Herndon high - what’s going on?

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Hasn't stopped for decades; Went to HHS before the boundary changed - I would've ended up at Langley.

When we graduated - Langley average SAT was in the 1200s close to 1300 and Herndon was 1000s. Langley had children of famous people and Herndon had some too.

During graduation - our group were glad that we didn't go to Langley. Our group meaning the part of Herndon that had high GPAs, high SAT scores, etc. Herndon has courtyards, JROTC, a parade, some history, and a bit of diverse culture. You can't measure it on US News.

What people are not getting is that Herndon is kinda split, the kids that compete with Langley hardly see the kids the that don't. Once past 10th (PE) - you see the same set of people and then you walk through the hallways with a lot of strangers. You know them from 9th, 10th or middle school but really you don't hang with them.

Talking about Herndon as one is not quite right; Langley is one, all the kids have the same goals and compete to get there. Herndon has people that want to go to Ivy, State, Vocational, or I wonder what they did after HS. And all of you see is an average. So Langley's average SAT is ... and Herndon is ... When you compare Herndon's Elite to Langley's Elite they are comparable.

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Anonymous wrote:Hasn't stopped for decades; Went to HHS before the boundary changed - I would've ended up at Langley.

When we graduated - Langley average SAT was in the 1200s close to 1300 and Herndon was 1000s. Langley had children of famous people and Herndon had some too.

During graduation - our group were glad that we didn't go to Langley. Our group meaning the part of Herndon that had high GPAs, high SAT scores, etc. Herndon has courtyards, JROTC, a parade, some history, and a bit of diverse culture. You can't measure it on US News.

What people are not getting is that Herndon is kinda split, the kids that compete with Langley hardly see the kids the that don't. Once past 10th (PE) - you see the same set of people and then you walk through the hallways with a lot of strangers. You know them from 9th, 10th or middle school but really you don't hang with them.

Talking about Herndon as one is not quite right; Langley is one, all the kids have the same goals and compete to get there. Herndon has people that want to go to Ivy, State, Vocational, or I wonder what they did after HS. And all of you see is an average. So Langley's average SAT is ... and Herndon is ... When you compare Herndon's Elite to Langley's Elite they are comparable.

I went to a high school with a similar demographic to Herndon at it was just like this. After base level electives you will never see the rougher crowd anymore. The AP students are just like the AP students anywhere else.

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Anonymous wrote:Hasn't stopped for decades; Went to HHS before the boundary changed - I would've ended up at Langley.

When we graduated - Langley average SAT was in the 1200s close to 1300 and Herndon was 1000s. Langley had children of famous people and Herndon had some too.

During graduation - our group were glad that we didn't go to Langley. Our group meaning the part of Herndon that had high GPAs, high SAT scores, etc. Herndon has courtyards, JROTC, a parade, some history, and a bit of diverse culture. You can't measure it on US News.

What people are not getting is that Herndon is kinda split, the kids that compete with Langley hardly see the kids the that don't. Once past 10th (PE) - you see the same set of people and then you walk through the hallways with a lot of strangers. You know them from 9th, 10th or middle school but really you don't hang with them.

Talking about Herndon as one is not quite right; Langley is one, all the kids have the same goals and compete to get there. Herndon has people that want to go to Ivy, State, Vocational, or I wonder what they did after HS. And all of you see is an average. So Langley's average SAT is ... and Herndon is ... When you compare Herndon's Elite to Langley's Elite they are comparable.

Sounds good. Please let the board know they should leave Langley pyramid alone. No reason to mess with a good thing.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone who wants Langley knows not to buy into that subdivision near Herndon because of the risk of redistricting. That’s why the houses are cheaper - that’s the risk you took when you got that deal…

And everyone in Herndon gets cheaper houses because they have a subpar school. That’s also what they signed up for. Not sure why you feel that those other citizens owe you anything.

They don't get cheaper taxes.

I always find it humorous when you make this argument. You know how percentages work, right?

DP. The rates are the same. If you buy more house/property, you shell out more by choice. If you feel overtaxed because the total you pay is too much, buy a smaller house/property. Paying a larger total in taxes doesn’t give you more voting power than anyone else.

It’s disingenuous to say they don’t get cheaper taxes, because, as you admit, they actually do get cheaper taxes.

Nowhere in my post did I say anything about more voting power or complain about my own tax situation. Your post barely touched on what I actually said, and instead you just go on this weird tangent.

It is disingenuous to disregard that everyone pays the same rate. If tax RATES were different per unit area, then you could argue that some people pay more or less.

But maybe you are arguing you are paying more in taxes per square foot than other parts of the county?

I grow weary of your contrived arguments, and still find it humorous when people try to argue that they pay just as much as everyone else because “RATES SAME”.

Sorry I think you're just flat out incorrect here. If one wants to purchase a cheaper condo in a top pyramid, then that option is available and they will pay relatively less taxes. If one wants to buy a $1MM+ McMansion in a low-rank pyramid that is also an option and they will pay relatively more taxes.
But nobody is paying more taxes because of their zip code and pyramid. They're paying it due to choice of real estate.

Maybe my fourth grade multiplication skills betray me, but x% times a positive number is always less than x% times a number bigger than that original number. If you want to argue that the rates that are paid are the same, be my guest, but the absolute number paid by the owners of the more expensive house is greater. Your argument is akin to saying .5x6 is equal to .5x8.

But I’ll excuse your error because I know math is hard for some folks and/or you are trying to argue an absurd point.

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Anonymous wrote:From the May 2 meeting, did any other parent think the letter that HH said sending to college admissions meant anything? It’s too late. At least juniors get chance for retakes to help their admissions packets for next fall.

https://herndonhs.fcps.edu/parent-coffee-may-2-2024

Did anyone ask if the 2022-23 Q3 grades were actual Q3 grades or averages of Q1-Q3? Because this would make huge difference. Stand-alone Q3 grades are usually low, which would explain the upward trends in averages she shows. The grades for this year are from rolling grade book snd should not be compared to standalone Q3 grades from last year.

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Anonymous wrote:Herndon parent here and I think everyone is missing the point. The point is that the principal made a huge mistake by rolling out SBG without any teacher training or professional development so it failed. The teachers were miserable and the students were suffering. Parents tried their best to advocate for their kids all year and they were ignored. She threw the teachers under the bus and told us parents we needed to report the individual teachers who were being inconsistent. Parents continued to watch our kids fail. Finally after making enough of a ruckus and demanding data, in May, Liz produced the data which proved that SGB did bring grades down after all! So parents went to the higher ups at FCPS. They didn’t respond to parents but gave Liz choices for how to proceed. She chose the worst option for her staff - which was a logistical nightmare that forced them to go against all educational principles and allow retakes of all material - and then told the teachers it was all the parents fault. The teachers blame the parents instead of Liz and are taking it out on the students. The students were the pawns in her master plan to make a name for herself and no one but the parents cared. FCPS did these kids dirty.

Herndon teacher here. We do not blame the parents. I mean we do in some cases for some things. But not for how this year went. We go not blame the parents of the kids. We do not take it out on kids. We care about our students. Please know this.

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Anonymous wrote:This whole SBG has me worried for my rising junior who attends a high school that plans to implement SBG next school year…

So far no two implementations seem to be the same. May be your school will do it the right way.

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Anonymous wrote:Hasn't stopped for decades; Went to HHS before the boundary changed - I would've ended up at Langley.

When we graduated - Langley average SAT was in the 1200s close to 1300 and Herndon was 1000s. Langley had children of famous people and Herndon had some too.

During graduation - our group were glad that we didn't go to Langley. Our group meaning the part of Herndon that had high GPAs, high SAT scores, etc. Herndon has courtyards, JROTC, a parade, some history, and a bit of diverse culture. You can't measure it on US News.

What people are not getting is that Herndon is kinda split, the kids that compete with Langley hardly see the kids the that don't. Once past 10th (PE) - you see the same set of people and then you walk through the hallways with a lot of strangers. You know them from 9th, 10th or middle school but really you don't hang with them.

Talking about Herndon as one is not quite right; Langley is one, all the kids have the same goals and compete to get there. Herndon has people that want to go to Ivy, State, Vocational, or I wonder what they did after HS. And all of you see is an average. So Langley's average SAT is ... and Herndon is ... When you compare Herndon's Elite to Langley's Elite they are comparable.

This.

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Maybe I will go vote up the new FLE recommendations so that is what board/Reid work on for next couple years and so they are distracted from rolling out SBG to more schools.

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It's not possible to do it correctly because it involves more work for grading and less reliance on homework and more reliance on tests so by its nature it's going to encourage teachers to do less in some area of grading to make up for separating out grading by standards so your kid will get less grading somewhere else and also because of the reliance on testing for grades, they will automatically get less feedback on formative work

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Anonymous wrote:Because it is ridiculously inefficient to bus kids from forestville to langley and keep McLean overcrowded.

I looked yesterday to see quite how bad this claim is, and it turns out it is very misleading. Langley from Forestville is less than twenty minutes, Herndon High clocks in around fifteen. Turns out all this bus talk is just pure pretext BS.

Yep. And the concern trolls don’t even have kids at either school. In short, their goal is to tell other people’s kids where to go to school. Report them if they continue to derail this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:Because it is ridiculously inefficient to bus kids from forestville to langley and keep McLean overcrowded.

What school do your kids attend?

Crickets - as usual.

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Anonymous wrote:It's not possible to do it correctly because it involves more work for grading and less reliance on homework and more reliance on tests so by its nature it's going to encourage teachers to do less in some area of grading to make up for separating out grading by standards so your kid will get less grading somewhere else and also because of the reliance on testing for grades, they will automatically get less feedback on formative work

Sadly, SBG will also make it easier to automate the lessons and tests. Students are expected to teach themselves more because they get far less feedback. I would t be surprised if in 10years students will be plugging into a video and taking what will amount to computer based training courses. Kids need more than that but it’s becoming so that teachers just talk more at students. I don’t think teachers want to teach this way but this is what it is boiling down to.

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Anonymous wrote:Because it is ridiculously inefficient to bus kids from forestville to langley and keep McLean overcrowded.

What school do your kids attend?

Crickets - as usual.

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Why do pages and pages of this thread keep getting deleted?