My DC's Graduation Location was Just Switched to Accommodate the Encampments on Campus...I'm Angry!!

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, that does suck, but so does Gaza not having any universities anymore and having thousands of students killed.

That does suck, but please tell me (I"m not OP) how these encampments are helping the cause.

The same way students helped end the Vietnam war with protests and helped South Africa end apartheid. Citizens of Israel are also protesting with much bigger crowds against Netanyahu. Protests have always been a way to, well, protest against something. Nothing new.

Sure, they're protesting against . . . wait for it . . . their own government. The Swarthmore (and other US college) protestors are protesting against the Israeli government, which cares not at all, or that their university's endowment has investments that relate in some way to Israel. It's complete nonsense.

I'm a liberal, and the fuzzy-headed logic you used annoys me almost as much as the far right wing. You (and the protestors) make us all look bad, and undermine what are valid criticisms of US policy because it's so easy to dismiss you as an ineffective doofus.

Would you have said the same about the protests for divestment in South Africa?
In so far as billions of our tax monies are being used to support the mass slaughter Palestinian children, I support the college protestors. Yes, there are some protestors out there who are stupidly, ignorantly, parading Hamas flags, etc., etc., but unlike you, I can appreciate the efforts of young adults here.
As for the moving of the graduation. I empathize, OP. I graduated from Swarthmore in the mid-90s when we still had graduation in the amphitheater. I think of the families who have flown in to watch their children graduate on what truly is an exceptionally beautiful campus. I'm sorry. It would have been gracious of the protestors to agree not to protest during graduation exercises.

Absolutely.

I guess some people are comfortable admitting that they stand on the wrong side of history. Ironically, you may have been one of the many Americans who agreed with US policies turning Jews away during the Holocaust.

Oh, I see. You equating thinking that the protests are performative and pointless with supporting the things they are protesting against? You are incapable of making that very significant distinction in your mind?

Or perhaps is it you really can't argue with the statement that that the protests are performative and pointless, and so have to divert the discussion?

Protests are not performative and pointless, otherwise hardline regimes like those you find in Iran and China wouldn't crack down on protestors. Any serious student of history understands that protests are powerful for myriad reasons. It's hard to think of significant shifts in modern history that weren't accompanied by protest - civil rights, independence movements, suffrage, Vietnam...

Good lord. No, of course not all protests are performative and pointless. Quite the red herring you have thrown up there. But these protests, which are not disrupting the Israeli government or society, and not even disrupting the US government function are the definition of performative and pointless.

Let's try a little thought experiment - do you think protests and encampments at a French or English university demanding the university divest itself of all investment in the US because of its treatment of African Americans would make one iota of difference? Of course not.

Surely a "serious student of history" such as yourself (snort) can see that.

They are most certainly eroding the support for Israel here within the US during an election year. Think a little harder.

Most people are smart enough to know the protesters, despite their noise, are a pathetic, petulant, manipulated minority participating in their generation’s equivalent to streaking.

Don't be so sure. I was at an event with a group of young coeds who are not participating in the campus protests, but support the students from afar. They are voting in line with the protestors, but do not want to be doxxed for potential job opportunities. Basically there are a lot of people who silently support the students

And there are FAR more who think these students are complete morons.
DP

Believe what you want to believe. But people watch the news and see what’s going on.

Watching the news, at least the mainstream news, is not the way to see what's actually going on.

It’s much better than blindly supporting Israel, that’s for sure.

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Anonymous wrote:It is hard to say how effective the college protests have been. Time will tell. I would argue that they have been effective in starting a conversation about Israel and Palestine and forcing Americans to reckon with the fact that there are at least two perspectives to the Israel-Palestine situation. Twenty years ago no one ever talked about the plight of the Palestinians. Now it comes up all the time.
And more people are questioning our country’s blind loyalty and support of Israel.

Social media like TikTok that shows the horrors of what is going on in Palestine has been effective at displaying what is going on in the conflict.

A gross encampment of people who mostly aren’t even students, backed by Billionaire donors, and interfering with college campus activities is doing nothing to garner sympathy for the Palestinian people. The only people who think these protests are a good thing are people who would have been against Israel no matter what.

These are not grassroots do gooder protestors. It’s a business venture.

And you are pro Israel no matter what atrocities that government commits. We know.

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Anonymous wrote:It is hard to say how effective the college protests have been. Time will tell. I would argue that they have been effective in starting a conversation about Israel and Palestine and forcing Americans to reckon with the fact that there are at least two perspectives to the Israel-Palestine situation. Twenty years ago no one ever talked about the plight of the Palestinians. Now it comes up all the time.
And more people are questioning our country’s blind loyalty and support of Israel.

Social media like TikTok that shows the horrors of what is going on in Palestine has been effective at displaying what is going on in the conflict.

A gross encampment of people who mostly aren’t even students, backed by Billionaire donors, and interfering with college campus activities is doing nothing to garner sympathy for the Palestinian people. The only people who think these protests are a good thing are people who would have been against Israel no matter what.

These are not grassroots do gooder protestors. It’s a business venture.

And you are pro Israel no matter what atrocities that government commits. We know.

This is why no one can take people like you seriously. I’m not pro-Israel at all. My sympathies lie with the Palestinian people.

But these protestors are funded by people with big wallets and their own interests. Most of them are agitators along for the ride, not legit college kids on campus. Sorry you are so easily duped.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m so sorry that genocide has dampened your celebrations. That sounds hard.

It is not a genocide.

Says you, but I'll bite. Just substitute genocide with mass murder, pogroms, annihilation, elimination, decimation, butchery, slaughter, eradication, anything but genocide right PP

How about substituting it with "war," which is what this is? Hamas declared war against Israel, and Israel is fighting that war. People die in wars.

Israel declared war on Palestine in 1948. You people are fake and disingenuous when you blindly forget that Israel had been arresting, detaining, and "accidentally" murdering Palestinian young men well before October 7. But I get it, October 7 is the imaginary line that you peeps want to begin with and everything before that day does not count. There are two words for this, take your pick: LIAR or DELUSIONAL

So Israel’s existence is a declaration of war against Palestinians? Your anti-semitism is showing.

The typical go-to when someone disagrees with Israel. It's getting old and will soon have very little weight. You know that Palestinians and Arabs are semitic too.

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Anonymous wrote:It is hard to say how effective the college protests have been. Time will tell. I would argue that they have been effective in starting a conversation about Israel and Palestine and forcing Americans to reckon with the fact that there are at least two perspectives to the Israel-Palestine situation. Twenty years ago no one ever talked about the plight of the Palestinians. Now it comes up all the time.
And more people are questioning our country’s blind loyalty and support of Israel.

Social media like TikTok that shows the horrors of what is going on in Palestine has been effective at displaying what is going on in the conflict.

A gross encampment of people who mostly aren’t even students, backed by Billionaire donors, and interfering with college campus activities is doing nothing to garner sympathy for the Palestinian people. The only people who think these protests are a good thing are people who would have been against Israel no matter what.

These are not grassroots do gooder protestors. It’s a business venture.

And you are pro Israel no matter what atrocities that government commits. We know.

This is why no one can take people like you seriously. I’m not pro-Israel at all. My sympathies lie with the Palestinian people.

But these protestors are funded by people with big wallets and their own interests. Most of them are agitators along for the ride, not legit college kids on campus. Sorry you are so easily duped.

Get that tin foil hat before they sell out.

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Anonymous wrote:It is hard to say how effective the college protests have been. Time will tell. I would argue that they have been effective in starting a conversation about Israel and Palestine and forcing Americans to reckon with the fact that there are at least two perspectives to the Israel-Palestine situation. Twenty years ago no one ever talked about the plight of the Palestinians. Now it comes up all the time.
And more people are questioning our country’s blind loyalty and support of Israel.

Social media like TikTok that shows the horrors of what is going on in Palestine has been effective at displaying what is going on in the conflict.

A gross encampment of people who mostly aren’t even students, backed by Billionaire donors, and interfering with college campus activities is doing nothing to garner sympathy for the Palestinian people. The only people who think these protests are a good thing are people who would have been against Israel no matter what.

These are not grassroots do gooder protestors. It’s a business venture.

And you are pro Israel no matter what atrocities that government commits. We know.

This is why no one can take people like you seriously. I’m not pro-Israel at all. My sympathies lie with the Palestinian people.

But these protestors are funded by people with big wallets and their own interests. Most of them are agitators along for the ride, not legit college kids on campus. Sorry you are so easily duped.

+1. Not to mention these “passionate” kids, who are so easily bought off by foreign agitators for a little pizza and a colorful tent.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, that does suck, but so does Gaza not having any universities anymore and having thousands of students killed.

That does suck, but please tell me (I"m not OP) how these encampments are helping the cause.

These encampments are shining a light on the atrocities going on in this conflict.
I am thrilled to see these young people taking a stand for what they feel is right. The anger shows me we are raising a generation that cares about their fellow humans.
No matter where you stand on this issue it’s great to see this passion. It gives me hope for our future.

What you call passion most others call immature tantrums from students who are not smart enough to handle their coursework, so have found a new way to party on daddy’s money.

You are drawing conclusions based on assumptions. Agree or not, it’s passion and it’s refreshing to see.
Lead, follow or get out of the way.

No, I am drawing conclusions based on observed behavior. It’s called critical thinking- the opposite of your sheep like mentality.

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Anonymous wrote:It is hard to say how effective the college protests have been. Time will tell. I would argue that they have been effective in starting a conversation about Israel and Palestine and forcing Americans to reckon with the fact that there are at least two perspectives to the Israel-Palestine situation. Twenty years ago no one ever talked about the plight of the Palestinians. Now it comes up all the time.
And more people are questioning our country’s blind loyalty and support of Israel.

Social media like TikTok that shows the horrors of what is going on in Palestine has been effective at displaying what is going on in the conflict.

A gross encampment of people who mostly aren’t even students, backed by Billionaire donors, and interfering with college campus activities is doing nothing to garner sympathy for the Palestinian people. The only people who think these protests are a good thing are people who would have been against Israel no matter what.

These are not grassroots do gooder protestors. It’s a business venture.

And you are pro Israel no matter what atrocities that government commits. We know.

This is why no one can take people like you seriously. I’m not pro-Israel at all. My sympathies lie with the Palestinian people.

But these protes[b]tors are funded by people with big wallets and their own interests[/b]. Most of them are agitators along for the ride, not legit college kids on campus. Sorry you are so easily duped.

Interesting enough, you thoughts are similar to the late J. Edgar Hoover. He said the same thing about MLK, SNCC and all the students who protested through sit-ins and marches during the 50's and 60's.

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Anonymous wrote:It is hard to say how effective the college protests have been. Time will tell. I would argue that they have been effective in starting a conversation about Israel and Palestine and forcing Americans to reckon with the fact that there are at least two perspectives to the Israel-Palestine situation. Twenty years ago no one ever talked about the plight of the Palestinians. Now it comes up all the time.
And more people are questioning our country’s blind loyalty and support of Israel.

Social media like TikTok that shows the horrors of what is going on in Palestine has been effective at displaying what is going on in the conflict.

A gross encampment of people who mostly aren’t even students, backed by Billionaire donors, and interfering with college campus activities is doing nothing to garner sympathy for the Palestinian people. The only people who think these protests are a good thing are people who would have been against Israel no matter what.

These are not grassroots do gooder protestors. It’s a business venture.

And you are pro Israel no matter what atrocities that government commits. We know.

This is why no one can take people like you seriously. I’m not pro-Israel at all. My sympathies lie with the Palestinian people.

But these protes[b]tors are funded by people with big wallets and their own interests[/b]. Most of them are agitators along for the ride, not legit college kids on campus. Sorry you are so easily duped.

Interesting enough, you thoughts are similar to the late J. Edgar Hoover. He said the same thing about MLK, SNCC and all the students who protested through sit-ins and marches during the 50's and 60's.

Because it’s a spin tactic, of course. Not very effective though.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, that does suck, but so does Gaza not having any universities anymore and having thousands of students killed.

That does suck, but please tell me (I"m not OP) how these encampments are helping the cause.

The same way students helped end the Vietnam war with protests and helped South Africa end apartheid. Citizens of Israel are also protesting with much bigger crowds against Netanyahu. Protests have always been a way to, well, protest against something. Nothing new.

Sure, they're protesting against . . . wait for it . . . their own government. The Swarthmore (and other US college) protestors are protesting against the Israeli government, which cares not at all, or that their university's endowment has investments that relate in some way to Israel. It's complete nonsense.

I'm a liberal, and the fuzzy-headed logic you used annoys me almost as much as the far right wing. You (and the protestors) make us all look bad, and undermine what are valid criticisms of US policy because it's so easy to dismiss you as an ineffective doofus.

Would you have said the same about the protests for divestment in South Africa?
In so far as billions of our tax monies are being used to support the mass slaughter Palestinian children, I support the college protestors. Yes, there are some protestors out there who are stupidly, ignorantly, parading Hamas flags, etc., etc., but unlike you, I can appreciate the efforts of young adults here.
As for the moving of the graduation. I empathize, OP. I graduated from Swarthmore in the mid-90s when we still had graduation in the amphitheater. I think of the families who have flown in to watch their children graduate on what truly is an exceptionally beautiful campus. I'm sorry. It would have been gracious of the protestors to agree not to protest during graduation exercises.

Absolutely.

I guess some people are comfortable admitting that they stand on the wrong side of history. Ironically, you may have been one of the many Americans who agreed with US policies turning Jews away during the Holocaust.

Oh, I see. You equating thinking that the protests are performative and pointless with supporting the things they are protesting against? You are incapable of making that very significant distinction in your mind?

Or perhaps is it you really can't argue with the statement that that the protests are performative and pointless, and so have to divert the discussion?

Protests are not performative and pointless, otherwise hardline regimes like those you find in Iran and China wouldn't crack down on protestors. Any serious student of history understands that protests are powerful for myriad reasons. It's hard to think of significant shifts in modern history that weren't accompanied by protest - civil rights, independence movements, suffrage, Vietnam...

Good lord. No, of course not all protests are performative and pointless. Quite the red herring you have thrown up there. But these protests, which are not disrupting the Israeli government or society, and not even disrupting the US government function are the definition of performative and pointless.

Let's try a little thought experiment - do you think protests and encampments at a French or English university demanding the university divest itself of all investment in the US because of its treatment of African Americans would make one iota of difference? Of course not.

Surely a "serious student of history" such as yourself (snort) can see that.

They are most certainly eroding the support for Israel here within the US during an election year. Think a little harder.

Most people are smart enough to know the protesters, despite their noise, are a pathetic, petulant, manipulated minority participating in their generation’s equivalent to streaking.

Don't be so sure. I was at an event with a group of young coeds who are not participating in the campus protests, but support the students from afar. They are voting in line with the protestors, but do not want to be doxxed for potential job opportunities. Basically there are a lot of people who silently support the students

And there are FAR more who think these students are complete morons.
DP

+1000!

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Anonymous wrote:My DC attends Swarthmore College, and I just got a notification that they have decided to move the graduation off campus 30 minutes away to accommodate the encampment on campus! This angers me because this class has already lost so many traditions because of COVID-19, and now they will lose another because they prefer to allow protests. I just think it is really unfair and they should have taken into consideration that this class has already lost so much due to the pandemic. Plus the school is having to spend money unnecessarily to rent a space large enough for all of the graduates and families. Enough already!

As compared to people getting ethnically cleansed.

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Anonymous wrote:My DC attends Swarthmore College, and I just got a notification that they have decided to move the graduation off campus 30 minutes away to accommodate the encampment on campus! This angers me because this class has already lost so many traditions because of COVID-19, and now they will lose another because they prefer to allow protests. I just think it is really unfair and they should have taken into consideration that this class has already lost so much due to the pandemic. Plus the school is having to spend money unnecessarily to rent a space large enough for all of the graduates and families. Enough already!

As compared to people getting ethnically cleansed.

Moving a college graduation to a new location will save zero Palestinian lives.

But these protestors really have themselves tricked into believing they’re changing the world.

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Anonymous wrote:My DC attends Swarthmore College, and I just got a notification that they have decided to move the graduation off campus 30 minutes away to accommodate the encampment on campus! This angers me because this class has already lost so many traditions because of COVID-19, and now they will lose another because they prefer to allow protests. I just think it is really unfair and they should have taken into consideration that this class has already lost so much due to the pandemic. Plus the school is having to spend money unnecessarily to rent a space large enough for all of the graduates and families. Enough already!

As compared to people getting ethnically cleansed.

About suffering they were never wrong, the old masters.

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Anonymous wrote:My DC attends Swarthmore College, and I just got a notification that they have decided to move the graduation off campus 30 minutes away to accommodate the encampment on campus! This angers me because this class has already lost so many traditions because of COVID-19, and now they will lose another because they prefer to allow protests. I just think it is really unfair and they should have taken into consideration that this class has already lost so much due to the pandemic. Plus the school is having to spend money unnecessarily to rent a space large enough for all of the graduates and families. Enough already!

As compared to people getting ethnically cleansed.

Moving a college graduation to a new location will save zero Palestinian lives.

But these protestors really have themselves tricked into believing they’re changing the world.

Oh you so want that to be true. Vile.

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Anonymous wrote:It is hard to say how effective the college protests have been. Time will tell. I would argue that they have been effective in starting a conversation about Israel and Palestine and forcing Americans to reckon with the fact that there are at least two perspectives to the Israel-Palestine situation. Twenty years ago no one ever talked about the plight of the Palestinians. Now it comes up all the time.
And more people are questioning our country’s blind loyalty and support of Israel.

Social media like TikTok that shows the horrors of what is going on in Palestine has been effective at displaying what is going on in the conflict.

A gross encampment of people who mostly aren’t even students, backed by Billionaire donors, and interfering with college campus activities is doing nothing to garner sympathy for the Palestinian people. The only people who think these protests are a good thing are people who would have been against Israel no matter what.

These are not grassroots do gooder protestors. It’s a business venture.

And you are pro Israel no matter what atrocities that government commits. We know.

This is why no one can take people like you seriously. I’m not pro-Israel at all. My sympathies lie with the Palestinian people.

But these protestors are funded by people with big wallets and their own interests. Most of them are agitators along for the ride, not legit college kids on campus. Sorry you are so easily duped.

Who care who’s funding them or if they’re legit college students. The force behind the message doesn’t matter. College campus’ are a great venue for getting their point across.
This conflict is going to negatively affect this generation of Jews for many years to come. Don’t you see that Israel will win the battle and loose the war? The WORLD is turning against them. Listen.