Middle School start times

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Anonymous wrote:Keep the current schedule.

Middle schoolers are fine with the current schedule

LOL, no, they're not at all. C2 it is. E defeats the whole point of this exercise by not shifting MS late enough, and causes everyone else to shift as well. "Ease of communication"? What a horsesh!t justification... "Dear parents, next year Larla's school will be shifting their bell schedule to <X>". Doesn't really matter what X is for communication purposes.

E will be chosen as it’s the least disruptive. Everyone will have to compromise by 30 minutes.

It is the most disruptive! Literally that schedule is only good for middle school. Seriously, anyone thinking ES should be going to school till 4:35 and getting home past 5, is insane, especially for middle schoolers to get 30 extra mins of sleep.

So you really just mean it’s the most disruptive for elem kids. This study is about what’s best for middle schoolers.

Why do you care - it's 2 years vs. 7. Guess which ones are more important?

Middle school is way more important as they are preparing for high school and actually learning real content from experts in a particular subject. Elem school is a total joke.

You're write. Learning how to read and do math is a total joke.

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Anonymous wrote:Option E is better than the current schedule. Now we have middle school students standing at bus stops and walking to school in the dark. If they started at 8am instead of 7am, it would be much safer for the MS kids, plus they would get much needed rest for the development. Even an 8am start is early, but it’s a vast improvement.

I'd rather my 12 and 13 year old have to walk to the bus stop when the sun is rising than my neighbor's 5 and 7 year olds walking home in the dark. There are days when it's dark at 5:15pm. There are days when the bus is 15-20 minutes late.

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Anonymous wrote:This makes me mad. I've been looking forward to my middle schooler getting more sleep next year. I think it is stupid if they don't implement it for another year. By that time my middle schooler will no longer be in middle school and will have had to get up too early for 2 whole years while they have been studying it. They make everything more complicated than it has to be.

Be careful what you wish for


Giving middle schoolers the better schrdule means a crap schedule for all 4 years of high school when school actually counts, and a crappier schedule for the 7 to 8 years of elementary school.

Why on earth Reid even brought this up when the best solution is still the current schedule is beyond anyone's wildest guess.

Middle school is 2 years and the grades don't count.

Leave the schedule as it is.

You keep ignoring the fact that many kids take high school level classes in middle school such ans: Algebra 1 HN, Geometry HN, and even Algebra 2 HN. As well as Foreign Language 1 or 2.

You know where the grades actually don’t count? Elementary School. They don’t even get letter grades. They can have the crappy times.

No,those middle school grades don't count, even for high school credit.

One, you can expunge them.

Two, tgere is not a college in the country that cares if your kid got a B or an A in 8th grade algebra or 8th grade Spanish. Heck, the colleges don't even care if your muddle schoolers get a C (which any reasonable parent will expunge and have their kid retake)

Colleges don't even look at your middle achool casses, not even the ones your kid took for high school credit.

Middle school grades Do Not Matter.

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Anonymous wrote:Or will they just stop doing after-school clubs? I’m curious how important those are to the middle school experience, as my kids are all still in elementary.

After school this week, I saw piles (had to literally step over some, ha) of kids loving finally finding “their people” at D&D club. Drama and music kids rehearsing for the MS musical. Kids painting sets and props for the musical. Community service activities. Tons of kids getting tutoring from their teachers, for free, getting both help and connection. The positive energy was palpable (the musical looks great!). The MS after school program is the heart of middle school.

Yes let’s continue to make kids get up at 5:30 am so they can have this after school program.

Get a grip. E will shift by only 30 minutes and be a win win for all. They can still have their previous after school activities, just half an hour later.

HELLO HAVE YOU HEARD ABOUT LATE START ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS??? I don't want my 6 year old getting home from school at 5:10pm. YES, with school ending at 4:45, my kid won't get home until after 5:00pm. How is anyone okay with that?????

Nobody wants that except a handful of crazy loud middle school parents who don't seem to realize that

A) elementary school is 3-4x as many years as middle school

B) high school is twice as long as middle school

C) high school grades matter. Middle school grades don't, not even the ones they take for high school credit (colleges don't care about middle school grades)

D) the late schedule is far too late for High School and far too late for Elementary School

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Middle school is only 2 years.

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Anonymous wrote:Option E is better than the current schedule. Now we have middle school students standing at bus stops and walking to school in the dark. If they started at 8am instead of 7am, it would be much safer for the MS kids, plus they would get much needed rest for the development. Even an 8am start is early, but it’s a vast improvement.

So you would rather have 1st graders walk home in the dark.

Got it.

My goodness, some of these middle school parents are so short sighted.

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Anonymous wrote:^^^ 3rd paragraph should end with "either way". Yes, MS schedule shifts more under C2 but that's kind of the whole point. It's a minor adjustment for the MS years.

Getting out at 4:25 pm doesn’t make sense for middle schoolers - they have more time consuming homework. And they wouldn’t be able to do any sports or activities. That is why E makes more sense - MS will get 30 extra minutes of sleep and still have their after school activities. Many elementary schools are already homework free so those students can get out later.

My middle schooler rarely has homework. They do all their work in class. Do you even have a middle schooler?

My MS kid rarely has homework but he has friends who always have homework. Some kids can’t get the work done in class and have to finish at home. The notices posted on schoology seem to indicate that it is a decent number of kids.

So we are going to ruin school for elementary kids by sending them to school until 4:30 PM, and mess up high school schedules of the kids who have hours of real homework, whose grades actually count for college, and whose sport/musicals/concerts/jobs already finish at 10:00 PM or later, to aapease a small group of middle school parents whose kids screw around in class not doing their (easy) school work, for 2 quick years of inconvenience?

Only this school board could be so short sighted and foolish.

Did I say that? I said that MS kids have homework. That is what I said.

The 7:30 start time for MS kids is ridiculous. The solution, to me, is to have enough busses and bus drivers that we can get kids to school on a schedule that makes sense. We cannot afford that and there are not enough bus drivers so we need a different solution.

MS gets the shaft because it is a 2 year period of time. Based on sleep schedules, I suspect that there are a lot more ES kids who are up by 7 AM, not all but probably a decent majority, and ES could start earlier. But parents would have to provide after care with a 7:30 or 8:00 start time and that will cause an outcry. ES is also the largest moved for busses, because of the number of schools and the shortest walking zone, so it would take a while to get the kids to school. MS and HS start times would be moved to sometime after 9:00, which would mess up after school activities for a lot of kids.

The end solution is probably keep things as they are and have MS kids suck it up for a few years, moving to a slightly better schedule in HS.

The reality is that we can all find individual exemptions to the norm, “My ES kids doesn’t wake up until 8 and it will be a struggle if school starts earlier” type thing. “My MS didn’t have homework so who cares about homework time after school.” You need to realize that there are exceptions to the rule and the one of two kids you know who are like your kids probably are not the norm.

Do you know why there's not enough busses and bus drivers? There is ONE REASON: AAP CENTERS. If AAP CENTERS were eliminated, we'd have enough busses to start middle schools later without shifting anyone else's start times but oh god no, the very SMALL percentage of families who insist on AAP are apparently so important that we have to appease them instead of worrying about EVERY family in the entire school system that has to send a child through middle school. AAP CENTERS NEED TO GO. THAT IS THE ONLY SOLUTION.

You are wrong.

There are far more midde school busses required than are used to bus kids to centers.

Eliminating centers will not provide enough busses for middle schools, as each middle school has well over 1000-1400 bus riders.

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Anonymous wrote:^^^ 3rd paragraph should end with "either way". Yes, MS schedule shifts more under C2 but that's kind of the whole point. It's a minor adjustment for the MS years.

Getting out at 4:25 pm doesn’t make sense for middle schoolers - they have more time consuming homework. And they wouldn’t be able to do any sports or activities. That is why E makes more sense - MS will get 30 extra minutes of sleep and still have their after school activities. Many elementary schools are already homework free so those students can get out later.

My middle schooler rarely has homework. They do all their work in class. Do you even have a middle schooler?

My MS kid rarely has homework but he has friends who always have homework. Some kids can’t get the work done in class and have to finish at home. The notices posted on schoology seem to indicate that it is a decent number of kids.

So we are going to ruin school for elementary kids by sending them to school until 4:30 PM, and mess up high school schedules of the kids who have hours of real homework, whose grades actually count for college, and whose sport/musicals/concerts/jobs already finish at 10:00 PM or later, to aapease a small group of middle school parents whose kids screw around in class not doing their (easy) school work, for 2 quick years of inconvenience?

Only this school board could be so short sighted and foolish.

Did I say that? I said that MS kids have homework. That is what I said.

The 7:30 start time for MS kids is ridiculous. The solution, to me, is to have enough busses and bus drivers that we can get kids to school on a schedule that makes sense. We cannot afford that and there are not enough bus drivers so we need a different solution.

MS gets the shaft because it is a 2 year period of time. Based on sleep schedules, I suspect that there are a lot more ES kids who are up by 7 AM, not all but probably a decent majority, and ES could start earlier. But parents would have to provide after care with a 7:30 or 8:00 start time and that will cause an outcry. ES is also the largest moved for busses, because of the number of schools and the shortest walking zone, so it would take a while to get the kids to school. MS and HS start times would be moved to sometime after 9:00, which would mess up after school activities for a lot of kids.

The end solution is probably keep things as they are and have MS kids suck it up for a few years, moving to a slightly better schedule in HS.

The reality is that we can all find individual exemptions to the norm, “My ES kids doesn’t wake up until 8 and it will be a struggle if school starts earlier” type thing. “My MS didn’t have homework so who cares about homework time after school.” You need to realize that there are exceptions to the rule and the one of two kids you know who are like your kids probably are not the norm.

Do you know why there's not enough busses and bus drivers? There is ONE REASON: AAP CENTERS. If AAP CENTERS were eliminated, we'd have enough busses to start middle schools later without shifting anyone else's start times but oh god no, the very SMALL percentage of families who insist on AAP are apparently so important that we have to appease them instead of worrying about EVERY family in the entire school system that has to send a child through middle school. AAP CENTERS NEED TO GO. THAT IS THE ONLY SOLUTION.

The 2 centers that feed into our middle school only use 1/4 of the busses that our middle school uses.

This is the same across the district.

AAP only uses a fraction of the busses needed to transport middle school students

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Anonymous wrote:They won’t shift the times now that most parents are back in the office. Now parents are forced to find before school care and after school.

So just like it was for all the years before COVID. That is what it always was.

We didn't have elementary schools starting at 9:50am before Covid. That is what your beloved option E is offering us. It's absurd. Do you know how long the wait list is for before care?

Option E is the worst option of all

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Anonymous wrote:Option E is better than the current schedule. Now we have middle school students standing at bus stops and walking to school in the dark. If they started at 8am instead of 7am, it would be much safer for the MS kids, plus they would get much needed rest for the development. Even an 8am start is early, but it’s a vast improvement.

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Option c2 is a vast improvement and EVERYONE gets what they need. The people saying E is a bast improvement are not understanding that having little kids get home in the dark and WALK in the dark is not appropriate. 4:05 dismissal times currently leave around 4:20. We already have kids getting home around 5. If dismissal was at 4:35, kids wouldn’t actually be leaving until 4:55, meaning they won’t get home till 5:30.

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Anonymous wrote:Option E is better than the current schedule. Now we have middle school students standing at bus stops and walking to school in the dark. If they started at 8am instead of 7am, it would be much safer for the MS kids, plus they would get much needed rest for the development. Even an 8am start is early, but it’s a vast improvement.

I'd rather my 12 and 13 year old have to walk to the bus stop when the sun is rising than my neighbor's 5 and 7 year olds walking home in the dark. There are days when it's dark at 5:15pm. There are days when the bus is 15-20 minutes late.

This. Comparing 12-14 year olds walking home in the dark vs a 7 year old is totally different. 12-13 year old will have phones and are responsible and can be left alone without an adult for a few hours. A 7 year old cannot.

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Anonymous wrote:Or will they just stop doing after-school clubs? I’m curious how important those are to the middle school experience, as my kids are all still in elementary.

After school this week, I saw piles (had to literally step over some, ha) of kids loving finally finding “their people” at D&D club. Drama and music kids rehearsing for the MS musical. Kids painting sets and props for the musical. Community service activities. Tons of kids getting tutoring from their teachers, for free, getting both help and connection. The positive energy was palpable (the musical looks great!). The MS after school program is the heart of middle school.

Yes let’s continue to make kids get up at 5:30 am so they can have this after school program.

Get a grip. E will shift by only 30 minutes and be a win win for all. They can still have their previous after school activities, just half an hour later.

HELLO HAVE YOU HEARD ABOUT LATE START ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS??? I don't want my 6 year old getting home from school at 5:10pm. YES, with school ending at 4:45, my kid won't get home until after 5:00pm. How is anyone okay with that?????

Nobody wants that except a handful of crazy loud middle school parents who don't seem to realize that

A) elementary school is 3-4x as many years as middle school

B) high school is twice as long as middle school

C) high school grades matter. Middle school grades don't, not even the ones they take for high school credit (colleges don't care about middle school grades)

D) the late schedule is far too late for High School and far too late for Elementary School

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Middle school is only 2 years.

This. ES kids outnumber any group this affects due to being K-6. ES should absolutely not have 7-8 years of a terrible schedule. People don’t realize that ES builds foundational skills and why grades may not matter, they are setting the skills in place for secondary school. You will have an hour and a half of wasted learning time with Option E. Cause the kids are DONE by 3 and the last hour is whack a mole and making sure we all survive.

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Anonymous wrote:This makes me mad. I've been looking forward to my middle schooler getting more sleep next year. I think it is stupid if they don't implement it for another year. By that time my middle schooler will no longer be in middle school and will have had to get up too early for 2 whole years while they have been studying it. They make everything more complicated than it has to be.

Be careful what you wish for


Giving middle schoolers the better schrdule means a crap schedule for all 4 years of high school when school actually counts, and a crappier schedule for the 7 to 8 years of elementary school.

Why on earth Reid even brought this up when the best solution is still the current schedule is beyond anyone's wildest guess.

Middle school is 2 years and the grades don't count.

Leave the schedule as it is.

You keep ignoring the fact that many kids take high school level classes in middle school such ans: Algebra 1 HN, Geometry HN, and even Algebra 2 HN. As well as Foreign Language 1 or 2.

You know where the grades actually don’t count? Elementary School. They don’t even get letter grades. They can have the crappy times.

No,those middle school grades don't count, even for high school credit.

One, you can expunge them.

Two, tgere is not a college in the country that cares if your kid got a B or an A in 8th grade algebra or 8th grade Spanish. Heck, the colleges don't even care if your muddle schoolers get a C (which any reasonable parent will expunge and have their kid retake)

Colleges don't even look at your middle achool casses, not even the ones your kid took for high school credit.

Middle school grades Do Not Matter.

What? Have you not had a highschooler?
I have a senior. On their transcript is absolutely their algebra, geometry, and language, classes, and grades that do count towards their high school GPA.
I also have a high school freshman - in ParentVue, under Course History, you can see their cumulative GPA based on those same three classes they took in middle school, along with a transcript.

Middle school grades - when they are high school classes like math and language -
Absolutely.Do.Matter!!

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Anonymous wrote:Or will they just stop doing after-school clubs? I’m curious how important those are to the middle school experience, as my kids are all still in elementary.

After school this week, I saw piles (had to literally step over some, ha) of kids loving finally finding “their people” at D&D club. Drama and music kids rehearsing for the MS musical. Kids painting sets and props for the musical. Community service activities. Tons of kids getting tutoring from their teachers, for free, getting both help and connection. The positive energy was palpable (the musical looks great!). The MS after school program is the heart of middle school.

Yes let’s continue to make kids get up at 5:30 am so they can have this after school program.

Get a grip. E will shift by only 30 minutes and be a win win for all. They can still have their previous after school activities, just half an hour later.

HELLO HAVE YOU HEARD ABOUT LATE START ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS??? I don't want my 6 year old getting home from school at 5:10pm. YES, with school ending at 4:45, my kid won't get home until after 5:00pm. How is anyone okay with that?????

Nobody wants that except a handful of crazy loud middle school parents who don't seem to realize that

A) elementary school is 3-4x as many years as middle school

B) high school is twice as long as middle school

C) high school grades matter. Middle school grades don't, not even the ones they take for high school credit (colleges don't care about middle school grades)

D) the late schedule is far too late for High School and far too late for Elementary School

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Middle school is only 2 years.

This. ES kids outnumber any group this affects due to being K-6. ES should absolutely not have 7-8 years of a terrible schedule. People don’t realize that ES builds foundational skills and why grades may not matter, they are setting the skills in place for secondary school. You will have an hour and a half of wasted learning time with Option E. Cause the kids are DONE by 3 and the last hour is whack a mole and making sure we all survive.

Please stop speaking as if you speak for all ES families. The option E schedule would work the best for our family. Does it work for anyone else, that is not for any one poster here to say.

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Anonymous wrote:Or will they just stop doing after-school clubs? I’m curious how important those are to the middle school experience, as my kids are all still in elementary.

After school this week, I saw piles (had to literally step over some, ha) of kids loving finally finding “their people” at D&D club. Drama and music kids rehearsing for the MS musical. Kids painting sets and props for the musical. Community service activities. Tons of kids getting tutoring from their teachers, for free, getting both help and connection. The positive energy was palpable (the musical looks great!). The MS after school program is the heart of middle school.

Yes let’s continue to make kids get up at 5:30 am so they can have this after school program.

Get a grip. E will shift by only 30 minutes and be a win win for all. They can still have their previous after school activities, just half an hour later.

HELLO HAVE YOU HEARD ABOUT LATE START ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS??? I don't want my 6 year old getting home from school at 5:10pm. YES, with school ending at 4:45, my kid won't get home until after 5:00pm. How is anyone okay with that?????

Nobody wants that except a handful of crazy loud middle school parents who don't seem to realize that

A) elementary school is 3-4x as many years as middle school

B) high school is twice as long as middle school

C) high school grades matter. Middle school grades don't, not even the ones they take for high school credit (colleges don't care about middle school grades)

D) the late schedule is far too late for High School and far too late for Elementary School

AND

Middle school is only 2 years.

This. ES kids outnumber any group this affects due to being K-6. ES should absolutely not have 7-8 years of a terrible schedule. People don’t realize that ES builds foundational skills and why grades may not matter, they are setting the skills in place for secondary school. You will have an hour and a half of wasted learning time with Option E. Cause the kids are DONE by 3 and the last hour is whack a mole and making sure we all survive.

Please stop speaking as if you speak for all ES families. The option E schedule would work the best for our family. Does it work for anyone else, that is not for any one poster here to say.

That there are different family views at all levels of school is why if feel really strongly about this, don’t post here and spend that time to write your school board. Someone recommended to be clear that ages of your kids because not really appropriate to weigh in strong on MS time if your kid is about to go to HS, but is fully appropriate if your ES kid about to go into MS in 2 years when changes may be rolled out.