Should financial aid in private school be stricter?

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Anonymous wrote:These threads continue to prove that DCUM has no idea what poverty actually looks like. What everyone is describing as “poor” are actually lower middle class families who prioritize private education so they limit vacations, drive old cars, use public transit, etc. They need FA to close the gap and make private school a possibility.

I grew up poor. I never went on vacation until I went to WV with a boyfriend in high school to visit his family. Vacations aren’t something poor ppl don’t do some years. It something they can’t afford to do ever.

But posters here don’t even want lower middle income families in their schools and less low income. That’s my point. Move to a financial aid system prioritizing low income families.

You’re looking to create what’s described as a barbell effect simply to make yourself feel good. This has been studied and is generally not considered a desirable outcome.

Yes, let’s give financial aid to wealthy families and exclude low income families. Makes total sense!

These families are not low income. Low income aren't welcome at these schools. How many kids do you know at these privates on food stamps, section 8, medicaid? None. Those are the deserving kids.

If you want those kids you are going to have to provide 1)free transportation across the city at multiple points in time during the day (before school, after school, after sports) 2)free after care for the younger years 3)free books, sports fees (spring break costs, etc), uniforms, class dues. 4)free tutoring

Instead of $57k/year you are probably looking at close to $100K/student all-in.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:These threads continue to prove that DCUM has no idea what poverty actually looks like. What everyone is describing as “poor” are actually lower middle class families who prioritize private education so they limit vacations, drive old cars, use public transit, etc. They need FA to close the gap and make private school a possibility.

I grew up poor. I never went on vacation until I went to WV with a boyfriend in high school to visit his family. Vacations aren’t something poor ppl don’t do some years. It something they can’t afford to do ever.

But posters here don’t even want lower middle income families in their schools and less low income. That’s my point. Move to a financial aid system prioritizing low income families.

You’re looking to create what’s described as a barbell effect simply to make yourself feel good. This has been studied and is generally not considered a desirable outcome.

Yes, let’s give financial aid to wealthy families and exclude low income families. Makes total sense!

These families are not low income. Low income aren't welcome at these schools. How many kids do you know at these privates on food stamps, section 8, medicaid? None. Those are the deserving kids.

If you want those kids you are going to have to provide 1)free transportation across the city at multiple points in time during the day (before school, after school, after sports) 2)free after care for the younger years 3)free books, sports fees (spring break costs, etc), uniforms, class dues. 4)free tutoring

Instead of $57k/year you are probably looking at close to $100K/student all-in.

You're talking as if a low-income kid has never attended a private school in U.S. history.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:On what planet are you aware of the actual income and the assets/liabilities of other families and on what planet are you aware of everyone who applies and is granted FA?

Pro Tip: mind you own damn business. If you don’t want to give to the FA fundraisers, don’t. If you’re wealthy enough that it’s not even a consideration for you, be grateful.

This!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:On what planet are you aware of the actual income and the assets/liabilities of other families and on what planet are you aware of everyone who applies and is granted FA?

Pro Tip: mind you own damn business. If you don’t want to give to the FA fundraisers, don’t. If you’re wealthy enough that it’s not even a consideration for you, be grateful.

This!

Maybe you need new prescription glasses and check how many low income families are in your school.

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Anonymous wrote:These threads continue to prove that DCUM has no idea what poverty actually looks like. What everyone is describing as “poor” are actually lower middle class families who prioritize private education so they limit vacations, drive old cars, use public transit, etc. They need FA to close the gap and make private school a possibility.

I grew up poor. I never went on vacation until I went to WV with a boyfriend in high school to visit his family. Vacations aren’t something poor ppl don’t do some years. It something they can’t afford to do ever.

But posters here don’t even want lower middle income families in their schools and less low income. That’s my point. Move to a financial aid system prioritizing low income families.

You’re looking to create what’s described as a barbell effect simply to make yourself feel good. This has been studied and is generally not considered a desirable outcome.

Yes, let’s give financial aid to wealthy families and exclude low income families. Makes total sense!

These families are not low income. Low income aren't welcome at these schools. How many kids do you know at these privates on food stamps, section 8, medicaid? None. Those are the deserving kids.

If you want those kids you are going to have to provide 1)free transportation across the city at multiple points in time during the day (before school, after school, after sports) 2)free after care for the younger years 3)free books, sports fees (spring break costs, etc), uniforms, class dues. 4)free tutoring

Instead of $57k/year you are probably looking at close to $100K/student all-in.

You're talking as if a low-income kid has never attended a private school in U.S. history.

That’s true financial aid. How many attend your school?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These threads continue to prove that DCUM has no idea what poverty actually looks like. What everyone is describing as “poor” are actually lower middle class families who prioritize private education so they limit vacations, drive old cars, use public transit, etc. They need FA to close the gap and make private school a possibility.

I grew up poor. I never went on vacation until I went to WV with a boyfriend in high school to visit his family. Vacations aren’t something poor ppl don’t do some years. It something they can’t afford to do ever.

But posters here don’t even want lower middle income families in their schools and less low income. That’s my point. Move to a financial aid system prioritizing low income families.

You’re looking to create what’s described as a barbell effect simply to make yourself feel good. This has been studied and is generally not considered a desirable outcome.

Yes, let’s give financial aid to wealthy families and exclude low income families. Makes total sense!

These families are not low income. Low income aren't welcome at these schools. How many kids do you know at these privates on food stamps, section 8, medicaid? None. Those are the deserving kids.

If you want those kids you are going to have to provide 1)free transportation across the city at multiple points in time during the day (before school, after school, after sports) 2)free after care for the younger years 3)free books, sports fees (spring break costs, etc), uniforms, class dues. 4)free tutoring

Instead of $57k/year you are probably looking at close to $100K/student all-in.

You're talking as if a low-income kid has never attended a private school in U.S. history.

That’s true financial aid. How many attend your school?

It used to be that African American didn’t attend private school in the past and eventually changed. There are changes in the society that you cannot control. I think that idea that it is important to help people in a disadvantaged situation won’t go away, ever.

[Anonymous]

We get 80% financial aid and our HHI is about $160k with one kid.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These threads continue to prove that DCUM has no idea what poverty actually looks like. What everyone is describing as “poor” are actually lower middle class families who prioritize private education so they limit vacations, drive old cars, use public transit, etc. They need FA to close the gap and make private school a possibility.

I grew up poor. I never went on vacation until I went to WV with a boyfriend in high school to visit his family. Vacations aren’t something poor ppl don’t do some years. It something they can’t afford to do ever.

But posters here don’t even want lower middle income families in their schools and less low income. That’s my point. Move to a financial aid system prioritizing low income families.

You’re looking to create what’s described as a barbell effect simply to make yourself feel good. This has been studied and is generally not considered a desirable outcome.

Yes, let’s give financial aid to wealthy families and exclude low income families. Makes total sense!

These families are not low income. Low income aren't welcome at these schools. How many kids do you know at these privates on food stamps, section 8, medicaid? None. Those are the deserving kids.

If you want those kids you are going to have to provide 1)free transportation across the city at multiple points in time during the day (before school, after school, after sports) 2)free after care for the younger years 3)free books, sports fees (spring break costs, etc), uniforms, class dues. 4)free tutoring

Instead of $57k/year you are probably looking at close to $100K/student all-in.

You're talking as if a low-income kid has never attended a private school in U.S. history.

That’s true financial aid. How many attend your school?

It used to be that African American didn’t attend private school in the past and eventually changed. There are changes in the society that you cannot control. I think that idea that it is important to help people in a disadvantaged situation won’t go away, ever.

What are you talking about? Your post is both incoherent and false.

Btw, here’s a little history lesson: African Americans have been attending private high schools (day and boarding) for well over a century. For example, boarding schools like Phillips Exeter and Deerfield Academy started admitting AA students in the mid-1800s. Piney Woods School is a historically AA boarding school that was founded 116 years ago (it’s still operating). Google it and educate yourself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We get 80% financial aid and our HHI is about $160k with one kid.

That's pretty absurd to get that amount on that income.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These threads continue to prove that DCUM has no idea what poverty actually looks like. What everyone is describing as “poor” are actually lower middle class families who prioritize private education so they limit vacations, drive old cars, use public transit, etc. They need FA to close the gap and make private school a possibility.

I grew up poor. I never went on vacation until I went to WV with a boyfriend in high school to visit his family. Vacations aren’t something poor ppl don’t do some years. It something they can’t afford to do ever.

But posters here don’t even want lower middle income families in their schools and less low income. That’s my point. Move to a financial aid system prioritizing low income families.

You’re looking to create what’s described as a barbell effect simply to make yourself feel good. This has been studied and is generally not considered a desirable outcome.

Yes, let’s give financial aid to wealthy families and exclude low income families. Makes total sense!

These families are not low income. Low income aren't welcome at these schools. How many kids do you know at these privates on food stamps, section 8, medicaid? None. Those are the deserving kids.

If you want those kids you are going to have to provide 1)free transportation across the city at multiple points in time during the day (before school, after school, after sports) 2)free after care for the younger years 3)free books, sports fees (spring break costs, etc), uniforms, class dues. 4)free tutoring

Instead of $57k/year you are probably looking at close to $100K/student all-in.

You're talking as if a low-income kid has never attended a private school in U.S. history.

That’s true financial aid. How many attend your school?

It used to be that African American didn’t attend private school in the past and eventually changed. There are changes in the society that you cannot control. I think that idea that it is important to help people in a disadvantaged situation won’t go away, ever.

What are you talking about? Your post is both incoherent and false.

Btw, here’s a little history lesson: African Americans have been attending private high schools (day and boarding) for well over a century. For example, boarding schools like Phillips Exeter and Deerfield Academy started admitting AA students in the mid-1800s. Piney Woods School is a historically AA boarding school that was founded 116 years ago (it’s still operating). Google it and educate yourself.

I looked at the old photos in many elite schools in dc and they did not admit African Americans in 40s and 50s. I am not saying that I supported that policy. I am talking about objective reality of how exclusive the schools were and how this segregation continues against low income families.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:On what planet are you aware of the actual income and the assets/liabilities of other families and on what planet are you aware of everyone who applies and is granted FA?

Pro Tip: mind you own damn business. If you don’t want to give to the FA fundraisers, don’t. If you’re wealthy enough that it’s not even a consideration for you, be grateful.

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Anonymous wrote:These threads continue to prove that DCUM has no idea what poverty actually looks like. What everyone is describing as “poor” are actually lower middle class families who prioritize private education so they limit vacations, drive old cars, use public transit, etc. They need FA to close the gap and make private school a possibility.

I grew up poor. I never went on vacation until I went to WV with a boyfriend in high school to visit his family. Vacations aren’t something poor ppl don’t do some years. It something they can’t afford to do ever.

But posters here don’t even want lower middle income families in their schools and less low income. That’s my point. Move to a financial aid system prioritizing low income families.

You’re looking to create what’s described as a barbell effect simply to make yourself feel good. This has been studied and is generally not considered a desirable outcome.

Yes, let’s give financial aid to wealthy families and exclude low income families. Makes total sense!

These families are not low income. Low income aren't welcome at these schools. How many kids do you know at these privates on food stamps, section 8, medicaid? None. Those are the deserving kids.

If you want those kids you are going to have to provide 1)free transportation across the city at multiple points in time during the day (before school, after school, after sports) 2)free after care for the younger years 3)free books, sports fees (spring break costs, etc), uniforms, class dues. 4)free tutoring

Instead of $57k/year you are probably looking at close to $100K/student all-in.

You're talking as if a low-income kid has never attended a private school in U.S. history.

That’s true financial aid. How many attend your school?

It used to be that African American didn’t attend private school in the past and eventually changed. There are changes in the society that you cannot control. I think that idea that it is important to help people in a disadvantaged situation won’t go away, ever.

What are you talking about? Your post is both incoherent and false.

Btw, here’s a little history lesson: African Americans have been attending private high schools (day and boarding) for well over a century. For example, boarding schools like Phillips Exeter and Deerfield Academy started admitting AA students in the mid-1800s. Piney Woods School is a historically AA boarding school that was founded 116 years ago (it’s still operating). Google it and educate yourself.

I looked at the old photos in many elite schools in dc and they did not admit African Americans in 40s and 50s. I am not saying that I supported that policy. I am talking about objective reality of how exclusive the schools were and how this segregation continues against low income families.

Really?

“GDS was founded in 1945 as the first integrated school in the District of Columbia.”
https://www.gds.org/about/at-a-glance#

“In 1956, [Sidwell] enrolled Jeffrey Mazique, an African American student, in kindergarten…” https://www.sidwell.edu/about/history

“NCS' first African-American students who entered in the school in 1957…”
https://ncs.myschoolapp.com/page/news-detail?pk=684953&siteId=892&ssl=1#:~:text=On%20Friday%20Feb.%2025%2C%20NCS'%20Black%20Student,'65%2C%20Lucy%20Brown%20Franklin%2DMurray%20'66%2C%20and%20Virginia

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:On what planet are you aware of the actual income and the assets/liabilities of other families and on what planet are you aware of everyone who applies and is granted FA?

Pro Tip: mind you own damn business. If you don’t want to give to the FA fundraisers, don’t. If you’re wealthy enough that it’s not even a consideration for you, be grateful.

I do see that there are no low income families in my kids grade. All cars are big and new and all take several vacation trips a year. Do you think they qualify as low income families? Maybe you have a different concept of low income.

I have no idea if they are low income families but I do know that it’s none of your damn business.

Let me guess, anyone who dared question Covid policies was akin to a serial killer in your house? The days of people shutting down topics of discussion by claiming they are inappropriate should be over now no? This is a valid question and just because YOU maybe don’t want to think about this issue, doesn’t mean that it is not ok to bring up and discuss like normal civilized people.

[Anonymous]

Private school is not a right. If you live in one of the nicest neighborhoods in Chevy Chase and go to Nantucket for two weeks every summer and have 3 kids on FA at various schools around the city, that feels wrong to me. Because lots of people would love to do all that but they can’t because they are paying for their kids tuition - and yours kids tuitions too. Financial aid is not for people who COULD pay their own tuitions if they made normal sacrifices and lifestyle adjustments but they just don’t want to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Private school is not a right. If you live in one of the nicest neighborhoods in Chevy Chase and go to Nantucket for two weeks every summer and have 3 kids on FA at various schools around the city, that feels wrong to me. Because lots of people would love to do all that but they can’t because they are paying for their kids tuition - and yours kids tuitions too. Financial aid is not for people who COULD pay their own tuitions if they made normal sacrifices and lifestyle adjustments but they just don’t want to.

I doubt there’s a lot of people like this.