DUI and Death on Harrison

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None of the new reports recited the car make/model. They almost always do in these cases, e.g., silver Toyota Prius going north on Main St, etc. I saw no mention of vehicle type.

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ArlNow first reported he was ejected form the car and the source was scanner traffic. So first responders/police said it.

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Anonymous wrote:None of your business.

He killed someone on a public street. It is very much our business. By definition. This is not a private affair.

Whether or not a teenager is on suicide, watch (as was asked) is none of your business whether or not they committed a crime on a public street.

DP. He's an adult. It's 100000% ok to speculate about adults that kill other people (and endangered many others) due to their selfish, reckless choices.

I'm so effing tired of people suggesting empathy for drunk drivers.

You have no idea what led to him being behind the wheel that night.

Normal people don’t get off on persecuting people without any facts.

A gun was pointed to his head? Please, do share your facts.

The point is we have no facts.

And some people are all ready to lynch the kid.

The only way you believe there are no facts is if you think Arlington police framed the kid. Is that what you're suggesting?

I’m suggesting that you let the police and justice system do their work before you start publicly persecuting this kid and his family.

Go find some other way to get off.

The family hire you. You’re awfully defensive. Not much to know here. Clear he broke the law and someone is dead because of it

Calling him a KID is a misnomer; Bares is a legal adult. 18.

He’s a kid. He was in college. Do you plan to cut off your kids the second they turn 18?

PP and no, in fact I’m of 4DC, one college graduate, two college students and a HS senior. My 4 are young adults. Within our family, yes, they are my kids. All are grown. Legal adults.

Legally, he is an adult! Can get married, vote, join the military, make legal decisions and tried/prosecuted as an adult. But you learned this in 8th grade civics.

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The car was Bares’ or his parents, right?

I reported comments here insisting that “any” of the kids could have been driving. But that’s wishful thinking from what, some dumb second cousin or married in member of the drunk drivers family, right?

He chose to get f—-ed up on a night where he drove. He deserves harsh consequences, and for the civil suits to make him and any enablers grow up.

My dad was hit by a teen boy drunk driver on River Road a couple of years ago. We are so lucky he wasn’t hurt. The boy totaled his car, my dad’s car was seriously damaged. He also crashed into and destroyed the front yard fence of a house, which eventually stopped his car. You moms who wildly insist it could happen to anyone are losers. No, it couldn’t. Bare and his fellow drunk drivers made made horrible choices and have to be responsible for those decisions.

You’d post differently and stop squawking about texting - not relevant here- had you any ethics or morals, any understanding that the world is bigger than you. We also have families and children, the people your sh!tt!ly parented kids wind up hurting. Turning on the tears and saying sowwy doesn’t cut it.

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Anonymous wrote:The car was Bares’ or his parents, right?

I reported comments here insisting that “any” of the kids could have been driving. But that’s wishful thinking from what, some dumb second cousin or married in member of the drunk drivers family, right?

He chose to get f—-ed up on a night where he drove. He deserves harsh consequences, and for the civil suits to make him and any enablers grow up.

My dad was hit by a teen boy drunk driver on River Road a couple of years ago. We are so lucky he wasn’t hurt. The boy totaled his car, my dad’s car was seriously damaged. He also crashed into and destroyed the front yard fence of a house, which eventually stopped his car. You moms who wildly insist it could happen to anyone are losers. No, it couldn’t. Bare and his fellow drunk drivers made made horrible choices and have to be responsible for those decisions.

You’d post differently and stop squawking about texting - not relevant here- had you any ethics or morals, any understanding that the world is bigger than you. We also have families and children, the people your sh!tt!ly parented kids wind up hurting. Turning on the tears and saying sowwy doesn’t cut it.

How old are your kids?

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The young man who passed away was his parents' only child. So very, very sad.

Yes- basically the same age as this case--only a few months separation in age.

So turning 18 actually has legal consequences? Who knew?

Everyone.

Exactly. I don’t get why people were so upset that they treated the minor…as a minor.

That’s how it works.

It may have been the technically correct decision to try him as a minor, but it doesn't take much imagination to understand why people wanted his adult conduct to be met with adult consequence, especially given that he was almost 18.

It wasn’t adult conduct, by definition. Teens can do terrible things before they turn 18, but that doesn’t generally result in their being charged as adults. In this case, the driver is legally an adult, and that has different consequences under the law.

Oh stop with your definitions.I know this case is different from a legal standpoint. I'm just talking about why many people were upset when the other almost-adult had almost no consequences. That's why in my first post I said "technically" correct. We all saw what he did, and this wasn't some little kid just using bad judgment. It wasn't even just drunk driving. It was drunk driving and deciding to speed like a maniac. It was egregious. This was an almost-man taking a stranger's life engaging in reckless conduct that goes beyond just having a drink and getting behind the wheel. That's why it felt outrageous. I'm not trying to win the argument in court - I'm talking about why people were outraged.

What was outrageous was a handful of people expecting the law to be disregarded and for a minor to be treated like an adult because the victim and his parents were from their own social circle. They tried to make it into a basis to unseat county officials who were just doing their jobs and following the law, and failed.

In this case the alleged drunk driver is legally an adult, so it will be handled differently.

We’re never going to agree on this one. Almost 18 year olds are frequently tried as adults under egregious circumstances. This particular juvenile killed a child. The prosecutor stuck to her promise and tried him as a juvenile. Nothing outrageous about the community disagreeing with her decision and expressing a view about how an elected official carries out her duties.

Not in Arlington.
Not without prior record.
Not without the intent to harm others.

Driving drunk is intent. It is knowingly reckless behavior.

He intended to drive. He didn’t intend to hurt anyone.

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The young man who passed away was his parents' only child. So very, very sad.

Yes- basically the same age as this case--only a few months separation in age.

So turning 18 actually has legal consequences? Who knew?

Everyone.

Exactly. I don’t get why people were so upset that they treated the minor…as a minor.

That’s how it works.

It may have been the technically correct decision to try him as a minor, but it doesn't take much imagination to understand why people wanted his adult conduct to be met with adult consequence, especially given that he was almost 18.

It wasn’t adult conduct, by definition. Teens can do terrible things before they turn 18, but that doesn’t generally result in their being charged as adults. In this case, the driver is legally an adult, and that has different consequences under the law.

Oh stop with your definitions.I know this case is different from a legal standpoint. I'm just talking about why many people were upset when the other almost-adult had almost no consequences. That's why in my first post I said "technically" correct. We all saw what he did, and this wasn't some little kid just using bad judgment. It wasn't even just drunk driving. It was drunk driving and deciding to speed like a maniac. It was egregious. This was an almost-man taking a stranger's life engaging in reckless conduct that goes beyond just having a drink and getting behind the wheel. That's why it felt outrageous. I'm not trying to win the argument in court - I'm talking about why people were outraged.

What was outrageous was a handful of people expecting the law to be disregarded and for a minor to be treated like an adult because the victim and his parents were from their own social circle. They tried to make it into a basis to unseat county officials who were just doing their jobs and following the law, and failed.

In this case the alleged drunk driver is legally an adult, so it will be handled differently.

We’re never going to agree on this one. Almost 18 year olds are frequently tried as adults under egregious circumstances. This particular juvenile killed a child. The prosecutor stuck to her promise and tried him as a juvenile. Nothing outrageous about the community disagreeing with her decision and expressing a view about how an elected official carries out her duties.

Not in Arlington.
Not without prior record.
Not without the intent to harm others.

Driving drunk is intent. It is knowingly reckless behavior.

He intended to drive. He didn’t intend to hurt anyone.

Story of every drunk driver. Law doesn’t require that

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Anonymous wrote:There were not enough seat belts for all the passengers. Talk to your kids re not wearing a seat belt and don’t accept or ride or give rides when a passenger wouldn’t have a seat belt. Kid was not ejected from the car. This entire thing is just awful for everyone involved.

Was NOT ejected from the car? I don't understand....is that a typo?

Correct. Not a typo. Not ejected. I don’t want to go into more detail. There are more lessons here than just don’t drive drunk.

God considering they were hostile blood off the street I just can’t even imagine what those kids had to see. Horrific. They will be scarred for life.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/18-year-old-arrested-after-crashing-car-killing-19-year-old/3739971/ so "apparently was ejected" is incorrect?

Don’t believe everything you read in the news.

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Will the parents who supplied the alcohol where they were drinking be charged?

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Anonymous wrote:The car was Bares’ or his parents, right?

I reported comments here insisting that “any” of the kids could have been driving. But that’s wishful thinking from what, some dumb second cousin or married in member of the drunk drivers family, right?

He chose to get f—-ed up on a night where he drove. He deserves harsh consequences, and for the civil suits to make him and any enablers grow up.

My dad was hit by a teen boy drunk driver on River Road a couple of years ago. We are so lucky he wasn’t hurt. The boy totaled his car, my dad’s car was seriously damaged. He also crashed into and destroyed the front yard fence of a house, which eventually stopped his car. You moms who wildly insist it could happen to anyone are losers. No, it couldn’t. Bare and his fellow drunk drivers made made horrible choices and have to be responsible for those decisions.

You’d post differently and stop squawking about texting - not relevant here- had you any ethics or morals, any understanding that the world is bigger than you. We also have families and children, the people your sh!tt!ly parented kids wind up hurting. Turning on the tears and saying sowwy doesn’t cut it.

I’m really sorry for your experience. And I agree that bad choices caused this event. But every single parent I know worries that despite our best efforts at and serious commitment to parenting, our kid could make a horribly bad decision. It’s not excusable and the horrible price they will pay is likely deserved. But we can have compassion where compassion is warranted. And where it is warranted depends on facts none of us know at this point. Again I am so sorry for your experience.

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The young man who passed away was his parents' only child. So very, very sad.

Yes- basically the same age as this case--only a few months separation in age.

So turning 18 actually has legal consequences? Who knew?

Everyone.

Exactly. I don’t get why people were so upset that they treated the minor…as a minor.

That’s how it works.

It may have been the technically correct decision to try him as a minor, but it doesn't take much imagination to understand why people wanted his adult conduct to be met with adult consequence, especially given that he was almost 18.

It wasn’t adult conduct, by definition. Teens can do terrible things before they turn 18, but that doesn’t generally result in their being charged as adults. In this case, the driver is legally an adult, and that has different consequences under the law.

Oh stop with your definitions.I know this case is different from a legal standpoint. I'm just talking about why many people were upset when the other almost-adult had almost no consequences. That's why in my first post I said "technically" correct. We all saw what he did, and this wasn't some little kid just using bad judgment. It wasn't even just drunk driving. It was drunk driving and deciding to speed like a maniac. It was egregious. This was an almost-man taking a stranger's life engaging in reckless conduct that goes beyond just having a drink and getting behind the wheel. That's why it felt outrageous. I'm not trying to win the argument in court - I'm talking about why people were outraged.

What was outrageous was a handful of people expecting the law to be disregarded and for a minor to be treated like an adult because the victim and his parents were from their own social circle. They tried to make it into a basis to unseat county officials who were just doing their jobs and following the law, and failed.

In this case the alleged drunk driver is legally an adult, so it will be handled differently.

We’re never going to agree on this one. Almost 18 year olds are frequently tried as adults under egregious circumstances. This particular juvenile killed a child. The prosecutor stuck to her promise and tried him as a juvenile. Nothing outrageous about the community disagreeing with her decision and expressing a view about how an elected official carries out her duties.

Not in Arlington.
Not without prior record.
Not without the intent to harm others.

Driving drunk is intent. It is knowingly reckless behavior.

He intended to drive. He didn’t intend to hurt anyone.

Story of every drunk driver. Law doesn’t require that

Huh? We were discussing reasons why they might try a minor as an adult.

Minors are rarely tried as adults in Arlington. Esp if they don’t have a prior record or they weren’t intending to harm others.

[Anonymous]

The obituary of NR has been posted.

It’s poignant and includes his senior portrait.

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Anonymous wrote:Will the parents who supplied the alcohol where they were drinking be charged?

They could have gotten it anywhere. Odds are he they have fake ids. They’re in college not HS.

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This. Or they have older friends/siblings. 90% of the time I feel like parents providing alcohol is an urban myth. Kids have been getting their hands on alcohol forever; now it’s even easier with the proliferation of fake ins + internet