Mass Deportation: this is going to be expensive

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It will be expensive.
It will cause labor shortages. (I’m largely referring to the folks here on amnesty, not illegal immigrants.).
It will cause prices to rise.
It will lead to Trumpflation.

It will be worth every penny.
It will force employers to hire Americans.
America should not depend on the exploitation of poor and desperate foreigners as an acceptable segment of our economy.
We are already in the midst of high inflation. Let's try something else.

We are not currently in the midst of high inflation. Inflation is 2.6%. You are ignorant.

My health insurance monthly premium just went up 22%. My car insurance premium went up 14%.

That technically isn't high inflation. You may still be seeing the impact of high inflation, but we currently aren't in it. Additionally, your costs will continue to rise under Trump. .

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The problem about replacing illegal immigrant workers with legal American workers is both of those groups pay into our tax structure but only Americans pull out of it. So we are going to have very large shortfalls for social security and Medicaid and Medicare in the very near future because millions of more Americans will be drawing out of that system instead of just paying in

Loudly proclaiming that we should support the exploitation of the Poor's labor so that they pay into a system they will never benefit from shows terrible character on your part.

Pointing this out isn't immoral. It's going to be a problem. What is your solution to this problem? Because like it or not you're going to feel the ill effects too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We are a sovereign nation. We have to control our borders and vet who is coming into our country. The Biden-Democrat open borders policies are wrong. No other developed country has these insane policies of allowing millions of illegal immigrants to walk into their country. I voted for Trump because I am fed up with illegal immigration. My health insurance premium skyrocketed for next year. This is in addition to my car insurance premium skyrocketing and housing becoming unaffordable. I am convinced it is because of all of the illegal immigrants in the area, driving while uninsured and using the hospital emergency room for care and never paying their bills. Illegal immigration is costly to the American people. Paying marginally more for the cost of produce would be worth the savings we would get from the cost of educating their kids, absorbing the cost for their health care, etc.

+1000

You think all those unpaid medical bills from undocumented individuals just magically disappear in the sky? They get passed along to all of us who have insurance. The number of uninsured undocumented drivers also upends actuarial models and they have to now acocunt for them and basically being on the hook for coverage if an accident is caused by them. I'd love for auto insurance companies to show their data for their estimates for numbers of uninsured drivers in an area related to undocumented status. You know they know it or have a good estimate for it. And then I'd love to see how much that is adding in premium costs for our citizens.

[Anonymous]

Minimal expense: Line up earth movers and push them back across the border.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It will be expensive.
It will cause labor shortages. (I’m largely referring to the folks here on amnesty, not illegal immigrants.).
It will cause prices to rise.
It will lead to Trumpflation.

It will be worth every penny.
It will force employers to hire Americans.
America should not depend on the exploitation of poor and desperate foreigners as an acceptable segment of our economy.
We are already in the midst of high inflation. Let's try something else.

We are not currently in the midst of high inflation. Inflation is 2.6%. You are ignorant.

My grocery bill says otherwise. Apparently a majority of voters feel the same way. Immigration, inflation and hyperfocus on social issues are the polled reasons voters picked Trump. Sounds like you're the ignorant one here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Do not care. The medicine is expensive. Democrats should have thought about this before having mass open borders and allowing anyone to walk in if all they said was 'asylum'. Yes, it will cost a lot of money to fix the cesspool left by the Democrats.

It will be offset though by the tax savings we will get since our schools and hospitals will no longer be overrun. They will finally stop increasing our property taxes to keep paying for more and more schools and teachers who can teach ESL.

You also cannot place a price on our safety and national security. It was so disturbing when they reported how many ISIS affiliates had infiltrated in through our porous borders allowed by Biden, Harris, and the Dems.

Look, being hard-line about this is going to produce heartbreaking stories and photos. It will be a bitter pill. But you wouldn't have to go put people and families in detention centers if they never came here illegally or by gaming the asylum system in the first place. We are an autonomous country that is allowed to exist and have borders. Once we show spine and back bone about being tough on immigration, guess what? People will get the message to not even come and they won't take stupid risks to even try. Moral hazard. In the end, we will save many more lives and suffering by removing all incentives to coming here illegally in the first place. By allowing people in who are caught and released or who can stay for years by gaming the asylum system, you just keep encouraging more and more to take stupid risks and ruin our entire control over immigration. That's a far worse option that inadvertently causes much more suffering.

The US is a country of immigrants. Your ancestors came here illegally too. This land did not belong to them. It belonged to the millions of native Americans who were already living here.

The govt was not providing housing and medical expenses to them.

The government wasn’t using taxpayer dollars to provide housing, food, healthcare, and for illegal immigrants.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do not care. The medicine is expensive. Democrats should have thought about this before having mass open borders and allowing anyone to walk in if all they said was 'asylum'. Yes, it will cost a lot of money to fix the cesspool left by the Democrats.

It will be offset though by the tax savings we will get since our schools and hospitals will no longer be overrun. They will finally stop increasing our property taxes to keep paying for more and more schools and teachers who can teach ESL.

You also cannot place a price on our safety and national security. It was so disturbing when they reported how many ISIS affiliates had infiltrated in through our porous borders allowed by Biden, Harris, and the Dems.

Look, being hard-line about this is going to produce heartbreaking stories and photos. It will be a bitter pill. But you wouldn't have to go put people and families in detention centers if they never came here illegally or by gaming the asylum system in the first place. We are an autonomous country that is allowed to exist and have borders. Once we show spine and back bone about being tough on immigration, guess what? People will get the message to not even come and they won't take stupid risks to even try. Moral hazard. In the end, we will save many more lives and suffering by removing all incentives to coming here illegally in the first place. By allowing people in who are caught and released or who can stay for years by gaming the asylum system, you just keep encouraging more and more to take stupid risks and ruin our entire control over immigration. That's a far worse option that inadvertently causes much more suffering.

The US is a country of immigrants. Your ancestors came here illegally too. This land did not belong to them. It belonged to the millions of native Americans who were already living here.

The govt was not providing housing and medical expenses to them.

The government wasn’t using taxpayer dollars to provide housing, food, healthcare, and for illegal immigrants.

PP here. I agree but not sure I understand your point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do not care. The medicine is expensive. Democrats should have thought about this before having mass open borders and allowing anyone to walk in if all they said was 'asylum'. Yes, it will cost a lot of money to fix the cesspool left by the Democrats.

It will be offset though by the tax savings we will get since our schools and hospitals will no longer be overrun. They will finally stop increasing our property taxes to keep paying for more and more schools and teachers who can teach ESL.

You also cannot place a price on our safety and national security. It was so disturbing when they reported how many ISIS affiliates had infiltrated in through our porous borders allowed by Biden, Harris, and the Dems.

Look, being hard-line about this is going to produce heartbreaking stories and photos. It will be a bitter pill. But you wouldn't have to go put people and families in detention centers if they never came here illegally or by gaming the asylum system in the first place. We are an autonomous country that is allowed to exist and have borders. Once we show spine and back bone about being tough on immigration, guess what? People will get the message to not even come and they won't take stupid risks to even try. Moral hazard. In the end, we will save many more lives and suffering by removing all incentives to coming here illegally in the first place. By allowing people in who are caught and released or who can stay for years by gaming the asylum system, you just keep encouraging more and more to take stupid risks and ruin our entire control over immigration. That's a far worse option that inadvertently causes much more suffering.

The US is a country of immigrants. Your ancestors came here illegally too. This land did not belong to them. It belonged to the millions of native Americans who were already living here.

The native Americans got conquered, just like 10483728 other societies in world history. So did all of the Indians in Central and South America, Australia, New Zealand, and Canada. What a dumb talking point. You going to dissolve half the planet's countries because they are formed in land previously owned by conquered societies?

I'm sorry the Native Americans lost. Unfortunately history and country borders are controlled but the winners.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do not care. The medicine is expensive. Democrats should have thought about this before having mass open borders and allowing anyone to walk in if all they said was 'asylum'. Yes, it will cost a lot of money to fix the cesspool left by the Democrats.

It will be offset though by the tax savings we will get since our schools and hospitals will no longer be overrun. They will finally stop increasing our property taxes to keep paying for more and more schools and teachers who can teach ESL.

You also cannot place a price on our safety and national security. It was so disturbing when they reported how many ISIS affiliates had infiltrated in through our porous borders allowed by Biden, Harris, and the Dems.

Look, being hard-line about this is going to produce heartbreaking stories and photos. It will be a bitter pill. But you wouldn't have to go put people and families in detention centers if they never came here illegally or by gaming the asylum system in the first place. We are an autonomous country that is allowed to exist and have borders. Once we show spine and back bone about being tough on immigration, guess what? People will get the message to not even come and they won't take stupid risks to even try. Moral hazard. In the end, we will save many more lives and suffering by removing all incentives to coming here illegally in the first place. By allowing people in who are caught and released or who can stay for years by gaming the asylum system, you just keep encouraging more and more to take stupid risks and ruin our entire control over immigration. That's a far worse option that inadvertently causes much more suffering.

The US is a country of immigrants. Your ancestors came here illegally too. This land did not belong to them. It belonged to the millions of native Americans who were already living here.

The govt was not providing housing and medical expenses to them.

The government wasn’t using taxpayer dollars to provide housing, food, healthcare, and educational services (schools for children at all levels, college loans, grants) for illegal immigrants.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem about replacing illegal immigrant workers with legal American workers is both of those groups pay into our tax structure but only Americans pull out of it. So we are going to have very large shortfalls for social security and Medicaid and Medicare in the very near future because millions of more Americans will be drawing out of that system instead of just paying in

Loudly proclaiming that we should support the exploitation of the Poor's labor so that they pay into a system they will never benefit from shows terrible character on your part.

Pointing this out isn't immoral. It's going to be a problem. What is your solution to this problem? Because like it or not you're going to feel the ill effects too.

It's absolutely immoral. The response to deporting illegal immigrants is always screaming about who is going to pick your strawberries and cut your lawn. It's always they pay into the system that they don't pull from. Every. Single. Time. And you know as well as I do that the sub context is that we shouldn't deport them as a result; that we should continue their exploitation. Medicare will not be around for me or anyone in my generation or younger.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The problem about replacing illegal immigrant workers with legal American workers is both of those groups pay into our tax structure but only Americans pull out of it. So we are going to have very large shortfalls for social security and Medicaid and Medicare in the very near future because millions of more Americans will be drawing out of that system instead of just paying in

Loudly proclaiming that we should support the exploitation of the Poor's labor so that they pay into a system they will never benefit from shows terrible character on your part.

Pointing this out isn't immoral. It's going to be a problem. What is your solution to this problem? Because like it or not you're going to feel the ill effects too.

It's absolutely immoral. The response to deporting illegal immigrants is always screaming about who is going to pick your strawberries and cut your lawn. It's always they pay into the system that they don't pull from. Every. Single. Time. And you know as well as I do that the sub context is that we shouldn't deport them as a result; that we should continue their exploitation. Medicare will not be around for me or anyone in my generation or younger.

How about, we should appreciate the contributions Mexican workers have ALWAYS made to our economy and create a legal way for them to enter and exit with dignity. Not make them wait in line behind rich Africans and Asians who have very little relationship with our nation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's expensive to deport that many people, which is why most of us know there is something way more awful coming.

Correct. However, we are hysterical if we point out history in 1933 is indeed repeating itself in 2024. So, guess we will just be calm as a performative act. See how easy it is for history to repeat itself?

Stop speaking in riddles. What do you think is going to happen?

In 1933, Jews were not allowed to leave. In this scenario we are asking people here illegally to leave so yes, you are being hysterical. If they self deport, there is no issue.

Why are you referencing Jews leaving Europe in the 1930s as it had nothing to do with the United States, except for the fact that the liberal president Franklin Roosevelt would not allow them to enter the United States. This is the same liberal president Franklin Roosevelt who deported over 2 million Mexicans and Mexican-Americans to Mexico during the 1930s and 1940s because they held jobs he thought Americans could fill during the depression. He followed that up with Japanese internment camps as a way for his wealthy west coast supporters to grab their businesses, land, and homes from American citizens. Trump has no one better than FDR to show him how it is done.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Do not care. The medicine is expensive. Democrats should have thought about this before having mass open borders and allowing anyone to walk in if all they said was 'asylum'. Yes, it will cost a lot of money to fix the cesspool left by the Democrats.

It will be offset though by the tax savings we will get since our schools and hospitals will no longer be overrun. They will finally stop increasing our property taxes to keep paying for more and more schools and teachers who can teach ESL.

You also cannot place a price on our safety and national security. It was so disturbing when they reported how many ISIS affiliates had infiltrated in through our porous borders allowed by Biden, Harris, and the Dems.

Look, being hard-line about this is going to produce heartbreaking stories and photos. It will be a bitter pill. But you wouldn't have to go put people and families in detention centers if they never came here illegally or by gaming the asylum system in the first place. We are an autonomous country that is allowed to exist and have borders. Once we show spine and back bone about being tough on immigration, guess what? People will get the message to not even come and they won't take stupid risks to even try. Moral hazard. In the end, we will save many more lives and suffering by removing all incentives to coming here illegally in the first place. By allowing people in who are caught and released or who can stay for years by gaming the asylum system, you just keep encouraging more and more to take stupid risks and ruin our entire control over immigration. That's a far worse option that inadvertently causes much more suffering.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It will be expensive.
It will cause labor shortages. (I’m largely referring to the folks here on amnesty, not illegal immigrants.).
It will cause prices to rise.
It will lead to Trumpflation.

It will be worth every penny.
It will force employers to hire Americans.
America should not depend on the exploitation of poor and desperate foreigners as an acceptable segment of our economy.
We are already in the midst of high inflation. Let's try something else.

We are not currently in the midst of high inflation. Inflation is 2.6%. You are ignorant.

My grocery bill says otherwise. Apparently a majority of voters feel the same way. Immigration, inflation and hyperfocus on social issues are the polled reasons voters picked Trump. Sounds like you're the ignorant one here.

And what is Trump’s plan for food prices and inflation??

[Anonymous]

My insurance broker had a similar story when her 23 year old son was hit by a car while walking in the parking lot, and his skull was cracked. He was in a coma for several months and miraculously survived. The hit and run driver was an illegal migrant with no insurance.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what are the MAGAs going to do when they do mass detention and deportation of illegals and it barely makes a dent in crime -

And in fact, crime goes up because costs go up because a lot of the goods and services we enjoyed that were dependent on their labor goes up...

Define crime. Because coming in illegally is a crime. Driving around without insurance is a crime. Working without a valid i9 and not paying state and federal income tax is a crime. Skipping out on hospital bill payments is a crime. Stealing identities and social security numbers so you can work is a crime. You are on,y looking at a fraction of crimes illegal immigrants commit if you think murders are all that matters.


I bought a brand new car and was hit in less than a week after getting it. The guy who got out to look basically spoke zero English and high tailed it out of there, probably because he had no insurance and was undocumented. Now I, as a law abiding citizen, get screwed because I had to pay to fix everything and my insurance went up because I was hit by an undocumented migrant who had no insurance and broke even more laws by hit and running.

+1 The same thing happened to me. A non-english speaking man sideswiped my car in a starbucks drive through of all places. We both got out and I simply stated he hit my car. He walked back to his truck and fled. Fantastic.

Imagine a man rapes and kills your daughter instead of damaging your car? We need the border secured. Trump has a mandate to do that now, and he will.

Anyone who wants to take their daughter to a foreign country to be raped and killed by a legal citizen of that country- feel free. Take your car along and let it be hit into and crumpled up, too.