Wall Street Journal on Gender Storytime in Montgomery County

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Anonymous wrote:DCUM is really quite bigoted towards trans people. I have to remember that this site bends deeply conservative.

No one will care about tran, LGBTQ etc as long as there is no attempt to push it in elementary schools.

For parents , their kids come first.

LGBTQ kids exist in schools whether you want to admit that or not. Is their very existence “pushing” an agenda? Those kids have parents too, who are also doing their best to protect their kids.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve never once seen an example of a book that was actually being read in class that was actually offensive. The examples they have in the lawsuit seemed to be books that were on lists to possibly be read but no one ever seemed to say “yes my kids second grade teacher is reading this.”
It just seems like a huge non issue.

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Not one of these books was ever used in the classroom

The people are lying. They don't even have kids in public school. This lawsuit is absurd.

SCOTUS will give them this win God help all of us. It is not going to end well. UGH

That’s not true. My DD’s 4th grade class had to read the Boy Named Penelope book. I think that book is absolutely ridiculous and dangerous.

Huh? What on earth is "dangerous" about it? I've read it, it's a simple kids book about a kid who's trans... It honestly seems fine even for 5 year olds let alone 4th graders, nothing about genitals or sex or anything else folks might think is age-inappropriate, just a little trans kid being a kid. I can't imagine anything offensive or problematic about it, unless you don't think kids should know that trans kids exist? And even then, dangerous suggests someone could somehow be hurt by it and unless your kid is such a fragile snowflake you think they're going to collapse upon learning of the existence of trans kids (super weird if so), how could a book like this possibly hurt anyone?

I think the argument people are having here is about: do you think kids can change their gender just by thinking it is so, and do you think we should teach them about it. I think there is a reasonable difference of opinion on this.

Correct. This is one of the main arguments that LGBTQ advocates insist is truth and must be accepted by all as truth that the silent majority is resisting.

"silent majority"?

LOL, no.

+100000. I don’t think you can change your gender by thinking you’re a different gender. Plenty of people agree with me. The transgender movement is odd and I don’t know how we got here. I don’t want to discriminate against transgender kids but I also don’t want to teach young children that this is normal behavior. In my opinion, it’s often girls who 50 years ago would be a tom boy.

Hardly. The shift that freaks so many of these people out is boys who decide they are girls. THAT is the thing that freaks conservatives out. You never hear them talking about trans boys. It's all a huge freak out about trans girls.

If you ask me, all of this is the fault of the MAGA/Trumper idiots. THEY brought this very small group of people to the forefront to scapegoat them and use them to whip the conservative haters into a frenzy. Same things with immigrants. It's their typical divisive sh*t to use people's prejudices and demonize a vulnerable group for their own political gain. On the other side, people find this demonization of vulnerable groups so repulsive (fittingly) that they go hard in the other direction in an attempt to defend people they think are vulnerable.

So if you don't like having to talk about trans people all the time, go tell the MAGA morons who won't let it rest.

NP. This is just demonstrably untrue. Rapid onset gender dysphoria amongst groups of teenage girls caused by social contagion is a widely-documented phenomena which many people across the ideological spectrum regularly voice concerns about.

Most of them go with nonbinary and it will pass. It is nothing compared to the mouth-frothing response of MAGA to trans women.

It sounds like you are completely dismissing the feelings of these teen girls who are experiencing rapid onset gender dysphoria.

The vast majority of students who are experiencing being trans/questioning their gender is happening to teenage girls in middle and high school. If it does happen to pre-school boys, it too is a phase. That's why I think these books fall more on the propaganda side.

To really reflect what's going on and if the point is to give kids the recognition, why don't you go with what is most likely going to happen? Instead of "A Boy Called Penelope", why aren't there books called "A Girl Named Storm" and it can talk about a girl on the spectrum who questions their gender identity. Or if the authors must go with a boy, can't they have their parents help them determine if they are gay or really believe they are a girl? Why can't these books represent what is really going on with youth?

Why are trans-supporters so insistent on telling the trans story through the lens of trans girls? Why don't you fight hard for books about tran-boys and make it really realistic so the girls can feel like they are being represented too?

A Boy Named Penelope is a book about a trans boy.

Yeah - a black kid. Why couldn't they make it really realistic and make Penelope be white?

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Gay means you are sexually attracted to the same sex. It's a preference.
Gender is a construct as defined by your environment. Depending on your genitalia you are either male or female. You can be a male that likes makeup or a female who likes sports and rough housing.
If you reach a point where you hate your body and blame it on gender norms then you have some body dysphoria issues and need mental help.
People get plastic surgery because they are unhappy with the way they look. They aren't accepting themselves and it is a type of body dysphoria which is why some people.keep getting more and more plastic surgery until they are a completely different person.
I would never introduce the concept of changing your sex to little kids just like you wouldnt get a breast implant for a young teen. How confusing!

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I suggest, create a separate section for anyone wanting to learn about sexuality in elementary school and it should be opt in.

As a parent of preschool child I don't want LGBTQ agenta in MCPS classrooms.

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Anonymous wrote:I suggest, create a separate section for anyone wanting to learn about sexuality in elementary school and it should be opt in.

As a parent of preschool child I don't want LGBTQ agenta in MCPS classrooms.

I don’t want hateful agenda in the classroom.

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Anonymous wrote:Some of the content is pretty inappropriate for young kids and older kids are tired of it as they go on and on, non-stop and often overlook other groups. Parents should get to opt out.

If parents feel the need to opt out of these types of storybooks, they should opt out of public school. Their children are sitting next to other kids in classes who have family and family friends who are members of the LGBTQ+ community. There may be a child in their class who is transgender. Would they rather their kids learn about other people through a vetted storybook or through playground conversations?

The point many of us are trying to make is it isn’t all or nothing. There are plenty of great books no so in your face and inclusive of different races, genders, religions, family styles and beliefs. It should be about all differences not just one group.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve never once seen an example of a book that was actually being read in class that was actually offensive. The examples they have in the lawsuit seemed to be books that were on lists to possibly be read but no one ever seemed to say “yes my kids second grade teacher is reading this.”
It just seems like a huge non issue.

+1

Not one of these books was ever used in the classroom

The people are lying. They don't even have kids in public school. This lawsuit is absurd.

SCOTUS will give them this win God help all of us. It is not going to end well. UGH

That’s not true. My DD’s 4th grade class had to read the Boy Named Penelope book. I think that book is absolutely ridiculous and dangerous.

Huh? What on earth is "dangerous" about it? I've read it, it's a simple kids book about a kid who's trans... It honestly seems fine even for 5 year olds let alone 4th graders, nothing about genitals or sex or anything else folks might think is age-inappropriate, just a little trans kid being a kid. I can't imagine anything offensive or problematic about it, unless you don't think kids should know that trans kids exist? And even then, dangerous suggests someone could somehow be hurt by it and unless your kid is such a fragile snowflake you think they're going to collapse upon learning of the existence of trans kids (super weird if so), how could a book like this possibly hurt anyone?

I think the argument people are having here is about: do you think kids can change their gender just by thinking it is so, and do you think we should teach them about it. I think there is a reasonable difference of opinion on this.

Correct. This is one of the main arguments that LGBTQ advocates insist is truth and must be accepted by all as truth that the silent majority is resisting.

"silent majority"?

LOL, no.

+100000. I don’t think you can change your gender by thinking you’re a different gender. Plenty of people agree with me. The transgender movement is odd and I don’t know how we got here. I don’t want to discriminate against transgender kids but I also don’t want to teach young children that this is normal behavior. In my opinion, it’s often girls who 50 years ago would be a tom boy.

Hardly. The shift that freaks so many of these people out is boys who decide they are girls. THAT is the thing that freaks conservatives out. You never hear them talking about trans boys. It's all a huge freak out about trans girls.

If you ask me, all of this is the fault of the MAGA/Trumper idiots. THEY brought this very small group of people to the forefront to scapegoat them and use them to whip the conservative haters into a frenzy. Same things with immigrants. It's their typical divisive sh*t to use people's prejudices and demonize a vulnerable group for their own political gain. On the other side, people find this demonization of vulnerable groups so repulsive (fittingly) that they go hard in the other direction in an attempt to defend people they think are vulnerable.

So if you don't like having to talk about trans people all the time, go tell the MAGA morons who won't let it rest.

NP. This is just demonstrably untrue. Rapid onset gender dysphoria amongst groups of teenage girls caused by social contagion is a widely-documented phenomena which many people across the ideological spectrum regularly voice concerns about.

Most of them go with nonbinary and it will pass. It is nothing compared to the mouth-frothing response of MAGA to trans women.

It sounds like you are completely dismissing the feelings of these teen girls who are experiencing rapid onset gender dysphoria.

The vast majority of students who are experiencing being trans/questioning their gender is happening to teenage girls in middle and high school. If it does happen to pre-school boys, it too is a phase. That's why I think these books fall more on the propaganda side.

To really reflect what's going on and if the point is to give kids the recognition, why don't you go with what is most likely going to happen? Instead of "A Boy Called Penelope", why aren't there books called "A Girl Named Storm" and it can talk about a girl on the spectrum who questions their gender identity. Or if the authors must go with a boy, can't they have their parents help them determine if they are gay or really believe they are a girl? Why can't these books represent what is really going on with youth?

Why are trans-supporters so insistent on telling the trans story through the lens of trans girls? Why don't you fight hard for books about tran-boys and make it really realistic so the girls can feel like they are being represented too?

A Boy Named Penelope is a book about a trans boy.

Yeah - a black kid. Why couldn't they make it really realistic and make Penelope be white?

The author is black. Her son, who the book is about, is black. I don't know why she didn't think of being white to make you happy, but she didn't.

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Anonymous wrote:Gay means you are sexually attracted to the same sex. It's a preference.
Gender is a construct as defined by your environment. Depending on your genitalia you are either male or female. You can be a male that likes makeup or a female who likes sports and rough housing.
If you reach a point where you hate your body and blame it on gender norms then you have some body dysphoria issues and need mental help.
People get plastic surgery because they are unhappy with the way they look. They aren't accepting themselves and it is a type of body dysphoria which is why some people.keep getting more and more plastic surgery until they are a completely different person.
I would never introduce the concept of changing your sex to little kids just like you wouldnt get a breast implant for a young teen. How confusing!

There are intersex people who have parts of both genders and it’s a real medical issue.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:DCUM is really quite bigoted towards trans people. I have to remember that this site bends deeply conservative.

No one will care about tran, LGBTQ etc as long as there is no attempt to push it in elementary schools.

For parents , their kids come first.

LGBTQ kids exist in schools whether you want to admit that or not. Is their very existence “pushing” an agenda? Those kids have parents too, who are also doing their best to protect their kids.

This entire idea that 4 years kid are LGBTQ kids are insane. Are these parents really trying to protect their kids by forcing MCPS to read LGBTQ books to 4 yerars old kids?

Anyone advocating for LGBTQ books for 4 years old kids is simply destroying theit kids and everyone else. It's not protecting anyone.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Some of the content is pretty inappropriate for young kids and older kids are tired of it as they go on and on, non-stop and often overlook other groups. Parents should get to opt out.

If parents feel the need to opt out of these types of storybooks, they should opt out of public school. Their children are sitting next to other kids in classes who have family and family friends who are members of the LGBTQ+ community. There may be a child in their class who is transgender. Would they rather their kids learn about other people through a vetted storybook or through playground conversations?

The point many of us are trying to make is it isn’t all or nothing. There are plenty of great books no so in your face and inclusive of different races, genders, religions, family styles and beliefs. It should be about all differences not just one group.

The books in question are not “in your face.” If you think they are that says you have a deep discomfort with accepting that kids and their families can be LGBTQ.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Gay means you are sexually attracted to the same sex. It's a preference.
Gender is a construct as defined by your environment. Depending on your genitalia you are either male or female. You can be a male that likes makeup or a female who likes sports and rough housing.
If you reach a point where you hate your body and blame it on gender norms then you have some body dysphoria issues and need mental help.
People get plastic surgery because they are unhappy with the way they look. They aren't accepting themselves and it is a type of body dysphoria which is why some people.keep getting more and more plastic surgery until they are a completely different person.
I would never introduce the concept of changing your sex to little kids just like you wouldnt get a breast implant for a young teen. How confusing!

There are intersex people who have parts of both genders and it’s a real medical issue.

They should be treated as medical issue and kindly by everyone else. But issue is very differnet here.

LGBTQ activists have taken over MCPS and wasting tax payers money.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DCUM is really quite bigoted towards trans people. I have to remember that this site bends deeply conservative.

No one will care about tran, LGBTQ etc as long as there is no attempt to push it in elementary schools.

For parents , their kids come first.

LGBTQ kids exist in schools whether you want to admit that or not. Is their very existence “pushing” an agenda? Those kids have parents too, who are also doing their best to protect their kids.

Is anyone asking LGBTQ high school students to not attend MCPS?

Now 4 years old kids pushed into LGBTQ by parents, I fee very sad for those kids. Existence of that is due to LGBTQ agenda.

LGBTQ activists have taken over MCPS and made a basket case situation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DCUM is really quite bigoted towards trans people. I have to remember that this site bends deeply conservative.

No one will care about tran, LGBTQ etc as long as there is no attempt to push it in elementary schools.

For parents , their kids come first.

LGBTQ kids exist in schools whether you want to admit that or not. Is their very existence “pushing” an agenda? Those kids have parents too, who are also doing their best to protect their kids.

Is anyone asking LGBTQ high school students to not attend MCPS?

Now 4 years old kids pushed into LGBTQ by parents, I fee very sad for those kids. Existence of that is due to LGBTQ agenda.

LGBTQ activists have taken over MCPS and made a basket case situation.

Or maybe….hear me out…the problem is you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DCUM is really quite bigoted towards trans people. I have to remember that this site bends deeply conservative.

No one will care about tran, LGBTQ etc as long as there is no attempt to push it in elementary schools.

For parents , their kids come first.

LGBTQ kids exist in schools whether you want to admit that or not. Is their very existence “pushing” an agenda? Those kids have parents too, who are also doing their best to protect their kids.

Is anyone asking LGBTQ high school students to not attend MCPS?

Now 4 years old kids pushed into LGBTQ by parents, I fee very sad for those kids. Existence of that is due to LGBTQ agenda.

LGBTQ activists have taken over MCPS and made a basket case situation.

There are 4 year olds with LGBTQ parents. They exist.

But also you sound like a frothing-at-the-mouth homophobe.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DCUM is really quite bigoted towards trans people. I have to remember that this site bends deeply conservative.

No one will care about tran, LGBTQ etc as long as there is no attempt to push it in elementary schools.

For parents , their kids come first.

LGBTQ kids exist in schools whether you want to admit that or not. Is their very existence “pushing” an agenda? Those kids have parents too, who are also doing their best to protect their kids.

How about trans race? How long until we get kids claiming they're born white who identify as black, or vice versa? We going to have story book time and required readings showing the white boy seeing the world as a black kid while growing up? Trans race is honestly almost no different at this point. When's MCPS going to mandate course materials that involve trans race?