Why aren’t males attending college?

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Anonymous wrote:So many of the colleges we have looked at have gender imbalances with higher rates of females. What’s happening?

There's college and then there's "college."

I'd venture say that the ratio is balanced on the real fields of study, but then very female in the women studies and ethnic studies and other made up stuff.

You just have to find colleges and avoid "colleges."

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Anonymous wrote:Because many male high paying jobs, truck driver, car salesman, trades, military construction, fireman and cops don't require college.

Tell me you will hire an ADHD boy with motor skills issues for any of those jobs? Oh right, they are disqualified. Car salesman is the only option that might work, unless they are also introverted.

Where do you think all the ADHD kids were before the label? (A: menial jobs where someone else plans their bathroom breaks.) But, no it's not because these jobs are better paying, it's because they've always been a fallback position for males.

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Anonymous wrote:So many of the colleges we have looked at have gender imbalances with higher rates of females. What’s happening?

There's college and then there's "college."

I'd venture say that the ratio is balanced on the real fields of study, but then very female in the women studies and ethnic studies and other made up stuff.

You just have to find colleges and avoid "colleges."

Look I get it that you want to flex your superiority complex on everyone, but my guy- As a physics and math grad, there are like 8 whole people in those departments at a majority of colleges nationwide. Women are very common in “real colleges”and eclipse men in biology and often chemistry.

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Anonymous wrote:So may parents relinquish their boys to the internet and video games from a young age—“that’s just how they socialize!”—and then can’t understand why they end up complete duds by their late teens.

My college boys play video games and are doing fine. Let's focus on the real issues.

It is a real issue. One of the biggest, in my opinion. Attention spans are way down, radical ideology, magical thinking, and/or complete apathy seem to be way up.

And give me a break on the “feminization of education.” I have seen so many things dumbed down and gamified just to try to keep the screen-addled boys engaged.

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We seriously limited (and still do for our junior) screen time. We try to keep him from wasting hours on youtube/social media. Phone plugged in kitchen when he gets home. At night--all devices are kept plugged in downstairs. He no longer has any desire to play video games. He was big on Xbox in MS, early HS. Now he never plays---home homework and then 2 hours of sports practice. The change in mood is really noticeable then when he had a lot more phone time. It's a hassle, but building good habits BEFORE they go to college is essential. I have a Freshmen--other than FiFa tournaments--he really didn't play video games either.

SLEEP. Sleep is essential in these teen years. We still did not let them stay up all hours of the night--holidays or summers too.

My oldest is very social in college. Very well-balanced, healthy--plays club sport, tons of friends and doing great in school first semester. He has a roommate a lot like him--that thankfully did not bring a gaming system and cares about health (goes to gym regularly too), and they keep relatively normal schedule. It is an Ivy so you can't be there and not be motivated in school.

I think this is key: DS at Duke is very similar to yours. There is not a lot of gaming and they are serious and motivated students. His HS closest pal went to Penn and describes similar--club sport, still plays his instrument, goes out with a co-ed group of friends just like my Dukie. These schools are competitive but not in a cutthroat way, more like motivation for each other to achieve. That was not too common among males in their public HS, the culture of male academic drive simply was not there

My sons were at an all-male private and it did have the culture of male academic drive.

Not many of those around anymore. It’s interesting there are still several prominent all women’s colleges. In fact I think there are 30 all women colleges to 4 all men.

Correction, 26 all women colleges to 3 all men.

Of the 26 all women colleges, 7 are in the top 50 for LACs. Of the 3 all men, 0 are.

A high-prestige all-male LAC could not exist. Men wouldn't be allowed to keep such a college. Women would demand admission to it, and they would get it.

This hasn’t been true at the primary and secondary school level, which is much more impactful on your economic and social opportunity. Maybe men should actually make quality colleges.

[Anonymous]

We used to teach men that discipline was necessary for a quality life and successful career. Now people complain of it being “anti-male” to discipline boys rightfully for erratic behavior. I do think more boys would benefit from an all male environment, since girls are socialized to be more disciplined and still than men.

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Anonymous wrote:What’s the point of going to college when they can’t get a job?
DS did his degree in microbiology. Hasn’t found a job in his field even though he applied to 100’s of positions.
The same is true with his classmates. There are those who went to grad school. The others are working minimum wage jobs that don’t require any degree.
DS is now attending a trade school to make decent money.

How is this possible? Is he trying to get a job in remote Alaska? There are so many unfilled jobs out there.

There aren't that many open jobs in the sciences, especially for white and Asian males who have to stand behind less qualified women and DEI hires when applying.

There’s an overwhelming amount of jobs in the sciences- whether your boy will tolerate the 40k starting salary is another question.

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Anonymous wrote:We used to teach men that discipline was necessary for a quality life and successful career. Now people complain of it being “anti-male” to discipline boys rightfully for erratic behavior. I do think more boys would benefit from an all male environment, since girls are socialized to be more disciplined and still than men.

Counterpoint, for generations we kept women out of academics when they are far capable both there and in any thing that requires time management and executive function. The guys will experience discipline in their gigs driving for Amazon and Doordash.

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Anonymous wrote:We used to teach men that discipline was necessary for a quality life and successful career. Now people complain of it being “anti-male” to discipline boys rightfully for erratic behavior. I do think more boys would benefit from an all male environment, since girls are socialized to be more disciplined and still than men.

Counterpoint, for generations we kept women out of academics when they are far capable both there and in any thing that requires time management and executive function. The guys will experience discipline in their gigs driving for Amazon and Doordash.

As this comment illustrates, many people don't care about boys at all. That's the real problem.

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Anonymous wrote:We used to teach men that discipline was necessary for a quality life and successful career. Now people complain of it being “anti-male” to discipline boys rightfully for erratic behavior. I do think more boys would benefit from an all male environment, since girls are socialized to be more disciplined and still than men.

Counterpoint, for generations we kept women out of academics when they are far capable both there and in any thing that requires time management and executive function. The guys will experience discipline in their gigs driving for Amazon and Doordash.

As this comment illustrates, many people don't care about boys at all. That's the real problem.

Not really, truth is this is nothing new, kids who can't get it together have always been expendable.

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Anonymous wrote:We used to teach men that discipline was necessary for a quality life and successful career. Now people complain of it being “anti-male” to discipline boys rightfully for erratic behavior. I do think more boys would benefit from an all male environment, since girls are socialized to be more disciplined and still than men.

Counterpoint, for generations we kept women out of academics when they are far capable both there and in any thing that requires time management and executive function. The guys will experience discipline in their gigs driving for Amazon and Doordash.

As this comment illustrates, many people don't care about boys at all. That's the real problem.

Not really, truth is this is nothing new, kids who can't get it together have always been expendable.

Until we’re talking about your kid, who can’t possibly be expandable, because you’ve done an awesome job as a parent. Or can’t have difficulty finding a partner to start a family because again you’ve proofed their life for any kind of setback.

The point is males seem to have difficulty enrolling in higher education and getting degrees, regardless of what their grandfathers did. I think it’s worth looking on the causes instead of just chucking it to video games and being lazy.

We want people in our society to be successful regardless of gender, not settle some score.

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Anonymous wrote:We used to teach men that discipline was necessary for a quality life and successful career. Now people complain of it being “anti-male” to discipline boys rightfully for erratic behavior. I do think more boys would benefit from an all male environment, since girls are socialized to be more disciplined and still than men.

Counterpoint, for generations we kept women out of academics when they are far capable both there and in any thing that requires time management and executive function. The guys will experience discipline in their gigs driving for Amazon and Doordash.

As this comment illustrates, many people don't care about boys at all. That's the real problem.

Not really, truth is this is nothing new, kids who can't get it together have always been expendable.

Until we’re talking about your kid, who can’t possibly be expandable, because you’ve done an awesome job as a parent. Or can’t have difficulty finding a partner to start a family because again you’ve proofed their life for any kind of setback.

The point is males seem to have difficulty enrolling in higher education and getting degrees, regardless of what their grandfathers did. I think it’s worth looking on the causes instead of just chucking it to video games and being lazy.

We want people in our society to be successful regardless of gender, not settle some score.

Yes but we also must attach personal responsibility somewhere in the equation. Men undoubtedly have various social advantages over women that should result in their success. There’s something implicitly sexist that all these discussions derive at women teachers being the issue and not the boys who’ve had continued broad access to education.

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Anonymous wrote:We used to teach men that discipline was necessary for a quality life and successful career. Now people complain of it being “anti-male” to discipline boys rightfully for erratic behavior. I do think more boys would benefit from an all male environment, since girls are socialized to be more disciplined and still than men.

Counterpoint, for generations we kept women out of academics when they are far capable both there and in any thing that requires time management and executive function. The guys will experience discipline in their gigs driving for Amazon and Doordash.

As this comment illustrates, many people don't care about boys at all. That's the real problem.

Not really, truth is this is nothing new, kids who can't get it together have always been expendable.

Until we’re talking about your kid, who can’t possibly be expandable, because you’ve done an awesome job as a parent. Or can’t have difficulty finding a partner to start a family because again you’ve proofed their life for any kind of setback.

The point is males seem to have difficulty enrolling in higher education and getting degrees, regardless of what their grandfathers did. I think it’s worth looking on the causes instead of just chucking it to video games and being lazy.

We want people in our society to be successful regardless of gender, not settle some score.

DP. Well, of course people are looking into the causes. But it’s not like they’re being shut out.

“Roughly a third (34%) of men without a bachelor’s degree say a major reason they didn’t complete college is that they just didn’t want to.”

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2021/11/08/whats-behind-the-growing-gap-between-men-and-women-in-college-completion/

So why exactly should I care if they just don’t want to? (And I have a boy, so it’s not that I don’t care about boys.)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What’s the point of going to college when they can’t get a job?
DS did his degree in microbiology. Hasn’t found a job in his field even though he applied to 100’s of positions.
The same is true with his classmates. There are those who went to grad school. The others are working minimum wage jobs that don’t require any degree.
DS is now attending a trade school to make decent money.

How is this possible? Is he trying to get a job in remote Alaska? There are so many unfilled jobs out there.

No, he has applied to jobs in DC proper, MD and Virginia. He got just a few phone calls back but no interviews. He even paid hundreds of dollars to get his resume rewritten by a so called specialist. It seems the advertised jobs are reserved for family and friends.

Every school district in the US needs science teachers.

In the biological sciences, a lot of jobs where you are doing bench work require graduate degrees

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What’s the point of going to college when they can’t get a job?
DS did his degree in microbiology. Hasn’t found a job in his field even though he applied to 100’s of positions.
The same is true with his classmates. There are those who went to grad school. The others are working minimum wage jobs that don’t require any degree.
DS is now attending a trade school to make decent money.

How is this possible? Is he trying to get a job in remote Alaska? There are so many unfilled jobs out there.

No, he has applied to jobs in DC proper, MD and Virginia. He got just a few phone calls back but no interviews. He even paid hundreds of dollars to get his resume rewritten by a so called specialist. It seems the advertised jobs are reserved for family and friends.

So that's not girl's fault, but cronyism.

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Anonymous wrote:We used to teach men that discipline was necessary for a quality life and successful career. Now people complain of it being “anti-male” to discipline boys rightfully for erratic behavior. I do think more boys would benefit from an all male environment, since girls are socialized to be more disciplined and still than men.

Counterpoint, for generations we kept women out of academics when they are far capable both there and in any thing that requires time management and executive function. The guys will experience discipline in their gigs driving for Amazon and Doordash.

As this comment illustrates, many people don't care about boys at all. That's the real problem.

Not really, truth is this is nothing new, kids who can't get it together have always been expendable.

Until we’re talking about your kid, who can’t possibly be expandable, because you’ve done an awesome job as a parent. Or can’t have difficulty finding a partner to start a family because again you’ve proofed their life for any kind of setback.

The point is males seem to have difficulty enrolling in higher education and getting degrees, regardless of what their grandfathers did. I think it’s worth looking on the causes instead of just chucking it to video games and being lazy.

We want people in our society to be successful regardless of gender, not settle some score.

For the umpteenth time…MC males have difficulty enrolling in higher education.

Does anyone on DCUM know a boy from Sidwell or TJ or Langley or Whitman having difficulty enrolling in college and getting a degree?