DUI and Death on Harrison

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Anonymous wrote:The car was Bares’ or his parents, right?

I reported comments here insisting that “any” of the kids could have been driving. But that’s wishful thinking from what, some dumb second cousin or married in member of the drunk drivers family, right?

He chose to get f—-ed up on a night where he drove. He deserves harsh consequences, and for the civil suits to make him and any enablers grow up.

My dad was hit by a teen boy drunk driver on River Road a couple of years ago. We are so lucky he wasn’t hurt. The boy totaled his car, my dad’s car was seriously damaged. He also crashed into and destroyed the front yard fence of a house, which eventually stopped his car. You moms who wildly insist it could happen to anyone are losers. No, it couldn’t. Bare and his fellow drunk drivers made made horrible choices and have to be responsible for those decisions.

You’d post differently and stop squawking about texting - not relevant here- had you any ethics or morals, any understanding that the world is bigger than you. We also have families and children, the people your sh!tt!ly parented kids wind up hurting. Turning on the tears and saying sowwy doesn’t cut it.

I’m really sorry for your experience. And I agree that bad choices caused this event. But every single parent I know worries that despite our best efforts at and serious commitment to parenting, our kid could make a horribly bad decision. It’s not excusable and the horrible price they will pay is likely deserved. But we can have compassion where compassion is warranted. And where it is warranted depends on facts none of us know at this point. Again I am so sorry for your experience.

+1 You can both expect him to be held accountable and punished accordingly and also have compassion for all of the families involved and believe that, sometimes, despite the parents' efforts to raise responsible adults, horrible things can happen due to poor judgement. They don't have to be mutually exclusive.

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Anonymous wrote:The car was Bares’ or his parents, right?

I reported comments here insisting that “any” of the kids could have been driving. But that’s wishful thinking from what, some dumb second cousin or married in member of the drunk drivers family, right?

He chose to get f—-ed up on a night where he drove. He deserves harsh consequences, and for the civil suits to make him and any enablers grow up.

My dad was hit by a teen boy drunk driver on River Road a couple of years ago. We are so lucky he wasn’t hurt. The boy totaled his car, my dad’s car was seriously damaged. He also crashed into and destroyed the front yard fence of a house, which eventually stopped his car. You moms who wildly insist it could happen to anyone are losers. No, it couldn’t. Bare and his fellow drunk drivers made made horrible choices and have to be responsible for those decisions.

You’d post differently and stop squawking about texting - not relevant here- had you any ethics or morals, any understanding that the world is bigger than you. We also have families and children, the people your sh!tt!ly parented kids wind up hurting. Turning on the tears and saying sowwy doesn’t cut it.

I’m really sorry for your experience. And I agree that bad choices caused this event. But every single parent I know worries that despite our best efforts at and serious commitment to parenting, our kid could make a horribly bad decision. It’s not excusable and the horrible price they will pay is likely deserved. But we can have compassion where compassion is warranted. And where it is warranted depends on facts none of us know at this point. Again I am so sorry for your experience.

+1 You can both expect him to be held accountable and punished accordingly and also have compassion for all of the families involved and believe that, sometimes, despite the parents' efforts to raise responsible adults, horrible things can happen due to poor judgement. They don't have to be mutually exclusive.

Exactly.

Although maybe some people can’t handle that level of nuance.

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The young man who passed away was his parents' only child. So very, very sad.

Yes- basically the same age as this case--only a few months separation in age.

So turning 18 actually has legal consequences? Who knew?

Everyone.

Exactly. I don’t get why people were so upset that they treated the minor…as a minor.

That’s how it works.

It may have been the technically correct decision to try him as a minor, but it doesn't take much imagination to understand why people wanted his adult conduct to be met with adult consequence, especially given that he was almost 18.

It wasn’t adult conduct, by definition. Teens can do terrible things before they turn 18, but that doesn’t generally result in their being charged as adults. In this case, the driver is legally an adult, and that has different consequences under the law.

Oh stop with your definitions.I know this case is different from a legal standpoint. I'm just talking about why many people were upset when the other almost-adult had almost no consequences. That's why in my first post I said "technically" correct. We all saw what he did, and this wasn't some little kid just using bad judgment. It wasn't even just drunk driving. It was drunk driving and deciding to speed like a maniac. It was egregious. This was an almost-man taking a stranger's life engaging in reckless conduct that goes beyond just having a drink and getting behind the wheel. That's why it felt outrageous. I'm not trying to win the argument in court - I'm talking about why people were outraged.

What was outrageous was a handful of people expecting the law to be disregarded and for a minor to be treated like an adult because the victim and his parents were from their own social circle. They tried to make it into a basis to unseat county officials who were just doing their jobs and following the law, and failed.

In this case the alleged drunk driver is legally an adult, so it will be handled differently.

We’re never going to agree on this one. Almost 18 year olds are frequently tried as adults under egregious circumstances. This particular juvenile killed a child. The prosecutor stuck to her promise and tried him as a juvenile. Nothing outrageous about the community disagreeing with her decision and expressing a view about how an elected official carries out her duties.

Not in Arlington.
Not without prior record.
Not without the intent to harm others.

Driving drunk is intent. It is knowingly reckless behavior.

He intended to drive. He didn’t intend to hurt anyone.

When you intend to drive impaired, of course you intend to hurt others and yourself.

Are you insane? Are you someone who drinks and drives?