alone in a room playing the dumb game he criticized Ann for instead of with his pregnant girlfriend.

That makes it even more sad and clear he was chasing something you can’t get back.

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Anonymous wrote:Omg he knew about the baby. In addition to the ‘baby’ NYE hat, she wasn’t drinking at new years either, and they chose to spend NYE with her sober healthy friends. If you recall, she was a drinker in earlier episodes- the mention of the ‘pedal pub’ over and over, as example. Also, after he died and people told her it was just a ‘blip’ relationship, she got upset and responded that ‘no, we were building a life together!’ This implies they were both doing it, and she wasn’t springing a baby on him. He knew.

If he knew, one of them would have said or alluded to it during one of their conversations together during the new years trip. When Ginny was complaining about the champagne just a few hours before Nick died, she would have specifically said “you know I can’t drink right now” and not just talked about her friends not drinking. She would have made the connection to her own situation (if he knew about it) and how hurtful his ignoring that condition was for her. But she didn’t say a single thing. So I really don’t think he knew.

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Anonymous wrote:Omg he knew about the baby. In addition to the ‘baby’ NYE hat, she wasn’t drinking at new years either, and they chose to spend NYE with her sober healthy friends. If you recall, she was a drinker in earlier episodes- the mention of the ‘pedal pub’ over and over, as example. Also, after he died and people told her it was just a ‘blip’ relationship, she got upset and responded that ‘no, we were building a life together!’ This implies they were both doing it, and she wasn’t springing a baby on him. He knew.

If he knew, one of them would have said or alluded to it during one of their conversations together during the new years trip. When Ginny was complaining about the champagne just a few hours before Nick died, she would have specifically said “you know I can’t drink right now” and not just talked about her friends not drinking. She would have made the connection to her own situation (if he knew about it) and how hurtful his ignoring that condition was for her. But she didn’t say a single thing. So I really don’t think he knew.

There *were* subtle allusions to it. They didn’t need to hit you over the head with it, that’s bad writing. They were at a healthy news years event instead of spending NYE with friends drinking scotch etc. Why? Because she was pregnant and they both knew it. She also later said ‘we were building a life together’. That certainly doesn’t imply a whoopsie pregnancy he didn’t know about. And I never heard him call her ‘baby’ as a pet name during any episode, did you? He called her Ginny. So why did he smile when he saw the hat that said ‘happy NY, BABY’? Because he knew, that’s why

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Anonymous wrote:I binged it but to fair feel like I feel for Steve Carell's character based on my own marriage. When Anne wouldn't try to get back on the boat it gave me the same "ick" I get in my own marriage when I have to handle emotional stuff for my husband because he is overly anxious.

I also appreciate that sentiment in a long marriage, but grownups know those are temp feelings and the ties and bonds you’ve made building a life and family with one person far outweigh the little irritations. But Nick was too immature to see he had a wonderful, kind, devoted wife and family and friend group, and he blew it all up for temporary ‘fun’ with a sweet but somewhat empty younger woman, and for things like trying to rock climb onto a beach, where he ended up crying and screaming in pain.

I’m very curious about how truly happy he was about that baby. He did pick up a hat in the grocery store that said ‘happy new year, BABY’ and smiled.

But he also wrecked his car in a single car accident while sober on the way home. Was it an accident? Did he have a heart attack?

Wait, did he know about the baby? Did we see her tell him? I didn’t remember that. I thought he was just hiding up in his room because he maybe didn’t like her friends that much. (Did folks notice he was now playing the same iPad game he faulted Ann for? Oh the humanity.)

Was someone earlier wondering about his provisions for the baby in his will? Yeah, I don’t know. 🤷‍♀️

I don’t think he knew about the baby. He initially bought wine not cider for the NYE party and just didn’t seem like he was aware. I’m the one who raised the cryptic comment about the legal issue. I’d guess his initial will when he was married to Anne maybe provided for after born children of them jointly but probably not written to apply to after born extramarital children. And when he got divorced he probably re wrote his will to just name his daughter since he’d already given the house and potentially other assets to Anne. So I think it’s highly unlikely there is any provision for Ginni’s baby. And that their happy “we are all a chosen family” vibe will fall apart when Anne is faced with the choice of giving up some of her own child’s inheritance for this other baby. I mean maybe she’ll give ginni somethkng….but do we really think this baby will get half, out of the kindness of their hearts? I don’t even know if the baby gets social security death benefits if parent died before birth and they were never married. In short, I think Ginni is scrwed financially.

I really don’t think he even knew about the baby, either. The new years thing said baby but he meant it for Ginny. There has been NO indication he knew, either from his actions to Ginny or what he said to his friends, or even his emotional behavior — he would be going through some emotional stuff probably. We don’t see that except his disaffection for Ginny’s friends.

I just don’t think he knew.

What happened in the original? Maybe that's a clue

The original was much more compressed because it was a 2-hour feature film. The theme of "The Four Seasons" of the friendship is illustrated by trips or get together in each of the four seasons. So, in the summer, they are all on a sailboat and everyone hears Nick and Ginni having sex. Later in the "winter" scene, Ginni gets pissed after the women make nasty remarks to her, so she leaves their ski cabin and walks out in the woods by herself. Nick is very upset and runs after her. When they ask why he is so pissed he tells everyone that Ginni is pregnant.

As I recall they never showed how Nick found out about the pregnancy.

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Anonymous wrote:Yeah, I thought what kept it from being a cliché was he was hiding in his room while the younger folks were celebrating New Year’s and he was playing the same game that ann was playing that drove him crazy.

I thought that was a great call out that he was again just trying to chase and go back to his carefree youth, but as we were shown many times during the movie, when he hurt himself on the island, etc., you can’t go back. You can have temporary moments, but they are fleeting just like your youth was.

Should he have stayed with Ann… Probably not. It just seems like if he was a serial cheater if he got to his mid 50s there probably wasn’t much chance of him learning his lesson. He would have been bogged down with Ginni and the new baby and probably not have been happy. He seemed like a good enough guy that he probably would’ve stepped it up and gone through it all again, but I just don’t think he ever would’ve really been happy.

I think Ann had a real depth to her which they showed - her being the better parent and being able to put her hurt feelings behind her to step up for parents weekend, etc.

But I also think she should’ve stepped up more and gone out of her comfort zone while they were married. I do understand his frustration. As I wrap up my 40s, I can totally see I have some ann tendencies. I totally need to do the same thing. It’s hard. But there’s nothing like a kick in your ass like your husband leaving you to get her to do that. Which is why she started traveling more by herself, putting herself out there with the surfing instructor, even though it didn’t go as planned.

Overall, I was impressed with the complexity of it. Nobody was totally good or totally bad.

I feel similarly in that, as someone who just turned 50, I could totally see wanting to stay on the porch and wrap up in a blanket. I mean, you can see the water! And it's not so jarring. This show really got me kind of down because it really did point out the foibles of people in this stage of life. Thickening toenails. Friendships that have stagnated. Slight irritation with the partners of friends becoming a "thing" that gets in the way. I'm just impressed at how many little long weekends away they still went on together with college friends. I see mine once in a blue moon. Making the effort to see them so often seems like a dream. But, maybe when my kids leave home like theirs had.

My group of four college girlfriends gets together 3-4 times a year (we all live in different cities). Our husbands don't come, which makes it easier to leave because then they can take care of the kids. I'd suggest making time for your friends now. One of mine was just diagnosed with breast cancer (we are mid-40s) and it was eye-opening because you think you have all the time to do things later but maybe you don't.

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Anonymous wrote:Omg he knew about the baby. In addition to the ‘baby’ NYE hat, she wasn’t drinking at new years either, and they chose to spend NYE with her sober healthy friends. If you recall, she was a drinker in earlier episodes- the mention of the ‘pedal pub’ over and over, as example. Also, after he died and people told her it was just a ‘blip’ relationship, she got upset and responded that ‘no, we were building a life together!’ This implies they were both doing it, and she wasn’t springing a baby on him. He knew.

If he knew, one of them would have said or alluded to it during one of their conversations together during the new years trip. When Ginny was complaining about the champagne just a few hours before Nick died, she would have specifically said “you know I can’t drink right now” and not just talked about her friends not drinking. She would have made the connection to her own situation (if he knew about it) and how hurtful his ignoring that condition was for her. But she didn’t say a single thing. So I really don’t think he knew.

There *were* subtle allusions to it. They didn’t need to hit you over the head with it, that’s bad writing. They were at a healthy news years event instead of spending NYE with friends drinking scotch etc. Why? Because she was pregnant and they both knew it. She also later said ‘we were building a life together’. That certainly doesn’t imply a whoopsie pregnancy he didn’t know about. And I never heard him call her ‘baby’ as a pet name during any episode, did you? He called her Ginny. So why did he smile when he saw the hat that said ‘happy NY, BABY’? Because he knew, that’s why

I figured it was her turn to do something with her friends - I don't think it had anything to do with her being pregnant.