Woodson Renaming?

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Anonymous wrote:The renaming is a done deal even though it seems like the majority people didn’t want it.

It’s was a done deal when this school board was elected.

So Let’s move on.

What’s the next FCPS school to be renamed?

What SB candidates want to continue to rename schools of racist people?

I'm all for renaming all of them. No children of color should be forced to go to schools named for racists and segregationists. PERIOD.

In that case, TJ should be renamed ASAP. Far more egregious than Woodson.

Totally different cases. TJ was a Founding Father from the 1700s. W.T. Woodson is an old man of little consequence who was still a racist in the 1980s.

You are right, it is a totally different case.
TJ was a known and proud slave owner who reportedly raped his slaves and fathered unwanted children with them
W.T. Woodson was an old man who served the community that researchers had to dig deep to find an obscure letter where he wanted to delay desegregation, but then ultimately oversaw the successful integration of the school district.

I realize this is the official line among some loons but do you actually believe any of this? Has reason failed you to such an extent?

So what is the reality to believe?

Are you disputing that TJ owned slaves? It is well documented that he was a proud southern plantation owner who owned quite a few slaves. The rape and fathering of children? Fine, we don't have to get hung up on that. But I don't think it is loony to believe TJ was a slave owner. That is a solid fact. So, according to the criteria outlined above, it should therefore disqualify him from having a public institution, and especially a school, named after him. Being a Founding Father and primary author of the Declaration of Independence doesn't absolve him. It didn't for Madison.

As for Woodson, whether he was a racist or not, he oversaw the integration of the school district. So, assuming he was a racist, he set his privately held personal beliefs aside and did the right thing. Is being a long serving superintendent grounds to have a school named after yourself? I don't know. But to claim the name of the school has racist roots is disingenuous at best. We aren't talking about the naming of institutions for Lee and other Confederates in an attempt to create an underlying racist tone as was done in the 50's and 60's. Renaming those schools, streets, etc., is justified.

Just be honest with the motivation and rationale. Rename, or don't rename. But if the standard is no racist, no slave owner, so that no POC should have to enter a school building named after such a historical figure, then apply it consistently.

Are you stupid or something? No one disputes this. And I'm laughing at those of you using him as an example while utterly refusing to concede why changing Jefferson's name on things will ever happen. Should it as a matter of principle? I would say yes. But as the stature he has in this country is the one of the most revered, it's just not happening. You know this. I suspect you're just trying to bait people into trying to remove him from things so YOU can score cultural or political points. But, it isn't happening in any sort of real or mainstream way. Sorry.

DP, but you do know that you are completely full of crap, right?

FCCPS already renamed a school named after Thomas Jefferson. He was just as "revered" then as now (perhaps even more so).

No reason for it not to happen eventually in FCPS as well. His historic transgressions make W.T. Woodson look like a saint.

Full of crap for pointing out TJ's status and why that is not happening (which is true). That's not crap, it's true. And, see bolded. The fact that a single school had the balls to do so is not indicative of any mainstream or significant movement to change names with TJ attached to them. Fact.

So one of us is full of crap but it's you.

The only reason they aren't changing the name of TJHSST is that the school is prestigious, and changing the name would be viewed by some as stripping the school of some of its prestige at a time when more non-Asian minorities are getting into the school. What shows how transactional this all tends to be.

By not admitting that, you're the one that's full of crap.

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Anonymous wrote:The renaming is a done deal even though it seems like the majority people didn’t want it.

It’s was a done deal when this school board was elected.

So Let’s move on.

What’s the next FCPS school to be renamed?

What SB candidates want to continue to rename schools of racist people?

I'm all for renaming all of them. No children of color should be forced to go to schools named for racists and segregationists. PERIOD.

In that case, TJ should be renamed ASAP. Far more egregious than Woodson.

Totally different cases. TJ was a Founding Father from the 1700s. W.T. Woodson is an old man of little consequence who was still a racist in the 1980s.

You are right, it is a totally different case.
TJ was a known and proud slave owner who reportedly raped his slaves and fathered unwanted children with them
W.T. Woodson was an old man who served the community that researchers had to dig deep to find an obscure letter where he wanted to delay desegregation, but then ultimately oversaw the successful integration of the school district.

I realize this is the official line among some loons but do you actually believe any of this? Has reason failed you to such an extent?

So what is the reality to believe?

Are you disputing that TJ owned slaves? It is well documented that he was a proud southern plantation owner who owned quite a few slaves. The rape and fathering of children? Fine, we don't have to get hung up on that. But I don't think it is loony to believe TJ was a slave owner. That is a solid fact. So, according to the criteria outlined above, it should therefore disqualify him from having a public institution, and especially a school, named after him. Being a Founding Father and primary author of the Declaration of Independence doesn't absolve him. It didn't for Madison.

As for Woodson, whether he was a racist or not, he oversaw the integration of the school district. So, assuming he was a racist, he set his privately held personal beliefs aside and did the right thing. Is being a long serving superintendent grounds to have a school named after yourself? I don't know. But to claim the name of the school has racist roots is disingenuous at best. We aren't talking about the naming of institutions for Lee and other Confederates in an attempt to create an underlying racist tone as was done in the 50's and 60's. Renaming those schools, streets, etc., is justified.

Just be honest with the motivation and rationale. Rename, or don't rename. But if the standard is no racist, no slave owner, so that no POC should have to enter a school building named after such a historical figure, then apply it consistently.

Are you stupid or something? No one disputes this. And I'm laughing at those of you using him as an example while utterly refusing to concede why changing Jefferson's name on things will ever happen. Should it as a matter of principle? I would say yes. But as the stature he has in this country is the one of the most revered, it's just not happening. You know this. I suspect you're just trying to bait people into trying to remove him from things so YOU can score cultural or political points. But, it isn't happening in any sort of real or mainstream way. Sorry.

DP, but you do know that you are completely full of crap, right?

FCCPS already renamed a school named after Thomas Jefferson. He was just as "revered" then as now (perhaps even more so).

No reason for it not to happen eventually in FCPS as well. His historic transgressions make W.T. Woodson look like a saint.

Full of crap for pointing out TJ's status and why that is not happening (which is true). That's not crap, it's true. And, see bolded. The fact that a single school had the balls to do so is not indicative of any mainstream or significant movement to change names with TJ attached to them. Fact.

So one of us is full of crap but it's you.

The only reason they aren't changing the name of TJHSST is that the school is prestigious, and changing the name would be viewed by some as stripping the school of some of its prestige at a time when more non-Asian minorities are getting into the school. What shows how transactional this all tends to be.

By not admitting that, you're the one that's full of crap.

The transactional nature of the entire school renaming issue is spot on!

WTW. The average person on the street has no idea who WT Woodson was and why the school was named after him. They just know it is a large HS in Fairfax County. Change the name because you find out he was racist? Sure, no problem.
TJ. Everyone in the country knows who TJ was. Name a school after him? Of course, makes total sense! He is a founding father! Oh, the TJ you are talking about is one of the top HSs in the nation? Even better! But, wait, didn't TJ own slaves? Over 600 of them? Yeah, but TJHSST is one of the top HSs in the nation. Oh, well, in that case, we should let the slave owner name on the high school slide. We'll get around to that name change later.

For the record, I have no problem with changing the name of either school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:At the meeting today, they noted that the public had narrowly voted against the name change. Therefore, the board voted to go forward with the name change, although they did not decide between renaming the school "Woodson" or "CG Woodson".

More performative nonsense. Money wasted for nothing.

None of this will help any student learn or teacher perform.

Vote out every current member of the School Board.

This. Ask any teacher if there are ways this money could be used to better educate our children, and the ideas would come pouring out. Or, better yet, the money could be spent to adequately compensate our teachers for what they are already doing. Instead, we are spending our money to make sure everyone sees how righteous we are. Get over yourselves. We can't undo the past and don't have the money to whitewash without taking from places it would be better spent. Taxpayer dollars are being spent on a political performance.

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They aren't going after schools. Birds are next: https://www.science.org/content/article/why-are-we-naming-birds-after-people-behind-plan-scrap-many-bird-names

[Anonymous]

Aren't *just* going after schools. More coffee please.

[Anonymous]

Another $1,000,000 wasted by FCPS’s school board.

VOTE REPUBLICAN!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The renaming is a done deal even though it seems like the majority people didn’t want it.

It’s was a done deal when this school board was elected.

So Let’s move on.

What’s the next FCPS school to be renamed?

What SB candidates want to continue to rename schools of racist people?

I'm all for renaming all of them. No children of color should be forced to go to schools named for racists and segregationists. PERIOD.

In that case, TJ should be renamed ASAP. Far more egregious than Woodson.

Totally different cases. TJ was a Founding Father from the 1700s. W.T. Woodson is an old man of little consequence who was still a racist in the 1980s.

You are right, it is a totally different case.
TJ was a known and proud slave owner who reportedly raped his slaves and fathered unwanted children with them
W.T. Woodson was an old man who served the community that researchers had to dig deep to find an obscure letter where he wanted to delay desegregation, but then ultimately oversaw the successful integration of the school district.

I realize this is the official line among some loons but do you actually believe any of this? Has reason failed you to such an extent?

So what is the reality to believe?

Are you disputing that TJ owned slaves? It is well documented that he was a proud southern plantation owner who owned quite a few slaves. The rape and fathering of children? Fine, we don't have to get hung up on that. But I don't think it is loony to believe TJ was a slave owner. That is a solid fact. So, according to the criteria outlined above, it should therefore disqualify him from having a public institution, and especially a school, named after him. Being a Founding Father and primary author of the Declaration of Independence doesn't absolve him. It didn't for Madison.

As for Woodson, whether he was a racist or not, he oversaw the integration of the school district. So, assuming he was a racist, he set his privately held personal beliefs aside and did the right thing. Is being a long serving superintendent grounds to have a school named after yourself? I don't know. But to claim the name of the school has racist roots is disingenuous at best. We aren't talking about the naming of institutions for Lee and other Confederates in an attempt to create an underlying racist tone as was done in the 50's and 60's. Renaming those schools, streets, etc., is justified.

Just be honest with the motivation and rationale. Rename, or don't rename. But if the standard is no racist, no slave owner, so that no POC should have to enter a school building named after such a historical figure, then apply it consistently.

Are you stupid or something? No one disputes this. And I'm laughing at those of you using him as an example while utterly refusing to concede why changing Jefferson's name on things will ever happen. Should it as a matter of principle? I would say yes. But as the stature he has in this country is the one of the most revered, it's just not happening. You know this. I suspect you're just trying to bait people into trying to remove him from things so YOU can score cultural or political points. But, it isn't happening in any sort of real or mainstream way. Sorry.

DP, but you do know that you are completely full of crap, right?

FCCPS already renamed a school named after Thomas Jefferson. He was just as "revered" then as now (perhaps even more so).

No reason for it not to happen eventually in FCPS as well. His historic transgressions make W.T. Woodson look like a saint.

Full of crap for pointing out TJ's status and why that is not happening (which is true). That's not crap, it's true. And, see bolded. The fact that a single school had the balls to do so is not indicative of any mainstream or significant movement to change names with TJ attached to them. Fact.

So one of us is full of crap but it's you.

The only reason they aren't changing the name of TJHSST is that the school is prestigious, and changing the name would be viewed by some as stripping the school of some of its prestige at a time when more non-Asian minorities are getting into the school. What shows how transactional this all tends to be.

By not admitting that, you're the one that's full of crap.

Um, no. Wearing that tin foil hat a bit tight, eh?

But even assuming your nonsense is true, so what? I'll take transactional (for now) if some of these names get changed. And if the low hanging fruit need to go before the bigwigs, so be it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The renaming is a done deal even though it seems like the majority people didn’t want it.

It’s was a done deal when this school board was elected.

So Let’s move on.

What’s the next FCPS school to be renamed?

What SB candidates want to continue to rename schools of racist people?

I'm all for renaming all of them. No children of color should be forced to go to schools named for racists and segregationists. PERIOD.

In that case, TJ should be renamed ASAP. Far more egregious than Woodson.

I would be fine with that. You want to get that started then?

I know you raised that as some sort of snarky or clever observation. But you know exactly why that won't happen: founding father, architect of the Declaration, Constitution, revered status in the annals of US history. That's why that is not changing any time soon. And Woodson is. He's an inconsequential person remembered for his bigotry.

Next.

That's a ridiculous assessment of this person's role in fcps schools. He isn't inconsequential at all. The person they are renaming it to is inconsequential to fcps.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The renaming is a done deal even though it seems like the majority people didn’t want it.

It’s was a done deal when this school board was elected.

So Let’s move on.

What’s the next FCPS school to be renamed?

What SB candidates want to continue to rename schools of racist people?

I'm all for renaming all of them. No children of color should be forced to go to schools named for racists and segregationists. PERIOD.

In that case, TJ should be renamed ASAP. Far more egregious than Woodson.

Totally different cases. TJ was a Founding Father from the 1700s. W.T. Woodson is an old man of little consequence who was still a racist in the 1980s.

You are right, it is a totally different case.
TJ was a known and proud slave owner who reportedly raped his slaves and fathered unwanted children with them
W.T. Woodson was an old man who served the community that researchers had to dig deep to find an obscure letter where he wanted to delay desegregation, but then ultimately oversaw the successful integration of the school district.

I realize this is the official line among some loons but do you actually believe any of this? Has reason failed you to such an extent?

So what is the reality to believe?

Are you disputing that TJ owned slaves? It is well documented that he was a proud southern plantation owner who owned quite a few slaves. The rape and fathering of children? Fine, we don't have to get hung up on that. But I don't think it is loony to believe TJ was a slave owner. That is a solid fact. So, according to the criteria outlined above, it should therefore disqualify him from having a public institution, and especially a school, named after him. Being a Founding Father and primary author of the Declaration of Independence doesn't absolve him. It didn't for Madison.

As for Woodson, whether he was a racist or not, he oversaw the integration of the school district. So, assuming he was a racist, he set his privately held personal beliefs aside and did the right thing. Is being a long serving superintendent grounds to have a school named after yourself? I don't know. But to claim the name of the school has racist roots is disingenuous at best. We aren't talking about the naming of institutions for Lee and other Confederates in an attempt to create an underlying racist tone as was done in the 50's and 60's. Renaming those schools, streets, etc., is justified.

Just be honest with the motivation and rationale. Rename, or don't rename. But if the standard is no racist, no slave owner, so that no POC should have to enter a school building named after such a historical figure, then apply it consistently.

Are you stupid or something? No one disputes this. And I'm laughing at those of you using him as an example while utterly refusing to concede why changing Jefferson's name on things will ever happen. Should it as a matter of principle? I would say yes. But as the stature he has in this country is the one of the most revered, it's just not happening. You know this. I suspect you're just trying to bait people into trying to remove him from things so YOU can score cultural or political points. But, it isn't happening in any sort of real or mainstream way. Sorry.

DP, but you do know that you are completely full of crap, right?

FCCPS already renamed a school named after Thomas Jefferson. He was just as "revered" then as now (perhaps even more so).

No reason for it not to happen eventually in FCPS as well. His historic transgressions make W.T. Woodson look like a saint.

Full of crap for pointing out TJ's status and why that is not happening (which is true). That's not crap, it's true. And, see bolded. The fact that a single school had the balls to do so is not indicative of any mainstream or significant movement to change names with TJ attached to them. Fact.

So one of us is full of crap but it's you.

The only reason they aren't changing the name of TJHSST is that the school is prestigious, and changing the name would be viewed by some as stripping the school of some of its prestige at a time when more non-Asian minorities are getting into the school. What shows how transactional this all tends to be.

By not admitting that, you're the one that's full of crap.

NP.

The reality is the current racist school board has repeatedly demonstrated its racism against Asian students in the county.

Vote these democrat bigots out of office!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The renaming is a done deal even though it seems like the majority people didn’t want it.

It’s was a done deal when this school board was elected.

So Let’s move on.

What’s the next FCPS school to be renamed?

What SB candidates want to continue to rename schools of racist people?

I'm all for renaming all of them. No children of color should be forced to go to schools named for racists and segregationists. PERIOD.

In that case, TJ should be renamed ASAP. Far more egregious than Woodson.

Totally different cases. TJ was a Founding Father from the 1700s. W.T. Woodson is an old man of little consequence who was still a racist in the 1980s.

You are right, it is a totally different case.
TJ was a known and proud slave owner who reportedly raped his slaves and fathered unwanted children with them
W.T. Woodson was an old man who served the community that researchers had to dig deep to find an obscure letter where he wanted to delay desegregation, but then ultimately oversaw the successful integration of the school district.

I realize this is the official line among some loons but do you actually believe any of this? Has reason failed you to such an extent?

So what is the reality to believe?

Are you disputing that TJ owned slaves? It is well documented that he was a proud southern plantation owner who owned quite a few slaves. The rape and fathering of children? Fine, we don't have to get hung up on that. But I don't think it is loony to believe TJ was a slave owner. That is a solid fact. So, according to the criteria outlined above, it should therefore disqualify him from having a public institution, and especially a school, named after him. Being a Founding Father and primary author of the Declaration of Independence doesn't absolve him. It didn't for Madison.

As for Woodson, whether he was a racist or not, he oversaw the integration of the school district. So, assuming he was a racist, he set his privately held personal beliefs aside and did the right thing. Is being a long serving superintendent grounds to have a school named after yourself? I don't know. But to claim the name of the school has racist roots is disingenuous at best. We aren't talking about the naming of institutions for Lee and other Confederates in an attempt to create an underlying racist tone as was done in the 50's and 60's. Renaming those schools, streets, etc., is justified.

Just be honest with the motivation and rationale. Rename, or don't rename. But if the standard is no racist, no slave owner, so that no POC should have to enter a school building named after such a historical figure, then apply it consistently.

Are you stupid or something? No one disputes this. And I'm laughing at those of you using him as an example while utterly refusing to concede why changing Jefferson's name on things will ever happen. Should it as a matter of principle? I would say yes. But as the stature he has in this country is the one of the most revered, it's just not happening. You know this. I suspect you're just trying to bait people into trying to remove him from things so YOU can score cultural or political points. But, it isn't happening in any sort of real or mainstream way. Sorry.

DP, but you do know that you are completely full of crap, right?

FCCPS already renamed a school named after Thomas Jefferson. He was just as "revered" then as now (perhaps even more so).

No reason for it not to happen eventually in FCPS as well. His historic transgressions make W.T. Woodson look like a saint.

Full of crap for pointing out TJ's status and why that is not happening (which is true). That's not crap, it's true. And, see bolded. The fact that a single school had the balls to do so is not indicative of any mainstream or significant movement to change names with TJ attached to them. Fact.

So one of us is full of crap but it's you.

The only reason they aren't changing the name of TJHSST is that the school is prestigious, and changing the name would be viewed by some as stripping the school of some of its prestige at a time when more non-Asian minorities are getting into the school. What shows how transactional this all tends to be.

By not admitting that, you're the one that's full of crap.

Um, no. Wearing that tin foil hat a bit tight, eh?

But even assuming your nonsense is true, so what? I'll take transactional (for now) if some of these names get changed. And if the low hanging fruit need to go before the bigwigs, so be it.

The School Board only grabs the low-hanging fruit. The bigwigs always go unscathed.

Incidentally, the plan is to rename WT Woodson on Thursday, but the School Board hasn't bothered to post the actual recommendation as to the new name yet.

Is this another situation where they want to wait until after an election to tip their hand or make a decision?

[Anonymous]

Another million dollars down the drain, while my kid sits in a moldy trailer all day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They aren't going after schools. Birds are next: https://www.science.org/content/article/why-are-we-naming-birds-after-people-behind-plan-scrap-many-bird-names

People will be next. I’m glad that I have an acceptable URM name.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They aren't going after schools. Birds are next: https://www.science.org/content/article/why-are-we-naming-birds-after-people-behind-plan-scrap-many-bird-names

People will be next. I’m glad that I have an acceptable URM name.

Yeah, lucky you. You don't want to feel the sadness the birds and the inanimate buildings feel after having their names changed.