Biden Admin to Remove Statue of William Penn from Philadelphia Park

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Anonymous wrote:It is an ugly park design from the 1980s. I'm sure whatever they replace it with will be much nicer and far more welcoming.

And, no, OP, they are not "cancelling" William Penn from PENNsylvania. The faux outrage over this is stupid.

It's truly amazing how everyone is vigorously defending taking down the statue of William Penn, the epitome of a moral American, as a good thing.

Rule number 1 in any dictatorship: Don't challenge the Party.

Didn’t God warn against worshipping golden calves? And yet the supposedly Godly anti-woke crowd can seem to contain themselves any time we want to take down a statue, regardless of how many statues are already in the same city. You can still worship Billy Penn at City Hall. In fact, go visit, my hometown is a wonderful place with lots of people that won’t hesitate to tell you what they think of your faux outrage.

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Anonymous wrote:It is an ugly park design from the 1980s. I'm sure whatever they replace it with will be much nicer and far more welcoming.

And, no, OP, they are not "cancelling" William Penn from PENNsylvania. The faux outrage over this is stupid.

It's truly amazing how everyone is vigorously defending taking down the statue of William Penn, the epitome of a moral American, as a good thing.

It’s a dinky statue in a non-significant location. Billy Penn is just fine on top of city hall.

- grew up near Philadelphia area with Quaker ancestors.

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Anonymous wrote:It is an ugly park design from the 1980s. I'm sure whatever they replace it with will be much nicer and far more welcoming.

And, no, OP, they are not "cancelling" William Penn from PENNsylvania. The faux outrage over this is stupid.

It's truly amazing how everyone is vigorously defending taking down the statue of William Penn, the epitome of a moral American, as a good thing.

It’s a dinky statue in a non-significant location. Billy Penn is just fine on top of city hall.

- grew up near Philadelphia area with Quaker ancestors.

Its only so long before they come for that too.

Remember when this was just about Confederates?

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Anonymous wrote:Will any of you outraged posters come clean and confess you've never even looked at any of the statues in public spaces before and can't name the person depicted by the statue closest to your office? Come on, this is an anonymous board. We know it's true, go ahead and be honest!

Wow, so much projection in your post. You really need to get outside more and pay better attention to your surroundings, including the statues and artwork in our midst. Good luck!

Actually I’d like the answer to this from anyone who objects to this. Specifically the Penn statue. Answer the question.

My first date with my now-husband was at this monument, then we were engaged there, and my DD learned to walk right in front of it. Okay? What’s it to you?

It's "to me" because I'd be the vast majority of people have never seen it, didn't know it was there, and never had any intention of seeing it. Most prob know nothing about Penn or that there is another statue of him in a vastly more prominent place in the city. Yet are on here whining about it. "Cancel culture" blathering on and on, whatever the talking points du jour are.

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody should be surprised when Americans no longer take pride in the western democracy and values we established thanks to the continued denigration of our history. Was it a perfect history? No. But it resulted in a democracy built on the rule of law and eventual equality unmatched around the globe…and yet here we are promoting a narrative that we should only feel shame.

Instead of tearing down a statue and erasing history, why not add a component recognizing the Native American past?

We are heading down the wrong path when we rewrite history and tarnish our accomplishments with shame.

Stop dividing; start reunifying.

We are Americans…regardless of when your ancestors arrived and regardless of where you came from. Unify under our american values and celebrate the diversity of all who came here for a better life.

Lastly: stop pretending that America is a miserable failure. It isn’t.

There can be no unity without repentance. I'm glad the Biden admin is taking this steps. Western civilization was built on disease, death & destruction of others. There is no pride in that kind of society. There has been no other society as destructive and unkind to humans as Western civilization. So if the goal is to move ahead, we need to leave the past behind. Start over.

Start over based on what foundation?

Democracy, equality, western values, rule of law, etc.?

These are American values developed and perfected in the USA over time. Many, many countries still lag faaaaar behind.

Do you suggest we rebuild based on the current hyper-divisive climate where we are meant to feel nothing but shame rather than acknowledge our imperfect past and tremendous evolution?

It’s divisive in-part because people like you continue to elevate colonizers and enslavers like Penn (and a myriad of others) that allow you to maintain a privileged place in society.

Sincere question: are you only outraged by European colonialism and American slavery?

Because surely you must realize that people around the globe have engaged in colonialism and slavery…including modern day human trafficking that typically has nonwhites trafficking other nonwhites.

America remains one of the few places (perhaps only place) where anyone can thrive.

Europeans and western society have much to make amends for but this discussion is about William Penn the enslaver and slave trader. He should not be honored with idols that don’t account for his evil. Don’t try to obfuscate this with your whataboutism.

DP. So you'll be lobbying UPenn to change their name, as well as Penn Station - oh, and don't forget the state of Pennsylvania. You've got a lot to do, get cracking!

One step at a time. Justice is a process.

Indeed. In the last couple of years you were forced to get rid of your memorials to those who sought to destroy the United States in the south. You were forced to abandon your military base names commemorating enslavers.
Here’s a hint. There are more enlightened folks than there are of your kind and will continue to progress to a equitable future while you sit at home in your MAGA hat.

Yeah.... that horrible individual who sought to destroy the US ...... that repulsive..... Abraham Lincoln.
Thanks for saving us from such injustice.



And, I am assuming that you believe George Floyd to be one of those more enlightened folks?

Lincoln cynically allowed some Union states to keep their slaves and only changed his tune over politics not morality. The George Floyd statues serve as reminders to the oppressors - never again will they have such power over the underprivileged.

But Floyd was an oppressor to pregnant women and women of color, so maybe choose someone else?

Any bad behavior by him doesn’t justify being violently murdered by a police officer. Which is the point of this particular memorial. Not to honor the man but to acknowledge what happened to him.

Then why is it a sculpture of his face? Do you not think that centers him as a person?

No, I do not. Esp when you read the inscription on it. Are you always this pedantic?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is an ugly park design from the 1980s. I'm sure whatever they replace it with will be much nicer and far more welcoming.

And, no, OP, they are not "cancelling" William Penn from PENNsylvania. The faux outrage over this is stupid.

It's truly amazing how everyone is vigorously defending taking down the statue of William Penn, the epitome of a moral American, as a good thing.

Rule number 1 in any dictatorship: Don't challenge the Party.

Didn’t God warn against worshipping golden calves? And yet the supposedly Godly anti-woke crowd can seem to contain themselves any time we want to take down a statue, regardless of how many statues are already in the same city. You can still worship Billy Penn at City Hall. In fact, go visit, my hometown is a wonderful place with lots of people that won’t hesitate to tell you what they think of your faux outrage.

Nobody is worshipping the statue, pp.
Some of us are just tired of the progressive activists wanting to erase history.
You might not be able to understand that statues commemorate our history.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't imagine how people are so afraid of a statue.

There is no reason to celebrate humans who owned other humans.

This shouldn't be a hard concept to understand.

The Prophet Muhammad owned a slave concubine. Be careful because your position gets very uncomfortable very fast.

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Anonymous wrote:It is an ugly park design from the 1980s. I'm sure whatever they replace it with will be much nicer and far more welcoming.

And, no, OP, they are not "cancelling" William Penn from PENNsylvania. The faux outrage over this is stupid.

It's truly amazing how everyone is vigorously defending taking down the statue of William Penn, the epitome of a moral American, as a good thing.

Rule number 1 in any dictatorship: Don't challenge the Party.

Didn’t God warn against worshipping golden calves? And yet the supposedly Godly anti-woke crowd can seem to contain themselves any time we want to take down a statue, regardless of how many statues are already in the same city. You can still worship Billy Penn at City Hall. In fact, go visit, my hometown is a wonderful place with lots of people that won’t hesitate to tell you what they think of your faux outrage.

Nobody is worshipping the statue, pp.
Some of us are just tired of the progressive activists wanting to erase history.
You might not be able to understand that statues commemorate our history.

Does this mean you don't believe in any kind of development of any place in the US? Because every time you develop someplace, you erase the history that was there. Please explain your stance.

I mean, this statue has been there all of what, 41 years? Shrug. Philadelphia is 341 years old.

No one is burning books or banning them or telling history teachers they can't talk about William Penn. THAT would be "erasing history."

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I grew up in Philadelphia in the 80s and 90s. By first grade I could have confidently told you that Pennsylvania means penns woods, named after William Penn who founded the state to ensure religious Liberty. I also could have told you exactly where to find the statue of William Penn - on top of city hall as the highest point in the city so William could forever look over his state.
If you want to feel bad for Penn or work up some outrage, it should have been in 1987 when the stupid sky scrapers were built that were taller than city hall. THAT was an outrage.
This is just redoing a small park that most people don’t pay any attention to anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:I grew up in Philadelphia in the 80s and 90s. By first grade I could have confidently told you that Pennsylvania means penns woods, named after William Penn who founded the state to ensure religious Liberty. I also could have told you exactly where to find the statue of William Penn - on top of city hall as the highest point in the city so William could forever look over his state.
If you want to feel bad for Penn or work up some outrage, it should have been in 1987 when the stupid sky scrapers were built that were taller than city hall. THAT was an outrage.
This is just redoing a small park that most people don’t pay any attention to anyway.

Do today's first graders learn that?

The curriculum has changed a lot since we were in school. Few of the changes have been for the better.

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Anonymous wrote:I grew up in Philadelphia in the 80s and 90s. By first grade I could have confidently told you that Pennsylvania means penns woods, named after William Penn who founded the state to ensure religious Liberty. I also could have told you exactly where to find the statue of William Penn - on top of city hall as the highest point in the city so William could forever look over his state.
If you want to feel bad for Penn or work up some outrage, it should have been in 1987 when the stupid sky scrapers were built that were taller than city hall. THAT was an outrage.
This is just redoing a small park that most people don’t pay any attention to anyway.

Exactly -- it still makes me do a doubletake when I go to Philly and see those stupid skyscrapers. Talk about being disrespectful to William Penn. Will any of the outraged folks on this thread will chime in about that disgrace? For more than 100 years no building was taller than the statue. Those skyscrapers erased that history.

No one cares about this dumpy park.

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Anonymous wrote:And? He was an enslaver.

Lots of people were enslavers. Should we take away the monuments to Native Americans too? They were enslavers too.

Penn was a product of his time, it’s naive to think someone from that era would home the values you or anyone else does today.

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Anonymous wrote:It is an ugly park design from the 1980s. I'm sure whatever they replace it with will be much nicer and far more welcoming.

And, no, OP, they are not "cancelling" William Penn from PENNsylvania. The faux outrage over this is stupid.

It's truly amazing how everyone is vigorously defending taking down the statue of William Penn, the epitome of a moral American, as a good thing.

Rule number 1 in any dictatorship: Don't challenge the Party.

Didn’t God warn against worshipping golden calves? And yet the supposedly Godly anti-woke crowd can seem to contain themselves any time we want to take down a statue, regardless of how many statues are already in the same city. You can still worship Billy Penn at City Hall. In fact, go visit, my hometown is a wonderful place with lots of people that won’t hesitate to tell you what they think of your faux outrage.

Nobody is worshipping the statue, pp.
Some of us are just tired of the progressive activists wanting to erase history.
You might not be able to understand that statues commemorate our history.

lol there is no one calling for the removal of the statue. The site is being resigned. Please link to someone calling for the removal of this statue based on Pen history. Can’t do it can you.
I bet you are one of those “ historic” preservationist NIMBY.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is an ugly park design from the 1980s. I'm sure whatever they replace it with will be much nicer and far more welcoming.

And, no, OP, they are not "cancelling" William Penn from PENNsylvania. The faux outrage over this is stupid.

It's truly amazing how everyone is vigorously defending taking down the statue of William Penn, the epitome of a moral American, as a good thing.

Rule number 1 in any dictatorship: Don't challenge the Party.

Didn’t God warn against worshipping golden calves? And yet the supposedly Godly anti-woke crowd can seem to contain themselves any time we want to take down a statue, regardless of how many statues are already in the same city. You can still worship Billy Penn at City Hall. In fact, go visit, my hometown is a wonderful place with lots of people that won’t hesitate to tell you what they think of your faux outrage.

Nobody is worshipping the statue, pp.
Some of us are just tired of the progressive activists wanting to erase history.
You might not be able to understand that statues commemorate our history.

lol there is no one calling for the removal of the statue. The site is being resigned. Please link to someone calling for the removal of this statue based on Pen history. Can’t do it can you.
I bet you are one of those “ historic” preservationist NIMBY.

National Park Service (Biden admin) quote: “The Penn statue and Slate Roof house model will be removed and not reinstalled.”

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It is a way of destroying America history to satisfy people who don’t really care. God bless what America use to be😢