What SHOULD Dems do?

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Anonymous wrote:Substance. People want substance from their leaders. The packaging doesn't matter. Continue to try to shove neo-liberalism and corporatism down the throats of the electorate and it does not matter if your candidate is a white woman, a gay man, a black man, or what have you. It DOES NOT MATTER. It's the lack of substance that people are rejecting.

People are struggling to afford a basic standard of living. The GOP offers no solutions, but they do offer an outlet for their fear and anger. The Democrats only shot at countering fear and anger is with real substantive solutions. Raise the freaking minimum wage. Pass parental leave laws. Gut the for-profit medical industry. Address corruption and money in politics ON BOTH SIDES. Make owning a home a realistic dream for young people again. Make retirement a realistic dream for young people again. Make raising a family economically possible without a 6-figure salary again. Make it so every dang job can't require a masters degree while paying us poverty wages.

Stop arguing about what the candidate should look like and start talking about what people NEED and the solutions we can offer them to win their support.

The problem is that Trump’s challenge to the swamp forced Dems into a corner where we are now very pro-establishment. Democrats now believe and assert that the for-profit medical industry is not corrupt, and that anyone questioning it should be censored. Democrats can’t address corruption in government, they believe and assert that there is no corruption on the Democratic side, or even much wasteful spending at all. Democrats believe and assert that Biden’s economy was very strong, and that the affordability crisis is exaggerated by Trump voters. We came to these positions organically—we wanted to oppose Trump everywhere and always. But our pro-establishment stance is killing us in this climate of anti-establishment voters wanting change

These are very extreme interpretations of democrat beliefs. I don’t think any democrat believes there’s zero government waste, but they also do believe that the government isn’t a complete waste of resources and we should fund cancer, HIV, and epidemiological research, we shouldn’t delete whole departments because we think they aren’t 100% efficient, we shouldn’t fire thousands of Americans from their jobs either. Dems are some of the most critical of the healthcare industry around, but they also do believe in vaccines and medicine

This is just a convoluted way of admitting I’m right. These are very pro-establishment beliefs in the eyes of average voters, even if they feel wise and nuanced to you.

NP How is that "pro-establishment"? Serious question.

It’s pro-establishment to fight against audits and cost-cutting in government (while grudgingly admitting that okay maybe there is some waste) and it’s pro-establishment to promote for-profit corporate pharmaceutical products and insist that people should “believe” captured regulators (while grudgingly admitting that okay maybe the bloated health care industry is kind of corrupt). Defenders of corrupt systems don’t get to pat themselves on the back as reformers just because they admit the corruption as a side note).

NP...

Let's be clear on some things.

OIG, GAO, OMB, Congress, and other oversight agencies audited, rooted out corruption, and cut costs for years and nobody fought against it. Nobody defended corrupt systems.

DOGE is anti-establishment in that it isn't actually auditing anything or doing real cost cutting, it is just burning things to the ground. They are not finding corruption, they are fabricating bullshit reasons to destroy needed agencies and services.

. I wonder why the federal budget never declined by even one dollar after all those years of cost cutting by so many wonderful oversight agencies. I wonder how we got up to $7 Trillion in amnual federal spending.

Why do you suppose DOGE is acting so crazy? Could it be that rooting out stubborn waste requires drastic executive action instead of “processes” that have never ever reduced spending? Or do you really think that Trump and Musk are just sadists who want to “destroy needed services”? Pretend for a moment that they weren’t your political enemies, but your friends. Can you imagine any reasons for them to do this other than wanting to “destroy needed services”?

Yes. Musk is targeting agencies that regulate his companies and provide contracts to competitors. For example, NHTSA cuts will make it almost impossible to report on understand any ongoing safety issues with Teslas. It's a massive conflict of interest.

And it's all illegal. Only Congress can create, fund, or defund agencies. Once allocated, the executive branch is obligated to disburse the monies.

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Anonymous wrote:There were people in that crowd who were there to murder members of Congress

And, at mango Mussolini’s command, they were looking to do the same to the sitting vice president

You can think the above statements are over the top, but these are indisputable facts

Keep hammering these facts. They are obviously very moving to the voters!.

Look, I was just stating facts. I never said I was trying to move anyone. Obviously voters didn’t care about any of it. I’ll never understand it and I have lost my faith in my fellow Americans because of it, but that’s my personal feelings.

I’ve lost faith in you for blurring the line between “facts” and smearing political opposition. People don’t agree with your motivated reasoning, and it’s not because they are stupid.

Oh, is this the "they were just peaceful tourists out for a day of love" argument? Apparently you think people are stupid enough to fall for obvious gaslighting.

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Anonymous wrote:No, the Maga person stole the D’s Congressional seat

This didn’t happen. Didn’t Rs actually lose a seat or two from their already slim majority?

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Anonymous wrote:NP. The Democrats need to support young Black male politicians like the impressive and courageous Rep. Wheeler below, and not support the straight-out-of-DCUM clown at the end of the clip lecturing the Black man about Jim Crow laws.

But I bet the Party hierarchy is going to viciously target Rep. Wheeler and promote the pompous idiot at the end. Thus the Party will continue to hemorrhage voters.

I’d like my uterus to be a private space, but the GOP keeps insisting I let fetuses with male genitalia live there. And their male DNA is contaminating my blood (true story, Google it).

If you asked a female what bothered her most -I’ll bet she tells you she cares more about the violation to her own body than whoever is peeing in the still next door.

If you’re going to stand up for us, try asking us what we want.

Who is “us”? Wealthy and UMC liberal white women? Who cares, they routinely alienate all other voting demographics anyhow.

You think you represent most voters at this point? The hubris is amazing.

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Anonymous wrote:January 6th is everything to me

I was traumatized by that and can't fathom how the Republicans rationalize it.

Just had a day long argument with my mother, who'd rationalizing why it's OK my spouse just got fired from the feds, and she seems to think J6 was only about 4-6 hours long, so it's implausible that 1,500 or more would be arrested and convicted. That there must be shenanigans in the prosecution somehow.

I asked her if she had read the Jan 6 committee report. https://www.amazon.com/January-6-Report-6th-Committee/dp/0063315505. Nope.

Or Jack Smith's report. https://electionlawblog.org/wp-content/uploads/report-of-special-counsel-smith-volume-1-january-2025.pdf Nope.

Or Michael Fanone's book. Nope. Harry Dunn's? Nope. Aquilino Gonell's? Nope.

The Breach by a Republican congressman? Perhaps more believable to her. Nope. https://www.amazon.com/Breach-Untold-Story-Investigation-January/dp/1250866766

Has she viewed body worn camera footage? Nope.

Everyone needs to go to primary sources. The days are over where media was a reliable secondary source of information.

I would sit her down on the couch and pull it up on the TV.

Your poor mother. You should leave her alone.

dcurbanmoms can’t help ourselves. We take the MOST hyperpartisan spin we could possibly create (“this was an armed insurrection!”) and then we pretend to ourselves that it wasn’t written by political hacks but rather by the Encyclopedia Brittannica. Or God.

You are almost certainly too politically biased to be objective about Jan6. As such, you are wuite possibly mistaken about much of it, and you are making a big mistake lecturing your mom about it.

My buddy from San Francisco spent a lot of time lecturing his elderly father about race, trans issues, etc. he regrets it now.

I’ve gone down this oath many times. It’s not worth it. Nobody needs a political education from any of us. Tread carefully, that’s my unsolicited free advice. Sorry if this is offensive , but I’m telling youbthis out of love. J6 is old news. Swing voters don’t care about and don’t agree with you. Changing your mom’s mind will accomplish nothing. But it mights train your relationship. Why choose a topic that upsets you for conversations with your Mom.

I’m a swing voter that was terrified by the Jan 6 riots. What is the “objective” perspective? Seriously asking.

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Anonymous wrote:Substance. People want substance from their leaders. The packaging doesn't matter. Continue to try to shove neo-liberalism and corporatism down the throats of the electorate and it does not matter if your candidate is a white woman, a gay man, a black man, or what have you. It DOES NOT MATTER. It's the lack of substance that people are rejecting.

People are struggling to afford a basic standard of living. The GOP offers no solutions, but they do offer an outlet for their fear and anger. The Democrats only shot at countering fear and anger is with real substantive solutions. Raise the freaking minimum wage. Pass parental leave laws. Gut the for-profit medical industry. Address corruption and money in politics ON BOTH SIDES. Make owning a home a realistic dream for young people again. Make retirement a realistic dream for young people again. Make raising a family economically possible without a 6-figure salary again. Make it so every dang job can't require a masters degree while paying us poverty wages.

Stop arguing about what the candidate should look like and start talking about what people NEED and the solutions we can offer them to win their support.

The problem is that Trump’s challenge to the swamp forced Dems into a corner where we are now very pro-establishment. Democrats now believe and assert that the for-profit medical industry is not corrupt, and that anyone questioning it should be censored. Democrats can’t address corruption in government, they believe and assert that there is no corruption on the Democratic side, or even much wasteful spending at all. Democrats believe and assert that Biden’s economy was very strong, and that the affordability crisis is exaggerated by Trump voters. We came to these positions organically—we wanted to oppose Trump everywhere and always. But our pro-establishment stance is killing us in this climate of anti-establishment voters wanting change

These are very extreme interpretations of democrat beliefs. I don’t think any democrat believes there’s zero government waste, but they also do believe that the government isn’t a complete waste of resources and we should fund cancer, HIV, and epidemiological research, we shouldn’t delete whole departments because we think they aren’t 100% efficient, we shouldn’t fire thousands of Americans from their jobs either. Dems are some of the most critical of the healthcare industry around, but they also do believe in vaccines and medicine

They believe in MANDATES. Mandates without necessary proof of need, just based on mass hysteria and corporate opportunism and government control. Sorry, this won't help win votes outside of minority of those who are still living stuck in 2021.

Mandates to have babies? Mandates to cut trans children and adults off their healthcare?

Oh no, you meant the mandate to suck it up and get a shot so you don’t turn into a disease grenade.

Selfish babies. Wimps.

You are unhinged, angry and also stuck in 2021. You just want a time machine to go back, it won't happen. A party that caters to this POV is a lost cause.

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Anonymous wrote:Whatever this is, do the opposite.

Can you prove it was arson and not just another one of Musk’s shoddily built, death trap cars catching fire again? No, you cannot.

And if it was arson, can they prove it was a Democrat, and not an anarchocommunist, or a random mentally ill person, or anything else? Nope, you can't.

Well it’s sure not a MAGA.

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Anonymous wrote:The party isn’t telling people to set fire to Teslas

And most sane people don’t condone it.

It’s a rage outlet I didn’t see coming, that’s for certain.

Destroying people’s property isn’t legal.

I hardly see a groundswell of Democratic politicians loudly speaking up to condemn the violence. Democrats always insist that anyone who is silent about domestic terrorism supports it, so the same logic applies here.

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Anonymous wrote:Whatever this is, do the opposite.

Can you prove it was arson and not just another one of Musk’s shoddily built, death trap cars catching fire again? No, you cannot.

And if it was arson, can they prove it was a Democrat, and not an anarchocommunist, or a random mentally ill person, or anything else? Nope, you can't.

Well it’s sure not a MAGA.

They’re too busy burning lockboxes and Democratic headquarters.

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Anonymous wrote:I love elimination of all the fraud, waste and abuse. There should be more cuts to federal spending. More fat can be trimmed.

+1,000,000

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Anonymous wrote:The party isn’t telling people to set fire to Teslas

And most sane people don’t condone it.

It’s a rage outlet I didn’t see coming, that’s for certain.

Destroying people’s property isn’t legal.

I hardly see a groundswell of Democratic politicians loudly speaking up to condemn the violence. Democrats always insist that anyone who is silent about domestic terrorism supports it, so the same logic applies here.

Democrat politicians aren't the ones responsible for the violent backlash.

That's all on Trump and Musk and those who support them.

If you're really so concerned, then it's YOU and your fellow REPUBLICANS who need to be loudly speaking up, to rein Trump and Musk in.

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Anonymous wrote:Whatever this is, do the opposite.

Can you prove it was arson and not just another one of Musk’s shoddily built, death trap cars catching fire again? No, you cannot.

And if it was arson, can they prove it was a Democrat, and not an anarchocommunist, or a random mentally ill person, or anything else? Nope, you can't.

Well it’s sure not a MAGA.

Not-MAGA doesn't make it a Democrat. A lot of people across the spectrum are starting to hate what Trump and Musk are doing.

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Anonymous wrote:The party isn’t telling people to set fire to Teslas

And most sane people don’t condone it.

It’s a rage outlet I didn’t see coming, that’s for certain.

Destroying people’s property isn’t legal.

I hardly see a groundswell of Democratic politicians loudly speaking up to condemn the violence. Democrats always insist that anyone who is silent about domestic terrorism supports it, so the same logic applies here.

Democrat politicians aren't the ones responsible for the violent backlash.

That's all on Trump and Musk and those who support them.

If you're really so concerned, then it's YOU and your fellow REPUBLICANS who need to be loudly speaking up, to rein Trump and Musk in.

Nothing says Democrat like victim blaming and shaming.

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Anonymous wrote:January 6th is everything to me

I was traumatized by that and can't fathom how the Republicans rationalize it.

I’m traumatized by Nancy’s personal security officer murdering an UNARMED white female veteran with ZERO warning.

THAT’S ILLEGAL.

He got a promotion and a cushy job in the basement of the LOC… far away from voting American citizens.

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Anonymous wrote:The party isn’t telling people to set fire to Teslas

And most sane people don’t condone it.

It’s a rage outlet I didn’t see coming, that’s for certain.

Destroying people’s property isn’t legal.

I hardly see a groundswell of Democratic politicians loudly speaking up to condemn the violence. Democrats always insist that anyone who is silent about domestic terrorism supports it, so the same logic applies here.

Democrat politicians aren't the ones responsible for the violent backlash.

That's all on Trump and Musk and those who support them.

If you're really so concerned, then it's YOU and your fellow REPUBLICANS who need to be loudly speaking up, to rein Trump and Musk in.

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Our party is doomed.

- A disillusioned Democrat.