As an Atheist, what do you tell your little kids?

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Anonymous wrote:Not an atheist -- I'm Jewish -- but FWIW, I don't generally feel like anyone is out there watching over me, nor have I taught my children that.

Same, Catholic (with agnostic spouse). Words like "God is watching" are used in a literary or poetic sense, but it isn't meant literally, like an actual body up in the clouds with a telescope or crystal ball. That's an immature understanding of what God is, and while it is an easy way for little kids to think about it, we are expected to mature in our understanding, even if we never fully understand -- some would argue we are incapable of doing so. Those unable to grasp higher concepts of philosophy or theology, which is a lot of people, maybe most, need the literary and poetic as a guide to understanding, which may never really come. That's ok. Having guideposts that can be understood is meaningful for one's personal search for how to live and how to comprehend the divine.

I remember in my Catholic college Freshman theology class, a theology professor, after the first papers, gave a lecture "for those who never learned a thing or paid attention to theology past Confirmation." It was amusing. In second grade, we learned about the attributes of God (self-existing; love itself; omnipresent; separate and distinct from the created universe, etc.), and generally that is when your mind should be awakening to the difference between God in art and literature (manifested in form and words), and God in philosophy and theology (attempting to comprehend the reality of existence and the divine, pushing the limits of the known, unknown, and contemplating the possibility of unknowable and divine). Humans will always be limited by linguistics in trying to discuss that which is beyond our own experience.

It sounds like religion is the only thing in life that you don't need to/probably can't understand. And you MUST be a part of it or you are going to hell - at least that's what religious people say.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it extremely creepy that some people posting here think they have any say into how other people raise their children.

If you think you have authority over other people’s kids, tell me how you exert or exercise that authority in real life. Also, what would you do differently if someone told you they had a say in how you raised your children?

DP, but you can still judge even if you know you don’t have authority. I judge all sorts of crappy parenting which is usually anything at the extremes (e.g. severe sugar restriction vs allowing your kids to eat whatever they want, being a totally no screens house vs. no screen rules whatsoever).

Going to church on Sunday, teaching your kids about Jesus, etc.? Fine. I’m not religious at all but we’ve taken our kids to services on holidays like Christmas Eve and has them baptized b/c I know it in important to DH’s family. But when my kids question things about religion that don’t make sense, I’m not gaslighting them to force them to believe.

I do judge parents who don’t allow their children to question beliefs and think for themselves or who do things like denying lifesaving medical treatment (it’s one thing to decide that for yourself, but letting you child be harmed or die unnecessarily is abuse).

Do you judge people who call religion “crazy” and say religion is harmful to the world?

People who believe those things are definitely not allowing their children to question atheism and not allowing their children to think for themselves.

I see religious people denying their children medical care sometimes in news stories, but I also see similar news stories about vegan parents. They don’t provide their children adequate nutrition because they are so dedicated to veganism. I also see news stories more prominently of parents who are addicted to drugs, who starve and neglect their children while doing drugs.

Using the death of children to make a point? You want to start listing dead kids whose parents were drug addicts and neglected them to death? Because those kids would outnumber the children of religious people who denied their kids medical treatment, by a very large margin.

Part of atheism IS letting children think for themselves. It's not filling their minds with something for which there is no evidence other than a Bronze Age book, which then controls them for the rest of their lives. It is precisely the opposite of NOT thinking for yourself.

Not if you are teaching your children that religious beliefs are crazy, and that religion is harmful to the world.

You are indoctrinating your children into atheism and not allowing them to make up their own minds about religion.

Facts are facts.

Please link to citations from reputable sources that have peer reviewed evidence that your claims that religion beliefs are crazy and religion is harmful to the world.

I would think that such well known facts would have several sources and many many citations. You will be able to link many reputable sources to prove your facts.

LOL. Hilarious that someone who believes in supernatural forces is asking for “reputable sources” or “peer reviewed evidence”.

From most philosophical perspectives, religions do not require empirical scientific evidence to believe, as faith is often considered the foundation of religious belief, meaning people accept truths based on trust and personal experience rather than solely on tangible proof; however, some argue that there can still be forms of evidence within religious experiences that support belief, even if not scientifically verifiable.

Pp is unequivocally stating that two statements: religion is crazy and religion hurts the world, as factual.

Facts need evidence from reputable sources.

How about opposing armies both praying for victory before battle? Need evidence from a reputable source? I'm sure you can look it up and find plenty of evidence from plenty of battles.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it extremely creepy that some people posting here think they have any say into how other people raise their children.

If you think you have authority over other people’s kids, tell me how you exert or exercise that authority in real life. Also, what would you do differently if someone told you they had a say in how you raised your children?

When you think something is child abuse and brainwashing, unhealthy for both the individual and society, you don't think you have a right to express that thought?

Sorry but your bronze age bullsh*t hurts the world, and some of us are done sitting by passively while cults perpetuate pain and suffering. And no that is not hyperbole.

You are in the wrong country, if you think you or anyone else is going to classify a family being religious and practicing religious freedom as cults that perpetuate pain and suffering. America was founded on freedom, and religious freedom is among those freedoms. You have no moral or legal right to stop people from practicing their religion in the United States. You are severely flawed in your premise that “some of you” are “done sitting by” and going to take away every American’s right to practice their religion.

The First Amendment of the United States Constitution protects the freedom of religion in the United States:

Establishment Clause
Prohibits the government from establishing a religion. The Lemon test, set forth in Lemon v. Kurtzman (1971), governs what constitutes an establishment of religion.

Free Exercise Clause
Protects the right of citizens to practice their religion as they choose, as long as it doesn't violate public morals or a compelling government interest.

Some other examples of religious freedom in the United States include:
The right to collect unemployment benefits if you lose your job because your employer forces you to work on a religious holiday
The right to operate a church without government interference, even if only a few people share your beliefs
The right to use public property to promote your religious beliefs
Title VII of the Civil Rights Act protects employees from religious discrimination in the workplace
The United States' commitment to religious freedom has been strong, as shown by the 2023 Religious Freedom Index score of 69, the highest ever.

If you don’t like religion, don’t be religious. Simple. Leave others alone. You aren’t in charge of their minds or their decisions. Focus on your own life.

DP but the first amendment you cite is also freedom from religion.

I think it’s funny you’re saying we should leave religious people alone when it’s religious people shoving their beliefs into our political system, using at a reason to ban books at schools, etc.

You.leave.us.alone. Practice your religion on your own time. Teach your kids your beliefs. But stop insisting society function in line with those beliefs.

You should read gotquestions.org to educate yourself about Christianity, you and every atheist who spouts their opinions that are incorrect about Christianity. That way you will have the basic information and understanding about the religion you don’t believe in. And the God you don’t believe in. It’s ok to not believe, but at least you will understand correctly about what you don’t believe in.

It's pretty sad to see you getting your religious information from some random website. Don't you attend church, or read the bible yourself?

Also, don't christians hate when atheists derail their threads? But here you are doing it on an atheist thread? Also likely violating TOS of the site by copy and pasting whole pages of garbage info from that website?

I think that everyone is allowed to think whatever they want, but atheists who think Christianity is crazy and harmful should not post their opinions about Christianity as fact.

I don’t represent any atheist thought as fact about atheism or how atheists think. Atheists should refrain from speaking for Christianity or Christians, especially if they don’t know the basic principles of Christianity.

Ie, “God sends Christians to heaven if they are good.” (Which is what an atheist posted in this thread.)

Christianity does not teach that. Atheists might have been taught that, or might believe that because they heard another atheist say it. But what most Christians believe about that is here:

Going to heaven—how can I guarantee my eternal destination?
https://www.gotquestions.org/going-to-heaven.html

The part that is the most important: Faith in Jesus is the one means of going to heaven. Those who have faith are guaranteed to get there.

Ok? That’s it. The link has a more detailed explanation.

Atheists: please stop misrepresenting Christianity because you don’t believe it. It’s completely fine for you to be atheist. Really. You can have an opinion about every single religion you don’t believe in. But not knowing the facts about what religions believe is the part that you should correct. That’s it.

Fine, it’s my opinion that religion causes a lot of harms in the world. My opinion is based on the fact that many wars, including modern day conflicts, stem from religious beliefs and that many people throughout history have used religion to marginalize women.

But I also think religious people should admit religion is really just an opinion (or belief). It’s not the known truth so stop expecting others to act as if your beliefs are somehow relevant to our lives. I really don’t care if you believe the earth was made by a giant bunny so long as I don’t have to be affected by that belief in any sort of government/public school setting.

*This* type of thing is why so many of us are frustrated with religion being shoved down our throats.

https://apnews.com/article/texas-bible-religion-schools-52b74577982b34ce2607b693bd51cae7

https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2024/07/16/critics-decry-religion-classrooms-some-fear-how-far-florida-will-go/

https://www.acslaw.org/expertforum/the-demise-of-roe-v-wade-undermines-freedom-of-religion/

The fundamental problem with many religions is that a basic tenet is spreading the word and getting other people to believe. That is the part I cannot get behind. Leave people alone. Leave the schools alone. Follow your own beliefs but don’t bring them into politics.

The host of the last 100 years indicates there is just as much war and genocide caused by atheistic ideologies.

Please educate yourself-many religions are non-proselytizing.

- an atheist

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Anonymous wrote:I find it extremely creepy that some people posting here think they have any say into how other people raise their children.

If you think you have authority over other people’s kids, tell me how you exert or exercise that authority in real life. Also, what would you do differently if someone told you they had a say in how you raised your children?

When you think something is child abuse and brainwashing, unhealthy for both the individual and society, you don't think you have a right to express that thought?

Sorry but your bronze age bullsh*t hurts the world, and some of us are done sitting by passively while cults perpetuate pain and suffering. And no that is not hyperbole.

You are in the wrong country, if you think you or anyone else is going to classify a family being religious and practicing religious freedom as cults that perpetuate pain and suffering. America was founded on freedom, and religious freedom is among those freedoms. You have no moral or legal right to stop people from practicing their religion in the United States. You are severely flawed in your premise that “some of you” are “done sitting by” and going to take away every American’s right to practice their religion.

The First Amendment of the United States Constitution protects the freedom of religion in the United States:

Establishment Clause
Prohibits the government from establishing a religion. The Lemon test, set forth in Lemon v. Kurtzman (1971), governs what constitutes an establishment of religion.

Free Exercise Clause
Protects the right of citizens to practice their religion as they choose, as long as it doesn't violate public morals or a compelling government interest.

Some other examples of religious freedom in the United States include:
The right to collect unemployment benefits if you lose your job because your employer forces you to work on a religious holiday
The right to operate a church without government interference, even if only a few people share your beliefs
The right to use public property to promote your religious beliefs
Title VII of the Civil Rights Act protects employees from religious discrimination in the workplace
The United States' commitment to religious freedom has been strong, as shown by the 2023 Religious Freedom Index score of 69, the highest ever.

If you don’t like religion, don’t be religious. Simple. Leave others alone. You aren’t in charge of their minds or their decisions. Focus on your own life.

DP but the first amendment you cite is also freedom from religion.

I think it’s funny you’re saying we should leave religious people alone when it’s religious people shoving their beliefs into our political system, using at a reason to ban books at schools, etc.

You.leave.us.alone. Practice your religion on your own time. Teach your kids your beliefs. But stop insisting society function in line with those beliefs.

You should read gotquestions.org to educate yourself about Christianity, you and every atheist who spouts their opinions that are incorrect about Christianity. That way you will have the basic information and understanding about the religion you don’t believe in. And the God you don’t believe in. It’s ok to not believe, but at least you will understand correctly about what you don’t believe in.

It's pretty sad to see you getting your religious information from some random website. Don't you attend church, or read the bible yourself?

Also, don't christians hate when atheists derail their threads? But here you are doing it on an atheist thread? Also likely violating TOS of the site by copy and pasting whole pages of garbage info from that website?

I think that everyone is allowed to think whatever they want, but atheists who think Christianity is crazy and harmful should not post their opinions about Christianity as fact.

I don’t represent any atheist thought as fact about atheism or how atheists think. Atheists should refrain from speaking for Christianity or Christians, especially if they don’t know the basic principles of Christianity.

Ie, “God sends Christians to heaven if they are good.” (Which is what an atheist posted in this thread.)

Christianity does not teach that. Atheists might have been taught that, or might believe that because they heard another atheist say it. But what most Christians believe about that is here:

Going to heaven—how can I guarantee my eternal destination?
https://www.gotquestions.org/going-to-heaven.html

The part that is the most important: Faith in Jesus is the one means of going to heaven. Those who have faith are guaranteed to get there.

Ok? That’s it. The link has a more detailed explanation.

Atheists: please stop misrepresenting Christianity because you don’t believe it. It’s completely fine for you to be atheist. Really. You can have an opinion about every single religion you don’t believe in. But not knowing the facts about what religions believe is the part that you should correct. That’s it.

Fine, it’s my opinion that religion causes a lot of harms in the world. My opinion is based on the fact that many wars, including modern day conflicts, stem from religious beliefs and that many people throughout history have used religion to marginalize women.

But I also think religious people should admit religion is really just an opinion (or belief). It’s not the known truth so stop expecting others to act as if your beliefs are somehow relevant to our lives. I really don’t care if you believe the earth was made by a giant bunny so long as I don’t have to be affected by that belief in any sort of government/public school setting.

*This* type of thing is why so many of us are frustrated with religion being shoved down our throats.

https://apnews.com/article/texas-bible-religion-schools-52b74577982b34ce2607b693bd51cae7

https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2024/07/16/critics-decry-religion-classrooms-some-fear-how-far-florida-will-go/

https://www.acslaw.org/expertforum/the-demise-of-roe-v-wade-undermines-freedom-of-religion/

The fundamental problem with many religions is that a basic tenet is spreading the word and getting other people to believe. That is the part I cannot get behind. Leave people alone. Leave the schools alone. Follow your own beliefs but don’t bring them into politics.

The host of the last 100 years indicates there is just as much war and genocide caused by atheistic ideologies.

Please educate yourself-many religions are non-proselytizing.

- an atheist

But an ideology that happens to be atheist isn't equivalent to a religion. No one is hurting others in the name of atheism.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it extremely creepy that some people posting here think they have any say into how other people raise their children.

If you think you have authority over other people’s kids, tell me how you exert or exercise that authority in real life. Also, what would you do differently if someone told you they had a say in how you raised your children?

When you think something is child abuse and brainwashing, unhealthy for both the individual and society, you don't think you have a right to express that thought?

Sorry but your bronze age bullsh*t hurts the world, and some of us are done sitting by passively while cults perpetuate pain and suffering. And no that is not hyperbole.

You are in the wrong country, if you think you or anyone else is going to classify a family being religious and practicing religious freedom as cults that perpetuate pain and suffering. America was founded on freedom, and religious freedom is among those freedoms. You have no moral or legal right to stop people from practicing their religion in the United States. You are severely flawed in your premise that “some of you” are “done sitting by” and going to take away every American’s right to practice their religion.

The First Amendment of the United States Constitution protects the freedom of religion in the United States:

Establishment Clause
Prohibits the government from establishing a religion. The Lemon test, set forth in Lemon v. Kurtzman (1971), governs what constitutes an establishment of religion.

Free Exercise Clause
Protects the right of citizens to practice their religion as they choose, as long as it doesn't violate public morals or a compelling government interest.

Some other examples of religious freedom in the United States include:
The right to collect unemployment benefits if you lose your job because your employer forces you to work on a religious holiday
The right to operate a church without government interference, even if only a few people share your beliefs
The right to use public property to promote your religious beliefs
Title VII of the Civil Rights Act protects employees from religious discrimination in the workplace
The United States' commitment to religious freedom has been strong, as shown by the 2023 Religious Freedom Index score of 69, the highest ever.

If you don’t like religion, don’t be religious. Simple. Leave others alone. You aren’t in charge of their minds or their decisions. Focus on your own life.

DP but the first amendment you cite is also freedom from religion.

I think it’s funny you’re saying we should leave religious people alone when it’s religious people shoving their beliefs into our political system, using at a reason to ban books at schools, etc.

You.leave.us.alone. Practice your religion on your own time. Teach your kids your beliefs. But stop insisting society function in line with those beliefs.

You should read gotquestions.org to educate yourself about Christianity, you and every atheist who spouts their opinions that are incorrect about Christianity. That way you will have the basic information and understanding about the religion you don’t believe in. And the God you don’t believe in. It’s ok to not believe, but at least you will understand correctly about what you don’t believe in.

It's pretty sad to see you getting your religious information from some random website. Don't you attend church, or read the bible yourself?

Also, don't christians hate when atheists derail their threads? But here you are doing it on an atheist thread? Also likely violating TOS of the site by copy and pasting whole pages of garbage info from that website?

I think that everyone is allowed to think whatever they want, but atheists who think Christianity is crazy and harmful should not post their opinions about Christianity as fact.

I don’t represent any atheist thought as fact about atheism or how atheists think. Atheists should refrain from speaking for Christianity or Christians, especially if they don’t know the basic principles of Christianity.

Ie, “God sends Christians to heaven if they are good.” (Which is what an atheist posted in this thread.)

Christianity does not teach that. Atheists might have been taught that, or might believe that because they heard another atheist say it. But what most Christians believe about that is here:

Going to heaven—how can I guarantee my eternal destination?
https://www.gotquestions.org/going-to-heaven.html

The part that is the most important: Faith in Jesus is the one means of going to heaven. Those who have faith are guaranteed to get there.

Ok? That’s it. The link has a more detailed explanation.

Atheists: please stop misrepresenting Christianity because you don’t believe it. It’s completely fine for you to be atheist. Really. You can have an opinion about every single religion you don’t believe in. But not knowing the facts about what religions believe is the part that you should correct. That’s it.

Fine, it’s my opinion that religion causes a lot of harms in the world. My opinion is based on the fact that many wars, including modern day conflicts, stem from religious beliefs and that many people throughout history have used religion to marginalize women.

But I also think religious people should admit religion is really just an opinion (or belief). It’s not the known truth so stop expecting others to act as if your beliefs are somehow relevant to our lives. I really don’t care if you believe the earth was made by a giant bunny so long as I don’t have to be affected by that belief in any sort of government/public school setting.

*This* type of thing is why so many of us are frustrated with religion being shoved down our throats.

https://apnews.com/article/texas-bible-religion-schools-52b74577982b34ce2607b693bd51cae7

https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2024/07/16/critics-decry-religion-classrooms-some-fear-how-far-florida-will-go/

https://www.acslaw.org/expertforum/the-demise-of-roe-v-wade-undermines-freedom-of-religion/

The fundamental problem with many religions is that a basic tenet is spreading the word and getting other people to believe. That is the part I cannot get behind. Leave people alone. Leave the schools alone. Follow your own beliefs but don’t bring them into politics.

The host of the last 100 years indicates there is just as much war and genocide caused by atheistic ideologies.

Please educate yourself-many religions are non-proselytizing.

- an atheist

But an ideology that happens to be atheist isn't equivalent to a religion. No one is hurting others in the name of atheism.

Communism enforced state atheism is very successful at killing religious people and institutions in countries that have state atheism.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it extremely creepy that some people posting here think they have any say into how other people raise their children.

If you think you have authority over other people’s kids, tell me how you exert or exercise that authority in real life. Also, what would you do differently if someone told you they had a say in how you raised your children?

When you think something is child abuse and brainwashing, unhealthy for both the individual and society, you don't think you have a right to express that thought?

Sorry but your bronze age bullsh*t hurts the world, and some of us are done sitting by passively while cults perpetuate pain and suffering. And no that is not hyperbole.

You are in the wrong country, if you think you or anyone else is going to classify a family being religious and practicing religious freedom as cults that perpetuate pain and suffering. America was founded on freedom, and religious freedom is among those freedoms. You have no moral or legal right to stop people from practicing their religion in the United States. You are severely flawed in your premise that “some of you” are “done sitting by” and going to take away every American’s right to practice their religion.

The First Amendment of the United States Constitution protects the freedom of religion in the United States:

Establishment Clause
Prohibits the government from establishing a religion. The Lemon test, set forth in Lemon v. Kurtzman (1971), governs what constitutes an establishment of religion.

Free Exercise Clause
Protects the right of citizens to practice their religion as they choose, as long as it doesn't violate public morals or a compelling government interest.

Some other examples of religious freedom in the United States include:
The right to collect unemployment benefits if you lose your job because your employer forces you to work on a religious holiday
The right to operate a church without government interference, even if only a few people share your beliefs
The right to use public property to promote your religious beliefs
Title VII of the Civil Rights Act protects employees from religious discrimination in the workplace
The United States' commitment to religious freedom has been strong, as shown by the 2023 Religious Freedom Index score of 69, the highest ever.

If you don’t like religion, don’t be religious. Simple. Leave others alone. You aren’t in charge of their minds or their decisions. Focus on your own life.

DP but the first amendment you cite is also freedom from religion.

I think it’s funny you’re saying we should leave religious people alone when it’s religious people shoving their beliefs into our political system, using at a reason to ban books at schools, etc.

You.leave.us.alone. Practice your religion on your own time. Teach your kids your beliefs. But stop insisting society function in line with those beliefs.

You should read gotquestions.org to educate yourself about Christianity, you and every atheist who spouts their opinions that are incorrect about Christianity. That way you will have the basic information and understanding about the religion you don’t believe in. And the God you don’t believe in. It’s ok to not believe, but at least you will understand correctly about what you don’t believe in.

It's pretty sad to see you getting your religious information from some random website. Don't you attend church, or read the bible yourself?

Also, don't christians hate when atheists derail their threads? But here you are doing it on an atheist thread? Also likely violating TOS of the site by copy and pasting whole pages of garbage info from that website?

I think that everyone is allowed to think whatever they want, but atheists who think Christianity is crazy and harmful should not post their opinions about Christianity as fact.

I don’t represent any atheist thought as fact about atheism or how atheists think. Atheists should refrain from speaking for Christianity or Christians, especially if they don’t know the basic principles of Christianity.

Ie, “God sends Christians to heaven if they are good.” (Which is what an atheist posted in this thread.)

Christianity does not teach that. Atheists might have been taught that, or might believe that because they heard another atheist say it. But what most Christians believe about that is here:

Going to heaven—how can I guarantee my eternal destination?
https://www.gotquestions.org/going-to-heaven.html

The part that is the most important: Faith in Jesus is the one means of going to heaven. Those who have faith are guaranteed to get there.

Ok? That’s it. The link has a more detailed explanation.

Atheists: please stop misrepresenting Christianity because you don’t believe it. It’s completely fine for you to be atheist. Really. You can have an opinion about every single religion you don’t believe in. But not knowing the facts about what religions believe is the part that you should correct. That’s it.

Fine, it’s my opinion that religion causes a lot of harms in the world. My opinion is based on the fact that many wars, including modern day conflicts, stem from religious beliefs and that many people throughout history have used religion to marginalize women.

But I also think religious people should admit religion is really just an opinion (or belief). It’s not the known truth so stop expecting others to act as if your beliefs are somehow relevant to our lives. I really don’t care if you believe the earth was made by a giant bunny so long as I don’t have to be affected by that belief in any sort of government/public school setting.

*This* type of thing is why so many of us are frustrated with religion being shoved down our throats.

https://apnews.com/article/texas-bible-religion-schools-52b74577982b34ce2607b693bd51cae7

https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2024/07/16/critics-decry-religion-classrooms-some-fear-how-far-florida-will-go/

https://www.acslaw.org/expertforum/the-demise-of-roe-v-wade-undermines-freedom-of-religion/

The fundamental problem with many religions is that a basic tenet is spreading the word and getting other people to believe. That is the part I cannot get behind. Leave people alone. Leave the schools alone. Follow your own beliefs but don’t bring them into politics.

The host of the last 100 years indicates there is just as much war and genocide caused by atheistic ideologies.

Please educate yourself-many religions are non-proselytizing.

- an atheist

But an ideology that happens to be atheist isn't equivalent to a religion. No one is hurting others in the name of atheism.

Communism enforced state atheism is very successful at killing religious people and institutions in countries that have state atheism.

Oh, please. You know that's a totally false equivalence. You only spew that transparent BS because your own position is indefensible. "Whatabout"ism! Sad.

Gott Mitt Uns, MF'er.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it extremely creepy that some people posting here think they have any say into how other people raise their children.

If you think you have authority over other people’s kids, tell me how you exert or exercise that authority in real life. Also, what would you do differently if someone told you they had a say in how you raised your children?

When you think something is child abuse and brainwashing, unhealthy for both the individual and society, you don't think you have a right to express that thought?

Sorry but your bronze age bullsh*t hurts the world, and some of us are done sitting by passively while cults perpetuate pain and suffering. And no that is not hyperbole.

You are in the wrong country, if you think you or anyone else is going to classify a family being religious and practicing religious freedom as cults that perpetuate pain and suffering. America was founded on freedom, and religious freedom is among those freedoms. You have no moral or legal right to stop people from practicing their religion in the United States. You are severely flawed in your premise that “some of you” are “done sitting by” and going to take away every American’s right to practice their religion.

The First Amendment of the United States Constitution protects the freedom of religion in the United States:

Establishment Clause
Prohibits the government from establishing a religion. The Lemon test, set forth in Lemon v. Kurtzman (1971), governs what constitutes an establishment of religion.

Free Exercise Clause
Protects the right of citizens to practice their religion as they choose, as long as it doesn't violate public morals or a compelling government interest.

Some other examples of religious freedom in the United States include:
The right to collect unemployment benefits if you lose your job because your employer forces you to work on a religious holiday
The right to operate a church without government interference, even if only a few people share your beliefs
The right to use public property to promote your religious beliefs
Title VII of the Civil Rights Act protects employees from religious discrimination in the workplace
The United States' commitment to religious freedom has been strong, as shown by the 2023 Religious Freedom Index score of 69, the highest ever.

If you don’t like religion, don’t be religious. Simple. Leave others alone. You aren’t in charge of their minds or their decisions. Focus on your own life.

DP but the first amendment you cite is also freedom from religion.

I think it’s funny you’re saying we should leave religious people alone when it’s religious people shoving their beliefs into our political system, using at a reason to ban books at schools, etc.

You.leave.us.alone. Practice your religion on your own time. Teach your kids your beliefs. But stop insisting society function in line with those beliefs.

You should read gotquestions.org to educate yourself about Christianity, you and every atheist who spouts their opinions that are incorrect about Christianity. That way you will have the basic information and understanding about the religion you don’t believe in. And the God you don’t believe in. It’s ok to not believe, but at least you will understand correctly about what you don’t believe in.

It's pretty sad to see you getting your religious information from some random website. Don't you attend church, or read the bible yourself?

Also, don't christians hate when atheists derail their threads? But here you are doing it on an atheist thread? Also likely violating TOS of the site by copy and pasting whole pages of garbage info from that website?

It’s a known troll. They just copy & paste pages and pages of off-topic and inaccurate content from various websites.

Just report the posts.

The single website that I link to as a citation is gotquestions.org. I only link because I think people deserve some cited source for information that is reputable.

You are trying to derail the thread with your off-topic posts with copied-and-pasted content from quack websites. GTFO.

Atheists want to tell their children the truth, including the truth about Christianity.

The truth about who goes to heaven is not that “God sends good people to heaven.”

Even if you don’t believe Christianity, don’t teach your children falsehoods about it.

Incorrect. There is no truth about christianity, and atheists don't care anough about your religion to teach it to our children.

DP: I think PP's point, and it is a valid one IMHO, is that if you are telling your children anything at all about religion, good/bad/indifferent, you should try to be correct in what you tell them. But if you don't actually know anything about it (as "Bronze aged bull," suggests), you should refrain. I would not presume to try to teach my kids about any number of topics, as I'd certainly get a lot wrong, though I might try to answer their questions starting with "I don't know much about that, but let's see what we might learn together."

The whole premise is incorrect though. That pp never said they teach their children that christianity is X, Y or Z. They just aren't teaching their children religion, and especially not pp's specific religion who no one even knows what it is. As you say, there are many topics I wouldn't try to teach my children. That doesn't mean it's somehow incorrect to NOT teach them about magic fairy tales that other people believe.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it extremely creepy that some people posting here think they have any say into how other people raise their children.

If you think you have authority over other people’s kids, tell me how you exert or exercise that authority in real life. Also, what would you do differently if someone told you they had a say in how you raised your children?

When you think something is child abuse and brainwashing, unhealthy for both the individual and society, you don't think you have a right to express that thought?

Sorry but your bronze age bullsh*t hurts the world, and some of us are done sitting by passively while cults perpetuate pain and suffering. And no that is not hyperbole.

You are in the wrong country, if you think you or anyone else is going to classify a family being religious and practicing religious freedom as cults that perpetuate pain and suffering. America was founded on freedom, and religious freedom is among those freedoms. You have no moral or legal right to stop people from practicing their religion in the United States. You are severely flawed in your premise that “some of you” are “done sitting by” and going to take away every American’s right to practice their religion.

The First Amendment of the United States Constitution protects the freedom of religion in the United States:

Establishment Clause
Prohibits the government from establishing a religion. The Lemon test, set forth in Lemon v. Kurtzman (1971), governs what constitutes an establishment of religion.

Free Exercise Clause
Protects the right of citizens to practice their religion as they choose, as long as it doesn't violate public morals or a compelling government interest.

Some other examples of religious freedom in the United States include:
The right to collect unemployment benefits if you lose your job because your employer forces you to work on a religious holiday
The right to operate a church without government interference, even if only a few people share your beliefs
The right to use public property to promote your religious beliefs
Title VII of the Civil Rights Act protects employees from religious discrimination in the workplace
The United States' commitment to religious freedom has been strong, as shown by the 2023 Religious Freedom Index score of 69, the highest ever.

If you don’t like religion, don’t be religious. Simple. Leave others alone. You aren’t in charge of their minds or their decisions. Focus on your own life.

DP but the first amendment you cite is also freedom from religion.

I think it’s funny you’re saying we should leave religious people alone when it’s religious people shoving their beliefs into our political system, using at a reason to ban books at schools, etc.

You.leave.us.alone. Practice your religion on your own time. Teach your kids your beliefs. But stop insisting society function in line with those beliefs.

You should read gotquestions.org to educate yourself about Christianity, you and every atheist who spouts their opinions that are incorrect about Christianity. That way you will have the basic information and understanding about the religion you don’t believe in. And the God you don’t believe in. It’s ok to not believe, but at least you will understand correctly about what you don’t believe in.

It's pretty sad to see you getting your religious information from some random website. Don't you attend church, or read the bible yourself?

Also, don't christians hate when atheists derail their threads? But here you are doing it on an atheist thread? Also likely violating TOS of the site by copy and pasting whole pages of garbage info from that website?

I think that everyone is allowed to think whatever they want, but atheists who think Christianity is crazy and harmful should not post their opinions about Christianity as fact.

I don’t represent any atheist thought as fact about atheism or how atheists think. Atheists should refrain from speaking for Christianity or Christians, especially if they don’t know the basic principles of Christianity.

Ie, “God sends Christians to heaven if they are good.” (Which is what an atheist posted in this thread.)

Christianity does not teach that. Atheists might have been taught that, or might believe that because they heard another atheist say it. But what most Christians believe about that is here:

Going to heaven—how can I guarantee my eternal destination?
https://www.gotquestions.org/going-to-heaven.html

The part that is the most important: Faith in Jesus is the one means of going to heaven. Those who have faith are guaranteed to get there.

Ok? That’s it. The link has a more detailed explanation.

Atheists: please stop misrepresenting Christianity because you don’t believe it. It’s completely fine for you to be atheist. Really. You can have an opinion about every single religion you don’t believe in. But not knowing the facts about what religions believe is the part that you should correct. That’s it.

Fine, it’s my opinion that religion causes a lot of harms in the world. My opinion is based on the fact that many wars, including modern day conflicts, stem from religious beliefs and that many people throughout history have used religion to marginalize women.

But I also think religious people should admit religion is really just an opinion (or belief). It’s not the known truth so stop expecting others to act as if your beliefs are somehow relevant to our lives. I really don’t care if you believe the earth was made by a giant bunny so long as I don’t have to be affected by that belief in any sort of government/public school setting.

*This* type of thing is why so many of us are frustrated with religion being shoved down our throats.

https://apnews.com/article/texas-bible-religion-schools-52b74577982b34ce2607b693bd51cae7

https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2024/07/16/critics-decry-religion-classrooms-some-fear-how-far-florida-will-go/

https://www.acslaw.org/expertforum/the-demise-of-roe-v-wade-undermines-freedom-of-religion/

The fundamental problem with many religions is that a basic tenet is spreading the word and getting other people to believe. That is the part I cannot get behind. Leave people alone. Leave the schools alone. Follow your own beliefs but don’t bring them into politics.

The host of the last 100 years indicates there is just as much war and genocide caused by atheistic ideologies.

Please educate yourself-many religions are non-proselytizing.

- an atheist

But an ideology that happens to be atheist isn't equivalent to a religion. No one is hurting others in the name of atheism.

Communism enforced state atheism is very successful at killing religious people and institutions in countries that have state atheism.

That is in the name of communism.

[Anonymous]

I think your approach is confusing OP. God is not like Santa. As atheists we didn't really discuss religion/God with our daughter when she was little, but as she was becoming more aware of religion from outside the house we discussed that some people believed in God etc. We have also made it clear even though we are Atheists she may feel differently to us and that is great. Whatever feels right to her. When we first discussed death we kept it simple and didn't talk about religion.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it extremely creepy that some people posting here think they have any say into how other people raise their children.

If you think you have authority over other people’s kids, tell me how you exert or exercise that authority in real life. Also, what would you do differently if someone told you they had a say in how you raised your children?

When you think something is child abuse and brainwashing, unhealthy for both the individual and society, you don't think you have a right to express that thought?

Sorry but your bronze age bullsh*t hurts the world, and some of us are done sitting by passively while cults perpetuate pain and suffering. And no that is not hyperbole.

You are in the wrong country, if you think you or anyone else is going to classify a family being religious and practicing religious freedom as cults that perpetuate pain and suffering. America was founded on freedom, and religious freedom is among those freedoms. You have no moral or legal right to stop people from practicing their religion in the United States. You are severely flawed in your premise that “some of you” are “done sitting by” and going to take away every American’s right to practice their religion.

The First Amendment of the United States Constitution protects the freedom of religion in the United States:

Establishment Clause
Prohibits the government from establishing a religion. The Lemon test, set forth in Lemon v. Kurtzman (1971), governs what constitutes an establishment of religion.

Free Exercise Clause
Protects the right of citizens to practice their religion as they choose, as long as it doesn't violate public morals or a compelling government interest.

Some other examples of religious freedom in the United States include:
The right to collect unemployment benefits if you lose your job because your employer forces you to work on a religious holiday
The right to operate a church without government interference, even if only a few people share your beliefs
The right to use public property to promote your religious beliefs
Title VII of the Civil Rights Act protects employees from religious discrimination in the workplace
The United States' commitment to religious freedom has been strong, as shown by the 2023 Religious Freedom Index score of 69, the highest ever.

If you don’t like religion, don’t be religious. Simple. Leave others alone. You aren’t in charge of their minds or their decisions. Focus on your own life.

DP but the first amendment you cite is also freedom from religion.

I think it’s funny you’re saying we should leave religious people alone when it’s religious people shoving their beliefs into our political system, using at a reason to ban books at schools, etc.

You.leave.us.alone. Practice your religion on your own time. Teach your kids your beliefs. But stop insisting society function in line with those beliefs.

You should read gotquestions.org to educate yourself about Christianity, you and every atheist who spouts their opinions that are incorrect about Christianity. That way you will have the basic information and understanding about the religion you don’t believe in. And the God you don’t believe in. It’s ok to not believe, but at least you will understand correctly about what you don’t believe in.

It's pretty sad to see you getting your religious information from some random website. Don't you attend church, or read the bible yourself?

Also, don't christians hate when atheists derail their threads? But here you are doing it on an atheist thread? Also likely violating TOS of the site by copy and pasting whole pages of garbage info from that website?

It’s a known troll. They just copy & paste pages and pages of off-topic and inaccurate content from various websites.

Just report the posts.

I am a Christian who believes that atheists are welcome to their opinions, and are guaranteed freedom from religion and freedom of speech.

However, when an atheist posts something that is not true about Christianity, I do believe that I can give information that informs them and any readers about what Christianity really believes.

Which of the over 45,000 sects are you talking about ? How do you know YOURS is the only right one lol?

Good point. and the only thing to believe in atheism is that there is no evidence of a god. That's easy. In atheism, there are no sects, no traditions, no punishments, no eternal rewards. We're humans, that's it -- and we're very lucky to be in this world at all.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it extremely creepy that some people posting here think they have any say into how other people raise their children.

If you think you have authority over other people’s kids, tell me how you exert or exercise that authority in real life. Also, what would you do differently if someone told you they had a say in how you raised your children?

When you think something is child abuse and brainwashing, unhealthy for both the individual and society, you don't think you have a right to express that thought?

Sorry but your bronze age bullsh*t hurts the world, and some of us are done sitting by passively while cults perpetuate pain and suffering. And no that is not hyperbole.

You are in the wrong country, if you think you or anyone else is going to classify a family being religious and practicing religious freedom as cults that perpetuate pain and suffering. America was founded on freedom, and religious freedom is among those freedoms. You have no moral or legal right to stop people from practicing their religion in the United States. You are severely flawed in your premise that “some of you” are “done sitting by” and going to take away every American’s right to practice their religion.

The First Amendment of the United States Constitution protects the freedom of religion in the United States:

Establishment Clause
Prohibits the government from establishing a religion. The Lemon test, set forth in Lemon v. Kurtzman (1971), governs what constitutes an establishment of religion.

Free Exercise Clause
Protects the right of citizens to practice their religion as they choose, as long as it doesn't violate public morals or a compelling government interest.

Some other examples of religious freedom in the United States include:
The right to collect unemployment benefits if you lose your job because your employer forces you to work on a religious holiday
The right to operate a church without government interference, even if only a few people share your beliefs
The right to use public property to promote your religious beliefs
Title VII of the Civil Rights Act protects employees from religious discrimination in the workplace
The United States' commitment to religious freedom has been strong, as shown by the 2023 Religious Freedom Index score of 69, the highest ever.

If you don’t like religion, don’t be religious. Simple. Leave others alone. You aren’t in charge of their minds or their decisions. Focus on your own life.

DP but the first amendment you cite is also freedom from religion.

I think it’s funny you’re saying we should leave religious people alone when it’s religious people shoving their beliefs into our political system, using at a reason to ban books at schools, etc.

You.leave.us.alone. Practice your religion on your own time. Teach your kids your beliefs. But stop insisting society function in line with those beliefs.

You should read gotquestions.org to educate yourself about Christianity, you and every atheist who spouts their opinions that are incorrect about Christianity. That way you will have the basic information and understanding about the religion you don’t believe in. And the God you don’t believe in. It’s ok to not believe, but at least you will understand correctly about what you don’t believe in.

It's pretty sad to see you getting your religious information from some random website. Don't you attend church, or read the bible yourself?

Also, don't christians hate when atheists derail their threads? But here you are doing it on an atheist thread? Also likely violating TOS of the site by copy and pasting whole pages of garbage info from that website?

I think that everyone is allowed to think whatever they want, but atheists who think Christianity is crazy and harmful should not post their opinions about Christianity as fact.

I don’t represent any atheist thought as fact about atheism or how atheists think. Atheists should refrain from speaking for Christianity or Christians, especially if they don’t know the basic principles of Christianity.

Ie, “God sends Christians to heaven if they are good.” (Which is what an atheist posted in this thread.)

Christianity does not teach that. Atheists might have been taught that, or might believe that because they heard another atheist say it. But what most Christians believe about that is here:

Going to heaven—how can I guarantee my eternal destination?
https://www.gotquestions.org/going-to-heaven.html

The part that is the most important: Faith in Jesus is the one means of going to heaven. Those who have faith are guaranteed to get there.

Ok? That’s it. The link has a more detailed explanation.

Atheists: please stop misrepresenting Christianity because you don’t believe it. It’s completely fine for you to be atheist. Really. You can have an opinion about every single religion you don’t believe in. But not knowing the facts about what religions believe is the part that you should correct. That’s it.

Fine, it’s my opinion that religion causes a lot of harms in the world. My opinion is based on the fact that many wars, including modern day conflicts, stem from religious beliefs and that many people throughout history have used religion to marginalize women.

But I also think religious people should admit religion is really just an opinion (or belief). It’s not the known truth so stop expecting others to act as if your beliefs are somehow relevant to our lives. I really don’t care if you believe the earth was made by a giant bunny so long as I don’t have to be affected by that belief in any sort of government/public school setting.

*This* type of thing is why so many of us are frustrated with religion being shoved down our throats.

https://apnews.com/article/texas-bible-religion-schools-52b74577982b34ce2607b693bd51cae7

https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2024/07/16/critics-decry-religion-classrooms-some-fear-how-far-florida-will-go/

https://www.acslaw.org/expertforum/the-demise-of-roe-v-wade-undermines-freedom-of-religion/

The fundamental problem with many religions is that a basic tenet is spreading the word and getting other people to believe. That is the part I cannot get behind. Leave people alone. Leave the schools alone. Follow your own beliefs but don’t bring them into politics.

The host of the last 100 years indicates there is just as much war and genocide caused by atheistic ideologies.

Please educate yourself-many religions are non-proselytizing.

- an atheist

But an ideology that happens to be atheist isn't equivalent to a religion. No one is hurting others in the name of atheism.

Communism enforced state atheism is very successful at killing religious people and institutions in countries that have state atheism.

That is in the name of communism.

Correct. Communism, not atheism.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it extremely creepy that some people posting here think they have any say into how other people raise their children.

If you think you have authority over other people’s kids, tell me how you exert or exercise that authority in real life. Also, what would you do differently if someone told you they had a say in how you raised your children?

When you think something is child abuse and brainwashing, unhealthy for both the individual and society, you don't think you have a right to express that thought?

Sorry but your bronze age bullsh*t hurts the world, and some of us are done sitting by passively while cults perpetuate pain and suffering. And no that is not hyperbole.

You are in the wrong country, if you think you or anyone else is going to classify a family being religious and practicing religious freedom as cults that perpetuate pain and suffering. America was founded on freedom, and religious freedom is among those freedoms. You have no moral or legal right to stop people from practicing their religion in the United States. You are severely flawed in your premise that “some of you” are “done sitting by” and going to take away every American’s right to practice their religion.

The First Amendment of the United States Constitution protects the freedom of religion in the United States:

Establishment Clause
Prohibits the government from establishing a religion. The Lemon test, set forth in Lemon v. Kurtzman (1971), governs what constitutes an establishment of religion.

Free Exercise Clause
Protects the right of citizens to practice their religion as they choose, as long as it doesn't violate public morals or a compelling government interest.

Some other examples of religious freedom in the United States include:
The right to collect unemployment benefits if you lose your job because your employer forces you to work on a religious holiday
The right to operate a church without government interference, even if only a few people share your beliefs
The right to use public property to promote your religious beliefs
Title VII of the Civil Rights Act protects employees from religious discrimination in the workplace
The United States' commitment to religious freedom has been strong, as shown by the 2023 Religious Freedom Index score of 69, the highest ever.

If you don’t like religion, don’t be religious. Simple. Leave others alone. You aren’t in charge of their minds or their decisions. Focus on your own life.

DP but the first amendment you cite is also freedom from religion.

I think it’s funny you’re saying we should leave religious people alone when it’s religious people shoving their beliefs into our political system, using at a reason to ban books at schools, etc.

You.leave.us.alone. Practice your religion on your own time. Teach your kids your beliefs. But stop insisting society function in line with those beliefs.

You should read gotquestions.org to educate yourself about Christianity, you and every atheist who spouts their opinions that are incorrect about Christianity. That way you will have the basic information and understanding about the religion you don’t believe in. And the God you don’t believe in. It’s ok to not believe, but at least you will understand correctly about what you don’t believe in.

It's pretty sad to see you getting your religious information from some random website. Don't you attend church, or read the bible yourself?

Also, don't christians hate when atheists derail their threads? But here you are doing it on an atheist thread? Also likely violating TOS of the site by copy and pasting whole pages of garbage info from that website?

I think that everyone is allowed to think whatever they want, but atheists who think Christianity is crazy and harmful should not post their opinions about Christianity as fact.

I don’t represent any atheist thought as fact about atheism or how atheists think. Atheists should refrain from speaking for Christianity or Christians, especially if they don’t know the basic principles of Christianity.

Ie, “God sends Christians to heaven if they are good.” (Which is what an atheist posted in this thread.)

Christianity does not teach that. Atheists might have been taught that, or might believe that because they heard another atheist say it. But what most Christians believe about that is here:

Going to heaven—how can I guarantee my eternal destination?
https://www.gotquestions.org/going-to-heaven.html

The part that is the most important: Faith in Jesus is the one means of going to heaven. Those who have faith are guaranteed to get there.

Ok? That’s it. The link has a more detailed explanation.

Atheists: please stop misrepresenting Christianity because you don’t believe it. It’s completely fine for you to be atheist. Really. You can have an opinion about every single religion you don’t believe in. But not knowing the facts about what religions believe is the part that you should correct. That’s it.

Fine, it’s my opinion that religion causes a lot of harms in the world. My opinion is based on the fact that many wars, including modern day conflicts, stem from religious beliefs and that many people throughout history have used religion to marginalize women.

But I also think religious people should admit religion is really just an opinion (or belief). It’s not the known truth so stop expecting others to act as if your beliefs are somehow relevant to our lives. I really don’t care if you believe the earth was made by a giant bunny so long as I don’t have to be affected by that belief in any sort of government/public school setting.

*This* type of thing is why so many of us are frustrated with religion being shoved down our throats.

https://apnews.com/article/texas-bible-religion-schools-52b74577982b34ce2607b693bd51cae7

https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2024/07/16/critics-decry-religion-classrooms-some-fear-how-far-florida-will-go/

https://www.acslaw.org/expertforum/the-demise-of-roe-v-wade-undermines-freedom-of-religion/

The fundamental problem with many religions is that a basic tenet is spreading the word and getting other people to believe. That is the part I cannot get behind. Leave people alone. Leave the schools alone. Follow your own beliefs but don’t bring them into politics.

The host of the last 100 years indicates there is just as much war and genocide caused by atheistic ideologies.

Please educate yourself-many religions are non-proselytizing.

- an atheist

But an ideology that happens to be atheist isn't equivalent to a religion. No one is hurting others in the name of atheism.

Communism enforced state atheism is very successful at killing religious people and institutions in countries that have state atheism.

That is in the name of communism.

Correct. Communism, not atheism.

Then religion never killed anyone either.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it extremely creepy that some people posting here think they have any say into how other people raise their children.

If you think you have authority over other people’s kids, tell me how you exert or exercise that authority in real life. Also, what would you do differently if someone told you they had a say in how you raised your children?

When you think something is child abuse and brainwashing, unhealthy for both the individual and society, you don't think you have a right to express that thought?

Sorry but your bronze age bullsh*t hurts the world, and some of us are done sitting by passively while cults perpetuate pain and suffering. And no that is not hyperbole.

You are in the wrong country, if you think you or anyone else is going to classify a family being religious and practicing religious freedom as cults that perpetuate pain and suffering. America was founded on freedom, and religious freedom is among those freedoms. You have no moral or legal right to stop people from practicing their religion in the United States. You are severely flawed in your premise that “some of you” are “done sitting by” and going to take away every American’s right to practice their religion.

The First Amendment of the United States Constitution protects the freedom of religion in the United States:

Establishment Clause
Prohibits the government from establishing a religion. The Lemon test, set forth in Lemon v. Kurtzman (1971), governs what constitutes an establishment of religion.

Free Exercise Clause
Protects the right of citizens to practice their religion as they choose, as long as it doesn't violate public morals or a compelling government interest.

Some other examples of religious freedom in the United States include:
The right to collect unemployment benefits if you lose your job because your employer forces you to work on a religious holiday
The right to operate a church without government interference, even if only a few people share your beliefs
The right to use public property to promote your religious beliefs
Title VII of the Civil Rights Act protects employees from religious discrimination in the workplace
The United States' commitment to religious freedom has been strong, as shown by the 2023 Religious Freedom Index score of 69, the highest ever.

If you don’t like religion, don’t be religious. Simple. Leave others alone. You aren’t in charge of their minds or their decisions. Focus on your own life.

DP but the first amendment you cite is also freedom from religion.

I think it’s funny you’re saying we should leave religious people alone when it’s religious people shoving their beliefs into our political system, using at a reason to ban books at schools, etc.

You.leave.us.alone. Practice your religion on your own time. Teach your kids your beliefs. But stop insisting society function in line with those beliefs.

You should read gotquestions.org to educate yourself about Christianity, you and every atheist who spouts their opinions that are incorrect about Christianity. That way you will have the basic information and understanding about the religion you don’t believe in. And the God you don’t believe in. It’s ok to not believe, but at least you will understand correctly about what you don’t believe in.

It's pretty sad to see you getting your religious information from some random website. Don't you attend church, or read the bible yourself?

Also, don't christians hate when atheists derail their threads? But here you are doing it on an atheist thread? Also likely violating TOS of the site by copy and pasting whole pages of garbage info from that website?

I think that everyone is allowed to think whatever they want, but atheists who think Christianity is crazy and harmful should not post their opinions about Christianity as fact.

I don’t represent any atheist thought as fact about atheism or how atheists think. Atheists should refrain from speaking for Christianity or Christians, especially if they don’t know the basic principles of Christianity.

Ie, “God sends Christians to heaven if they are good.” (Which is what an atheist posted in this thread.)

Christianity does not teach that. Atheists might have been taught that, or might believe that because they heard another atheist say it. But what most Christians believe about that is here:

Going to heaven—how can I guarantee my eternal destination?
https://www.gotquestions.org/going-to-heaven.html

The part that is the most important: Faith in Jesus is the one means of going to heaven. Those who have faith are guaranteed to get there.

Ok? That’s it. The link has a more detailed explanation.

Atheists: please stop misrepresenting Christianity because you don’t believe it. It’s completely fine for you to be atheist. Really. You can have an opinion about every single religion you don’t believe in. But not knowing the facts about what religions believe is the part that you should correct. That’s it.

The funny thing is that there are actual other branches of Christianity that DO NOT believe that faith is what gets you to heaven. But only YOUR version is right correct ?

Only MY version is right for ME.

You can have your own heaven.

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Anonymous wrote:I think your approach is confusing OP. God is not like Santa. As atheists we didn't really discuss religion/God with our daughter when she was little, but as she was becoming more aware of religion from outside the house we discussed that some people believed in God etc. We have also made it clear even though we are Atheists she may feel differently to us and that is great. Whatever feels right to her. When we first discussed death we kept it simple and didn't talk about religion.

I bet there aren't too many religious parents who tell their children that it's great if they decide on atheism.

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Anonymous wrote:I find it extremely creepy that some people posting here think they have any say into how other people raise their children.

If you think you have authority over other people’s kids, tell me how you exert or exercise that authority in real life. Also, what would you do differently if someone told you they had a say in how you raised your children?

When you think something is child abuse and brainwashing, unhealthy for both the individual and society, you don't think you have a right to express that thought?

Sorry but your bronze age bullsh*t hurts the world, and some of us are done sitting by passively while cults perpetuate pain and suffering. And no that is not hyperbole.

You are in the wrong country, if you think you or anyone else is going to classify a family being religious and practicing religious freedom as cults that perpetuate pain and suffering. America was founded on freedom, and religious freedom is among those freedoms. You have no moral or legal right to stop people from practicing their religion in the United States. You are severely flawed in your premise that “some of you” are “done sitting by” and going to take away every American’s right to practice their religion.

The First Amendment of the United States Constitution protects the freedom of religion in the United States:

Establishment Clause
Prohibits the government from establishing a religion. The Lemon test, set forth in Lemon v. Kurtzman (1971), governs what constitutes an establishment of religion.

Free Exercise Clause
Protects the right of citizens to practice their religion as they choose, as long as it doesn't violate public morals or a compelling government interest.

Some other examples of religious freedom in the United States include:
The right to collect unemployment benefits if you lose your job because your employer forces you to work on a religious holiday
The right to operate a church without government interference, even if only a few people share your beliefs
The right to use public property to promote your religious beliefs
Title VII of the Civil Rights Act protects employees from religious discrimination in the workplace
The United States' commitment to religious freedom has been strong, as shown by the 2023 Religious Freedom Index score of 69, the highest ever.

If you don’t like religion, don’t be religious. Simple. Leave others alone. You aren’t in charge of their minds or their decisions. Focus on your own life.

DP but the first amendment you cite is also freedom from religion.

I think it’s funny you’re saying we should leave religious people alone when it’s religious people shoving their beliefs into our political system, using at a reason to ban books at schools, etc.

You.leave.us.alone. Practice your religion on your own time. Teach your kids your beliefs. But stop insisting society function in line with those beliefs.

You should read gotquestions.org to educate yourself about Christianity, you and every atheist who spouts their opinions that are incorrect about Christianity. That way you will have the basic information and understanding about the religion you don’t believe in. And the God you don’t believe in. It’s ok to not believe, but at least you will understand correctly about what you don’t believe in.

It's pretty sad to see you getting your religious information from some random website. Don't you attend church, or read the bible yourself?

Also, don't christians hate when atheists derail their threads? But here you are doing it on an atheist thread? Also likely violating TOS of the site by copy and pasting whole pages of garbage info from that website?

I think that everyone is allowed to think whatever they want, but atheists who think Christianity is crazy and harmful should not post their opinions about Christianity as fact.

I don’t represent any atheist thought as fact about atheism or how atheists think. Atheists should refrain from speaking for Christianity or Christians, especially if they don’t know the basic principles of Christianity.

Ie, “God sends Christians to heaven if they are good.” (Which is what an atheist posted in this thread.)

Christianity does not teach that. Atheists might have been taught that, or might believe that because they heard another atheist say it. But what most Christians believe about that is here:

Going to heaven—how can I guarantee my eternal destination?
https://www.gotquestions.org/going-to-heaven.html

The part that is the most important: Faith in Jesus is the one means of going to heaven. Those who have faith are guaranteed to get there.

Ok? That’s it. The link has a more detailed explanation.

Atheists: please stop misrepresenting Christianity because you don’t believe it. It’s completely fine for you to be atheist. Really. You can have an opinion about every single religion you don’t believe in. But not knowing the facts about what religions believe is the part that you should correct. That’s it.

Fine, it’s my opinion that religion causes a lot of harms in the world. My opinion is based on the fact that many wars, including modern day conflicts, stem from religious beliefs and that many people throughout history have used religion to marginalize women.

But I also think religious people should admit religion is really just an opinion (or belief). It’s not the known truth so stop expecting others to act as if your beliefs are somehow relevant to our lives. I really don’t care if you believe the earth was made by a giant bunny so long as I don’t have to be affected by that belief in any sort of government/public school setting.

*This* type of thing is why so many of us are frustrated with religion being shoved down our throats.

https://apnews.com/article/texas-bible-religion-schools-52b74577982b34ce2607b693bd51cae7

https://www.tampabay.com/news/education/2024/07/16/critics-decry-religion-classrooms-some-fear-how-far-florida-will-go/

https://www.acslaw.org/expertforum/the-demise-of-roe-v-wade-undermines-freedom-of-religion/

The fundamental problem with many religions is that a basic tenet is spreading the word and getting other people to believe. That is the part I cannot get behind. Leave people alone. Leave the schools alone. Follow your own beliefs but don’t bring them into politics.

The host of the last 100 years indicates there is just as much war and genocide caused by atheistic ideologies.

Please educate yourself-many religions are non-proselytizing.

- an atheist

But an ideology that happens to be atheist isn't equivalent to a religion. No one is hurting others in the name of atheism.

Communism enforced state atheism is very successful at killing religious people and institutions in countries that have state atheism.

That is in the name of communism.

Correct. Communism, not atheism.

Then religion never killed anyone either.

I heard that the Nazis had "Gott mit uns" (God with us) on their belt buckles.