Unvaxxed child in Texas just died of the measles

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm curious if this was a Mennonite child and if so, why they weren't vaccinated. Vaccination is not prohibited by the religion but I assume there are different cultures with different regional groups. So I'm wondering if a vaccination campaign would easily convince them to get vaccinated, or would they be likely to continue to refuse? Sometimes it really is a matter of education and evidence.

I grew up in West Texas and was back there this weekend. A woman walked out of Target wearing a t-shirt that said, "I don't co-parent with the government." That pretty much sums it up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm curious if this was a Mennonite child and if so, why they weren't vaccinated. Vaccination is not prohibited by the religion but I assume there are different cultures with different regional groups. So I'm wondering if a vaccination campaign would easily convince them to get vaccinated, or would they be likely to continue to refuse? Sometimes it really is a matter of education and evidence.

I grew up in West Texas and was back there this weekend. A woman walked out of Target wearing a t-shirt that said, "I don't co-parent with the government." That pretty much sums it up.

Measles is going to burn through West Texas like Sherman's trip to Atlanta.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish I could broadcast this to all the south florida moms facebook groups but alas.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/person-dies-measles-west-texas-outbreak-rcna193812

South Florida schools require being vaccinated to attend.

Like quite a few states Florida has religious exemptions. It’s very easy to get that exemption.

New York doesn’t have any exemptions with regard to vaccinations but Ultra Orthodox Jews in NYC don’t vaccinate their children. They had an outbreak in Brooklyn about six years ago. It was mostly contained in the Jewish community and they have their own schools but since most of them have state medical insurance it was a drain on the city. People had secondary illnesses caused by the measles breaks and many needed hospitalization for severe measles.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish I could broadcast this to all the south florida moms facebook groups but alas.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/person-dies-measles-west-texas-outbreak-rcna193812

Nonsense, measles isn’t a deadly disease!
- current Health & Human Services Secretary

I know this is sarcasm, but just to put it out there that what RFK is spouting is fake news, lest anyone believe him:

“Before the introduction of measles vaccine in 1963 and widespread vaccination, major epidemics occurred approximately every two to three years and caused an estimated 2.6 million deaths each year.

An estimated 107 500 people died from measles in 2023 – mostly children under the age of five years, despite the availability of a safe and cost-effective vaccine.”

https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/measles

[Anonymous]

Vaccination rates for all citizens not just children…

“ Rhode Island was followed by Massachusetts, Maine, Washington state and Maryland in the top five ranking of "states that vaccinate the most."”

“ At the other end of the scale, Mississippi was joined by Alaska, Kentucky, Oklahoma and Texas as the five states with the lowest vaccination rates.”

Why is this always the case?

https://www.newsweek.com/us-states-vaccination-rate-ranking-highest-lowest-1953539

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm curious if this was a Mennonite child and if so, why they weren't vaccinated. Vaccination is not prohibited by the religion but I assume there are different cultures with different regional groups. So I'm wondering if a vaccination campaign would easily convince them to get vaccinated, or would they be likely to continue to refuse? Sometimes it really is a matter of education and evidence.

I grew up in West Texas and was back there this weekend. A woman walked out of Target wearing a t-shirt that said, "I don't co-parent with the government." That pretty much sums it up.

For some reason (FOX news, right wing influencers) vaccines are no longer a way to save kids lives, they are "government overreach."

Unfortunately there will be a lot of dead and disabled kids, just like there were before the vaccines were there to help.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wish I could broadcast this to all the south florida moms facebook groups but alas.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/person-dies-measles-west-texas-outbreak-rcna193812

Hate to say it but, oh well

[Anonymous]

Just stop with all the fearmongering. There is no information about the health of the child who died. I've posted before that I had measles as a child as did my parents and their parents and all my friends and relatives and not anyone we knew or anyone they knew died. This child must have been very sick. It's quite sad that he wasn't vaccinated, but he might have died from something else if he were very sick. Measles is not polio. It's not going to spark a pandemic. All will be well. Calm down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just stop with all the fearmongering. There is no information about the health of the child who died. I've posted before that I had measles as a child as did my parents and their parents and all my friends and relatives and not anyone we knew or anyone they knew died. This child must have been very sick. It's quite sad that he wasn't vaccinated, but he might have died from something else if he were very sick. Measles is not polio. It's not going to spark a pandemic. All will be well. Calm down.

Sorry, but you're some random internet anonymous poster. Death range from measles is 1 in 1,000. So no one cares about the dozen people you know that are not the one in a thousand. One in a thousand would be close to half a dozen dead kids just in the local school district near me. One on a thousand is truly terrible odds.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just stop with all the fearmongering. There is no information about the health of the child who died. I've posted before that I had measles as a child as did my parents and their parents and all my friends and relatives and not anyone we knew or anyone they knew died. This child must have been very sick. It's quite sad that he wasn't vaccinated, but he might have died from something else if he were very sick. Measles is not polio. It's not going to spark a pandemic. All will be well. Calm down.

This is a really gross take. So we should let kids who are already sick or immune compromised just catch any infectious disease because they ‘might have died from something else’ anyway? You are heartless.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Retired infectious disease doctor here, who has never personally seen a case of measles. The news of the measles outbreak and death of a child is a failure for public health. In 1983, measles was nearly eradicated, but due to funding

PP. I’ve had that glass of wine. If you are curious about your measles status, you can get a titer drawn, as several PP’s have noted already. A titer was mandatory when I was in med school, and out of a class of 150+, we all passed, thanks to MMR.

Measles is the overachiever when it comes to Hollywood style infectiousness. The R0, or R not, is a measure of infectiousness, and tells you how many community infections will result from a single case. The common cold R0 is 2-3. Flu is 1-2. Covid is 2-4. Measles is 12-18. Norovirus is only around 3-4 or so, so that should tell you something about the contagious power of measles.

The only other disease that comes close is pertussis, or whooping cough, and no surprise, that is also starting to come back.

Now that the cdc is being muzzled, it is up to our excellent and hardworking local health departments of towns, counties, and states to pick up the slack. Thank you to all of them.

Titers cost money. Vaccines are free for me. I’m getting my second shingles vaccine next week. What’s the harm in getting a measles vaccine if I’m already immune? I had them at age 4. I also got Rubella at age 19 even though I had the vaccine nine years prior.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm curious if this was a Mennonite child and if so, why they weren't vaccinated. Vaccination is not prohibited by the religion but I assume there are different cultures with different regional groups. So I'm wondering if a vaccination campaign would easily convince them to get vaccinated, or would they be likely to continue to refuse? Sometimes it really is a matter of education and evidence.

I grew up in West Texas and was back there this weekend. A woman walked out of Target wearing a t-shirt that said, "I don't co-parent with the government." That pretty much sums it up.

For some reason (FOX news, right wing influencers) vaccines are no longer a way to save kids lives, they are "government overreach."

Unfortunately there will be a lot of dead and disabled kids, just like there were before the vaccines were there to help.

And think of the wasted resources. Lot more expensive to take care of a disabled person or try to save a dying person than the cost of a vaccine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wish I could broadcast this to all the south florida moms facebook groups but alas.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/person-dies-measles-west-texas-outbreak-rcna193812

South Florida schools require being vaccinated to attend.

Like quite a few states Florida has religious exemptions. It’s very easy to get that exemption.

New York doesn’t have any exemptions with regard to vaccinations but Ultra Orthodox Jews in NYC don’t vaccinate their children. They had an outbreak in Brooklyn about six years ago. It was mostly contained in the Jewish community and they have their own schools but since most of them have state medical insurance it was a drain on the city. People had secondary illnesses caused by the measles breaks and many needed hospitalization for severe measles.

The exemption is super easy. When I take my kids for their wellness visits, I follow the vaccine schedule their doctor recommends. My kids' doctor recommends it at age 5. When I registered my kid for KG, they were still 4 at the time and hadn't received the second shot. They gave me a standard form to sign for a religious exemption and that was it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:i HATE this liberatarian view. I don't have time to research flu strains to decide what one to seek out to get my kids. I want my government to be trustworthy and work with Drs who are skilled in the field.
I don't want to learn how to put out fires, i want to trust my fire department.
I don't want to learn how to build my house.
i want a contractor and regulations to ensure it is safe.

Thank you. +100

Jesus, yes, exactly. How the h*ll am I supposed to know what flu strains I need to be vaxxed against - I almost failed organic chemistry. I am not a public health expert. Did we see what happened when everyone had to become their own public health expert during COVID? It didn't go well! For the love of dog I just want a trustworthy boring federal government that will do what it is supposed to do and let me live my life making the decisions I AM qualified and empowered to make.

I HATE this - I hate everything about this. I want the government to do its job. I want clean water and air, I want food to be safe, I want to have a flu vaccine I can trust without having to do my own gd research!

[Anonymous]

“Measles, mumps, and rubella can cause inflammation of the testicles (orchitis). Severe orchitis can result in testicular atrophy, or shrinkage. Beyond reduction in sperm production, testicular swelling and resulting shrinkage can negatively alter sperm shape and function.”

This might be a self correcting problem. If we let the morons get measles, maybe fewer morons?

Of course, maybe more from the misshapen sperm and that’s how we got so many Trump voters. If only the NIH was funded to do research….