Shame on Arlington County HS Volleyball Coaches

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Anonymous wrote:For putting multiple 8th graders on Arlington County high school JV teams (not even freshman teams!) and bumping hardworking sophomores/juniors who now can’t play for their *actual* school.

13-year-olds shouldn’t be on a high school JV team when there are only 12 spots.

And shame on the coaches for enabling this.

Is this Yorktown?

Reports are that this happened this week. Several sophomores/juniors cut from JV and replaced by 8th and 9th graders. 9th, okay I get it. But 8th? Put them on the freshman team.

There is a group of 8th and 9th grade girls that are very good at VB and soccer. Many of these girls are also on that really good flag football team. Watch out for this to happen in soccer in the spring as well.

No dog in this fight, but this really should not be allowed - 8th graders playing on JV. I understand 9th graders playing for their home school at any level or 8th graders potentially playing on the Freshman team, but my heart goes out to the Sophomore and Junior girls who were cut and replaced by 13-year-olds. Especially when volleyball teams are small to begin with.

The Arlington Coaches should know better and do better.

Really have no dog in this fight, but I think that the way coaches think of it is that jv is for 8-10 and varsity is juniors and seniors. So if you aren’t good enough to make varsity your junior year, you should be cut. That’s how it was explained to my daughter when she did crew as an eighth grader (a “no cut” sport, unless you are a junior/senior and don’t qualify for varsity).

Then why are there always 9/10th graders on Varsity? They coaches do whatever it takes to win, on period.

Seriously? Those 9th and 10th gradets playing on varsity are good enough and can handle it. That's why.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What does DCUM think about 8th graders taking spots from 9th graders on the freshman Field Hockey team. Lots of 9th graders were cut this year.

I don't think there should be any 8th graders added on high school teams that cut until after all try outs. If there's still not a full team then, add them in.

This. Most sensible response on here. There was a time when freshman weren’t expected to come into HS with years of experience in a sport. The sports should only be available to those enrolled at the HS unless a roster cannot be filled. Another poster had a great point that some of these 8th graders will not even return to the HS for 9th.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For putting multiple 8th graders on Arlington County high school JV teams (not even freshman teams!) and bumping hardworking sophomores/juniors who now can’t play for their *actual* school.

13-year-olds shouldn’t be on a high school JV team when there are only 12 spots.

And shame on the coaches for enabling this.

Is this Yorktown?

Reports are that this happened this week. Several sophomores/juniors cut from JV and replaced by 8th and 9th graders. 9th, okay I get it. But 8th? Put them on the freshman team.

There is a group of 8th and 9th grade girls that are very good at VB and soccer. Many of these girls are also on that really good flag football team. Watch out for this to happen in soccer in the spring as well.

No dog in this fight, but this really should not be allowed - 8th graders playing on JV. I understand 9th graders playing for their home school at any level or 8th graders potentially playing on the Freshman team, but my heart goes out to the Sophomore and Junior girls who were cut and replaced by 13-year-olds. Especially when volleyball teams are small to begin with.

The Arlington Coaches should know better and do better.

Really have no dog in this fight, but I think that the way coaches think of it is that jv is for 8-10 and varsity is juniors and seniors. So if you aren’t good enough to make varsity your junior year, you should be cut. That’s how it was explained to my daughter when she did crew as an eighth grader (a “no cut” sport, unless you are a junior/senior and don’t qualify for varsity).

Then why are there always 9/10th graders on Varsity? They coaches do whatever it takes to win, on period.

Seriously? Those 9th and 10th gradets playing on varsity are good enough and can handle it. That's why.

Guess it went over your head.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We know for a fact that 8th graders made the YHS and WL teams and bumped actual YHS and WL students. It remains to be seen if they actually enroll at the school. And these 8th graders didn’t stand out as superstars during tryouts either. So inquiries about the coaching and club bias seem to be valid. Lame and certainly doesn’t help team morale or loyalty when those 8th graders can play club and most of the Fall clubs have many advanced opportunities for them. Whereas there are nearly none for HS students who don’t play for their teams. Agree that the coaches need to do better. There was little to no loyalty shown to returning HS players who dedicated their time and energy to the teams in previous years and to their school. And who maybe don’t have the resources to afford or play for club. It’s very sad at the HS level. Club I get it. But HS where the pride is to play for one’s school…. Very misguided and hurtful and ignorant of the coaches.

Lots to unpack except the rules allow for 8th graders to play on JV. Don't like the rules, work with APS to change the rules or get you kid better.

While I disagree with the rule, APS cannot "change" the rule. It is a VHSL rule.

FCPS HS don't seem to do this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What does DCUM think about 8th graders taking spots from 9th graders on the freshman Field Hockey team. Lots of 9th graders were cut this year.

I don't think there should be any 8th graders added on high school teams that cut until after all try outs. If there's still not a full team then, add them in.

This. Most sensible response on here. There was a time when freshman weren’t expected to come into HS with years of experience in a sport. The sports should only be available to those enrolled at the HS unless a roster cannot be filled. Another poster had a great point that some of these 8th graders will not even return to the HS for 9th.

LOL.. Please go ahead and lobby VHSL to change the rule then.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:We know for a fact that 8th graders made the YHS and WL teams and bumped actual YHS and WL students. It remains to be seen if they actually enroll at the school. And these 8th graders didn’t stand out as superstars during tryouts either. So inquiries about the coaching and club bias seem to be valid. Lame and certainly doesn’t help team morale or loyalty when those 8th graders can play club and most of the Fall clubs have many advanced opportunities for them. Whereas there are nearly none for HS students who don’t play for their teams. Agree that the coaches need to do better. There was little to no loyalty shown to returning HS players who dedicated their time and energy to the teams in previous years and to their school. And who maybe don’t have the resources to afford or play for club. It’s very sad at the HS level. Club I get it. But HS where the pride is to play for one’s school…. Very misguided and hurtful and ignorant of the coaches.

Lots to unpack except the rules allow for 8th graders to play on JV. Don't like the rules, work with APS to change the rules or get you kid better.

While I disagree with the rule, APS cannot "change" the rule. It is a VHSL rule.

FCPS HS don't seem to do this.

Yes, it can be done in FCPS. An 8th grader can actually participate in a HS varsity sport if he/she is qualified, and that sport does not exist at the MS where he/she attends. I asked about this when my DS was an 8th grader at Longfellow MS and was informed by the HS AD that it was allowed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We know for a fact that 8th graders made the YHS and WL teams and bumped actual YHS and WL students. It remains to be seen if they actually enroll at the school. And these 8th graders didn’t stand out as superstars during tryouts either. So inquiries about the coaching and club bias seem to be valid. Lame and certainly doesn’t help team morale or loyalty when those 8th graders can play club and most of the Fall clubs have many advanced opportunities for them. Whereas there are nearly none for HS students who don’t play for their teams. Agree that the coaches need to do better. There was little to no loyalty shown to returning HS players who dedicated their time and energy to the teams in previous years and to their school. And who maybe don’t have the resources to afford or play for club. It’s very sad at the HS level. Club I get it. But HS where the pride is to play for one’s school…. Very misguided and hurtful and ignorant of the coaches.

Lots to unpack except the rules allow for 8th graders to play on JV. Don't like the rules, work with APS to change the rules or get you kid better.

While I disagree with the rule, APS cannot "change" the rule. It is a VHSL rule.

FCPS HS don't seem to do this.

Yes, it can be done in FCPS. An 8th grader can actually participate in a HS varsity sport if he/she is qualified, and that sport does not exist at the MS where he/she attends. I asked about this when my DS was an 8th grader at Longfellow MS and was informed by the HS AD that it was allowed.

NP here. But do you know of any cases where FCPS has actually allowed it to happen? I'm sure there are 8th grade phenoms who are more talented than current high school students, but if this is happening in FC, I can't imagine it's that widespread a practice, no?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We know for a fact that 8th graders made the YHS and WL teams and bumped actual YHS and WL students. It remains to be seen if they actually enroll at the school. And these 8th graders didn’t stand out as superstars during tryouts either. So inquiries about the coaching and club bias seem to be valid. Lame and certainly doesn’t help team morale or loyalty when those 8th graders can play club and most of the Fall clubs have many advanced opportunities for them. Whereas there are nearly none for HS students who don’t play for their teams. Agree that the coaches need to do better. There was little to no loyalty shown to returning HS players who dedicated their time and energy to the teams in previous years and to their school. And who maybe don’t have the resources to afford or play for club. It’s very sad at the HS level. Club I get it. But HS where the pride is to play for one’s school…. Very misguided and hurtful and ignorant of the coaches.

Lots to unpack except the rules allow for 8th graders to play on JV. Don't like the rules, work with APS to change the rules or get you kid better.

While I disagree with the rule, APS cannot "change" the rule. It is a VHSL rule.

FCPS HS don't seem to do this.

Yes, it can be done in FCPS. An 8th grader can actually participate in a HS varsity sport if he/she is qualified, and that sport does not exist at the MS where he/she attends. I asked about this when my DS was an 8th grader at Longfellow MS and was informed by the HS AD that it was allowed.

I know some people who would try to do this and the parents and their children would be shunned.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We know for a fact that 8th graders made the YHS and WL teams and bumped actual YHS and WL students. It remains to be seen if they actually enroll at the school. And these 8th graders didn’t stand out as superstars during tryouts either. So inquiries about the coaching and club bias seem to be valid. Lame and certainly doesn’t help team morale or loyalty when those 8th graders can play club and most of the Fall clubs have many advanced opportunities for them. Whereas there are nearly none for HS students who don’t play for their teams. Agree that the coaches need to do better. There was little to no loyalty shown to returning HS players who dedicated their time and energy to the teams in previous years and to their school. And who maybe don’t have the resources to afford or play for club. It’s very sad at the HS level. Club I get it. But HS where the pride is to play for one’s school…. Very misguided and hurtful and ignorant of the coaches.

Lots to unpack except the rules allow for 8th graders to play on JV. Don't like the rules, work with APS to change the rules or get you kid better.

While I disagree with the rule, APS cannot "change" the rule. It is a VHSL rule.

FCPS HS don't seem to do this.

Yes, it can be done in FCPS. An 8th grader can actually participate in a HS varsity sport if he/she is qualified, and that sport does not exist at the MS where he/she attends. I asked about this when my DS was an 8th grader at Longfellow MS and was informed by the HS AD that it was allowed.

I know some people who would try to do this and the parents and their children would be shunned.

shunned because?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For putting multiple 8th graders on Arlington County high school JV teams (not even freshman teams!) and bumping hardworking sophomores/juniors who now can’t play for their *actual* school.

13-year-olds shouldn’t be on a high school JV team when there are only 12 spots.

And shame on the coaches for enabling this.

Is this Yorktown?

Reports are that this happened this week. Several sophomores/juniors cut from JV and replaced by 8th and 9th graders. 9th, okay I get it. But 8th? Put them on the freshman team.

There is a group of 8th and 9th grade girls that are very good at VB and soccer. Many of these girls are also on that really good flag football team. Watch out for this to happen in soccer in the spring as well.

Have you seen this thread. If you were being sarcastic then maybe post /s...otherwise, looking over this entire thread someone thinking 9th or 10th graders couldn't play varisty isn't that big of a stretch.

No dog in this fight, but this really should not be allowed - 8th graders playing on JV. I understand 9th graders playing for their home school at any level or 8th graders potentially playing on the Freshman team, but my heart goes out to the Sophomore and Junior girls who were cut and replaced by 13-year-olds. Especially when volleyball teams are small to begin with.

The Arlington Coaches should know better and do better.

Really have no dog in this fight, but I think that the way coaches think of it is that jv is for 8-10 and varsity is juniors and seniors. So if you aren’t good enough to make varsity your junior year, you should be cut. That’s how it was explained to my daughter when she did crew as an eighth grader (a “no cut” sport, unless you are a junior/senior and don’t qualify for varsity).

Then why are there always 9/10th graders on Varsity? They coaches do whatever it takes to win, on period.

Seriously? Those 9th and 10th gradets playing on varsity are good enough and can handle it. That's why.

Guess it went over your head.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For putting multiple 8th graders on Arlington County high school JV teams (not even freshman teams!) and bumping hardworking sophomores/juniors who now can’t play for their *actual* school.

13-year-olds shouldn’t be on a high school JV team when there are only 12 spots.

And shame on the coaches for enabling this.

Is this Yorktown?

Reports are that this happened this week. Several sophomores/juniors cut from JV and replaced by 8th and 9th graders. 9th, okay I get it. But 8th? Put them on the freshman team.

There is a group of 8th and 9th grade girls that are very good at VB and soccer. Many of these girls are also on that really good flag football team. Watch out for this to happen in soccer in the spring as well.

Have you seen this thread. If you were being sarcastic then maybe post /s...otherwise, looking over this entire thread someone thinking 9th or 10th graders couldn't play varisty isn't that big of a stretch.

No dog in this fight, but this really should not be allowed - 8th graders playing on JV. I understand 9th graders playing for their home school at any level or 8th graders potentially playing on the Freshman team, but my heart goes out to the Sophomore and Junior girls who were cut and replaced by 13-year-olds. Especially when volleyball teams are small to begin with.

The Arlington Coaches should know better and do better.

Really have no dog in this fight, but I think that the way coaches think of it is that jv is for 8-10 and varsity is juniors and seniors. So if you aren’t good enough to make varsity your junior year, you should be cut. That’s how it was explained to my daughter when she did crew as an eighth grader (a “no cut” sport, unless you are a junior/senior and don’t qualify for varsity).

Then why are there always 9/10th graders on Varsity? They coaches do whatever it takes to win, on period.

Seriously? Those 9th and 10th gradets playing on varsity are good enough and can handle it. That's why.

Guess it went over your head.

Have you seen this thread. If you were being sarcastic then maybe post /s...otherwise, looking over this entire thread someone thinking 9th or 10th graders couldn't play varisty isn't that big of a stretch.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We know for a fact that 8th graders made the YHS and WL teams and bumped actual YHS and WL students. It remains to be seen if they actually enroll at the school. And these 8th graders didn’t stand out as superstars during tryouts either. So inquiries about the coaching and club bias seem to be valid. Lame and certainly doesn’t help team morale or loyalty when those 8th graders can play club and most of the Fall clubs have many advanced opportunities for them. Whereas there are nearly none for HS students who don’t play for their teams. Agree that the coaches need to do better. There was little to no loyalty shown to returning HS players who dedicated their time and energy to the teams in previous years and to their school. And who maybe don’t have the resources to afford or play for club. It’s very sad at the HS level. Club I get it. But HS where the pride is to play for one’s school…. Very misguided and hurtful and ignorant of the coaches.

Lots to unpack except the rules allow for 8th graders to play on JV. Don't like the rules, work with APS to change the rules or get you kid better.

While I disagree with the rule, APS cannot "change" the rule. It is a VHSL rule.

FCPS HS don't seem to do this.

Yes, it can be done in FCPS. An 8th grader can actually participate in a HS varsity sport if he/she is qualified, and that sport does not exist at the MS where he/she attends. I asked about this when my DS was an 8th grader at Longfellow MS and was informed by the HS AD that it was allowed.

NP here. But do you know of any cases where FCPS has actually allowed it to happen? I'm sure there are 8th grade phenoms who are more talented than current high school students, but if this is happening in FC, I can't imagine it's that widespread a practice, no?

Even though it’s a VHSL rule and not school specific, I never saw it happen at our kids large secondary school. Even the truly elite kids didn’t play on the HS teams until they were freshmen and they always made Varsity from the start. Our school was/is pretty competitive in most sports, too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We know for a fact that 8th graders made the YHS and WL teams and bumped actual YHS and WL students. It remains to be seen if they actually enroll at the school. And these 8th graders didn’t stand out as superstars during tryouts either. So inquiries about the coaching and club bias seem to be valid. Lame and certainly doesn’t help team morale or loyalty when those 8th graders can play club and most of the Fall clubs have many advanced opportunities for them. Whereas there are nearly none for HS students who don’t play for their teams. Agree that the coaches need to do better. There was little to no loyalty shown to returning HS players who dedicated their time and energy to the teams in previous years and to their school. And who maybe don’t have the resources to afford or play for club. It’s very sad at the HS level. Club I get it. But HS where the pride is to play for one’s school…. Very misguided and hurtful and ignorant of the coaches.

Lots to unpack except the rules allow for 8th graders to play on JV. Don't like the rules, work with APS to change the rules or get you kid better.

While I disagree with the rule, APS cannot "change" the rule. It is a VHSL rule.

FCPS HS don't seem to do this.

Yes, it can be done in FCPS. An 8th grader can actually participate in a HS varsity sport if he/she is qualified, and that sport does not exist at the MS where he/she attends. I asked about this when my DS was an 8th grader at Longfellow MS and was informed by the HS AD that it was allowed.

I know some people who would try to do this and the parents and their children would be shunned.

shunned because?

Because they aren’t part of the community. Having 8th graders on a HS team ruins the experience for other team members.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For putting multiple 8th graders on Arlington County high school JV teams (not even freshman teams!) and bumping hardworking sophomores/juniors who now can’t play for their *actual* school.

13-year-olds shouldn’t be on a high school JV team when there are only 12 spots.

And shame on the coaches for enabling this.

Is this Yorktown?

Reports are that this happened this week. Several sophomores/juniors cut from JV and replaced by 8th and 9th graders. 9th, okay I get it. But 8th? Put them on the freshman team.

There is a group of 8th and 9th grade girls that are very good at VB and soccer. Many of these girls are also on that really good flag football team. Watch out for this to happen in soccer in the spring as well.

Have you seen this thread. If you were being sarcastic then maybe post /s...otherwise, looking over this entire thread someone thinking 9th or 10th graders couldn't play varisty isn't that big of a stretch.

No dog in this fight, but this really should not be allowed - 8th graders playing on JV. I understand 9th graders playing for their home school at any level or 8th graders potentially playing on the Freshman team, but my heart goes out to the Sophomore and Junior girls who were cut and replaced by 13-year-olds. Especially when volleyball teams are small to begin with.

The Arlington Coaches should know better and do better.

Really have no dog in this fight, but I think that the way coaches think of it is that jv is for 8-10 and varsity is juniors and seniors. So if you aren’t good enough to make varsity your junior year, you should be cut. That’s how it was explained to my daughter when she did crew as an eighth grader (a “no cut” sport, unless you are a junior/senior and don’t qualify for varsity).

Then why are there always 9/10th graders on Varsity? They coaches do whatever it takes to win, on period.

Seriously? Those 9th and 10th gradets playing on varsity are good enough and can handle it. That's why.

Guess it went over your head.

Have you seen this thread. If you were being sarcastic then maybe post /s...otherwise, looking over this entire thread someone thinking 9th or 10th graders couldn't play varisty isn't that big of a stretch.

The PP said “ but I think that the way coaches think of it is that jv is for 8-10 and varsity is juniors and seniors.”.
I disagreed and said that doesn’t make sense because theres almost always ninth and 10th graders that can make varsity. The coaches don’t look at it that way at all – they do whatever they can to make a winning team regardless upgrade.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For putting multiple 8th graders on Arlington County high school JV teams (not even freshman teams!) and bumping hardworking sophomores/juniors who now can’t play for their *actual* school.

13-year-olds shouldn’t be on a high school JV team when there are only 12 spots.

And shame on the coaches for enabling this.

Is this Yorktown?

Reports are that this happened this week. Several sophomores/juniors cut from JV and replaced by 8th and 9th graders. 9th, okay I get it. But 8th? Put them on the freshman team.

There is a group of 8th and 9th grade girls that are very good at VB and soccer. Many of these girls are also on that really good flag football team. Watch out for this to happen in soccer in the spring as well.

No dog in this fight, but this really should not be allowed - 8th graders playing on JV. I understand 9th graders playing for their home school at any level or 8th graders potentially playing on the Freshman team, but my heart goes out to the Sophomore and Junior girls who were cut and replaced by 13-year-olds. Especially when volleyball teams are small to begin with.

The Arlington Coaches should know better and do better.

Really have no dog in this fight, but I think that the way coaches think of it is that jv is for 8-10 and varsity is juniors and seniors. So if you aren’t good enough to make varsity your junior year, you should be cut. That’s how it was explained to my daughter when she did crew as an eighth grader (a “no cut” sport, unless you are a junior/senior and don’t qualify for varsity).

Then why are there always 9/10th graders on Varsity? They coaches do whatever it takes to win, on period.

Seriously? Those 9th and 10th gradets playing on varsity are good enough and can handle it. That's why.

They weren’t talking about the kids ability, they are talking about the coaching decision/perspective.