Anonymous wrote:Op here. It is a tougher choice than I would have thought. If we were just looking at academic reputation in a vacuum, Colby is an easy choice. But it is also big vs. small school, isolated vs. close-enough to other things/big town. I am a bit of a reputation-snob myself but even I am struggling with advising DC. What they want as a major is offered at both. Sport would offer a friend-group at both.
The differential in acceptance rates tells you everything you need to know. If location was an issue, why did DC apply to Colby?!?
What does acceptance rate tell us?
It tells you something about the quality of the student body. JMU’s acceptance rate is over 80 percent. Colby’s is below 10 percent. The SAT/ACT and GPA figures are vastly different too.
JMU is much larger, so acceptance rate is an ineffective comparison tool. Acceptance rates can also be gamed in an effort to manipulate rankings.
You can’t be this ignorant. What does the size of the school have to do with its acceptance rate? JMU’s acceptance rate is 78%. Colby’s is under 10%.
In terms of size, Cornell University has about 5K kids in its 2027 class which is the same number as JMU’s class of 2027. Cornell’s acceptance rate is 8%. Please explain how acceptance rates are gamed to account for a 70 point difference.
JMU accepts more students than Colby to fill a larger class. Cornell receives more apps than JMU which means it wins a popularity contest with JMU. None of this equates to quality of student body as you suggest.
Oh, boy! You seem to be missing some basic analytical skills. By the same argument, JMU is as good as Harvard or Yale. Anyway, I give up…
Nope, not what I said. Do you have any evidence that acceptance rates equate to student body quality?
You are correct that acceptance rates are not an indicator of student body quality. But GPAs and test scorers are (though not perfect), and those show that Colby students are definitely a cut above those at JMU.
There's high level of correlation between acceptance rate and student body quality.
Where is your proof?
It also depends what you consider quality. The wealthy strivers who went to private schools but didn't do well enough to get into an Ivy or Williams or Bowdoin, but whose connections will continue to find them high paying jobs once they graduate from Colby. Or the hard-working MC and UMC kids who lived well-rounded lives throughou their childhoods, working hard enough to get merit aid for JMU, while making friends and living a balanced life, surrounded by beautiful mountains, excellent sports teams, and thousands and thousands of other students around which to build a network.
In VA, Hard-working MC and UMC kids who lived well-rounded lives throughout their childhoods, working hard while making friends and living a balanced life, surrounded by beautiful mountains, excellent sports teams, and thousands and thousands of other students around which to build a network
go to UVA, W&M, or VT.
Why does it matter if there are “mountains” that someone can see. They don’t add anything to the college experience as they do at CU Boulder or University of Utah.
They are just big hills off in the distance that nobody cares about.
Colby has some actual mountains where you might actually ski and enjoy them if that factors into someone’s decision.
You can ski in VA and WV within an hour or less of JMU.
Crap mid Atlantic skiing…especially in VA. Also, it’s more like 2.5 hours away to snowshoe or Canaan. Bryce is pretty awful skiing.
Colby is only 1 hour from Sugarloaf which is 100x better than anything in the mid Atlantic.
My only point is that if being near mountains or skiing is important…well you again would probably go out West…but Colby offers much better options than JMU.
That is your opinion. If a kid wants to ski Wintergreen Resort is close to JMU.
Did OP even say her kid cared about skiing? Because “come to JMU and be near great skiing” is a strange (and not particularly honest) flex. Lots of things to recommend JMU. Skiing is like #987 on the list.
Again, it would be great if you'd do a little research before posting. You are so far off the mark, it's kind of funny. No one is claiming JMU is equivalent to Colorado or Utah for skiing, but for a lot of people, being 20 minutes away from a fun day on the slopes is a huge plus.
I don’t know. Seems to me that trying to convince OP to send her kid to JMU over a much stronger school *because skiing* shows a lack of research (or more accurately reading the OP or reading the thread…), since OP has given zero indication that her kid wants to ski. You’re so busy trying to convince yourself that sending your kid to the 5th or 6th best 3rd tier VA state college wasn’t a mistake because for 2-3 weeks starting in late January— SKIING! and that a 3rd tier regional school can compete with an NEASCAC that you are throwing everything you can find against the wall and hoping something sticks.
Skiing ain’t it. I’m well aware that it is possible to ski a few weeks a year in VA. But I’m not delusional, so I also know there is better skiing and a much longer season in Maine. Also, I read the thread, so I know that OP’s kid isn’t choosing a college based on the skiing or lack thereof. Which makes your insistence on proving the superiority of JMU skiing both irrelevant and bizarre.
OP asked about athletics, name recognition and outcomes. You responded with post after post insisting :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: that VA has better skiing than Maine. Which is both untrue and completely irrelevant to OP’s post.
And remind me. How many weeks of ski weather has VA had this winter? Last weekend was beautiful. Today is low 40s. Next weekend is projected to be low 40s. Kids aren’t even back at school for several weeks. How many ski weekends will JMU have this year? 1? 2?
You seem bizarrely triggered. Must be because you're trying to convince yourself that throwing hundreds of thousands of dollars away on a school that 99% of Americans have never heard of was a good move. At any rate, I'm not trying to convince OP to choose JMU over Colby - or any other school, for that matter. As you say, the OP never mentioned skiing at all. But someone did, and that's the direction the thread has gone ever since.
You have been insistent that there is no skiing anywhere near JMU and that it's just ludicrous to suggest otherwise. You were completely wrong about that, so I've helpfully provided you links, showing that not only is there skiing within a 20-minute drive of JMU, there are also several ski and snowboard-based clubs/teams on campus.
I'm not interested in this sad little pissing match you seem invested in, between ski options at JMU vs. Colby. I *never* said Virginia has better skiing than Maine. My posts have been in direct response to YOU insisting that JMU has no skiing to speak of. That's it. You were wrong. You can slink away now and continue fuming about whatever it is you categorize as "3rd tier schools" while knowing in the back of your mind that the vast majority of people don't care about - and probably have never heard of - some obscure little college in a tiny, rinky-dink Maine town.
My kid isn’t at Colby. Donut hole family and all that. She’s at WM. Never been to Colby. Don’t care about Colby. Didn’t apply to Colby. I just think the obsession with proving JMU isn’t a meh school because it’s near skiing is amusing.
That said, if we had unlimited money and in April it had come down to JMU vs Colby— how is that even a contest? (especially since my kid doesn’t care about skiing). Huge classes at a school with a very high acceptance rate, that half the kids you knew in HS attend seems really awful.
Oh, I see. This is more of just a bash JMU session for you. FYI, average class size at JMU is 25 students, with a 17:1 student/faculty ratio. 89% of class have fewer than 50 students. And "half the kids in HS"? :lol: Your posts are becoming more and more hyperbolic and farcical.
You must have been the poster who was touting the "sailing team" at WM. Quite a draw!
Again with insulting the wrong person. I had no idea WM had a sailing team. Also, I’m not the person who started in on Colby and skiing. It’s almost like more than 2 people are posting. For someone who insists people follow anonymous posters, you’re doing a terrible job of it.
And this was just an amusing thread until someone started bashing Colby. But, as it happens, I attended a SLAC. So did DH. So does our non-WM kid (although Grinnell with merit aid, not an NESCAC). So even if I have no connection to Colby, I know it’s a well respected school and I strongly believe in a. SLAC style education. If JMU boosters want to take there 80%+ acceptance rate and dish it out, then they can take it. Because deep down, they know that if their kid could have gotten into a better state college or paid to go private, they would have.
Irony.
:lol:
Seriously. This person has one of the biggest chips on her shoulders I've seen in a long time. She keeps posting false stats, making no effort to actually post the correct numbers (78% is not 80+). She's also posted MANY times on other threads about her WM kid and her Grinnell kid. Tiresome and insufferable.
80%+ is some VT A&S majors, not JMU.
And now who’s lying? I’ve never posted about “my WM kid and my Grinnell kid” because my younger kid goes to a Grinnell peer school, not Grinnell. Protecting my kids’ privacy by conflating Grinnell/Macalaster/Kenyon/Davidson, etc seemed like a good call, because these SLACs are so small and you seem unhinged.
Anonymous wrote:Op here. It is a tougher choice than I would have thought. If we were just looking at academic reputation in a vacuum, Colby is an easy choice. But it is also big vs. small school, isolated vs. close-enough to other things/big town. I am a bit of a reputation-snob myself but even I am struggling with advising DC. What they want as a major is offered at both. Sport would offer a friend-group at both.
The differential in acceptance rates tells you everything you need to know. If location was an issue, why did DC apply to Colby?!?
What does acceptance rate tell us?
It tells you something about the quality of the student body. JMU’s acceptance rate is over 80 percent. Colby’s is below 10 percent. The SAT/ACT and GPA figures are vastly different too.
JMU is much larger, so acceptance rate is an ineffective comparison tool. Acceptance rates can also be gamed in an effort to manipulate rankings.
You can’t be this ignorant. What does the size of the school have to do with its acceptance rate? JMU’s acceptance rate is 78%. Colby’s is under 10%.
In terms of size, Cornell University has about 5K kids in its 2027 class which is the same number as JMU’s class of 2027. Cornell’s acceptance rate is 8%. Please explain how acceptance rates are gamed to account for a 70 point difference.
JMU accepts more students than Colby to fill a larger class. Cornell receives more apps than JMU which means it wins a popularity contest with JMU. None of this equates to quality of student body as you suggest.
Oh, boy! You seem to be missing some basic analytical skills. By the same argument, JMU is as good as Harvard or Yale. Anyway, I give up…
Nope, not what I said. Do you have any evidence that acceptance rates equate to student body quality?
You are correct that acceptance rates are not an indicator of student body quality. But GPAs and test scorers are (though not perfect), and those show that Colby students are definitely a cut above those at JMU.
There's high level of correlation between acceptance rate and student body quality.
Where is your proof?
It also depends what you consider quality. The wealthy strivers who went to private schools but didn't do well enough to get into an Ivy or Williams or Bowdoin, but whose connections will continue to find them high paying jobs once they graduate from Colby. Or the hard-working MC and UMC kids who lived well-rounded lives throughou their childhoods, working hard enough to get merit aid for JMU, while making friends and living a balanced life, surrounded by beautiful mountains, excellent sports teams, and thousands and thousands of other students around which to build a network.
In VA, Hard-working MC and UMC kids who lived well-rounded lives throughout their childhoods, working hard while making friends and living a balanced life, surrounded by beautiful mountains, excellent sports teams, and thousands and thousands of other students around which to build a network
go to UVA, W&M, or VT.
NP. True. But they also go to JMU. (And W&M is nowhere near any mountains, nor does it have excellent sports teams.)
My DD chose JMU over VT. Her friends dorm room was full of mold upon move in at VT.
Hopefully, your DD is in some form of humanities, and not STEM.
DP. Both JMU and VT are excellent for humanities. Only 20% of VT is engineering. Try again.
Sure, but engineering, plus some related things like CS and Business information systems are the competitive programs at VT. VT Arts and Sciences is … not strong.
Liberal Arts and Human Sciences at VT actually is quite strong. Interesting that you would suggest otherwise. But not surprising.
Hmm. When you run through the majors, pure humanities, like English and modern language have a 75%-85% admit rate. Given that the strongest humanities students are applying to UVAWM or even JMU, UMW, CNU, acceptance rates that high don’t scream “quite strong”. More like “has a pulse”.
Acceptance rates again? Yawn.
IDK. 80%+ is really high. At that point, it seems cheaper and easier to just go to a community college.
JMU acceptance rate cite?
Nope. VT anrts and sciences majors (22-23, not 23-24).
Although isn’t JMU’s acceptance rate north of 75% too?
You don't have a cite?
The prior cites didn’t cut it? JMU’s admit rate is 78%.
Anonymous wrote:Op here. It is a tougher choice than I would have thought. If we were just looking at academic reputation in a vacuum, Colby is an easy choice. But it is also big vs. small school, isolated vs. close-enough to other things/big town. I am a bit of a reputation-snob myself but even I am struggling with advising DC. What they want as a major is offered at both. Sport would offer a friend-group at both.
The differential in acceptance rates tells you everything you need to know. If location was an issue, why did DC apply to Colby?!?
What does acceptance rate tell us?
It tells you something about the quality of the student body. JMU’s acceptance rate is over 80 percent. Colby’s is below 10 percent. The SAT/ACT and GPA figures are vastly different too.
JMU is much larger, so acceptance rate is an ineffective comparison tool. Acceptance rates can also be gamed in an effort to manipulate rankings.
You can’t be this ignorant. What does the size of the school have to do with its acceptance rate? JMU’s acceptance rate is 78%. Colby’s is under 10%.
In terms of size, Cornell University has about 5K kids in its 2027 class which is the same number as JMU’s class of 2027. Cornell’s acceptance rate is 8%. Please explain how acceptance rates are gamed to account for a 70 point difference.
JMU accepts more students than Colby to fill a larger class. Cornell receives more apps than JMU which means it wins a popularity contest with JMU. None of this equates to quality of student body as you suggest.
Oh, boy! You seem to be missing some basic analytical skills. By the same argument, JMU is as good as Harvard or Yale. Anyway, I give up…
Nope, not what I said. Do you have any evidence that acceptance rates equate to student body quality?
You are correct that acceptance rates are not an indicator of student body quality. But GPAs and test scorers are (though not perfect), and those show that Colby students are definitely a cut above those at JMU.
There's high level of correlation between acceptance rate and student body quality.
Where is your proof?
It also depends what you consider quality. The wealthy strivers who went to private schools but didn't do well enough to get into an Ivy or Williams or Bowdoin, but whose connections will continue to find them high paying jobs once they graduate from Colby. Or the hard-working MC and UMC kids who lived well-rounded lives throughou their childhoods, working hard enough to get merit aid for JMU, while making friends and living a balanced life, surrounded by beautiful mountains, excellent sports teams, and thousands and thousands of other students around which to build a network.
In VA, Hard-working MC and UMC kids who lived well-rounded lives throughout their childhoods, working hard while making friends and living a balanced life, surrounded by beautiful mountains, excellent sports teams, and thousands and thousands of other students around which to build a network
go to UVA, W&M, or VT.
Why does it matter if there are “mountains” that someone can see. They don’t add anything to the college experience as they do at CU Boulder or University of Utah.
They are just big hills off in the distance that nobody cares about.
Colby has some actual mountains where you might actually ski and enjoy them if that factors into someone’s decision.
You can ski in VA and WV within an hour or less of JMU.
Crap mid Atlantic skiing…especially in VA. Also, it’s more like 2.5 hours away to snowshoe or Canaan. Bryce is pretty awful skiing.
Colby is only 1 hour from Sugarloaf which is 100x better than anything in the mid Atlantic.
My only point is that if being near mountains or skiing is important…well you again would probably go out West…but Colby offers much better options than JMU.
That is your opinion. If a kid wants to ski Wintergreen Resort is close to JMU.
Did OP even say her kid cared about skiing? Because “come to JMU and be near great skiing” is a strange (and not particularly honest) flex. Lots of things to recommend JMU. Skiing is like #987 on the list.
Again, it would be great if you'd do a little research before posting. You are so far off the mark, it's kind of funny. No one is claiming JMU is equivalent to Colorado or Utah for skiing, but for a lot of people, being 20 minutes away from a fun day on the slopes is a huge plus.
I don’t know. Seems to me that trying to convince OP to send her kid to JMU over a much stronger school *because skiing* shows a lack of research (or more accurately reading the OP or reading the thread…), since OP has given zero indication that her kid wants to ski. You’re so busy trying to convince yourself that sending your kid to the 5th or 6th best 3rd tier VA state college wasn’t a mistake because for 2-3 weeks starting in late January— SKIING! and that a 3rd tier regional school can compete with an NEASCAC that you are throwing everything you can find against the wall and hoping something sticks.
Skiing ain’t it. I’m well aware that it is possible to ski a few weeks a year in VA. But I’m not delusional, so I also know there is better skiing and a much longer season in Maine. Also, I read the thread, so I know that OP’s kid isn’t choosing a college based on the skiing or lack thereof. Which makes your insistence on proving the superiority of JMU skiing both irrelevant and bizarre.
OP asked about athletics, name recognition and outcomes. You responded with post after post insisting :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: that VA has better skiing than Maine. Which is both untrue and completely irrelevant to OP’s post.
And remind me. How many weeks of ski weather has VA had this winter? Last weekend was beautiful. Today is low 40s. Next weekend is projected to be low 40s. Kids aren’t even back at school for several weeks. How many ski weekends will JMU have this year? 1? 2?
You seem bizarrely triggered. Must be because you're trying to convince yourself that throwing hundreds of thousands of dollars away on a school that 99% of Americans have never heard of was a good move. At any rate, I'm not trying to convince OP to choose JMU over Colby - or any other school, for that matter. As you say, the OP never mentioned skiing at all. But someone did, and that's the direction the thread has gone ever since.
You have been insistent that there is no skiing anywhere near JMU and that it's just ludicrous to suggest otherwise. You were completely wrong about that, so I've helpfully provided you links, showing that not only is there skiing within a 20-minute drive of JMU, there are also several ski and snowboard-based clubs/teams on campus.
I'm not interested in this sad little pissing match you seem invested in, between ski options at JMU vs. Colby. I *never* said Virginia has better skiing than Maine. My posts have been in direct response to YOU insisting that JMU has no skiing to speak of. That's it. You were wrong. You can slink away now and continue fuming about whatever it is you categorize as "3rd tier schools" while knowing in the back of your mind that the vast majority of people don't care about - and probably have never heard of - some obscure little college in a tiny, rinky-dink Maine town.
My kid isn’t at Colby. Donut hole family and all that. She’s at WM. Never been to Colby. Don’t care about Colby. Didn’t apply to Colby. I just think the obsession with proving JMU isn’t a meh school because it’s near skiing is amusing.
That said, if we had unlimited money and in April it had come down to JMU vs Colby— how is that even a contest? (especially since my kid doesn’t care about skiing). Huge classes at a school with a very high acceptance rate, that half the kids you knew in HS attend seems really awful.
Oh, I see. This is more of just a bash JMU session for you. FYI, average class size at JMU is 25 students, with a 17:1 student/faculty ratio. 89% of class have fewer than 50 students. And "half the kids in HS"? :lol: Your posts are becoming more and more hyperbolic and farcical.
You must have been the poster who was touting the "sailing team" at WM. Quite a draw!
Again with insulting the wrong person. I had no idea WM had a sailing team. Also, I’m not the person who started in on Colby and skiing. It’s almost like more than 2 people are posting. For someone who insists people follow anonymous posters, you’re doing a terrible job of it.
And this was just an amusing thread until someone started bashing Colby. But, as it happens, I attended a SLAC. So did DH. So does our non-WM kid (although Grinnell with merit aid, not an NESCAC). So even if I have no connection to Colby, I know it’s a well respected school and I strongly believe in a. SLAC style education. If JMU boosters want to take there 80%+ acceptance rate and dish it out, then they can take it. Because deep down, they know that if their kid could have gotten into a better state college or paid to go private, they would have.
Irony.
:lol:
Seriously. This person has one of the biggest chips on her shoulders I've seen in a long time. She keeps posting false stats, making no effort to actually post the correct numbers (78% is not 80+). She's also posted MANY times on other threads about her WM kid and her Grinnell kid. Tiresome and insufferable.
80%+ is some VT A&S majors, not JMU.
And now who’s lying? I’ve never posted about “my WM kid and my Grinnell kid” because my younger kid goes to a Grinnell peer school, not Grinnell. Protecting my kids’ privacy by conflating Grinnell/Macalaster/Kenyon/Davidson, etc seemed like a good call, because these SLACs are so small and you seem unhinged.
There are no VT A&S majors with an 80% acceptance rate. None. When you learn how to read the data correctly (remember, 23-24!), you will see how ridiculous you look. And you have posted umpteen times about your W&M and SLAC kids. Yawn. This is too easy.
Anonymous wrote:Op here. It is a tougher choice than I would have thought. If we were just looking at academic reputation in a vacuum, Colby is an easy choice. But it is also big vs. small school, isolated vs. close-enough to other things/big town. I am a bit of a reputation-snob myself but even I am struggling with advising DC. What they want as a major is offered at both. Sport would offer a friend-group at both.
The differential in acceptance rates tells you everything you need to know. If location was an issue, why did DC apply to Colby?!?
What does acceptance rate tell us?
It tells you something about the quality of the student body. JMU’s acceptance rate is over 80 percent. Colby’s is below 10 percent. The SAT/ACT and GPA figures are vastly different too.
JMU is much larger, so acceptance rate is an ineffective comparison tool. Acceptance rates can also be gamed in an effort to manipulate rankings.
You can’t be this ignorant. What does the size of the school have to do with its acceptance rate? JMU’s acceptance rate is 78%. Colby’s is under 10%.
In terms of size, Cornell University has about 5K kids in its 2027 class which is the same number as JMU’s class of 2027. Cornell’s acceptance rate is 8%. Please explain how acceptance rates are gamed to account for a 70 point difference.
JMU accepts more students than Colby to fill a larger class. Cornell receives more apps than JMU which means it wins a popularity contest with JMU. None of this equates to quality of student body as you suggest.
Oh, boy! You seem to be missing some basic analytical skills. By the same argument, JMU is as good as Harvard or Yale. Anyway, I give up…
Nope, not what I said. Do you have any evidence that acceptance rates equate to student body quality?
You are correct that acceptance rates are not an indicator of student body quality. But GPAs and test scorers are (though not perfect), and those show that Colby students are definitely a cut above those at JMU.
There's high level of correlation between acceptance rate and student body quality.
Where is your proof?
It also depends what you consider quality. The wealthy strivers who went to private schools but didn't do well enough to get into an Ivy or Williams or Bowdoin, but whose connections will continue to find them high paying jobs once they graduate from Colby. Or the hard-working MC and UMC kids who lived well-rounded lives throughou their childhoods, working hard enough to get merit aid for JMU, while making friends and living a balanced life, surrounded by beautiful mountains, excellent sports teams, and thousands and thousands of other students around which to build a network.
In VA, Hard-working MC and UMC kids who lived well-rounded lives throughout their childhoods, working hard while making friends and living a balanced life, surrounded by beautiful mountains, excellent sports teams, and thousands and thousands of other students around which to build a network
go to UVA, W&M, or VT.
Why does it matter if there are “mountains” that someone can see. They don’t add anything to the college experience as they do at CU Boulder or University of Utah.
They are just big hills off in the distance that nobody cares about.
Colby has some actual mountains where you might actually ski and enjoy them if that factors into someone’s decision.
You can ski in VA and WV within an hour or less of JMU.
Crap mid Atlantic skiing…especially in VA. Also, it’s more like 2.5 hours away to snowshoe or Canaan. Bryce is pretty awful skiing.
Colby is only 1 hour from Sugarloaf which is 100x better than anything in the mid Atlantic.
My only point is that if being near mountains or skiing is important…well you again would probably go out West…but Colby offers much better options than JMU.
That is your opinion. If a kid wants to ski Wintergreen Resort is close to JMU.
Did OP even say her kid cared about skiing? Because “come to JMU and be near great skiing” is a strange (and not particularly honest) flex. Lots of things to recommend JMU. Skiing is like #987 on the list.
Again, it would be great if you'd do a little research before posting. You are so far off the mark, it's kind of funny. No one is claiming JMU is equivalent to Colorado or Utah for skiing, but for a lot of people, being 20 minutes away from a fun day on the slopes is a huge plus.
I don’t know. Seems to me that trying to convince OP to send her kid to JMU over a much stronger school *because skiing* shows a lack of research (or more accurately reading the OP or reading the thread…), since OP has given zero indication that her kid wants to ski. You’re so busy trying to convince yourself that sending your kid to the 5th or 6th best 3rd tier VA state college wasn’t a mistake because for 2-3 weeks starting in late January— SKIING! and that a 3rd tier regional school can compete with an NEASCAC that you are throwing everything you can find against the wall and hoping something sticks.
Skiing ain’t it. I’m well aware that it is possible to ski a few weeks a year in VA. But I’m not delusional, so I also know there is better skiing and a much longer season in Maine. Also, I read the thread, so I know that OP’s kid isn’t choosing a college based on the skiing or lack thereof. Which makes your insistence on proving the superiority of JMU skiing both irrelevant and bizarre.
OP asked about athletics, name recognition and outcomes. You responded with post after post insisting :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: that VA has better skiing than Maine. Which is both untrue and completely irrelevant to OP’s post.
And remind me. How many weeks of ski weather has VA had this winter? Last weekend was beautiful. Today is low 40s. Next weekend is projected to be low 40s. Kids aren’t even back at school for several weeks. How many ski weekends will JMU have this year? 1? 2?
You seem bizarrely triggered. Must be because you're trying to convince yourself that throwing hundreds of thousands of dollars away on a school that 99% of Americans have never heard of was a good move. At any rate, I'm not trying to convince OP to choose JMU over Colby - or any other school, for that matter. As you say, the OP never mentioned skiing at all. But someone did, and that's the direction the thread has gone ever since.
You have been insistent that there is no skiing anywhere near JMU and that it's just ludicrous to suggest otherwise. You were completely wrong about that, so I've helpfully provided you links, showing that not only is there skiing within a 20-minute drive of JMU, there are also several ski and snowboard-based clubs/teams on campus.
I'm not interested in this sad little pissing match you seem invested in, between ski options at JMU vs. Colby. I *never* said Virginia has better skiing than Maine. My posts have been in direct response to YOU insisting that JMU has no skiing to speak of. That's it. You were wrong. You can slink away now and continue fuming about whatever it is you categorize as "3rd tier schools" while knowing in the back of your mind that the vast majority of people don't care about - and probably have never heard of - some obscure little college in a tiny, rinky-dink Maine town.
My kid isn’t at Colby. Donut hole family and all that. She’s at WM. Never been to Colby. Don’t care about Colby. Didn’t apply to Colby. I just think the obsession with proving JMU isn’t a meh school because it’s near skiing is amusing.
That said, if we had unlimited money and in April it had come down to JMU vs Colby— how is that even a contest? (especially since my kid doesn’t care about skiing). Huge classes at a school with a very high acceptance rate, that half the kids you knew in HS attend seems really awful.
Oh, I see. This is more of just a bash JMU session for you. FYI, average class size at JMU is 25 students, with a 17:1 student/faculty ratio. 89% of class have fewer than 50 students. And "half the kids in HS"? :lol: Your posts are becoming more and more hyperbolic and farcical.
You must have been the poster who was touting the "sailing team" at WM. Quite a draw!
Again with insulting the wrong person. I had no idea WM had a sailing team. Also, I’m not the person who started in on Colby and skiing. It’s almost like more than 2 people are posting. For someone who insists people follow anonymous posters, you’re doing a terrible job of it.
And this was just an amusing thread until someone started bashing Colby. But, as it happens, I attended a SLAC. So did DH. So does our non-WM kid (although Grinnell with merit aid, not an NESCAC). So even if I have no connection to Colby, I know it’s a well respected school and I strongly believe in a. SLAC style education. If JMU boosters want to take there 80%+ acceptance rate and dish it out, then they can take it. Because deep down, they know that if their kid could have gotten into a better state college or paid to go private, they would have.
Irony.
:lol:
Seriously. This person has one of the biggest chips on her shoulders I've seen in a long time. She keeps posting false stats, making no effort to actually post the correct numbers (78% is not 80+). She's also posted MANY times on other threads about her WM kid and her Grinnell kid. Tiresome and insufferable.
80%+ is some VT A&S majors, not JMU.
And now who’s lying? I’ve never posted about “my WM kid and my Grinnell kid” because my younger kid goes to a Grinnell peer school, not Grinnell. Protecting my kids’ privacy by conflating Grinnell/Macalaster/Kenyon/Davidson, etc seemed like a good call, because these SLACs are so small and you seem unhinged.
Anonymous wrote:Op here. It is a tougher choice than I would have thought. If we were just looking at academic reputation in a vacuum, Colby is an easy choice. But it is also big vs. small school, isolated vs. close-enough to other things/big town. I am a bit of a reputation-snob myself but even I am struggling with advising DC. What they want as a major is offered at both. Sport would offer a friend-group at both.
The differential in acceptance rates tells you everything you need to know. If location was an issue, why did DC apply to Colby?!?
What does acceptance rate tell us?
It tells you something about the quality of the student body. JMU’s acceptance rate is over 80 percent. Colby’s is below 10 percent. The SAT/ACT and GPA figures are vastly different too.
JMU is much larger, so acceptance rate is an ineffective comparison tool. Acceptance rates can also be gamed in an effort to manipulate rankings.
You can’t be this ignorant. What does the size of the school have to do with its acceptance rate? JMU’s acceptance rate is 78%. Colby’s is under 10%.
In terms of size, Cornell University has about 5K kids in its 2027 class which is the same number as JMU’s class of 2027. Cornell’s acceptance rate is 8%. Please explain how acceptance rates are gamed to account for a 70 point difference.
JMU accepts more students than Colby to fill a larger class. Cornell receives more apps than JMU which means it wins a popularity contest with JMU. None of this equates to quality of student body as you suggest.
Oh, boy! You seem to be missing some basic analytical skills. By the same argument, JMU is as good as Harvard or Yale. Anyway, I give up…
Nope, not what I said. Do you have any evidence that acceptance rates equate to student body quality?
You are correct that acceptance rates are not an indicator of student body quality. But GPAs and test scorers are (though not perfect), and those show that Colby students are definitely a cut above those at JMU.
There's high level of correlation between acceptance rate and student body quality.
Where is your proof?
It also depends what you consider quality. The wealthy strivers who went to private schools but didn't do well enough to get into an Ivy or Williams or Bowdoin, but whose connections will continue to find them high paying jobs once they graduate from Colby. Or the hard-working MC and UMC kids who lived well-rounded lives throughou their childhoods, working hard enough to get merit aid for JMU, while making friends and living a balanced life, surrounded by beautiful mountains, excellent sports teams, and thousands and thousands of other students around which to build a network.
In VA, Hard-working MC and UMC kids who lived well-rounded lives throughout their childhoods, working hard while making friends and living a balanced life, surrounded by beautiful mountains, excellent sports teams, and thousands and thousands of other students around which to build a network
go to UVA, W&M, or VT.
Why does it matter if there are “mountains” that someone can see. They don’t add anything to the college experience as they do at CU Boulder or University of Utah.
They are just big hills off in the distance that nobody cares about.
Colby has some actual mountains where you might actually ski and enjoy them if that factors into someone’s decision.
You can ski in VA and WV within an hour or less of JMU.
Crap mid Atlantic skiing…especially in VA. Also, it’s more like 2.5 hours away to snowshoe or Canaan. Bryce is pretty awful skiing.
Colby is only 1 hour from Sugarloaf which is 100x better than anything in the mid Atlantic.
My only point is that if being near mountains or skiing is important…well you again would probably go out West…but Colby offers much better options than JMU.
That is your opinion. If a kid wants to ski Wintergreen Resort is close to JMU.
Did OP even say her kid cared about skiing? Because “come to JMU and be near great skiing” is a strange (and not particularly honest) flex. Lots of things to recommend JMU. Skiing is like #987 on the list.
Again, it would be great if you'd do a little research before posting. You are so far off the mark, it's kind of funny. No one is claiming JMU is equivalent to Colorado or Utah for skiing, but for a lot of people, being 20 minutes away from a fun day on the slopes is a huge plus.
I don’t know. Seems to me that trying to convince OP to send her kid to JMU over a much stronger school *because skiing* shows a lack of research (or more accurately reading the OP or reading the thread…), since OP has given zero indication that her kid wants to ski. You’re so busy trying to convince yourself that sending your kid to the 5th or 6th best 3rd tier VA state college wasn’t a mistake because for 2-3 weeks starting in late January— SKIING! and that a 3rd tier regional school can compete with an NEASCAC that you are throwing everything you can find against the wall and hoping something sticks.
Skiing ain’t it. I’m well aware that it is possible to ski a few weeks a year in VA. But I’m not delusional, so I also know there is better skiing and a much longer season in Maine. Also, I read the thread, so I know that OP’s kid isn’t choosing a college based on the skiing or lack thereof. Which makes your insistence on proving the superiority of JMU skiing both irrelevant and bizarre.
OP asked about athletics, name recognition and outcomes. You responded with post after post insisting :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: that VA has better skiing than Maine. Which is both untrue and completely irrelevant to OP’s post.
And remind me. How many weeks of ski weather has VA had this winter? Last weekend was beautiful. Today is low 40s. Next weekend is projected to be low 40s. Kids aren’t even back at school for several weeks. How many ski weekends will JMU have this year? 1? 2?
You seem bizarrely triggered. Must be because you're trying to convince yourself that throwing hundreds of thousands of dollars away on a school that 99% of Americans have never heard of was a good move. At any rate, I'm not trying to convince OP to choose JMU over Colby - or any other school, for that matter. As you say, the OP never mentioned skiing at all. But someone did, and that's the direction the thread has gone ever since.
You have been insistent that there is no skiing anywhere near JMU and that it's just ludicrous to suggest otherwise. You were completely wrong about that, so I've helpfully provided you links, showing that not only is there skiing within a 20-minute drive of JMU, there are also several ski and snowboard-based clubs/teams on campus.
I'm not interested in this sad little pissing match you seem invested in, between ski options at JMU vs. Colby. I *never* said Virginia has better skiing than Maine. My posts have been in direct response to YOU insisting that JMU has no skiing to speak of. That's it. You were wrong. You can slink away now and continue fuming about whatever it is you categorize as "3rd tier schools" while knowing in the back of your mind that the vast majority of people don't care about - and probably have never heard of - some obscure little college in a tiny, rinky-dink Maine town.
My kid isn’t at Colby. Donut hole family and all that. She’s at WM. Never been to Colby. Don’t care about Colby. Didn’t apply to Colby. I just think the obsession with proving JMU isn’t a meh school because it’s near skiing is amusing.
That said, if we had unlimited money and in April it had come down to JMU vs Colby— how is that even a contest? (especially since my kid doesn’t care about skiing). Huge classes at a school with a very high acceptance rate, that half the kids you knew in HS attend seems really awful.
Oh, I see. This is more of just a bash JMU session for you. FYI, average class size at JMU is 25 students, with a 17:1 student/faculty ratio. 89% of class have fewer than 50 students. And "half the kids in HS"? :lol: Your posts are becoming more and more hyperbolic and farcical.
You must have been the poster who was touting the "sailing team" at WM. Quite a draw!
Again with insulting the wrong person. I had no idea WM had a sailing team. Also, I’m not the person who started in on Colby and skiing. It’s almost like more than 2 people are posting. For someone who insists people follow anonymous posters, you’re doing a terrible job of it.
And this was just an amusing thread until someone started bashing Colby. But, as it happens, I attended a SLAC. So did DH. So does our non-WM kid (although Grinnell with merit aid, not an NESCAC). So even if I have no connection to Colby, I know it’s a well respected school and I strongly believe in a. SLAC style education. If JMU boosters want to take there 80%+ acceptance rate and dish it out, then they can take it. Because deep down, they know that if their kid could have gotten into a better state college or paid to go private, they would have.
Irony.
:lol:
Seriously. This person has one of the biggest chips on her shoulders I've seen in a long time. She keeps posting false stats, making no effort to actually post the correct numbers (78% is not 80+). She's also posted MANY times on other threads about her WM kid and her Grinnell kid. Tiresome and insufferable.
80%+ is some VT A&S majors, not JMU.
And now who’s lying? I’ve never posted about “my WM kid and my Grinnell kid” because my younger kid goes to a Grinnell peer school, not Grinnell. Protecting my kids’ privacy by conflating Grinnell/Macalaster/Kenyon/Davidson, etc seemed like a good call, because these SLACs are so small and you seem unhinged.
Anonymous wrote:Op here. It is a tougher choice than I would have thought. If we were just looking at academic reputation in a vacuum, Colby is an easy choice. But it is also big vs. small school, isolated vs. close-enough to other things/big town. I am a bit of a reputation-snob myself but even I am struggling with advising DC. What they want as a major is offered at both. Sport would offer a friend-group at both.
The differential in acceptance rates tells you everything you need to know. If location was an issue, why did DC apply to Colby?!?
What does acceptance rate tell us?
It tells you something about the quality of the student body. JMU’s acceptance rate is over 80 percent. Colby’s is below 10 percent. The SAT/ACT and GPA figures are vastly different too.
JMU is much larger, so acceptance rate is an ineffective comparison tool. Acceptance rates can also be gamed in an effort to manipulate rankings.
You can’t be this ignorant. What does the size of the school have to do with its acceptance rate? JMU’s acceptance rate is 78%. Colby’s is under 10%.
In terms of size, Cornell University has about 5K kids in its 2027 class which is the same number as JMU’s class of 2027. Cornell’s acceptance rate is 8%. Please explain how acceptance rates are gamed to account for a 70 point difference.
JMU accepts more students than Colby to fill a larger class. Cornell receives more apps than JMU which means it wins a popularity contest with JMU. None of this equates to quality of student body as you suggest.
Oh, boy! You seem to be missing some basic analytical skills. By the same argument, JMU is as good as Harvard or Yale. Anyway, I give up…
Nope, not what I said. Do you have any evidence that acceptance rates equate to student body quality?
You are correct that acceptance rates are not an indicator of student body quality. But GPAs and test scorers are (though not perfect), and those show that Colby students are definitely a cut above those at JMU.
There's high level of correlation between acceptance rate and student body quality.
Where is your proof?
It also depends what you consider quality. The wealthy strivers who went to private schools but didn't do well enough to get into an Ivy or Williams or Bowdoin, but whose connections will continue to find them high paying jobs once they graduate from Colby. Or the hard-working MC and UMC kids who lived well-rounded lives throughou their childhoods, working hard enough to get merit aid for JMU, while making friends and living a balanced life, surrounded by beautiful mountains, excellent sports teams, and thousands and thousands of other students around which to build a network.
In VA, Hard-working MC and UMC kids who lived well-rounded lives throughout their childhoods, working hard while making friends and living a balanced life, surrounded by beautiful mountains, excellent sports teams, and thousands and thousands of other students around which to build a network
go to UVA, W&M, or VT.
Why does it matter if there are “mountains” that someone can see. They don’t add anything to the college experience as they do at CU Boulder or University of Utah.
They are just big hills off in the distance that nobody cares about.
Colby has some actual mountains where you might actually ski and enjoy them if that factors into someone’s decision.
You can ski in VA and WV within an hour or less of JMU.
Crap mid Atlantic skiing…especially in VA. Also, it’s more like 2.5 hours away to snowshoe or Canaan. Bryce is pretty awful skiing.
Colby is only 1 hour from Sugarloaf which is 100x better than anything in the mid Atlantic.
My only point is that if being near mountains or skiing is important…well you again would probably go out West…but Colby offers much better options than JMU.
That is your opinion. If a kid wants to ski Wintergreen Resort is close to JMU.
Did OP even say her kid cared about skiing? Because “come to JMU and be near great skiing” is a strange (and not particularly honest) flex. Lots of things to recommend JMU. Skiing is like #987 on the list.
Again, it would be great if you'd do a little research before posting. You are so far off the mark, it's kind of funny. No one is claiming JMU is equivalent to Colorado or Utah for skiing, but for a lot of people, being 20 minutes away from a fun day on the slopes is a huge plus.
I don’t know. Seems to me that trying to convince OP to send her kid to JMU over a much stronger school *because skiing* shows a lack of research (or more accurately reading the OP or reading the thread…), since OP has given zero indication that her kid wants to ski. You’re so busy trying to convince yourself that sending your kid to the 5th or 6th best 3rd tier VA state college wasn’t a mistake because for 2-3 weeks starting in late January— SKIING! and that a 3rd tier regional school can compete with an NEASCAC that you are throwing everything you can find against the wall and hoping something sticks.
Skiing ain’t it. I’m well aware that it is possible to ski a few weeks a year in VA. But I’m not delusional, so I also know there is better skiing and a much longer season in Maine. Also, I read the thread, so I know that OP’s kid isn’t choosing a college based on the skiing or lack thereof. Which makes your insistence on proving the superiority of JMU skiing both irrelevant and bizarre.
OP asked about athletics, name recognition and outcomes. You responded with post after post insisting :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: that VA has better skiing than Maine. Which is both untrue and completely irrelevant to OP’s post.
And remind me. How many weeks of ski weather has VA had this winter? Last weekend was beautiful. Today is low 40s. Next weekend is projected to be low 40s. Kids aren’t even back at school for several weeks. How many ski weekends will JMU have this year? 1? 2?
You seem bizarrely triggered. Must be because you're trying to convince yourself that throwing hundreds of thousands of dollars away on a school that 99% of Americans have never heard of was a good move. At any rate, I'm not trying to convince OP to choose JMU over Colby - or any other school, for that matter. As you say, the OP never mentioned skiing at all. But someone did, and that's the direction the thread has gone ever since.
You have been insistent that there is no skiing anywhere near JMU and that it's just ludicrous to suggest otherwise. You were completely wrong about that, so I've helpfully provided you links, showing that not only is there skiing within a 20-minute drive of JMU, there are also several ski and snowboard-based clubs/teams on campus.
I'm not interested in this sad little pissing match you seem invested in, between ski options at JMU vs. Colby. I *never* said Virginia has better skiing than Maine. My posts have been in direct response to YOU insisting that JMU has no skiing to speak of. That's it. You were wrong. You can slink away now and continue fuming about whatever it is you categorize as "3rd tier schools" while knowing in the back of your mind that the vast majority of people don't care about - and probably have never heard of - some obscure little college in a tiny, rinky-dink Maine town.
My kid isn’t at Colby. Donut hole family and all that. She’s at WM. Never been to Colby. Don’t care about Colby. Didn’t apply to Colby. I just think the obsession with proving JMU isn’t a meh school because it’s near skiing is amusing.
That said, if we had unlimited money and in April it had come down to JMU vs Colby— how is that even a contest? (especially since my kid doesn’t care about skiing). Huge classes at a school with a very high acceptance rate, that half the kids you knew in HS attend seems really awful.
Oh, I see. This is more of just a bash JMU session for you. FYI, average class size at JMU is 25 students, with a 17:1 student/faculty ratio. 89% of class have fewer than 50 students. And "half the kids in HS"? :lol: Your posts are becoming more and more hyperbolic and farcical.
You must have been the poster who was touting the "sailing team" at WM. Quite a draw!
Again with insulting the wrong person. I had no idea WM had a sailing team. Also, I’m not the person who started in on Colby and skiing. It’s almost like more than 2 people are posting. For someone who insists people follow anonymous posters, you’re doing a terrible job of it.
And this was just an amusing thread until someone started bashing Colby. But, as it happens, I attended a SLAC. So did DH. So does our non-WM kid (although Grinnell with merit aid, not an NESCAC). So even if I have no connection to Colby, I know it’s a well respected school and I strongly believe in a. SLAC style education. If JMU boosters want to take there 80%+ acceptance rate and dish it out, then they can take it. Because deep down, they know that if their kid could have gotten into a better state college or paid to go private, they would have.
Irony.
:lol:
Seriously. This person has one of the biggest chips on her shoulders I've seen in a long time. She keeps posting false stats, making no effort to actually post the correct numbers (78% is not 80+). She's also posted MANY times on other threads about her WM kid and her Grinnell kid. Tiresome and insufferable.
80%+ is some VT A&S majors, not JMU.
And now who’s lying? I’ve never posted about “my WM kid and my Grinnell kid” because my younger kid goes to a Grinnell peer school, not Grinnell. Protecting my kids’ privacy by conflating Grinnell/Macalaster/Kenyon/Davidson, etc seemed like a good call, because these SLACs are so small and you seem unhinged.
There are no VT A&S majors with an 80% acceptance rate. None. When you learn how to read the data correctly (remember, 23-24!), you will see how ridiculous you look. And you have posted umpteen times about your W&M and SLAC kids. Yawn. This is too easy.
Cite? To all these alleged posts of mine? Because I rarely post. And lots of people in the DMV have kids at WM and a SLAC. Including DD’s roommate, whose sibling is at a SLAC.
Anonymous wrote:Op here. It is a tougher choice than I would have thought. If we were just looking at academic reputation in a vacuum, Colby is an easy choice. But it is also big vs. small school, isolated vs. close-enough to other things/big town. I am a bit of a reputation-snob myself but even I am struggling with advising DC. What they want as a major is offered at both. Sport would offer a friend-group at both.
The differential in acceptance rates tells you everything you need to know. If location was an issue, why did DC apply to Colby?!?
What does acceptance rate tell us?
It tells you something about the quality of the student body. JMU’s acceptance rate is over 80 percent. Colby’s is below 10 percent. The SAT/ACT and GPA figures are vastly different too.
JMU is much larger, so acceptance rate is an ineffective comparison tool. Acceptance rates can also be gamed in an effort to manipulate rankings.
You can’t be this ignorant. What does the size of the school have to do with its acceptance rate? JMU’s acceptance rate is 78%. Colby’s is under 10%.
In terms of size, Cornell University has about 5K kids in its 2027 class which is the same number as JMU’s class of 2027. Cornell’s acceptance rate is 8%. Please explain how acceptance rates are gamed to account for a 70 point difference.
JMU accepts more students than Colby to fill a larger class. Cornell receives more apps than JMU which means it wins a popularity contest with JMU. None of this equates to quality of student body as you suggest.
Oh, boy! You seem to be missing some basic analytical skills. By the same argument, JMU is as good as Harvard or Yale. Anyway, I give up…
Nope, not what I said. Do you have any evidence that acceptance rates equate to student body quality?
You are correct that acceptance rates are not an indicator of student body quality. But GPAs and test scorers are (though not perfect), and those show that Colby students are definitely a cut above those at JMU.
There's high level of correlation between acceptance rate and student body quality.
Where is your proof?
It also depends what you consider quality. The wealthy strivers who went to private schools but didn't do well enough to get into an Ivy or Williams or Bowdoin, but whose connections will continue to find them high paying jobs once they graduate from Colby. Or the hard-working MC and UMC kids who lived well-rounded lives throughou their childhoods, working hard enough to get merit aid for JMU, while making friends and living a balanced life, surrounded by beautiful mountains, excellent sports teams, and thousands and thousands of other students around which to build a network.
In VA, Hard-working MC and UMC kids who lived well-rounded lives throughout their childhoods, working hard while making friends and living a balanced life, surrounded by beautiful mountains, excellent sports teams, and thousands and thousands of other students around which to build a network
go to UVA, W&M, or VT.
NP. True. But they also go to JMU. (And W&M is nowhere near any mountains, nor does it have excellent sports teams.)
My DD chose JMU over VT. Her friends dorm room was full of mold upon move in at VT.
Hopefully, your DD is in some form of humanities, and not STEM.
DP. Both JMU and VT are excellent for humanities. Only 20% of VT is engineering. Try again.
Sure, but engineering, plus some related things like CS and Business information systems are the competitive programs at VT. VT Arts and Sciences is … not strong.
Liberal Arts and Human Sciences at VT actually is quite strong. Interesting that you would suggest otherwise. But not surprising.
Hmm. When you run through the majors, pure humanities, like English and modern language have a 75%-85% admit rate. Given that the strongest humanities students are applying to UVAWM or even JMU, UMW, CNU, acceptance rates that high don’t scream “quite strong”. More like “has a pulse”.
Acceptance rates again? Yawn.
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That poster can't even be bothered to post correct numbers. S/he thinks no one will call them out on their childish lies.
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That poster is reading from the chart with the most recent complete data set. You think no one will call you out on using the (obviously incomplete) partial EA data from 2023-2024 admissions. Get back to us next summer when the data you are yelling about is complete.
Can't wait to hear your apology about how you were using entirely the wrong numbers!
Anonymous wrote:Op here. It is a tougher choice than I would have thought. If we were just looking at academic reputation in a vacuum, Colby is an easy choice. But it is also big vs. small school, isolated vs. close-enough to other things/big town. I am a bit of a reputation-snob myself but even I am struggling with advising DC. What they want as a major is offered at both. Sport would offer a friend-group at both.
The differential in acceptance rates tells you everything you need to know. If location was an issue, why did DC apply to Colby?!?
What does acceptance rate tell us?
It tells you something about the quality of the student body. JMU’s acceptance rate is over 80 percent. Colby’s is below 10 percent. The SAT/ACT and GPA figures are vastly different too.
JMU is much larger, so acceptance rate is an ineffective comparison tool. Acceptance rates can also be gamed in an effort to manipulate rankings.
You can’t be this ignorant. What does the size of the school have to do with its acceptance rate? JMU’s acceptance rate is 78%. Colby’s is under 10%.
In terms of size, Cornell University has about 5K kids in its 2027 class which is the same number as JMU’s class of 2027. Cornell’s acceptance rate is 8%. Please explain how acceptance rates are gamed to account for a 70 point difference.
JMU accepts more students than Colby to fill a larger class. Cornell receives more apps than JMU which means it wins a popularity contest with JMU. None of this equates to quality of student body as you suggest.
Oh, boy! You seem to be missing some basic analytical skills. By the same argument, JMU is as good as Harvard or Yale. Anyway, I give up…
Nope, not what I said. Do you have any evidence that acceptance rates equate to student body quality?
You are correct that acceptance rates are not an indicator of student body quality. But GPAs and test scorers are (though not perfect), and those show that Colby students are definitely a cut above those at JMU.
There's high level of correlation between acceptance rate and student body quality.
Where is your proof?
It also depends what you consider quality. The wealthy strivers who went to private schools but didn't do well enough to get into an Ivy or Williams or Bowdoin, but whose connections will continue to find them high paying jobs once they graduate from Colby. Or the hard-working MC and UMC kids who lived well-rounded lives throughou their childhoods, working hard enough to get merit aid for JMU, while making friends and living a balanced life, surrounded by beautiful mountains, excellent sports teams, and thousands and thousands of other students around which to build a network.
In VA, Hard-working MC and UMC kids who lived well-rounded lives throughout their childhoods, working hard while making friends and living a balanced life, surrounded by beautiful mountains, excellent sports teams, and thousands and thousands of other students around which to build a network
go to UVA, W&M, or VT.
Why does it matter if there are “mountains” that someone can see. They don’t add anything to the college experience as they do at CU Boulder or University of Utah.
They are just big hills off in the distance that nobody cares about.
Colby has some actual mountains where you might actually ski and enjoy them if that factors into someone’s decision.
You can ski in VA and WV within an hour or less of JMU.
Crap mid Atlantic skiing…especially in VA. Also, it’s more like 2.5 hours away to snowshoe or Canaan. Bryce is pretty awful skiing.
Colby is only 1 hour from Sugarloaf which is 100x better than anything in the mid Atlantic.
My only point is that if being near mountains or skiing is important…well you again would probably go out West…but Colby offers much better options than JMU.
That is your opinion. If a kid wants to ski Wintergreen Resort is close to JMU.
Did OP even say her kid cared about skiing? Because “come to JMU and be near great skiing” is a strange (and not particularly honest) flex. Lots of things to recommend JMU. Skiing is like #987 on the list.
Again, it would be great if you'd do a little research before posting. You are so far off the mark, it's kind of funny. No one is claiming JMU is equivalent to Colorado or Utah for skiing, but for a lot of people, being 20 minutes away from a fun day on the slopes is a huge plus.
I don’t know. Seems to me that trying to convince OP to send her kid to JMU over a much stronger school *because skiing* shows a lack of research (or more accurately reading the OP or reading the thread…), since OP has given zero indication that her kid wants to ski. You’re so busy trying to convince yourself that sending your kid to the 5th or 6th best 3rd tier VA state college wasn’t a mistake because for 2-3 weeks starting in late January— SKIING! and that a 3rd tier regional school can compete with an NEASCAC that you are throwing everything you can find against the wall and hoping something sticks.
Skiing ain’t it. I’m well aware that it is possible to ski a few weeks a year in VA. But I’m not delusional, so I also know there is better skiing and a much longer season in Maine. Also, I read the thread, so I know that OP’s kid isn’t choosing a college based on the skiing or lack thereof. Which makes your insistence on proving the superiority of JMU skiing both irrelevant and bizarre.
OP asked about athletics, name recognition and outcomes. You responded with post after post insisting :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: that VA has better skiing than Maine. Which is both untrue and completely irrelevant to OP’s post.
And remind me. How many weeks of ski weather has VA had this winter? Last weekend was beautiful. Today is low 40s. Next weekend is projected to be low 40s. Kids aren’t even back at school for several weeks. How many ski weekends will JMU have this year? 1? 2?
You seem bizarrely triggered. Must be because you're trying to convince yourself that throwing hundreds of thousands of dollars away on a school that 99% of Americans have never heard of was a good move. At any rate, I'm not trying to convince OP to choose JMU over Colby - or any other school, for that matter. As you say, the OP never mentioned skiing at all. But someone did, and that's the direction the thread has gone ever since.
You have been insistent that there is no skiing anywhere near JMU and that it's just ludicrous to suggest otherwise. You were completely wrong about that, so I've helpfully provided you links, showing that not only is there skiing within a 20-minute drive of JMU, there are also several ski and snowboard-based clubs/teams on campus.
I'm not interested in this sad little pissing match you seem invested in, between ski options at JMU vs. Colby. I *never* said Virginia has better skiing than Maine. My posts have been in direct response to YOU insisting that JMU has no skiing to speak of. That's it. You were wrong. You can slink away now and continue fuming about whatever it is you categorize as "3rd tier schools" while knowing in the back of your mind that the vast majority of people don't care about - and probably have never heard of - some obscure little college in a tiny, rinky-dink Maine town.
My kid isn’t at Colby. Donut hole family and all that. She’s at WM. Never been to Colby. Don’t care about Colby. Didn’t apply to Colby. I just think the obsession with proving JMU isn’t a meh school because it’s near skiing is amusing.
That said, if we had unlimited money and in April it had come down to JMU vs Colby— how is that even a contest? (especially since my kid doesn’t care about skiing). Huge classes at a school with a very high acceptance rate, that half the kids you knew in HS attend seems really awful.
Oh, I see. This is more of just a bash JMU session for you. FYI, average class size at JMU is 25 students, with a 17:1 student/faculty ratio. 89% of class have fewer than 50 students. And "half the kids in HS"? :lol: Your posts are becoming more and more hyperbolic and farcical.
You must have been the poster who was touting the "sailing team" at WM. Quite a draw!
Again with insulting the wrong person. I had no idea WM had a sailing team. Also, I’m not the person who started in on Colby and skiing. It’s almost like more than 2 people are posting. For someone who insists people follow anonymous posters, you’re doing a terrible job of it.
And this was just an amusing thread until someone started bashing Colby. But, as it happens, I attended a SLAC. So did DH. So does our non-WM kid (although Grinnell with merit aid, not an NESCAC). So even if I have no connection to Colby, I know it’s a well respected school and I strongly believe in a. SLAC style education. If JMU boosters want to take there 80%+ acceptance rate and dish it out, then they can take it. Because deep down, they know that if their kid could have gotten into a better state college or paid to go private, they would have.
Irony.
:lol:
Seriously. This person has one of the biggest chips on her shoulders I've seen in a long time. She keeps posting false stats, making no effort to actually post the correct numbers (78% is not 80+). She's also posted MANY times on other threads about her WM kid and her Grinnell kid. Tiresome and insufferable.
80%+ is some VT A&S majors, not JMU.
And now who’s lying? I’ve never posted about “my WM kid and my Grinnell kid” because my younger kid goes to a Grinnell peer school, not Grinnell. Protecting my kids’ privacy by conflating Grinnell/Macalaster/Kenyon/Davidson, etc seemed like a good call, because these SLACs are so small and you seem unhinged.
There are no VT A&S majors with an 80% acceptance rate. None. When you learn how to read the data correctly (remember, 23-24!), you will see how ridiculous you look. And you have posted umpteen times about your W&M and SLAC kids. Yawn. This is too easy.
Well, that’s a lie. 3 minutes of poking around showed that German, Russian and Consumer Science all admit >80%.
Anonymous wrote:Op here. It is a tougher choice than I would have thought. If we were just looking at academic reputation in a vacuum, Colby is an easy choice. But it is also big vs. small school, isolated vs. close-enough to other things/big town. I am a bit of a reputation-snob myself but even I am struggling with advising DC. What they want as a major is offered at both. Sport would offer a friend-group at both.
The differential in acceptance rates tells you everything you need to know. If location was an issue, why did DC apply to Colby?!?
What does acceptance rate tell us?
It tells you something about the quality of the student body. JMU’s acceptance rate is over 80 percent. Colby’s is below 10 percent. The SAT/ACT and GPA figures are vastly different too.
JMU is much larger, so acceptance rate is an ineffective comparison tool. Acceptance rates can also be gamed in an effort to manipulate rankings.
You can’t be this ignorant. What does the size of the school have to do with its acceptance rate? JMU’s acceptance rate is 78%. Colby’s is under 10%.
In terms of size, Cornell University has about 5K kids in its 2027 class which is the same number as JMU’s class of 2027. Cornell’s acceptance rate is 8%. Please explain how acceptance rates are gamed to account for a 70 point difference.
JMU accepts more students than Colby to fill a larger class. Cornell receives more apps than JMU which means it wins a popularity contest with JMU. None of this equates to quality of student body as you suggest.
Oh, boy! You seem to be missing some basic analytical skills. By the same argument, JMU is as good as Harvard or Yale. Anyway, I give up…
Nope, not what I said. Do you have any evidence that acceptance rates equate to student body quality?
You are correct that acceptance rates are not an indicator of student body quality. But GPAs and test scorers are (though not perfect), and those show that Colby students are definitely a cut above those at JMU.
There's high level of correlation between acceptance rate and student body quality.
Where is your proof?
It also depends what you consider quality. The wealthy strivers who went to private schools but didn't do well enough to get into an Ivy or Williams or Bowdoin, but whose connections will continue to find them high paying jobs once they graduate from Colby. Or the hard-working MC and UMC kids who lived well-rounded lives throughou their childhoods, working hard enough to get merit aid for JMU, while making friends and living a balanced life, surrounded by beautiful mountains, excellent sports teams, and thousands and thousands of other students around which to build a network.
In VA, Hard-working MC and UMC kids who lived well-rounded lives throughout their childhoods, working hard while making friends and living a balanced life, surrounded by beautiful mountains, excellent sports teams, and thousands and thousands of other students around which to build a network
go to UVA, W&M, or VT.
Why does it matter if there are “mountains” that someone can see. They don’t add anything to the college experience as they do at CU Boulder or University of Utah.
They are just big hills off in the distance that nobody cares about.
Colby has some actual mountains where you might actually ski and enjoy them if that factors into someone’s decision.
You can ski in VA and WV within an hour or less of JMU.
Crap mid Atlantic skiing…especially in VA. Also, it’s more like 2.5 hours away to snowshoe or Canaan. Bryce is pretty awful skiing.
Colby is only 1 hour from Sugarloaf which is 100x better than anything in the mid Atlantic.
My only point is that if being near mountains or skiing is important…well you again would probably go out West…but Colby offers much better options than JMU.
That is your opinion. If a kid wants to ski Wintergreen Resort is close to JMU.
Did OP even say her kid cared about skiing? Because “come to JMU and be near great skiing” is a strange (and not particularly honest) flex. Lots of things to recommend JMU. Skiing is like #987 on the list.
Again, it would be great if you'd do a little research before posting. You are so far off the mark, it's kind of funny. No one is claiming JMU is equivalent to Colorado or Utah for skiing, but for a lot of people, being 20 minutes away from a fun day on the slopes is a huge plus.
I don’t know. Seems to me that trying to convince OP to send her kid to JMU over a much stronger school *because skiing* shows a lack of research (or more accurately reading the OP or reading the thread…), since OP has given zero indication that her kid wants to ski. You’re so busy trying to convince yourself that sending your kid to the 5th or 6th best 3rd tier VA state college wasn’t a mistake because for 2-3 weeks starting in late January— SKIING! and that a 3rd tier regional school can compete with an NEASCAC that you are throwing everything you can find against the wall and hoping something sticks.
Skiing ain’t it. I’m well aware that it is possible to ski a few weeks a year in VA. But I’m not delusional, so I also know there is better skiing and a much longer season in Maine. Also, I read the thread, so I know that OP’s kid isn’t choosing a college based on the skiing or lack thereof. Which makes your insistence on proving the superiority of JMU skiing both irrelevant and bizarre.
OP asked about athletics, name recognition and outcomes. You responded with post after post insisting :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: that VA has better skiing than Maine. Which is both untrue and completely irrelevant to OP’s post.
And remind me. How many weeks of ski weather has VA had this winter? Last weekend was beautiful. Today is low 40s. Next weekend is projected to be low 40s. Kids aren’t even back at school for several weeks. How many ski weekends will JMU have this year? 1? 2?
You seem bizarrely triggered. Must be because you're trying to convince yourself that throwing hundreds of thousands of dollars away on a school that 99% of Americans have never heard of was a good move. At any rate, I'm not trying to convince OP to choose JMU over Colby - or any other school, for that matter. As you say, the OP never mentioned skiing at all. But someone did, and that's the direction the thread has gone ever since.
You have been insistent that there is no skiing anywhere near JMU and that it's just ludicrous to suggest otherwise. You were completely wrong about that, so I've helpfully provided you links, showing that not only is there skiing within a 20-minute drive of JMU, there are also several ski and snowboard-based clubs/teams on campus.
I'm not interested in this sad little pissing match you seem invested in, between ski options at JMU vs. Colby. I *never* said Virginia has better skiing than Maine. My posts have been in direct response to YOU insisting that JMU has no skiing to speak of. That's it. You were wrong. You can slink away now and continue fuming about whatever it is you categorize as "3rd tier schools" while knowing in the back of your mind that the vast majority of people don't care about - and probably have never heard of - some obscure little college in a tiny, rinky-dink Maine town.
My kid isn’t at Colby. Donut hole family and all that. She’s at WM. Never been to Colby. Don’t care about Colby. Didn’t apply to Colby. I just think the obsession with proving JMU isn’t a meh school because it’s near skiing is amusing.
That said, if we had unlimited money and in April it had come down to JMU vs Colby— how is that even a contest? (especially since my kid doesn’t care about skiing). Huge classes at a school with a very high acceptance rate, that half the kids you knew in HS attend seems really awful.
Oh, I see. This is more of just a bash JMU session for you. FYI, average class size at JMU is 25 students, with a 17:1 student/faculty ratio. 89% of class have fewer than 50 students. And "half the kids in HS"? :lol: Your posts are becoming more and more hyperbolic and farcical.
You must have been the poster who was touting the "sailing team" at WM. Quite a draw!
Again with insulting the wrong person. I had no idea WM had a sailing team. Also, I’m not the person who started in on Colby and skiing. It’s almost like more than 2 people are posting. For someone who insists people follow anonymous posters, you’re doing a terrible job of it.
And this was just an amusing thread until someone started bashing Colby. But, as it happens, I attended a SLAC. So did DH. So does our non-WM kid (although Grinnell with merit aid, not an NESCAC). So even if I have no connection to Colby, I know it’s a well respected school and I strongly believe in a. SLAC style education. If JMU boosters want to take there 80%+ acceptance rate and dish it out, then they can take it. Because deep down, they know that if their kid could have gotten into a better state college or paid to go private, they would have.
Irony.
:lol:
Seriously. This person has one of the biggest chips on her shoulders I've seen in a long time. She keeps posting false stats, making no effort to actually post the correct numbers (78% is not 80+). She's also posted MANY times on other threads about her WM kid and her Grinnell kid. Tiresome and insufferable.
80%+ is some VT A&S majors, not JMU.
And now who’s lying? I’ve never posted about “my WM kid and my Grinnell kid” because my younger kid goes to a Grinnell peer school, not Grinnell. Protecting my kids’ privacy by conflating Grinnell/Macalaster/Kenyon/Davidson, etc seemed like a good call, because these SLACs are so small and you seem unhinged.
There are no VT A&S majors with an 80% acceptance rate. None. When you learn how to read the data correctly (remember, 23-24!), you will see how ridiculous you look. And you have posted umpteen times about your W&M and SLAC kids. Yawn. This is too easy.
Well, that’s a lie. 3 minutes of poking around showed that German, Russian and Consumer Science all admit >80%.
Anonymous wrote:Op here. It is a tougher choice than I would have thought. If we were just looking at academic reputation in a vacuum, Colby is an easy choice. But it is also big vs. small school, isolated vs. close-enough to other things/big town. I am a bit of a reputation-snob myself but even I am struggling with advising DC. What they want as a major is offered at both. Sport would offer a friend-group at both.
The differential in acceptance rates tells you everything you need to know. If location was an issue, why did DC apply to Colby?!?
What does acceptance rate tell us?
It tells you something about the quality of the student body. JMU’s acceptance rate is over 80 percent. Colby’s is below 10 percent. The SAT/ACT and GPA figures are vastly different too.
JMU is much larger, so acceptance rate is an ineffective comparison tool. Acceptance rates can also be gamed in an effort to manipulate rankings.
You can’t be this ignorant. What does the size of the school have to do with its acceptance rate? JMU’s acceptance rate is 78%. Colby’s is under 10%.
In terms of size, Cornell University has about 5K kids in its 2027 class which is the same number as JMU’s class of 2027. Cornell’s acceptance rate is 8%. Please explain how acceptance rates are gamed to account for a 70 point difference.
JMU accepts more students than Colby to fill a larger class. Cornell receives more apps than JMU which means it wins a popularity contest with JMU. None of this equates to quality of student body as you suggest.
Oh, boy! You seem to be missing some basic analytical skills. By the same argument, JMU is as good as Harvard or Yale. Anyway, I give up…
Nope, not what I said. Do you have any evidence that acceptance rates equate to student body quality?
You are correct that acceptance rates are not an indicator of student body quality. But GPAs and test scorers are (though not perfect), and those show that Colby students are definitely a cut above those at JMU.
There's high level of correlation between acceptance rate and student body quality.
Where is your proof?
It also depends what you consider quality. The wealthy strivers who went to private schools but didn't do well enough to get into an Ivy or Williams or Bowdoin, but whose connections will continue to find them high paying jobs once they graduate from Colby. Or the hard-working MC and UMC kids who lived well-rounded lives throughou their childhoods, working hard enough to get merit aid for JMU, while making friends and living a balanced life, surrounded by beautiful mountains, excellent sports teams, and thousands and thousands of other students around which to build a network.
In VA, Hard-working MC and UMC kids who lived well-rounded lives throughout their childhoods, working hard while making friends and living a balanced life, surrounded by beautiful mountains, excellent sports teams, and thousands and thousands of other students around which to build a network
go to UVA, W&M, or VT.
Why does it matter if there are “mountains” that someone can see. They don’t add anything to the college experience as they do at CU Boulder or University of Utah.
They are just big hills off in the distance that nobody cares about.
Colby has some actual mountains where you might actually ski and enjoy them if that factors into someone’s decision.
You can ski in VA and WV within an hour or less of JMU.
Crap mid Atlantic skiing…especially in VA. Also, it’s more like 2.5 hours away to snowshoe or Canaan. Bryce is pretty awful skiing.
Colby is only 1 hour from Sugarloaf which is 100x better than anything in the mid Atlantic.
My only point is that if being near mountains or skiing is important…well you again would probably go out West…but Colby offers much better options than JMU.
That is your opinion. If a kid wants to ski Wintergreen Resort is close to JMU.
Did OP even say her kid cared about skiing? Because “come to JMU and be near great skiing” is a strange (and not particularly honest) flex. Lots of things to recommend JMU. Skiing is like #987 on the list.
Again, it would be great if you'd do a little research before posting. You are so far off the mark, it's kind of funny. No one is claiming JMU is equivalent to Colorado or Utah for skiing, but for a lot of people, being 20 minutes away from a fun day on the slopes is a huge plus.
I don’t know. Seems to me that trying to convince OP to send her kid to JMU over a much stronger school *because skiing* shows a lack of research (or more accurately reading the OP or reading the thread…), since OP has given zero indication that her kid wants to ski. You’re so busy trying to convince yourself that sending your kid to the 5th or 6th best 3rd tier VA state college wasn’t a mistake because for 2-3 weeks starting in late January— SKIING! and that a 3rd tier regional school can compete with an NEASCAC that you are throwing everything you can find against the wall and hoping something sticks.
Skiing ain’t it. I’m well aware that it is possible to ski a few weeks a year in VA. But I’m not delusional, so I also know there is better skiing and a much longer season in Maine. Also, I read the thread, so I know that OP’s kid isn’t choosing a college based on the skiing or lack thereof. Which makes your insistence on proving the superiority of JMU skiing both irrelevant and bizarre.
OP asked about athletics, name recognition and outcomes. You responded with post after post insisting :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: that VA has better skiing than Maine. Which is both untrue and completely irrelevant to OP’s post.
And remind me. How many weeks of ski weather has VA had this winter? Last weekend was beautiful. Today is low 40s. Next weekend is projected to be low 40s. Kids aren’t even back at school for several weeks. How many ski weekends will JMU have this year? 1? 2?
You seem bizarrely triggered. Must be because you're trying to convince yourself that throwing hundreds of thousands of dollars away on a school that 99% of Americans have never heard of was a good move. At any rate, I'm not trying to convince OP to choose JMU over Colby - or any other school, for that matter. As you say, the OP never mentioned skiing at all. But someone did, and that's the direction the thread has gone ever since.
You have been insistent that there is no skiing anywhere near JMU and that it's just ludicrous to suggest otherwise. You were completely wrong about that, so I've helpfully provided you links, showing that not only is there skiing within a 20-minute drive of JMU, there are also several ski and snowboard-based clubs/teams on campus.
I'm not interested in this sad little pissing match you seem invested in, between ski options at JMU vs. Colby. I *never* said Virginia has better skiing than Maine. My posts have been in direct response to YOU insisting that JMU has no skiing to speak of. That's it. You were wrong. You can slink away now and continue fuming about whatever it is you categorize as "3rd tier schools" while knowing in the back of your mind that the vast majority of people don't care about - and probably have never heard of - some obscure little college in a tiny, rinky-dink Maine town.
My kid isn’t at Colby. Donut hole family and all that. She’s at WM. Never been to Colby. Don’t care about Colby. Didn’t apply to Colby. I just think the obsession with proving JMU isn’t a meh school because it’s near skiing is amusing.
That said, if we had unlimited money and in April it had come down to JMU vs Colby— how is that even a contest? (especially since my kid doesn’t care about skiing). Huge classes at a school with a very high acceptance rate, that half the kids you knew in HS attend seems really awful.
Oh, I see. This is more of just a bash JMU session for you. FYI, average class size at JMU is 25 students, with a 17:1 student/faculty ratio. 89% of class have fewer than 50 students. And "half the kids in HS"? :lol: Your posts are becoming more and more hyperbolic and farcical.
You must have been the poster who was touting the "sailing team" at WM. Quite a draw!
Again with insulting the wrong person. I had no idea WM had a sailing team. Also, I’m not the person who started in on Colby and skiing. It’s almost like more than 2 people are posting. For someone who insists people follow anonymous posters, you’re doing a terrible job of it.
And this was just an amusing thread until someone started bashing Colby. But, as it happens, I attended a SLAC. So did DH. So does our non-WM kid (although Grinnell with merit aid, not an NESCAC). So even if I have no connection to Colby, I know it’s a well respected school and I strongly believe in a. SLAC style education. If JMU boosters want to take there 80%+ acceptance rate and dish it out, then they can take it. Because deep down, they know that if their kid could have gotten into a better state college or paid to go private, they would have.
Irony.
:lol:
Seriously. This person has one of the biggest chips on her shoulders I've seen in a long time. She keeps posting false stats, making no effort to actually post the correct numbers (78% is not 80+). She's also posted MANY times on other threads about her WM kid and her Grinnell kid. Tiresome and insufferable.
80%+ is some VT A&S majors, not JMU.
And now who’s lying? I’ve never posted about “my WM kid and my Grinnell kid” because my younger kid goes to a Grinnell peer school, not Grinnell. Protecting my kids’ privacy by conflating Grinnell/Macalaster/Kenyon/Davidson, etc seemed like a good call, because these SLACs are so small and you seem unhinged.
There are no VT A&S majors with an 80% acceptance rate. None. When you learn how to read the data correctly (remember, 23-24!), you will see how ridiculous you look. And you have posted umpteen times about your W&M and SLAC kids. Yawn. This is too easy.
Well, that’s a lie. 3 minutes of poking around showed that German, Russian and Consumer Science all admit >80%.
DP- 3 majors that are statistically insignificant
No, it probably isn’t statistically significant. Although I only looked at a couple departments. There could be more. And Imwouldnt have even done that, except nasty dude posted this:
There are no VT A&S majors with an 80% acceptance rate. None. When you learn how to read the data correctly (remember, 23-24!), you will see how ridiculous you look
Well, as it turns out, , there are some A&S majors with admit rates above 80%. Not None. PP, who has also called me a moron and an idiot in an earlier post, wants to be nasty and insulting and resort to name calling and taunting, he should at least check his data before doing so.
Anonymous wrote:Op here. It is a tougher choice than I would have thought. If we were just looking at academic reputation in a vacuum, Colby is an easy choice. But it is also big vs. small school, isolated vs. close-enough to other things/big town. I am a bit of a reputation-snob myself but even I am struggling with advising DC. What they want as a major is offered at both. Sport would offer a friend-group at both.
The differential in acceptance rates tells you everything you need to know. If location was an issue, why did DC apply to Colby?!?
What does acceptance rate tell us?
It tells you something about the quality of the student body. JMU’s acceptance rate is over 80 percent. Colby’s is below 10 percent. The SAT/ACT and GPA figures are vastly different too.
JMU is much larger, so acceptance rate is an ineffective comparison tool. Acceptance rates can also be gamed in an effort to manipulate rankings.
You can’t be this ignorant. What does the size of the school have to do with its acceptance rate? JMU’s acceptance rate is 78%. Colby’s is under 10%.
In terms of size, Cornell University has about 5K kids in its 2027 class which is the same number as JMU’s class of 2027. Cornell’s acceptance rate is 8%. Please explain how acceptance rates are gamed to account for a 70 point difference.
JMU accepts more students than Colby to fill a larger class. Cornell receives more apps than JMU which means it wins a popularity contest with JMU. None of this equates to quality of student body as you suggest.
Oh, boy! You seem to be missing some basic analytical skills. By the same argument, JMU is as good as Harvard or Yale. Anyway, I give up…
Nope, not what I said. Do you have any evidence that acceptance rates equate to student body quality?
You are correct that acceptance rates are not an indicator of student body quality. But GPAs and test scorers are (though not perfect), and those show that Colby students are definitely a cut above those at JMU.
There's high level of correlation between acceptance rate and student body quality.
Where is your proof?
It also depends what you consider quality. The wealthy strivers who went to private schools but didn't do well enough to get into an Ivy or Williams or Bowdoin, but whose connections will continue to find them high paying jobs once they graduate from Colby. Or the hard-working MC and UMC kids who lived well-rounded lives throughou their childhoods, working hard enough to get merit aid for JMU, while making friends and living a balanced life, surrounded by beautiful mountains, excellent sports teams, and thousands and thousands of other students around which to build a network.
In VA, Hard-working MC and UMC kids who lived well-rounded lives throughout their childhoods, working hard while making friends and living a balanced life, surrounded by beautiful mountains, excellent sports teams, and thousands and thousands of other students around which to build a network
go to UVA, W&M, or VT.
Why does it matter if there are “mountains” that someone can see. They don’t add anything to the college experience as they do at CU Boulder or University of Utah.
They are just big hills off in the distance that nobody cares about.
Colby has some actual mountains where you might actually ski and enjoy them if that factors into someone’s decision.
You can ski in VA and WV within an hour or less of JMU.
Crap mid Atlantic skiing…especially in VA. Also, it’s more like 2.5 hours away to snowshoe or Canaan. Bryce is pretty awful skiing.
Colby is only 1 hour from Sugarloaf which is 100x better than anything in the mid Atlantic.
My only point is that if being near mountains or skiing is important…well you again would probably go out West…but Colby offers much better options than JMU.
That is your opinion. If a kid wants to ski Wintergreen Resort is close to JMU.
Did OP even say her kid cared about skiing? Because “come to JMU and be near great skiing” is a strange (and not particularly honest) flex. Lots of things to recommend JMU. Skiing is like #987 on the list.
Again, it would be great if you'd do a little research before posting. You are so far off the mark, it's kind of funny. No one is claiming JMU is equivalent to Colorado or Utah for skiing, but for a lot of people, being 20 minutes away from a fun day on the slopes is a huge plus.
I don’t know. Seems to me that trying to convince OP to send her kid to JMU over a much stronger school *because skiing* shows a lack of research (or more accurately reading the OP or reading the thread…), since OP has given zero indication that her kid wants to ski. You’re so busy trying to convince yourself that sending your kid to the 5th or 6th best 3rd tier VA state college wasn’t a mistake because for 2-3 weeks starting in late January— SKIING! and that a 3rd tier regional school can compete with an NEASCAC that you are throwing everything you can find against the wall and hoping something sticks.
Skiing ain’t it. I’m well aware that it is possible to ski a few weeks a year in VA. But I’m not delusional, so I also know there is better skiing and a much longer season in Maine. Also, I read the thread, so I know that OP’s kid isn’t choosing a college based on the skiing or lack thereof. Which makes your insistence on proving the superiority of JMU skiing both irrelevant and bizarre.
OP asked about athletics, name recognition and outcomes. You responded with post after post insisting :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: that VA has better skiing than Maine. Which is both untrue and completely irrelevant to OP’s post.
And remind me. How many weeks of ski weather has VA had this winter? Last weekend was beautiful. Today is low 40s. Next weekend is projected to be low 40s. Kids aren’t even back at school for several weeks. How many ski weekends will JMU have this year? 1? 2?
You seem bizarrely triggered. Must be because you're trying to convince yourself that throwing hundreds of thousands of dollars away on a school that 99% of Americans have never heard of was a good move. At any rate, I'm not trying to convince OP to choose JMU over Colby - or any other school, for that matter. As you say, the OP never mentioned skiing at all. But someone did, and that's the direction the thread has gone ever since.
You have been insistent that there is no skiing anywhere near JMU and that it's just ludicrous to suggest otherwise. You were completely wrong about that, so I've helpfully provided you links, showing that not only is there skiing within a 20-minute drive of JMU, there are also several ski and snowboard-based clubs/teams on campus.
I'm not interested in this sad little pissing match you seem invested in, between ski options at JMU vs. Colby. I *never* said Virginia has better skiing than Maine. My posts have been in direct response to YOU insisting that JMU has no skiing to speak of. That's it. You were wrong. You can slink away now and continue fuming about whatever it is you categorize as "3rd tier schools" while knowing in the back of your mind that the vast majority of people don't care about - and probably have never heard of - some obscure little college in a tiny, rinky-dink Maine town.
My kid isn’t at Colby. Donut hole family and all that. She’s at WM. Never been to Colby. Don’t care about Colby. Didn’t apply to Colby. I just think the obsession with proving JMU isn’t a meh school because it’s near skiing is amusing.
That said, if we had unlimited money and in April it had come down to JMU vs Colby— how is that even a contest? (especially since my kid doesn’t care about skiing). Huge classes at a school with a very high acceptance rate, that half the kids you knew in HS attend seems really awful.
Oh, I see. This is more of just a bash JMU session for you. FYI, average class size at JMU is 25 students, with a 17:1 student/faculty ratio. 89% of class have fewer than 50 students. And "half the kids in HS"? :lol: Your posts are becoming more and more hyperbolic and farcical.
You must have been the poster who was touting the "sailing team" at WM. Quite a draw!
Again with insulting the wrong person. I had no idea WM had a sailing team. Also, I’m not the person who started in on Colby and skiing. It’s almost like more than 2 people are posting. For someone who insists people follow anonymous posters, you’re doing a terrible job of it.
And this was just an amusing thread until someone started bashing Colby. But, as it happens, I attended a SLAC. So did DH. So does our non-WM kid (although Grinnell with merit aid, not an NESCAC). So even if I have no connection to Colby, I know it’s a well respected school and I strongly believe in a. SLAC style education. If JMU boosters want to take there 80%+ acceptance rate and dish it out, then they can take it. Because deep down, they know that if their kid could have gotten into a better state college or paid to go private, they would have.
Irony.
:lol:
Seriously. This person has one of the biggest chips on her shoulders I've seen in a long time. She keeps posting false stats, making no effort to actually post the correct numbers (78% is not 80+). She's also posted MANY times on other threads about her WM kid and her Grinnell kid. Tiresome and insufferable.
80%+ is some VT A&S majors, not JMU.
And now who’s lying? I’ve never posted about “my WM kid and my Grinnell kid” because my younger kid goes to a Grinnell peer school, not Grinnell. Protecting my kids’ privacy by conflating Grinnell/Macalaster/Kenyon/Davidson, etc seemed like a good call, because these SLACs are so small and you seem unhinged.
There are no VT A&S majors with an 80% acceptance rate. None. When you learn how to read the data correctly (remember, 23-24!), you will see how ridiculous you look. And you have posted umpteen times about your W&M and SLAC kids. Yawn. This is too easy.
Well, that’s a lie. 3 minutes of poking around showed that German, Russian and Consumer Science all admit >80%.
DP- 3 majors that are statistically insignificant
No, it probably isn’t statistically significant. Although I only looked at a couple departments. There could be more. And Imwouldnt have even done that, except nasty dude posted this:
There are no VT A&S majors with an 80% acceptance rate. None. When you learn how to read the data correctly (remember, 23-24!), you will see how ridiculous you look
Well, as it turns out, , there are some A&S majors with admit rates above 80%. Not None. PP, who has also called me a moron and an idiot in an earlier post, wants to be nasty and insulting and resort to name calling and taunting, he should at least check his data before doing so.
But did you manage to use the correct 23-24 data this time? Weren't you the one who was berating others for supposedly using "incomplete" data, when it was actually you who was using the wrong year? Did you ever apologize for trying to make others look stupid when it was you who made the mistake?
DP
Anonymous wrote:Op here. It is a tougher choice than I would have thought. If we were just looking at academic reputation in a vacuum, Colby is an easy choice. But it is also big vs. small school, isolated vs. close-enough to other things/big town. I am a bit of a reputation-snob myself but even I am struggling with advising DC. What they want as a major is offered at both. Sport would offer a friend-group at both.
The differential in acceptance rates tells you everything you need to know. If location was an issue, why did DC apply to Colby?!?
What does acceptance rate tell us?
It tells you something about the quality of the student body. JMU’s acceptance rate is over 80 percent. Colby’s is below 10 percent. The SAT/ACT and GPA figures are vastly different too.
JMU is much larger, so acceptance rate is an ineffective comparison tool. Acceptance rates can also be gamed in an effort to manipulate rankings.
You can’t be this ignorant. What does the size of the school have to do with its acceptance rate? JMU’s acceptance rate is 78%. Colby’s is under 10%.
In terms of size, Cornell University has about 5K kids in its 2027 class which is the same number as JMU’s class of 2027. Cornell’s acceptance rate is 8%. Please explain how acceptance rates are gamed to account for a 70 point difference.
JMU accepts more students than Colby to fill a larger class. Cornell receives more apps than JMU which means it wins a popularity contest with JMU. None of this equates to quality of student body as you suggest.
Oh, boy! You seem to be missing some basic analytical skills. By the same argument, JMU is as good as Harvard or Yale. Anyway, I give up…
Nope, not what I said. Do you have any evidence that acceptance rates equate to student body quality?
You are correct that acceptance rates are not an indicator of student body quality. But GPAs and test scorers are (though not perfect), and those show that Colby students are definitely a cut above those at JMU.
There's high level of correlation between acceptance rate and student body quality.
Where is your proof?
It also depends what you consider quality. The wealthy strivers who went to private schools but didn't do well enough to get into an Ivy or Williams or Bowdoin, but whose connections will continue to find them high paying jobs once they graduate from Colby. Or the hard-working MC and UMC kids who lived well-rounded lives throughou their childhoods, working hard enough to get merit aid for JMU, while making friends and living a balanced life, surrounded by beautiful mountains, excellent sports teams, and thousands and thousands of other students around which to build a network.
In VA, Hard-working MC and UMC kids who lived well-rounded lives throughout their childhoods, working hard while making friends and living a balanced life, surrounded by beautiful mountains, excellent sports teams, and thousands and thousands of other students around which to build a network
go to UVA, W&M, or VT.
NP. True. But they also go to JMU. (And W&M is nowhere near any mountains, nor does it have excellent sports teams.)
My DD chose JMU over VT. Her friends dorm room was full of mold upon move in at VT.
Hopefully, your DD is in some form of humanities, and not STEM.
DP. Both JMU and VT are excellent for humanities. Only 20% of VT is engineering. Try again.
Sure, but engineering, plus some related things like CS and Business information systems are the competitive programs at VT. VT Arts and Sciences is … not strong.
Liberal Arts and Human Sciences at VT actually is quite strong. Interesting that you would suggest otherwise. But not surprising.
Hmm. When you run through the majors, pure humanities, like English and modern language have a 75%-85% admit rate. Given that the strongest humanities students are applying to UVAWM or even JMU, UMW, CNU, acceptance rates that high don’t scream “quite strong”. More like “has a pulse”.
So in addition to bashing JMU, you're now bashing Virginia Tech, and lying to boot. What a truly charming person you are.
The reason you don’t use the 23-24 acceptance rate is because VT just released the first EA acceptances of the 23-24 application season and they haven’t even hit the 24 part of 23-24. In fact, they don’t even have all the applications in for 23-24 in yet. You are looking at a snapshot of this moment, when fewer than 25% of decisions been made and released. Even VT has no idea what the rate will end up being for 23-24. Go back to the last year there was complete data.
Anonymous wrote:Op here. It is a tougher choice than I would have thought. If we were just looking at academic reputation in a vacuum, Colby is an easy choice. But it is also big vs. small school, isolated vs. close-enough to other things/big town. I am a bit of a reputation-snob myself but even I am struggling with advising DC. What they want as a major is offered at both. Sport would offer a friend-group at both.
The differential in acceptance rates tells you everything you need to know. If location was an issue, why did DC apply to Colby?!?
What does acceptance rate tell us?
It tells you something about the quality of the student body. JMU’s acceptance rate is over 80 percent. Colby’s is below 10 percent. The SAT/ACT and GPA figures are vastly different too.
JMU is much larger, so acceptance rate is an ineffective comparison tool. Acceptance rates can also be gamed in an effort to manipulate rankings.
You can’t be this ignorant. What does the size of the school have to do with its acceptance rate? JMU’s acceptance rate is 78%. Colby’s is under 10%.
In terms of size, Cornell University has about 5K kids in its 2027 class which is the same number as JMU’s class of 2027. Cornell’s acceptance rate is 8%. Please explain how acceptance rates are gamed to account for a 70 point difference.
JMU accepts more students than Colby to fill a larger class. Cornell receives more apps than JMU which means it wins a popularity contest with JMU. None of this equates to quality of student body as you suggest.
Oh, boy! You seem to be missing some basic analytical skills. By the same argument, JMU is as good as Harvard or Yale. Anyway, I give up…
Nope, not what I said. Do you have any evidence that acceptance rates equate to student body quality?
You are correct that acceptance rates are not an indicator of student body quality. But GPAs and test scorers are (though not perfect), and those show that Colby students are definitely a cut above those at JMU.
There's high level of correlation between acceptance rate and student body quality.
Where is your proof?
It also depends what you consider quality. The wealthy strivers who went to private schools but didn't do well enough to get into an Ivy or Williams or Bowdoin, but whose connections will continue to find them high paying jobs once they graduate from Colby. Or the hard-working MC and UMC kids who lived well-rounded lives throughou their childhoods, working hard enough to get merit aid for JMU, while making friends and living a balanced life, surrounded by beautiful mountains, excellent sports teams, and thousands and thousands of other students around which to build a network.
In VA, Hard-working MC and UMC kids who lived well-rounded lives throughout their childhoods, working hard while making friends and living a balanced life, surrounded by beautiful mountains, excellent sports teams, and thousands and thousands of other students around which to build a network
go to UVA, W&M, or VT.
Anonymous wrote:Op here. It is a tougher choice than I would have thought. If we were just looking at academic reputation in a vacuum, Colby is an easy choice. But it is also big vs. small school, isolated vs. close-enough to other things/big town. I am a bit of a reputation-snob myself but even I am struggling with advising DC. What they want as a major is offered at both. Sport would offer a friend-group at both.
The differential in acceptance rates tells you everything you need to know. If location was an issue, why did DC apply to Colby?!?
What does acceptance rate tell us?
It tells you something about the quality of the student body. JMU’s acceptance rate is over 80 percent. Colby’s is below 10 percent. The SAT/ACT and GPA figures are vastly different too.
JMU is much larger, so acceptance rate is an ineffective comparison tool. Acceptance rates can also be gamed in an effort to manipulate rankings.
You can’t be this ignorant. What does the size of the school have to do with its acceptance rate? JMU’s acceptance rate is 78%. Colby’s is under 10%.
In terms of size, Cornell University has about 5K kids in its 2027 class which is the same number as JMU’s class of 2027. Cornell’s acceptance rate is 8%. Please explain how acceptance rates are gamed to account for a 70 point difference.
JMU accepts more students than Colby to fill a larger class. Cornell receives more apps than JMU which means it wins a popularity contest with JMU. None of this equates to quality of student body as you suggest.
Oh, boy! You seem to be missing some basic analytical skills. By the same argument, JMU is as good as Harvard or Yale. Anyway, I give up…
Nope, not what I said. Do you have any evidence that acceptance rates equate to student body quality?
You are correct that acceptance rates are not an indicator of student body quality. But GPAs and test scorers are (though not perfect), and those show that Colby students are definitely a cut above those at JMU.
There's high level of correlation between acceptance rate and student body quality.
Where is your proof?
It also depends what you consider quality. The wealthy strivers who went to private schools but didn't do well enough to get into an Ivy or Williams or Bowdoin, but whose connections will continue to find them high paying jobs once they graduate from Colby. Or the hard-working MC and UMC kids who lived well-rounded lives throughou their childhoods, working hard enough to get merit aid for JMU, while making friends and living a balanced life, surrounded by beautiful mountains, excellent sports teams, and thousands and thousands of other students around which to build a network.
In VA, Hard-working MC and UMC kids who lived well-rounded lives throughout their childhoods, working hard while making friends and living a balanced life, surrounded by beautiful mountains, excellent sports teams, and thousands and thousands of other students around which to build a network
go to UVA, W&M, or VT.
Why does it matter if there are “mountains” that someone can see. They don’t add anything to the college experience as they do at CU Boulder or University of Utah.
They are just big hills off in the distance that nobody cares about.
Colby has some actual mountains where you might actually ski and enjoy them if that factors into someone’s decision.
You can ski in VA and WV within an hour or less of JMU.
Crap mid Atlantic skiing…especially in VA. Also, it’s more like 2.5 hours away to snowshoe or Canaan. Bryce is pretty awful skiing.
Colby is only 1 hour from Sugarloaf which is 100x better than anything in the mid Atlantic.
My only point is that if being near mountains or skiing is important…well you again would probably go out West…but Colby offers much better options than JMU.
That is your opinion. If a kid wants to ski Wintergreen Resort is close to JMU.
Did OP even say her kid cared about skiing? Because “come to JMU and be near great skiing” is a strange (and not particularly honest) flex. Lots of things to recommend JMU. Skiing is like #987 on the list.
Again, it would be great if you'd do a little research before posting. You are so far off the mark, it's kind of funny. No one is claiming JMU is equivalent to Colorado or Utah for skiing, but for a lot of people, being 20 minutes away from a fun day on the slopes is a huge plus.
I don’t know. Seems to me that trying to convince OP to send her kid to JMU over a much stronger school *because skiing* shows a lack of research (or more accurately reading the OP or reading the thread…), since OP has given zero indication that her kid wants to ski. You’re so busy trying to convince yourself that sending your kid to the 5th or 6th best 3rd tier VA state college wasn’t a mistake because for 2-3 weeks starting in late January— SKIING! and that a 3rd tier regional school can compete with an NEASCAC that you are throwing everything you can find against the wall and hoping something sticks.
Skiing ain’t it. I’m well aware that it is possible to ski a few weeks a year in VA. But I’m not delusional, so I also know there is better skiing and a much longer season in Maine. Also, I read the thread, so I know that OP’s kid isn’t choosing a college based on the skiing or lack thereof. Which makes your insistence on proving the superiority of JMU skiing both irrelevant and bizarre.
OP asked about athletics, name recognition and outcomes. You responded with post after post insisting :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: that VA has better skiing than Maine. Which is both untrue and completely irrelevant to OP’s post.
And remind me. How many weeks of ski weather has VA had this winter? Last weekend was beautiful. Today is low 40s. Next weekend is projected to be low 40s. Kids aren’t even back at school for several weeks. How many ski weekends will JMU have this year? 1? 2?
You seem bizarrely triggered. Must be because you're trying to convince yourself that throwing hundreds of thousands of dollars away on a school that 99% of Americans have never heard of was a good move. At any rate, I'm not trying to convince OP to choose JMU over Colby - or any other school, for that matter. As you say, the OP never mentioned skiing at all. But someone did, and that's the direction the thread has gone ever since.
You have been insistent that there is no skiing anywhere near JMU and that it's just ludicrous to suggest otherwise. You were completely wrong about that, so I've helpfully provided you links, showing that not only is there skiing within a 20-minute drive of JMU, there are also several ski and snowboard-based clubs/teams on campus.
I'm not interested in this sad little pissing match you seem invested in, between ski options at JMU vs. Colby. I *never* said Virginia has better skiing than Maine. My posts have been in direct response to YOU insisting that JMU has no skiing to speak of. That's it. You were wrong. You can slink away now and continue fuming about whatever it is you categorize as "3rd tier schools" while knowing in the back of your mind that the vast majority of people don't care about - and probably have never heard of - some obscure little college in a tiny, rinky-dink Maine town.
My kid isn’t at Colby. Donut hole family and all that. She’s at WM. Never been to Colby. Don’t care about Colby. Didn’t apply to Colby. I just think the obsession with proving JMU isn’t a meh school because it’s near skiing is amusing.
That said, if we had unlimited money and in April it had come down to JMU vs Colby— how is that even a contest? (especially since my kid doesn’t care about skiing). Huge classes at a school with a very high acceptance rate, that half the kids you knew in HS attend seems really awful.
Oh, I see. This is more of just a bash JMU session for you. FYI, average class size at JMU is 25 students, with a 17:1 student/faculty ratio. 89% of class have fewer than 50 students. And "half the kids in HS"? :lol: Your posts are becoming more and more hyperbolic and farcical.
You must have been the poster who was touting the "sailing team" at WM. Quite a draw!
Again with insulting the wrong person. I had no idea WM had a sailing team. Also, I’m not the person who started in on Colby and skiing. It’s almost like more than 2 people are posting. For someone who insists people follow anonymous posters, you’re doing a terrible job of it.
And this was just an amusing thread until someone started bashing Colby. But, as it happens, I attended a SLAC. So did DH. So does our non-WM kid (although Grinnell with merit aid, not an NESCAC). So even if I have no connection to Colby, I know it’s a well respected school and I strongly believe in a. SLAC style education. If JMU boosters want to take there 80%+ acceptance rate and dish it out, then they can take it. Because deep down, they know that if their kid could have gotten into a better state college or paid to go private, they would have.
Early 90s JMU grad here with one kid at Georgetown and another at a very academic NESCAC (don't want to give too much away). Knowing what I learned of Colby through the process for both my kids, based on the types of students who choose Colby and its location, I would pick JMU over Colby. I know it's counterintuitive, but the school is just way too small to be able to tolerate the negatives for four years. It's inescapable. Even the school my NESCAC kid is at is starting to feel too small after a year and half, and it is, let's just say, a notch above Colby.
Op here. WOW this post went on a tangent. As I said, I am a reputation snob myself but can’t quite get on board with Colby. I went to HYSP. My DC is not the same kind of student. Colby is sexy because it is undoubtedly a good school. DC got into some 50-100 USNWR already but the offers to play sport are only at those two. I just worry about the isolation, size and cold. And maybe DC would do better at JMU.
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