Bible verse card at work

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Anonymous wrote:Here is the thing….. By the way, I a public school teacher, you get a religious card in your mailbox BUT there is more. We also, at staff meetings, pray over our food that is given to us at staff meetings. We end with a bible verse. Cards passed around to sign due to birthdays or passings are religious. It’s a lot and I think they should be kept out of schools. We have 60 staff and it’s hard not to feel uncomfortable or the odd one out when everyone holds hands and bows their head but that one teacher doesn’t. Just keep it out of school and keep it moving.

All allowed. Work on your feelings of being uncomfortable in therapy.

Ah, no. Praying and ending with a Bible verse in public school is not allowed. Say grace over your own food if you need to, but no group prayer. Absolutely no need for a Bible verse. Especially since not everyone is comfortable with it.

So, you missed the recent Supreme Court case then? And didn't read the link above?

NP what link? Are you under the impression that the Supreme Court ruled that school administrators are allowed to force everyone to pray?

No, not the official staff meeting part, and no coercion by the boss, and never of students or when students are present. But there has been significant loosening of what is allowed, and the PP's mention of religious cards circulating for birthdays in the lounge, teachers on break praying together over meals -- all allowed.

"The Constitution does not, however, prohibit school employees themselves from engaging in private prayer during the workday where they are not acting in their official capacities and where their prayer does not result in any coercion of students. Before school or during breaks, for instance, teachers may meet with other teachers for prayer or religious study to the same extent that they may engage in other conversation or nonreligious activities. School employees may also engage in private religious expression or brief personal religious observance during such times, subject to the same neutral rules the school applies to other private conduct by its employees." https://www2.ed.gov/policy/gen/guid/religionandschools/prayer_guidance.html

No one said anything different. Students and staff were always allowed to practice their own religion. But no, organized prayer during staff meetings or meals is still not allowed.

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Anonymous wrote:That’s very nice!

No it’s not you idiot keep church crap out of our schools

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Anonymous wrote:This thread proves again that there is no hate like Christian "love".

What’s hateful about putting a card with a verse on it in a mailbox?

Cramming your religion down other people’s throats at their place of work where it’s actually illegal to do that is extremely hateful.

Just because a very sad soul reads a greeting card as "cramming religion down other people's throats" does not make it so.

It sounds like a lovely greeting, wishing teachers a good year. Take a chill pill, PP, or perhaps something stronger. You are beginning to sound unhinged.

I hope you get fired if you ever do this shit at work. Keep your religious shit at home. I want no part of it. You have no right to inflict it on me. Also, it’s against the law to do this at schools so the unhinged ones are the ones breaking the law .

You’re really dumb.

The Supreme Court disagrees with you.

So does the Constitution.

BS keep your crap religious stupidity out of our schools

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Anonymous wrote:This thread proves again that there is no hate like Christian "love".

What’s hateful about putting a card with a verse on it in a mailbox?

Cramming your religion down other people’s throats at their place of work where it’s actually illegal to do that is extremely hateful.

Just because a very sad soul reads a greeting card as "cramming religion down other people's throats" does not make it so.

It sounds like a lovely greeting, wishing teachers a good year. Take a chill pill, PP, or perhaps something stronger. You are beginning to sound unhinged.

I hope you get fired if you ever do this shit at work. Keep your religious shit at home. I want no part of it. You have no right to inflict it on me. Also, it’s against the law to do this at schools so the unhinged ones are the ones breaking the law .

You’re really dumb.

The Supreme Court disagrees with you.

So does the Constitution.

BS keep your crap religious stupidity out of our schools

You don’t like the answer, but there it is again:

"Schools may impose the same reasonable time, place, or manner restrictions on distribution of religious literature as they do on non-school literature generally, but they may not target religious literature for more permissive or more restrictive regulation." https://www2.ed.gov/polic...dance.html

So if a school wants to put a restriction on ALL pamphlets, then the church cannot place things in mailboxes. But if the school allows for these advertisements, then there can’t be particular restrictions. This has been covered multiple times on this thread.

I don’t care for these types of ads, but I understand why they are allowed. Since I am not interested, I will throw it away. I suggest you do the same.

Your hatred of religion concerning. Since you are a teacher, I worry about the way you will treat outwardly religious students in your class. I hope you are able to bottle this vitriol so you don’t display it to your students.

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Anonymous wrote:When OP gets thank you notes from a class on puppy cards they can get livid because cats and ferrets were not represented.

You are an idiot. Keep your weirdo religious views to yourself.

What's weirdo about worshipping cats, ferrets or dogs?

Trump will make that seem benign once they make you memorize the 10 Commandments to advance to 2nd grade.

This goes both ways. Teachers are people, and they have their own agendas. My second grader had to read a book in school about how families are different and some men are attracted to other men.

If you want your child to only hear about your political and religious views, then you need to send them to private school.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t we just love to feel outraged?

It wouldn’t have bothered me at all. I’m not religious. I’m just logical. It’s a local church performing outreach. Fine. A local hotel did that at my school. They sent us all coupons for a night’s stay. Fine. I would have thrown both away and gone on to live my life rage-free. But I’m agreeable like that.

But if you want to get angry because somebody did something harmless, then go for it. I personally don’t think we need to add more rage into our already angry society, but you do you OP.

It’s against the law but other than that I’m so, so, so glad you’re not bothered by this Pollyanna. Your means means nothing to me. Keep church stuff out of school.

Wow, how obnoxious you are. It takes me about .3 seconds to move it from my mailbox to the trash. No proselytizing was done in the classroom. Nobody forced students (or me) to pray. This is such a nonissue to me.

But I deal with real problems every day, so I guess fake problems don’t register. It’s a good thing we have others who can take the little, insignificant stuff and go nuclear about them. I’m sure they are performing some important service. Somehow.

How obnoxious and privileged you are that you never experienced religious persecution. The school is not just for you to dumb moron. As I’ve stated before, it’s against the law so I don’t give a rats ass what upsets you personally. It’s a 100% proselytizing and it has no place in schools. Your feelings and reactions are irrelevant.

Perhaps you are far wiser than me. All I can find online is many references to the fact churches CAN distribute flyers at schools. Can you point out the specific law?

I stand by my initial thought. I’m going to throw out the flyer. I’m also going to throw out most of the flyers with it. I’m too busy doing my job, so I don’t have room to get angry about the little things.

I may not have a lot of room for religion, but someone I work with may. The same way someone I work with may find use in the soccer lesson flyer, the store coupon, etc.

I’m not about limiting people.

Why do you keep repeating how you feel about this. It’s completely irrelevant. It’s against the law. That is the only thing that matters. Churches absolutely can’t enter a school and spew their shit. You are insane. Students can have a prayer group if they organize it themselves but that’s an entirely different thing.

DP: Whether the flyer is legal or not depends on a few things. Does the school allow other outside mail to be put in the mail boxes, like advertisements from private companies? Invitations to non-school-related events?

"Schools may impose the same reasonable time, place, or manner restrictions on distribution of religious literature as they do on non-school literature generally, but they may not target religious literature for more permissive or more restrictive regulation." https://www2.ed.gov/policy/gen/guid/religionandschools/prayer_guidance.html

Thank you!
All those just spouting "IT'S AGAINST THE LAW!" seem really dumb.
It's not against the law to mail things to your local public school.
If the local church addressed dozens of envelopes to every teacher at the school, put them in the mail, and then the school secretary got the mail and distributed the envelopes appropriately, no one did anything wrong. You don't get to dictate what mail is delivered to you.

Likewise, if your school says community organizations can distribute info to teachers, and the secretary put these envelopes in all the mailboxes right along side the coupon for the local pizza place and the local store advertising its school supplies, then no one did anything wrong.

Now... if your school doesn't let anything but official school business into the teachers mailboxes, but the secretary goes to that church and offered to put them into mailboxes since she has easy access, that's a totally different story. Churches don't get to distribute material if no one else is allowed to do so.

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Anonymous wrote:Every English speaking person in the world should be familiar with at least some of the King James Bible. It is as central to our language and culture as Shakespeare's works.

Cool story bro. Plenty of churches that teach it for all who are interested.

Lol. Hysterical

Reading the King James Bible doesn't turn you into an evangelical. Reading the Communist Manifesto does not turn you into a communist. Reading Naked Lunch does not turn you into a junkie. What are you afraid of? By the way: kids are a lot smarter that you suggest. They see through BS very quickly.

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Anonymous wrote:Every English speaking person in the world should be familiar with at least some of the King James Bible. It is as central to our language and culture as Shakespeare's works.

Cool story bro. Plenty of churches that teach it for all who are interested.

Lol. Hysterical

Reading the King James Bible doesn't turn you into an evangelical. Reading the Communist Manifesto does not turn you into a communist. Reading Naked Lunch does not turn you into a junkie. What are you afraid of? By the way: kids are a lot smarter that you suggest. They see through BS very quickly.

Plenty of classes reference it in a historical or literary context. That is the only way it should be referenced in public schools. Sounds like we agree?

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Hate religion? No, just want it represented in its proper place, not in a public school setting in my mailbox.

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I would complain and report OP. No religion has a place at work.

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Anonymous wrote:Let me tell you about the crap from Planned Parenthood that shows up in my mailbox.

You must of connected with them at some point. I get nothing and I’m pro choice.

It sounds like someone signed them up to receive this stuff. People like donating in honor of people who fight against groups like P.P. or they will put you on the mailing list.

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One of the administrators gave the ok for them putting a card in the teacher's mailboxes, not knowing they would do this. They must have framed it as something different.
He sent an apology to the entire staff that night, in addition to myself. So, he heard from more than just me.

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Can’t believe people are reacting to this as some sort of crime. Get a grip, it’s only a card with words.

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Anonymous wrote:One of the administrators gave the ok for them putting a card in the teacher's mailboxes, not knowing they would do this. They must have framed it as something different.
He sent an apology to the entire staff that night, in addition to myself. So, he heard from more than just me.

That’s the correct way to handle this. Sure it might be technically legal, but it’s just not wise or respectful. from my own experience, it is not as innocuous when you are of a religious minority and often get reminded of that. I don’t need to feel defensive of my beliefs at work.

OP, I wonder if your school gets some support from that church—my Title I school has been “adopted” by a local church that sometimes gathers donations for students. I could see them sending scripture cards to teachers.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t we just love to feel outraged?

It wouldn’t have bothered me at all. I’m not religious. I’m just logical. It’s a local church performing outreach. Fine. A local hotel did that at my school. They sent us all coupons for a night’s stay. Fine. I would have thrown both away and gone on to live my life rage-free. But I’m agreeable like that.

But if you want to get angry because somebody did something harmless, then go for it. I personally don’t think we need to add more rage into our already angry society, but you do you OP.

It’s against the law but other than that I’m so, so, so glad you’re not bothered by this Pollyanna. Your means means nothing to me. Keep church stuff out of school.

Wow, how obnoxious you are. It takes me about .3 seconds to move it from my mailbox to the trash. No proselytizing was done in the classroom. Nobody forced students (or me) to pray. This is such a nonissue to me.

But I deal with real problems every day, so I guess fake problems don’t register. It’s a good thing we have others who can take the little, insignificant stuff and go nuclear about them. I’m sure they are performing some important service. Somehow.

How obnoxious and privileged you are that you never experienced religious persecution. The school is not just for you to dumb moron. As I’ve stated before, it’s against the law so I don’t give a rats ass what upsets you personally. It’s a 100% proselytizing and it has no place in schools. Your feelings and reactions are irrelevant.

Perhaps you are far wiser than me. All I can find online is many references to the fact churches CAN distribute flyers at schools. Can you point out the specific law?

I stand by my initial thought. I’m going to throw out the flyer. I’m also going to throw out most of the flyers with it. I’m too busy doing my job, so I don’t have room to get angry about the little things.

I may not have a lot of room for religion, but someone I work with may. The same way someone I work with may find use in the soccer lesson flyer, the store coupon, etc.

I’m not about limiting people.

Why do you keep repeating how you feel about this. It’s completely irrelevant. It’s against the law. That is the only thing that matters. Churches absolutely can’t enter a school and spew their shit. You are insane. Students can have a prayer group if they organize it themselves but that’s an entirely different thing.

DP: Whether the flyer is legal or not depends on a few things. Does the school allow other outside mail to be put in the mail boxes, like advertisements from private companies? Invitations to non-school-related events?

"Schools may impose the same reasonable time, place, or manner restrictions on distribution of religious literature as they do on non-school literature generally, but they may not target religious literature for more permissive or more restrictive regulation." https://www2.ed.gov/policy/gen/guid/religionandschools/prayer_guidance.html

Thank you!
All those just spouting "IT'S AGAINST THE LAW!" seem really dumb.
It's not against the law to mail things to your local public school.
If the local church addressed dozens of envelopes to every teacher at the school, put them in the mail, and then the school secretary got the mail and distributed the envelopes appropriately, no one did anything wrong. You don't get to dictate what mail is delivered to you.

Likewise, if your school says community organizations can distribute info to teachers, and the secretary put these envelopes in all the mailboxes right along side the coupon for the local pizza place and the local store advertising its school supplies, then no one did anything wrong.

Now... if your school doesn't let anything but official school business into the teachers mailboxes, but the secretary goes to that church and offered to put them into mailboxes since she has easy access, that's a totally different story. Churches don't get to distribute material if no one else is allowed to do so.

You responded to a quote explaining that it's illegal, but saying it's not illegal.