Middle School start times

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This makes me mad. I've been looking forward to my middle schooler getting more sleep next year. I think it is stupid if they don't implement it for another year. By that time my middle schooler will no longer be in middle school and will have had to get up too early for 2 whole years while they have been studying it. They make everything more complicated than it has to be.

Be careful what you wish for


Giving middle schoolers the better schrdule means a crap schedule for all 4 years of high school when school actually counts, and a crappier schedule for the 7 to 8 years of elementary school.

Why on earth Reid even brought this up when the best solution is still the current schedule is beyond anyone's wildest guess.

Middle school is 2 years and the grades don't count.

Leave the schedule as it is.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This makes me mad. I've been looking forward to my middle schooler getting more sleep next year. I think it is stupid if they don't implement it for another year. By that time my middle schooler will no longer be in middle school and will have had to get up too early for 2 whole years while they have been studying it. They make everything more complicated than it has to be.

Be careful what you wish for


Giving middle schoolers the better schrdule means a crap schedule for all 4 years of high school when school actually counts, and a crappier schedule for the 7 to 8 years of elementary school.

Why on earth Reid even brought this up when the best solution is still the current schedule is beyond anyone's wildest guess.

Middle school is 2 years and the grades don't count.

Leave the schedule as it is.

You keep ignoring the fact that many kids take high school level classes in middle school such ans: Algebra 1 HN, Geometry HN, and even Algebra 2 HN. As well as Foreign Language 1 or 2.

You know where the grades actually don’t count? Elementary School. They don’t even get letter grades. They can have the crappy times.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Or will they just stop doing after-school clubs? I’m curious how important those are to the middle school experience, as my kids are all still in elementary.

After school this week, I saw piles (had to literally step over some, ha) of kids loving finally finding “their people” at D&D club. Drama and music kids rehearsing for the MS musical. Kids painting sets and props for the musical. Community service activities. Tons of kids getting tutoring from their teachers, for free, getting both help and connection. The positive energy was palpable (the musical looks great!). The MS after school program is the heart of middle school.

100% THIS

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Or will they just stop doing after-school clubs? I’m curious how important those are to the middle school experience, as my kids are all still in elementary.

After school this week, I saw piles (had to literally step over some, ha) of kids loving finally finding “their people” at D&D club. Drama and music kids rehearsing for the MS musical. Kids painting sets and props for the musical. Community service activities. Tons of kids getting tutoring from their teachers, for free, getting both help and connection. The positive energy was palpable (the musical looks great!). The MS after school program is the heart of middle school.

Yes let’s continue to make kids get up at 5:30 am so they can have this after school program.

Get a grip. E will shift by only 30 minutes and be a win win for all. They can still have their previous after school activities, just half an hour later.

HELLO HAVE YOU HEARD ABOUT LATE START ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS??? I don't want my 6 year old getting home from school at 5:10pm. YES, with school ending at 4:45, my kid won't get home until after 5:00pm. How is anyone okay with that?????

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Opt E is the best compromise. Each group shifts a little. Then we get all kids starting at 8am or after. This helps kids get more sleep.

NOPE. Keep everything as is. Kids can deal for two years.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Opt E is the best compromise. Each group shifts a little. Then we get all kids starting at 8am or after. This helps kids get more sleep.

NOPE. Keep everything as is. Kids can deal for two years.

Agree

[Anonymous]

Option E is better than the current schedule. Now we have middle school students standing at bus stops and walking to school in the dark. If they started at 8am instead of 7am, it would be much safer for the MS kids, plus they would get much needed rest for the development. Even an 8am start is early, but it’s a vast improvement.

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Anonymous wrote:^^^ 3rd paragraph should end with "either way". Yes, MS schedule shifts more under C2 but that's kind of the whole point. It's a minor adjustment for the MS years.

Getting out at 4:25 pm doesn’t make sense for middle schoolers - they have more time consuming homework. And they wouldn’t be able to do any sports or activities. That is why E makes more sense - MS will get 30 extra minutes of sleep and still have their after school activities. Many elementary schools are already homework free so those students can get out later.

My middle schooler rarely has homework. They do all their work in class. Do you even have a middle schooler?

My middle schooler is now in high school (all honors courses) and did AAP in middle school. They definitely had homework. They also made straight As. If your middle schooler doesn’t have any work, chances are they aren’t in very challenging classes or aren’t taking their classes seriously.

Hahahaha, there's always a b___ AAP mommy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Keep the current schedule.

Middle schoolers are fine with the current schedule

LOL, no, they're not at all. C2 it is. E defeats the whole point of this exercise by not shifting MS late enough, and causes everyone else to shift as well. "Ease of communication"? What a horsesh!t justification... "Dear parents, next year Larla's school will be shifting their bell schedule to <X>". Doesn't really matter what X is for communication purposes.

E will be chosen as it’s the least disruptive. Everyone will have to compromise by 30 minutes.

It is the most disruptive! Literally that schedule is only good for middle school. Seriously, anyone thinking ES should be going to school till 4:35 and getting home past 5, is insane, especially for middle schoolers to get 30 extra mins of sleep.

So you really just mean it’s the most disruptive for elem kids. This study is about what’s best for middle schoolers.

Why do you care - it's 2 years vs. 7. Guess which ones are more important?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^^^ 3rd paragraph should end with "either way". Yes, MS schedule shifts more under C2 but that's kind of the whole point. It's a minor adjustment for the MS years.

Getting out at 4:25 pm doesn’t make sense for middle schoolers - they have more time consuming homework. And they wouldn’t be able to do any sports or activities. That is why E makes more sense - MS will get 30 extra minutes of sleep and still have their after school activities. Many elementary schools are already homework free so those students can get out later.

My middle schooler rarely has homework. They do all their work in class. Do you even have a middle schooler?

My middle schooler is now in high school (all honors courses) and did AAP in middle school. They definitely had homework. They also made straight As. If your middle schooler doesn’t have any work, chances are they aren’t in very challenging classes or aren’t taking their classes seriously.

Oh wow, it sounds like your child was probably taking classes that were just too challenging for him. I hope he's doing okay in high school. Good luck getting into JMU. Fingers crossed!!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Option E has my elementary schooler arriving home at 5:00pm (30 minute bus ride). That is ridiculous.

Why would you make your kid ride the bus for 30 min? Just use kiss n ride.

You sound like a complete moron.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^^^ 3rd paragraph should end with "either way". Yes, MS schedule shifts more under C2 but that's kind of the whole point. It's a minor adjustment for the MS years.

Getting out at 4:25 pm doesn’t make sense for middle schoolers - they have more time consuming homework. And they wouldn’t be able to do any sports or activities. That is why E makes more sense - MS will get 30 extra minutes of sleep and still have their after school activities. Many elementary schools are already homework free so those students can get out later.

My middle schooler rarely has homework. They do all their work in class. Do you even have a middle schooler?

My MS kid rarely has homework but he has friends who always have homework. Some kids can’t get the work done in class and have to finish at home. The notices posted on schoology seem to indicate that it is a decent number of kids.

So we are going to ruin school for elementary kids by sending them to school until 4:30 PM, and mess up high school schedules of the kids who have hours of real homework, whose grades actually count for college, and whose sport/musicals/concerts/jobs already finish at 10:00 PM or later, to aapease a small group of middle school parents whose kids screw around in class not doing their (easy) school work, for 2 quick years of inconvenience?

Only this school board could be so short sighted and foolish.

Did I say that? I said that MS kids have homework. That is what I said.

The 7:30 start time for MS kids is ridiculous. The solution, to me, is to have enough busses and bus drivers that we can get kids to school on a schedule that makes sense. We cannot afford that and there are not enough bus drivers so we need a different solution.

MS gets the shaft because it is a 2 year period of time. Based on sleep schedules, I suspect that there are a lot more ES kids who are up by 7 AM, not all but probably a decent majority, and ES could start earlier. But parents would have to provide after care with a 7:30 or 8:00 start time and that will cause an outcry. ES is also the largest moved for busses, because of the number of schools and the shortest walking zone, so it would take a while to get the kids to school. MS and HS start times would be moved to sometime after 9:00, which would mess up after school activities for a lot of kids.

The end solution is probably keep things as they are and have MS kids suck it up for a few years, moving to a slightly better schedule in HS.

The reality is that we can all find individual exemptions to the norm, “My ES kids doesn’t wake up until 8 and it will be a struggle if school starts earlier” type thing. “My MS didn’t have homework so who cares about homework time after school.” You need to realize that there are exceptions to the rule and the one of two kids you know who are like your kids probably are not the norm.

Do you know why there's not enough busses and bus drivers? There is ONE REASON: AAP CENTERS. If AAP CENTERS were eliminated, we'd have enough busses to start middle schools later without shifting anyone else's start times but oh god no, the very SMALL percentage of families who insist on AAP are apparently so important that we have to appease them instead of worrying about EVERY family in the entire school system that has to send a child through middle school. AAP CENTERS NEED TO GO. THAT IS THE ONLY SOLUTION.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Keep the current schedule.

Middle schoolers are fine with the current schedule

LOL, no, they're not at all. C2 it is. E defeats the whole point of this exercise by not shifting MS late enough, and causes everyone else to shift as well. "Ease of communication"? What a horsesh!t justification... "Dear parents, next year Larla's school will be shifting their bell schedule to <X>". Doesn't really matter what X is for communication purposes.

E will be chosen as it’s the least disruptive. Everyone will have to compromise by 30 minutes.

It is the most disruptive! Literally that schedule is only good for middle school. Seriously, anyone thinking ES should be going to school till 4:35 and getting home past 5, is insane, especially for middle schoolers to get 30 extra mins of sleep.

So you really just mean it’s the most disruptive for elem kids. This study is about what’s best for middle schoolers.

Why do you care - it's 2 years vs. 7. Guess which ones are more important?

Middle school is way more important as they are preparing for high school and actually learning real content from experts in a particular subject. Elem school is a total joke.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Option E is better than the current schedule. Now we have middle school students standing at bus stops and walking to school in the dark. If they started at 8am instead of 7am, it would be much safer for the MS kids, plus they would get much needed rest for the development. Even an 8am start is early, but it’s a vast improvement.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:They won’t shift the times now that most parents are back in the office. Now parents are forced to find before school care and after school.

So just like it was for all the years before COVID. That is what it always was.

We didn't have elementary schools starting at 9:50am before Covid. That is what your beloved option E is offering us. It's absurd. Do you know how long the wait list is for before care?