Wall Street Journal on Gender Storytime in Montgomery County

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MCPS has gone overboard with the LGBTQ stuff. My middle school-aged daughter commented once that she felt they were trying to turn the kids gay. I'm being 100% real here.

It grooming , plain and simple.

It does feel like grooming. In MS, we had a homeroom teacher who would not let the boys use he/him and it had to be something else. My kid just refused to do the assignments and she'd mark him absent when he was there. I spoke to her and the principal and they refused to change the absences. She also pressed them to change their names to nicknames. That really pissed me off as there is a huge significance to the name.

This didn’t happen.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A cbs news article I read about the oral argument today contained this anecdote. Anyone know what board member it’s referring to who made these statements that the justices highlighted?

From the article…”The families also said that at least one member of the board demonstrated religious hostility toward them, claiming they likened them to ‘white supremacists’ and ‘xenophobes.’ Justice Neil Gorsuch repeatedly raised the comments, and asked Shoenfeld if they ‘suggest a hostility toward religion.’ Shoenfeld said the remarks were taken out of context but acknowledged they were ‘intemperate.’”

That was referring to comments by Kristin Mink, who is a county council member, not a BOE member.

You can view Mink's full remarks at 1:18 here:

https://www.youtube.com/live/kujd7ltRkn0?si=uyvexhdMTGwrQGDp

[Anonymous]

Only MCPS in its push to promote “equality” could waste millions and open the door to the Supreme Court imposing much harsher requirements on school districts nationwide.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A cbs news article I read about the oral argument today contained this anecdote. Anyone know what board member it’s referring to who made these statements that the justices highlighted?

From the article…”The families also said that at least one member of the board demonstrated religious hostility toward them, claiming they likened them to ‘white supremacists’ and ‘xenophobes.’ Justice Neil Gorsuch repeatedly raised the comments, and asked Shoenfeld if they ‘suggest a hostility toward religion.’ Shoenfeld said the remarks were taken out of context but acknowledged they were ‘intemperate.’”

That was referring to comments by Kristin Mink, who is a county council member, not a BOE member.

You can view Mink's full remarks at 1:18 here:

https://www.youtube.com/live/kujd7ltRkn0?si=uyvexhdMTGwrQGDp

Wow. Such disgust and derision for the non-Muslim families who want to opt out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MCPS has gone overboard with the LGBTQ stuff. My middle school-aged daughter commented once that she felt they were trying to turn the kids gay. I'm being 100% real here.

It grooming , plain and simple.

It does feel like grooming. In MS, we had a homeroom teacher who would not let the boys use he/him and it had to be something else. My kid just refused to do the assignments and she'd mark him absent when he was there. I spoke to her and the principal and they refused to change the absences. She also pressed them to change their names to nicknames. That really pissed me off as there is a huge significance to the name.

This didn’t happen.

Sadly it did during covid/virtual.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wish this thread could separate bad teachers from the question of inclusive books. MCPS is a super diverse population and it decided to use books for the library, story time where kids could see kids and families that look like their own. Since LGBTQ families exist in MCPS they include books that include LGBTQ characters just as they include characters such as divorced parents, Jewish kids, Muslim kids, Black kids, adopted kids, disabled kids and so on. Sex is not shown. The idea is books should feature characters who are not just white, Christian, from married straight families etc…Allowing opt out of seeing books that include lgbtq characters since this is against your religion sets terrible president. If parents can opt out of exposure to books that are not in line with their religion, then it is not just books with LGBTQ characters who could be seen as something parents want their kids not to see. That said, MCPS should have done a better job selecting books to avoid triggering parents, especially in elementary school.

Here is the part you need to understand. It was brown parents and Muslim families that protested these books. I remember the protests vividly. Especially with ding dong idiot Mink calling them white supremacist (she really is an idiot). These weren’t a bunch of white soccer moms fighting the opt-out.

MoCo had there chance to embrace actual honest-to-god diversity and they shat the bed and forced their idea of diversity down parents throats.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish this thread could separate bad teachers from the question of inclusive books. MCPS is a super diverse population and it decided to use books for the library, story time where kids could see kids and families that look like their own. Since LGBTQ families exist in MCPS they include books that include LGBTQ characters just as they include characters such as divorced parents, Jewish kids, Muslim kids, Black kids, adopted kids, disabled kids and so on. Sex is not shown. The idea is books should feature characters who are not just white, Christian, from married straight families etc…Allowing opt out of seeing books that include lgbtq characters since this is against your religion sets terrible president. If parents can opt out of exposure to books that are not in line with their religion, then it is not just books with LGBTQ characters who could be seen as something parents want their kids not to see. That said, MCPS should have done a better job selecting books to avoid triggering parents, especially in elementary school.

Here is the part you need to understand. It was brown parents and Muslim families that protested these books. I remember the protests vividly. Especially with ding dong idiot Mink calling them white supremacist (she really is an idiot). These weren’t a bunch of white soccer moms fighting the opt-out.

MoCo had there chance to embrace actual honest-to-god diversity and they shat the bed and forced their idea of diversity down parents throats.

She didn't call them white supremacists. She said the issue was complicated and that:
1:18:34 "this issue has unfortunately put some, not all of course, but some Muslim families on the same side of an issue as White supremacists and outright bigots. And you know there are, however the folks who I've talked here today, I would not put in the same category as those folks, although you know it's again complicated because they're falling on the same side of this particular issue. But many of the members of the Muslim community who have been activated around the opt out issue are, you know, members of Muslim organizations that I have advocated side by side on other issues about issues around, you know, housing and welcoming immigrants and you know, feeding our neighbors and providing healthcare." Yes, very poorly spoken, but she isn't calling the Muslim community white supremacists.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MCPS has gone overboard with the LGBTQ stuff. My middle school-aged daughter commented once that she felt they were trying to turn the kids gay. I'm being 100% real here.

It grooming , plain and simple.

You keep using that word. I don’t think it means what you think it means.

Fine, it’s indoctrination.

Forced indoctrination. DP

+1 it's disgusting.

I am an atheist so nothing to do with religion, but pushing LGBTQ agenda on elementary school kids is just sick.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish this thread could separate bad teachers from the question of inclusive books. MCPS is a super diverse population and it decided to use books for the library, story time where kids could see kids and families that look like their own. Since LGBTQ families exist in MCPS they include books that include LGBTQ characters just as they include characters such as divorced parents, Jewish kids, Muslim kids, Black kids, adopted kids, disabled kids and so on. Sex is not shown. The idea is books should feature characters who are not just white, Christian, from married straight families etc…Allowing opt out of seeing books that include lgbtq characters since this is against your religion sets terrible president. If parents can opt out of exposure to books that are not in line with their religion, then it is not just books with LGBTQ characters who could be seen as something parents want their kids not to see. That said, MCPS should have done a better job selecting books to avoid triggering parents, especially in elementary school.

Here is the part you need to understand. It was brown parents and Muslim families that protested these books. I remember the protests vividly. Especially with ding dong idiot Mink calling them white supremacist (she really is an idiot). These weren’t a bunch of white soccer moms fighting the opt-out.

MoCo had there chance to embrace actual honest-to-god diversity and they shat the bed and forced their idea of diversity down parents throats.

She didn't call them white supremacists. She said the issue was complicated and that:
1:18:34 "this issue has unfortunately put some, not all of course, but some Muslim families on the same side of an issue as White supremacists and outright bigots. And you know there are, however the folks who I've talked here today, I would not put in the same category as those folks, although you know it's again complicated because they're falling on the same side of this particular issue. But many of the members of the Muslim community who have been activated around the opt out issue are, you know, members of Muslim organizations that I have advocated side by side on other issues about issues around, you know, housing and welcoming immigrants and you know, feeding our neighbors and providing healthcare." Yes, very poorly spoken, but she isn't calling the Muslim community white supremacists.

+1. She in no way called them white supremacists. And it's a perfectly valid point to call out that if the bigots are agreeing with your position, you might want to reconsider your arguments.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MCPS has gone overboard with the LGBTQ stuff. My middle school-aged daughter commented once that she felt they were trying to turn the kids gay. I'm being 100% real here.

It grooming , plain and simple.

It does feel like grooming. In MS, we had a homeroom teacher who would not let the boys use he/him and it had to be something else. My kid just refused to do the assignments and she'd mark him absent when he was there. I spoke to her and the principal and they refused to change the absences. She also pressed them to change their names to nicknames. That really pissed me off as there is a huge significance to the name.

This didn’t happen.

Sadly it did during covid/virtual.

You seriously expect us to believe that a teacher would not let any boys use their preferred pronouns but instead forced them to go by she/her or they/them all year instead, and the principal knew and supported this? That is an extraordinarily unbelievable claim that requires extraordinary proof. What was the school? Where are the social media posts and newspaper articles complaining about it that surely would come up in a situation like that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wish this thread could separate bad teachers from the question of inclusive books. MCPS is a super diverse population and it decided to use books for the library, story time where kids could see kids and families that look like their own. Since LGBTQ families exist in MCPS they include books that include LGBTQ characters just as they include characters such as divorced parents, Jewish kids, Muslim kids, Black kids, adopted kids, disabled kids and so on. Sex is not shown. The idea is books should feature characters who are not just white, Christian, from married straight families etc…Allowing opt out of seeing books that include lgbtq characters since this is against your religion sets terrible president. If parents can opt out of exposure to books that are not in line with their religion, then it is not just books with LGBTQ characters who could be seen as something parents want their kids not to see. That said, MCPS should have done a better job selecting books to avoid triggering parents, especially in elementary school.

It's not just that the books have those characters but the whole plot of the books and more troubling the "teacher instructions" for class discussions, which were brought up and quoted by multiple conservative justices. The "seek and find" words in Pride Puppy, the "doctors just guess your gender" for Boy Named Penelope etc.

This will be an overbroad bad result on many fronts. I wish MoCo had avoided the lawsuit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MCPS has gone overboard with the LGBTQ stuff. My middle school-aged daughter commented once that she felt they were trying to turn the kids gay. I'm being 100% real here.

It grooming , plain and simple.

You keep using that word. I don’t think it means what you think it means.

Fine, it’s indoctrination.

Forced indoctrination. DP

+1 it's disgusting.

I am an atheist so nothing to do with religion, but pushing LGBTQ agenda on elementary school kids is just sick.

100%. I have kids in MCPS elementary and middle school - also an atheist. It is sick.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MCPS has gone overboard with the LGBTQ stuff. My middle school-aged daughter commented once that she felt they were trying to turn the kids gay. I'm being 100% real here.

It grooming , plain and simple.

You keep using that word. I don’t think it means what you think it means.

Fine, it’s indoctrination.

Forced indoctrination. DP

+1 it's disgusting.

I am an atheist so nothing to do with religion, but pushing LGBTQ agenda on elementary school kids is just sick.

100%. I have kids in MCPS elementary and middle school - also an atheist. It is sick.

I think you both need to take a hard look in the mirror, and think about why you think it's "disgusting" or "sick" to include books about people who are different from you in a school curriculum where students will come from all different family types, and will be feeling all different things, and might just see themselves in some of these books.

And please educate yourselves. Gay and trans kids are the ones who get kicked out of the house and live on the streets, who self medicate with drugs and alcohol, who kill themselves at significantly higher rates, etc., etc. These kids need to know they are not alone, and that most people don't consider them "sick" or "disgusting."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Not only did MCPS push this, members of the County Council wrote letters in support of it (and are now running trying to keep their jobs or get promoted to County Executive). This will cost MoCo millions and yet the council will just pass it along to us taxpayers. They need to be fired as well!

No the opt out will cost millions.

You guys just make things up constantly.

If the opt out will cost millions, then the reality is likely most people would like to opt out. That should signal administration that these books should not be allowed in elementary schools. Certainly, public libraries can carry these books and parents can op in with these books at home.

[Anonymous]

I can’t believe this is actually happening (books like these in schools) and parents are okay with it. No wonder everyone is so unhappy in liberal areas. It’s the complete destruction of morals and family values.