My DC's Graduation Location was Just Switched to Accommodate the Encampments on Campus...I'm Angry!!

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Anonymous wrote:It is hard to say how effective the college protests have been. Time will tell. I would argue that they have been effective in starting a conversation about Israel and Palestine and forcing Americans to reckon with the fact that there are at least two perspectives to the Israel-Palestine situation. Twenty years ago no one ever talked about the plight of the Palestinians. Now it comes up all the time.
And more people are questioning our country’s blind loyalty and support of Israel.

Social media like TikTok that shows the horrors of what is going on in Palestine has been effective at displaying what is going on in the conflict.

A gross encampment of people who mostly aren’t even students, backed by Billionaire donors, and interfering with college campus activities is doing nothing to garner sympathy for the Palestinian people. The only people who think these protests are a good thing are people who would have been against Israel no matter what.

These are not grassroots do gooder protestors. It’s a business venture.

And you are pro Israel no matter what atrocities that government commits. We know.

This is why no one can take people like you seriously. I’m not pro-Israel at all. My sympathies lie with the Palestinian people.

But these protestors are funded by people with big wallets and their own interests. Most of them are agitators along for the ride, not legit college kids on campus. Sorry you are so easily duped.

Who care who’s funding them or if they’re legit college students. The force behind the message doesn’t matter. College campus’ are a great venue for getting their point across.
This conflict is going to negatively affect this generation of Jews for many years to come. Don’t you see that Israel will win the battle and loose the war? The WORLD is turning against them. Listen.

Interesting take. My liberal-leaning church is 100% behind Israel. We find Hamas’ tactics and these ridiculous protests to be complete turnoffs. Perhaps the Palestinians can release their kidnapped prisoners and manage to stop raping innocent women before demanding that Israel stop trying to locate victims? I’m so sorry that Swarthmore families have to suffer because of these ignorant and ineffective protesters.

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Anonymous wrote:It is hard to say how effective the college protests have been. Time will tell. I would argue that they have been effective in starting a conversation about Israel and Palestine and forcing Americans to reckon with the fact that there are at least two perspectives to the Israel-Palestine situation. Twenty years ago no one ever talked about the plight of the Palestinians. Now it comes up all the time.
And more people are questioning our country’s blind loyalty and support of Israel.

Social media like TikTok that shows the horrors of what is going on in Palestine has been effective at displaying what is going on in the conflict.

A gross encampment of people who mostly aren’t even students, backed by Billionaire donors, and interfering with college campus activities is doing nothing to garner sympathy for the Palestinian people. The only people who think these protests are a good thing are people who would have been against Israel no matter what.

These are not grassroots do gooder protestors. It’s a business venture.

And you are pro Israel no matter what atrocities that government commits. We know.

This is why no one can take people like you seriously. I’m not pro-Israel at all. My sympathies lie with the Palestinian people.

But these protestors are funded by people with big wallets and their own interests. Most of them are agitators along for the ride, not legit college kids on campus. Sorry you are so easily duped.

Who care who’s funding them or if they’re legit college students. The force behind the message doesn’t matter. College campus’ are a great venue for getting their point across.
This conflict is going to negatively affect this generation of Jews for many years to come. Don’t you see that Israel will win the battle and loose the war? The WORLD is turning against them. Listen.

Who cares who is funding them? Are you really that naive, stupid and shortsighted?

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Anonymous wrote:It is hard to say how effective the college protests have been. Time will tell. I would argue that they have been effective in starting a conversation about Israel and Palestine and forcing Americans to reckon with the fact that there are at least two perspectives to the Israel-Palestine situation. Twenty years ago no one ever talked about the plight of the Palestinians. Now it comes up all the time.
And more people are questioning our country’s blind loyalty and support of Israel.

Social media like TikTok that shows the horrors of what is going on in Palestine has been effective at displaying what is going on in the conflict.

A gross encampment of people who mostly aren’t even students, backed by Billionaire donors, and interfering with college campus activities is doing nothing to garner sympathy for the Palestinian people. The only people who think these protests are a good thing are people who would have been against Israel no matter what.

These are not grassroots do gooder protestors. It’s a business venture.

And you are pro Israel no matter what atrocities that government commits. We know.

This is why no one can take people like you seriously. I’m not pro-Israel at all. My sympathies lie with the Palestinian people.

But these protestors are funded by people with big wallets and their own interests. Most of them are agitators along for the ride, not legit college kids on campus. Sorry you are so easily duped.

Who care who’s funding them or if they’re legit college students. The force behind the message doesn’t matter. College campus’ are a great venue for getting their point across.
This conflict is going to negatively affect this generation of Jews for many years to come. Don’t you see that Israel will win the battle and loose the war? The WORLD is turning against them. Listen.

Who cares who is funding them? Are you really that naive, stupid and shortsighted?

The funding accusation is a red herring. The counter protesters are being funneled money from pro-Israel groups. Several Jewish billionaires put strong pressure on the NYC mayor and the Columbia president to arrest the protesters. They offered to help support the mayor’s re-election campaign. What is the point of focusing on the funding of just the protesters? Why such a one sided perspective?

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, that does suck, but so does Gaza not having any universities anymore and having thousands of students killed.

Well, maybe Gazans shouldn't let themselves be ruled by terrorists and openly supporting terrorists and refusing to give up hostages, ya know? They brought it upon themselves, 100%, and they could end this war immediately by surrendering entirely to Israel and handing over the hostages and their leaderships for proper trial and punishment for October 7.

And if a bunch of spoiled progressive college kids want to protest to champion stone age fundamentalist terrorists who slaughtered innocent people and with some of the most brutal anti-gay, anti women regimes in this world, they're just showing the whole world what idiots they are with their daft ideologies. Which is a good thing, FYI.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, that does suck, but so does Gaza not having any universities anymore and having thousands of students killed.

Well, maybe Gazans shouldn't let themselves be ruled by terrorists and openly supporting terrorists and refusing to give up hostages, ya know? They brought it upon themselves, 100%, and they could end this war immediately by surrendering entirely to Israel and handing over the hostages and their leaderships for proper trial and punishment for October 7.

And if a bunch of spoiled progressive college kids want to protest to champion stone age fundamentalist terrorists who slaughtered innocent people and with some of the most brutal anti-gay, anti women regimes in this world, they're just showing the whole world what idiots they are with their daft ideologies. Which is a good thing, FYI.

Right, and maybe the black South Africans shouldn't have allowed themselves to be ruled by a white minority. They brought their suffering upon themselves.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, that does suck, but so does Gaza not having any universities anymore and having thousands of students killed.

Well, maybe Gazans shouldn't let themselves be ruled by terrorists and openly supporting terrorists and refusing to give up hostages, ya know? They brought it upon themselves, 100%, and they could end this war immediately by surrendering entirely to Israel and handing over the hostages and their leaderships for proper trial and punishment for October 7.

And if a bunch of spoiled progressive college kids want to protest to champion stone age fundamentalist terrorists who slaughtered innocent people and with some of the most brutal anti-gay, anti women regimes in this world, they're just showing the whole world what idiots they are with their daft ideologies. Which is a good thing, FYI.

AMEN! These protestors are uninformed morons and have no clue what they're supporting. One would hope that an education would provide them with more good sense but it appears that they skipped the lessons on fascist regimes and military dictators.

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Anonymous wrote:It is hard to say how effective the college protests have been. Time will tell. I would argue that they have been effective in starting a conversation about Israel and Palestine and forcing Americans to reckon with the fact that there are at least two perspectives to the Israel-Palestine situation. Twenty years ago no one ever talked about the plight of the Palestinians. Now it comes up all the time.
And more people are questioning our country’s blind loyalty and support of Israel.

Social media like TikTok that shows the horrors of what is going on in Palestine has been effective at displaying what is going on in the conflict.

A gross encampment of people who mostly aren’t even students, backed by Billionaire donors, and interfering with college campus activities is doing nothing to garner sympathy for the Palestinian people. The only people who think these protests are a good thing are people who would have been against Israel no matter what.

These are not grassroots do gooder protestors. It’s a business venture.

And you are pro Israel no matter what atrocities that government commits. We know.

This is why no one can take people like you seriously. I’m not pro-Israel at all. My sympathies lie with the Palestinian people.

But these protestors are funded by people with big wallets and their own interests. Most of them are agitators along for the ride, not legit college kids on campus. Sorry you are so easily duped.

Who care who’s funding them or if they’re legit college students. The force behind the message doesn’t matter. College campus’ are a great venue for getting their point across.
This conflict is going to negatively affect this generation of Jews for many years to come. Don’t you see that Israel will win the battle and loose the war? The WORLD is turning against them. Listen.

Who cares who is funding them? Are you really that naive, stupid and shortsighted?

The funding accusation is a red herring. The counter protesters are being funneled money from pro-Israel groups. Several Jewish billionaires put strong pressure on the NYC mayor and the Columbia president to arrest the protesters. They offered to help support the mayor’s re-election campaign. What is the point of focusing on the funding of just the protesters? Why such a one sided perspective?

The funding of all of it is shady. There are major interests at play on both sides pulling the strings.

The point is this isn’t some organic protest organized by passionate young people. There are interviews on TikTok where people can’t even articulate what they are protesting about. These types of things draw out people looking to create chaos.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, that does suck, but so does Gaza not having any universities anymore and having thousands of students killed.

Well, maybe Gazans shouldn't let themselves be ruled by terrorists and openly supporting terrorists and refusing to give up hostages, ya know? They brought it upon themselves, 100%, and they could end this war immediately by surrendering entirely to Israel and handing over the hostages and their leaderships for proper trial and punishment for October 7.

And if a bunch of spoiled progressive college kids want to protest to champion stone age fundamentalist terrorists who slaughtered innocent people and with some of the most brutal anti-gay, anti women regimes in this world, they're just showing the whole world what idiots they are with their daft ideologies. Which is a good thing, FYI.

AMEN! These protestors are uninformed morons and have no clue what they're supporting. One would hope that an education would provide them with more good sense but it appears that they skipped the lessons on fascist regimes and military dictators.

It is peculiar. On the surface, it seems really bizarre that so many young feminists, LGBTQ people, and POC clearly support vile, brutally violent, misogynistic, anti-gay, religious fundamentalists like Hamas. But from the protesters perspective, they are supporting an anti-colonialist liberation movement against white oppressors. And schools like Swarthmore validate that perspective.

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This is all so sad to me. I can't understand the antisentim at the schools. Im not even sure how it exists. Im enraged same as those that were picked out for LBGQT. sorry if I messed that up.

Im a moderate R. Live your life and I will live mine. I wish you all the best!

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, that does suck, but so does Gaza not having any universities anymore and having thousands of students killed.

That does suck, but please tell me (I"m not OP) how these encampments are helping the cause.

The same way students helped end the Vietnam war with protests and helped South Africa end apartheid. Citizens of Israel are also protesting with much bigger crowds against Netanyahu. Protests have always been a way to, well, protest against something. Nothing new.

Sure, they're protesting against . . . wait for it . . . their own government. The Swarthmore (and other US college) protestors are protesting against the Israeli government, which cares not at all, or that their university's endowment has investments that relate in some way to Israel. It's complete nonsense.

I'm a liberal, and the fuzzy-headed logic you used annoys me almost as much as the far right wing. You (and the protestors) make us all look bad, and undermine what are valid criticisms of US policy because it's so easy to dismiss you as an ineffective doofus.

Would you have said the same about the protests for divestment in South Africa?
In so far as billions of our tax monies are being used to support the mass slaughter Palestinian children, I support the college protestors. Yes, there are some protestors out there who are stupidly, ignorantly, parading Hamas flags, etc., etc., but unlike you, I can appreciate the efforts of young adults here.
As for the moving of the graduation. I empathize, OP. I graduated from Swarthmore in the mid-90s when we still had graduation in the amphitheater. I think of the families who have flown in to watch their children graduate on what truly is an exceptionally beautiful campus. I'm sorry. It would have been gracious of the protestors to agree not to protest during graduation exercises.

Absolutely.

I guess some people are comfortable admitting that they stand on the wrong side of history. Ironically, you may have been one of the many Americans who agreed with US policies turning Jews away during the Holocaust.

Oh, I see. You equating thinking that the protests are performative and pointless with supporting the things they are protesting against? You are incapable of making that very significant distinction in your mind?

Or perhaps is it you really can't argue with the statement that that the protests are performative and pointless, and so have to divert the discussion?

Protests are not performative and pointless, otherwise hardline regimes like those you find in Iran and China wouldn't crack down on protestors. Any serious student of history understands that protests are powerful for myriad reasons. It's hard to think of significant shifts in modern history that weren't accompanied by protest - civil rights, independence movements, suffrage, Vietnam...

Good lord. No, of course not all protests are performative and pointless. Quite the red herring you have thrown up there. But these protests, which are not disrupting the Israeli government or society, and not even disrupting the US government function are the definition of performative and pointless.

Let's try a little thought experiment - do you think protests and encampments at a French or English university demanding the university divest itself of all investment in the US because of its treatment of African Americans would make one iota of difference? Of course not.

Surely a "serious student of history" such as yourself (snort) can see that.

They are most certainly eroding the support for Israel here within the US during an election year. Think a little harder.

Most people are smart enough to know the protesters, despite their noise, are a pathetic, petulant, manipulated minority participating in their generation’s equivalent to streaking.

If that's what you have to tell yourself to justify your support of genocide then so be it. But most of the world disagrees with you.

You don’t get to change the definition of “genocide” just because you’re a grumpy underachiever.

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Anonymous wrote:Biden will be very affected. He NEEDS the young vote. That is why he tried so hard on the student loan forgiveness. Young liberals will not vote for Trump. But his stance toward Israel means many won’t vote for him either. This is problematic and the kids in the encampments know it. They are getting a lot of press.

Well they are idiots because if Trump gets in office he’s not going to be more supportive of Palestinians than Biden.

Biden is not particularly supportive of Palestinians. Six in one-hand and half-a-dozen in the other when comparing these two fossils on this matter.

You missed my point, which is that they are saying they will not vote for Biden because of this. Which means we will get Trump? That’s not exactly a bright move.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, that does suck, but so does Gaza not having any universities anymore and having thousands of students killed.

Well, maybe Gazans shouldn't let themselves be ruled by terrorists and openly supporting terrorists and refusing to give up hostages, ya know? They brought it upon themselves, 100%, and they could end this war immediately by surrendering entirely to Israel and handing over the hostages and their leaderships for proper trial and punishment for October 7.

And if a bunch of spoiled progressive college kids want to protest to champion stone age fundamentalist terrorists who slaughtered innocent people and with some of the most brutal anti-gay, anti women regimes in this world, they're just showing the whole world what idiots they are with their daft ideologies. Which is a good thing, FYI.

+100

Well done!!

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Anonymous wrote:University of Tennessee tolerated none of it. Arrested any protestors after warnings due to them not having the required permits. One graduate smuggled in a Palestinian flag and was booed off the stage by the 6000 people in attendance. I don’t know why these liberal colleges, who undoubtedly have major endowments from Jewish donors, put up with it.

Can anyone even find the University of Tennessee on a map? And being Jewish does not equal support on what’s happening in Gaza. Blindly following a leader no matter what he does is dangerous. Example, half of Republicans believe Putin is a good guy because their leaders told them so.

Putin has strong support in Russia. Many people support their leaders with blind faith

Blind faith and believing every word out of a leader’s mouth is not supposed to happen in democracies.

I meant to say MAGA Republicans not normal Republicans.

“ The results of the first Vanderbilt Unity Poll, released today, show that 52 percent of MAGA-identifying Republicans believe Russia’s Vladimir Putin is a better president than Joe Biden. ”

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Anonymous wrote:It is hard to say how effective the college protests have been. Time will tell. I would argue that they have been effective in starting a conversation about Israel and Palestine and forcing Americans to reckon with the fact that there are at least two perspectives to the Israel-Palestine situation. Twenty years ago no one ever talked about the plight of the Palestinians. Now it comes up all the time.
And more people are questioning our country’s blind loyalty and support of Israel.

Social media like TikTok that shows the horrors of what is going on in Palestine has been effective at displaying what is going on in the conflict.

A gross encampment of people who mostly aren’t even students, backed by Billionaire donors, and interfering with college campus activities is doing nothing to garner sympathy for the Palestinian people. The only people who think these protests are a good thing are people who would have been against Israel no matter what.

These are not grassroots do gooder protestors. It’s a business venture.

And you are pro Israel no matter what atrocities that government commits. We know.

This is why no one can take people like you seriously. I’m not pro-Israel at all. My sympathies lie with the Palestinian people.

But these protestors are funded by people with big wallets and their own interests. Most of them are agitators along for the ride, not legit college kids on campus. Sorry you are so easily duped.

Who care who’s funding them or if they’re legit college students. The force behind the message doesn’t matter. College campus’ are a great venue for getting their point across.
This conflict is going to negatively affect this generation of Jews for many years to come. Don’t you see that Israel will win the battle and loose the war? The WORLD is turning against them. Listen.

Interesting take. My liberal-leaning church is 100% behind Israel. We find Hamas’ tactics and these ridiculous protests to be complete turnoffs. Perhaps the Palestinians can release their kidnapped prisoners and manage to stop raping innocent women before demanding that Israel stop trying to locate victims? I’m so sorry that Swarthmore families have to suffer because of these ignorant and ineffective protesters.

Most churches don’t believe in killing except the extremist ones. And to compare Hamas, a killing terrorist group with protesters doesn’t even make sense.

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Why are pro-Israeli posters equating Palestinian civilians with Hamas? The last vote in Gaza was in 2005. How did Palestinians bring this upon themselves? Do the math. Palestinian children are not Hamas. Israeli should not be killing thousands of children in their hunt for Hamas. And any decent human being should agree that it is immoral to support the slaughter of kids no matter how badly the adults in charge behave.