Woodson Renaming?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The renaming is a done deal even though it seems like the majority people didn’t want it.

It’s was a done deal when this school board was elected.

So Let’s move on.

What’s the next FCPS school to be renamed?

What SB candidates want to continue to rename schools of racist people?

I'm all for renaming all of them. No children of color should be forced to go to schools named for racists and segregationists. PERIOD.

In that case, TJ should be renamed ASAP. Far more egregious than Woodson.

Totally different cases. TJ was a Founding Father from the 1700s. W.T. Woodson is an old man of little consequence who was still a racist in the 1980s.

You are right, it is a totally different case.
TJ was a known and proud slave owner who reportedly raped his slaves and fathered unwanted children with them
W.T. Woodson was an old man who served the community that researchers had to dig deep to find an obscure letter where he wanted to delay desegregation, but then ultimately oversaw the successful integration of the school district.

I realize this is the official line among some loons but do you actually believe any of this? Has reason failed you to such an extent?

So what is the reality to believe?

Are you disputing that TJ owned slaves? It is well documented that he was a proud southern plantation owner who owned quite a few slaves. The rape and fathering of children? Fine, we don't have to get hung up on that. But I don't think it is loony to believe TJ was a slave owner. That is a solid fact. So, according to the criteria outlined above, it should therefore disqualify him from having a public institution, and especially a school, named after him. Being a Founding Father and primary author of the Declaration of Independence doesn't absolve him. It didn't for Madison.

As for Woodson, whether he was a racist or not, he oversaw the integration of the school district. So, assuming he was a racist, he set his privately held personal beliefs aside and did the right thing. Is being a long serving superintendent grounds to have a school named after yourself? I don't know. But to claim the name of the school has racist roots is disingenuous at best. We aren't talking about the naming of institutions for Lee and other Confederates in an attempt to create an underlying racist tone as was done in the 50's and 60's. Renaming those schools, streets, etc., is justified.

Just be honest with the motivation and rationale. Rename, or don't rename. But if the standard is no racist, no slave owner, so that no POC should have to enter a school building named after such a historical figure, then apply it consistently.

FWIW, the majority of those surveyed were against renaming Woodson. And for FCCPS, the vast majorit were against renaming.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The renaming is a done deal even though it seems like the majority people didn’t want it.

It’s was a done deal when this school board was elected.

So Let’s move on.

What’s the next FCPS school to be renamed?

What SB candidates want to continue to rename schools of racist people?

I'm all for renaming all of them. No children of color should be forced to go to schools named for racists and segregationists. PERIOD.

In that case, TJ should be renamed ASAP. Far more egregious than Woodson.

Totally different cases. TJ was a Founding Father from the 1700s. W.T. Woodson is an old man of little consequence who was still a racist in the 1980s.

You are right, it is a totally different case.
TJ was a known and proud slave owner who reportedly raped his slaves and fathered unwanted children with them
W.T. Woodson was an old man who served the community that researchers had to dig deep to find an obscure letter where he wanted to delay desegregation, but then ultimately oversaw the successful integration of the school district.

I realize this is the official line among some loons but do you actually believe any of this? Has reason failed you to such an extent?

So what is the reality to believe?

Are you disputing that TJ owned slaves? It is well documented that he was a proud southern plantation owner who owned quite a few slaves. The rape and fathering of children? Fine, we don't have to get hung up on that. But I don't think it is loony to believe TJ was a slave owner. That is a solid fact. So, according to the criteria outlined above, it should therefore disqualify him from having a public institution, and especially a school, named after him. Being a Founding Father and primary author of the Declaration of Independence doesn't absolve him. It didn't for Madison.

As for Woodson, whether he was a racist or not, he oversaw the integration of the school district. So, assuming he was a racist, he set his privately held personal beliefs aside and did the right thing. Is being a long serving superintendent grounds to have a school named after yourself? I don't know. But to claim the name of the school has racist roots is disingenuous at best. We aren't talking about the naming of institutions for Lee and other Confederates in an attempt to create an underlying racist tone as was done in the 50's and 60's. Renaming those schools, streets, etc., is justified.

Just be honest with the motivation and rationale. Rename, or don't rename. But if the standard is no racist, no slave owner, so that no POC should have to enter a school building named after such a historical figure, then apply it consistently.

FWIW, the majority of those surveyed were against renaming Woodson. And for FCCPS, the vast majorit were against renaming.

So the F what? Leaving the legacy of discrimination in our schools should not be up for a vote. We should not cater to 3d party prejudices or tolerance of those prejudices.

And as for applying it consistently, I would be all for that, actually. But just b/c it is not, that is an insufficient reason to not proceed with the ones that we can. Indeed, that's no argument whatsoever.

Do better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The renaming is a done deal even though it seems like the majority people didn’t want it.

It’s was a done deal when this school board was elected.

So Let’s move on.

What’s the next FCPS school to be renamed?

What SB candidates want to continue to rename schools of racist people?

I'm all for renaming all of them. No children of color should be forced to go to schools named for racists and segregationists. PERIOD.

In that case, TJ should be renamed ASAP. Far more egregious than Woodson.

I would be fine with that. You want to get that started then?

I know you raised that as some sort of snarky or clever observation. But you know exactly why that won't happen: founding father, architect of the Declaration, Constitution, revered status in the annals of US history. That's why that is not changing any time soon. And Woodson is. He's an inconsequential person remembered for his bigotry.

Next.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The renaming is a done deal even though it seems like the majority people didn’t want it.

It’s was a done deal when this school board was elected.

So Let’s move on.

What’s the next FCPS school to be renamed?

What SB candidates want to continue to rename schools of racist people?

I'm all for renaming all of them. No children of color should be forced to go to schools named for racists and segregationists. PERIOD.

In that case, TJ should be renamed ASAP. Far more egregious than Woodson.

Totally different cases. TJ was a Founding Father from the 1700s. W.T. Woodson is an old man of little consequence who was still a racist in the 1980s.

You are right, it is a totally different case.
TJ was a known and proud slave owner who reportedly raped his slaves and fathered unwanted children with them
W.T. Woodson was an old man who served the community that researchers had to dig deep to find an obscure letter where he wanted to delay desegregation, but then ultimately oversaw the successful integration of the school district.

Shhh.

The real answer is they just rename the low hanging fruit for quick points.

You're right it's low hanging fruit. TJ isn't as others have made clear. And which you already know.

But your reference to "quick points" is just absurd. Doing the right thing is what is at issue here. There's not points to be had when we have the likes of you up here criticizing the change and defending racists.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The renaming is a done deal even though it seems like the majority people didn’t want it.

It’s was a done deal when this school board was elected.

So Let’s move on.

What’s the next FCPS school to be renamed?

What SB candidates want to continue to rename schools of racist people?

I'm all for renaming all of them. No children of color should be forced to go to schools named for racists and segregationists. PERIOD.

In that case, TJ should be renamed ASAP. Far more egregious than Woodson.

Totally different cases. TJ was a Founding Father from the 1700s. W.T. Woodson is an old man of little consequence who was still a racist in the 1980s.

You are right, it is a totally different case.
TJ was a known and proud slave owner who reportedly raped his slaves and fathered unwanted children with them
W.T. Woodson was an old man who served the community that researchers had to dig deep to find an obscure letter where he wanted to delay desegregation, but then ultimately oversaw the successful integration of the school district.

I realize this is the official line among some loons but do you actually believe any of this? Has reason failed you to such an extent?

So what is the reality to believe?

Are you disputing that TJ owned slaves? It is well documented that he was a proud southern plantation owner who owned quite a few slaves. The rape and fathering of children? Fine, we don't have to get hung up on that. But I don't think it is loony to believe TJ was a slave owner. That is a solid fact. So, according to the criteria outlined above, it should therefore disqualify him from having a public institution, and especially a school, named after him. Being a Founding Father and primary author of the Declaration of Independence doesn't absolve him. It didn't for Madison.

As for Woodson, whether he was a racist or not, he oversaw the integration of the school district. So, assuming he was a racist, he set his privately held personal beliefs aside and did the right thing. Is being a long serving superintendent grounds to have a school named after yourself? I don't know. But to claim the name of the school has racist roots is disingenuous at best. We aren't talking about the naming of institutions for Lee and other Confederates in an attempt to create an underlying racist tone as was done in the 50's and 60's. Renaming those schools, streets, etc., is justified.

Just be honest with the motivation and rationale. Rename, or don't rename. But if the standard is no racist, no slave owner, so that no POC should have to enter a school building named after such a historical figure, then apply it consistently.

FWIW, the majority of those surveyed were against renaming Woodson. And for FCCPS, the vast majorit were against renaming.

So the F what? Leaving the legacy of discrimination in our schools should not be up for a vote. We should not cater to 3d party prejudices or tolerance of those prejudices.

And as for applying it consistently, I would be all for that, actually. But just b/c it is not, that is an insufficient reason to not proceed with the ones that we can. Indeed, that's no argument whatsoever.

Do better.

Never said that inconsistent application was an excuse to not rename a school.
In an effort to do better, I assume you will be at the next school board meeting with a motion to rename TJ.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The renaming is a done deal even though it seems like the majority people didn’t want it.

It’s was a done deal when this school board was elected.

So Let’s move on.

What’s the next FCPS school to be renamed?

What SB candidates want to continue to rename schools of racist people?

I'm all for renaming all of them. No children of color should be forced to go to schools named for racists and segregationists. PERIOD.

In that case, TJ should be renamed ASAP. Far more egregious than Woodson.

Totally different cases. TJ was a Founding Father from the 1700s. W.T. Woodson is an old man of little consequence who was still a racist in the 1980s.

You are right, it is a totally different case.
TJ was a known and proud slave owner who reportedly raped his slaves and fathered unwanted children with them
W.T. Woodson was an old man who served the community that researchers had to dig deep to find an obscure letter where he wanted to delay desegregation, but then ultimately oversaw the successful integration of the school district.

I realize this is the official line among some loons but do you actually believe any of this? Has reason failed you to such an extent?

So what is the reality to believe?

Are you disputing that TJ owned slaves? It is well documented that he was a proud southern plantation owner who owned quite a few slaves. The rape and fathering of children? Fine, we don't have to get hung up on that. But I don't think it is loony to believe TJ was a slave owner. That is a solid fact. So, according to the criteria outlined above, it should therefore disqualify him from having a public institution, and especially a school, named after him. Being a Founding Father and primary author of the Declaration of Independence doesn't absolve him. It didn't for Madison.

As for Woodson, whether he was a racist or not, he oversaw the integration of the school district. So, assuming he was a racist, he set his privately held personal beliefs aside and did the right thing. Is being a long serving superintendent grounds to have a school named after yourself? I don't know. But to claim the name of the school has racist roots is disingenuous at best. We aren't talking about the naming of institutions for Lee and other Confederates in an attempt to create an underlying racist tone as was done in the 50's and 60's. Renaming those schools, streets, etc., is justified.

Just be honest with the motivation and rationale. Rename, or don't rename. But if the standard is no racist, no slave owner, so that no POC should have to enter a school building named after such a historical figure, then apply it consistently.

Are you stupid or something? No one disputes this. And I'm laughing at those of you using him as an example while utterly refusing to concede why changing Jefferson's name on things will ever happen. Should it as a matter of principle? I would say yes. But as the stature he has in this country is the one of the most revered, it's just not happening. You know this. I suspect you're just trying to bait people into trying to remove him from things so YOU can score cultural or political points. But, it isn't happening in any sort of real or mainstream way. Sorry.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The renaming is a done deal even though it seems like the majority people didn’t want it.

It’s was a done deal when this school board was elected.

So Let’s move on.

What’s the next FCPS school to be renamed?

What SB candidates want to continue to rename schools of racist people?

I'm all for renaming all of them. No children of color should be forced to go to schools named for racists and segregationists. PERIOD.

In that case, TJ should be renamed ASAP. Far more egregious than Woodson.

Totally different cases. TJ was a Founding Father from the 1700s. W.T. Woodson is an old man of little consequence who was still a racist in the 1980s.

You are right, it is a totally different case.
TJ was a known and proud slave owner who reportedly raped his slaves and fathered unwanted children with them
W.T. Woodson was an old man who served the community that researchers had to dig deep to find an obscure letter where he wanted to delay desegregation, but then ultimately oversaw the successful integration of the school district.

I realize this is the official line among some loons but do you actually believe any of this? Has reason failed you to such an extent?

So what is the reality to believe?

Are you disputing that TJ owned slaves? It is well documented that he was a proud southern plantation owner who owned quite a few slaves. The rape and fathering of children? Fine, we don't have to get hung up on that. But I don't think it is loony to believe TJ was a slave owner. That is a solid fact. So, according to the criteria outlined above, it should therefore disqualify him from having a public institution, and especially a school, named after him. Being a Founding Father and primary author of the Declaration of Independence doesn't absolve him. It didn't for Madison.

As for Woodson, whether he was a racist or not, he oversaw the integration of the school district. So, assuming he was a racist, he set his privately held personal beliefs aside and did the right thing. Is being a long serving superintendent grounds to have a school named after yourself? I don't know. But to claim the name of the school has racist roots is disingenuous at best. We aren't talking about the naming of institutions for Lee and other Confederates in an attempt to create an underlying racist tone as was done in the 50's and 60's. Renaming those schools, streets, etc., is justified.

Just be honest with the motivation and rationale. Rename, or don't rename. But if the standard is no racist, no slave owner, so that no POC should have to enter a school building named after such a historical figure, then apply it consistently.

FWIW, the majority of those surveyed were against renaming Woodson. And for FCCPS, the vast majorit were against renaming.

So the F what? Leaving the legacy of discrimination in our schools should not be up for a vote. We should not cater to 3d party prejudices or tolerance of those prejudices.

And as for applying it consistently, I would be all for that, actually. But just b/c it is not, that is an insufficient reason to not proceed with the ones that we can. Indeed, that's no argument whatsoever.

Do better.

Never said that inconsistent application was an excuse to not rename a school.
In an effort to do better, I assume you will be at the next school board meeting with a motion to rename TJ.

You brought it up as what needs to be done in order to justify changing Woodson. So you first. I'm fine with taking on the low hanging fruit as it comes and as people are ready for. I don't need your approval or to heed your directions for "consistency" in order to hold the position that changing Woodson is hte right thing to do.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The renaming is a done deal even though it seems like the majority people didn’t want it.

It’s was a done deal when this school board was elected.

So Let’s move on.

What’s the next FCPS school to be renamed?

What SB candidates want to continue to rename schools of racist people?

I'm all for renaming all of them. No children of color should be forced to go to schools named for racists and segregationists. PERIOD.

In that case, TJ should be renamed ASAP. Far more egregious than Woodson.

Totally different cases. TJ was a Founding Father from the 1700s. W.T. Woodson is an old man of little consequence who was still a racist in the 1980s.

You are right, it is a totally different case.
TJ was a known and proud slave owner who reportedly raped his slaves and fathered unwanted children with them
W.T. Woodson was an old man who served the community that researchers had to dig deep to find an obscure letter where he wanted to delay desegregation, but then ultimately oversaw the successful integration of the school district.

Shhh.

The real answer is they just rename the low hanging fruit for quick points.

You're right it's low hanging fruit. TJ isn't as others have made clear. And which you already know.

But your reference to "quick points" is just absurd. Doing the right thing is what is at issue here. There's not points to be had when we have the likes of you up here criticizing the change and defending racists.

Again, have the strength of your convictions. Demand that FCPS rename TJHSST (named after a slaveholder and a rapist). Go after Madison (named after a slaveholder). Go after Langley (named after the ancestral home of Robert E. Lee's family).

There's so much more work to be done, so get to it. Time is wasting.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The renaming is a done deal even though it seems like the majority people didn’t want it.

It’s was a done deal when this school board was elected.

So Let’s move on.

What’s the next FCPS school to be renamed?

What SB candidates want to continue to rename schools of racist people?

I'm all for renaming all of them. No children of color should be forced to go to schools named for racists and segregationists. PERIOD.

In that case, TJ should be renamed ASAP. Far more egregious than Woodson.

Totally different cases. TJ was a Founding Father from the 1700s. W.T. Woodson is an old man of little consequence who was still a racist in the 1980s.

You are right, it is a totally different case.
TJ was a known and proud slave owner who reportedly raped his slaves and fathered unwanted children with them
W.T. Woodson was an old man who served the community that researchers had to dig deep to find an obscure letter where he wanted to delay desegregation, but then ultimately oversaw the successful integration of the school district.

I realize this is the official line among some loons but do you actually believe any of this? Has reason failed you to such an extent?

So what is the reality to believe?

Are you disputing that TJ owned slaves? It is well documented that he was a proud southern plantation owner who owned quite a few slaves. The rape and fathering of children? Fine, we don't have to get hung up on that. But I don't think it is loony to believe TJ was a slave owner. That is a solid fact. So, according to the criteria outlined above, it should therefore disqualify him from having a public institution, and especially a school, named after him. Being a Founding Father and primary author of the Declaration of Independence doesn't absolve him. It didn't for Madison.

As for Woodson, whether he was a racist or not, he oversaw the integration of the school district. So, assuming he was a racist, he set his privately held personal beliefs aside and did the right thing. Is being a long serving superintendent grounds to have a school named after yourself? I don't know. But to claim the name of the school has racist roots is disingenuous at best. We aren't talking about the naming of institutions for Lee and other Confederates in an attempt to create an underlying racist tone as was done in the 50's and 60's. Renaming those schools, streets, etc., is justified.

Just be honest with the motivation and rationale. Rename, or don't rename. But if the standard is no racist, no slave owner, so that no POC should have to enter a school building named after such a historical figure, then apply it consistently.

Are you stupid or something? No one disputes this. And I'm laughing at those of you using him as an example while utterly refusing to concede why changing Jefferson's name on things will ever happen. Should it as a matter of principle? I would say yes. But as the stature he has in this country is the one of the most revered, it's just not happening. You know this. I suspect you're just trying to bait people into trying to remove him from things so YOU can score cultural or political points. But, it isn't happening in any sort of real or mainstream way. Sorry.

DP, but you do know that you are completely full of crap, right?

FCCPS already renamed a school named after Thomas Jefferson. He was just as "revered" then as now (perhaps even more so).

No reason for it not to happen eventually in FCPS as well. His historic transgressions make W.T. Woodson look like a saint.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The renaming is a done deal even though it seems like the majority people didn’t want it.

It’s was a done deal when this school board was elected.

So Let’s move on.

What’s the next FCPS school to be renamed?

What SB candidates want to continue to rename schools of racist people?

I'm all for renaming all of them. No children of color should be forced to go to schools named for racists and segregationists. PERIOD.

In that case, TJ should be renamed ASAP. Far more egregious than Woodson.

Totally different cases. TJ was a Founding Father from the 1700s. W.T. Woodson is an old man of little consequence who was still a racist in the 1980s.

You are right, it is a totally different case.
TJ was a known and proud slave owner who reportedly raped his slaves and fathered unwanted children with them
W.T. Woodson was an old man who served the community that researchers had to dig deep to find an obscure letter where he wanted to delay desegregation, but then ultimately oversaw the successful integration of the school district.

I realize this is the official line among some loons but do you actually believe any of this? Has reason failed you to such an extent?

So what is the reality to believe?

Are you disputing that TJ owned slaves? It is well documented that he was a proud southern plantation owner who owned quite a few slaves. The rape and fathering of children? Fine, we don't have to get hung up on that. But I don't think it is loony to believe TJ was a slave owner. That is a solid fact. So, according to the criteria outlined above, it should therefore disqualify him from having a public institution, and especially a school, named after him. Being a Founding Father and primary author of the Declaration of Independence doesn't absolve him. It didn't for Madison.

As for Woodson, whether he was a racist or not, he oversaw the integration of the school district. So, assuming he was a racist, he set his privately held personal beliefs aside and did the right thing. Is being a long serving superintendent grounds to have a school named after yourself? I don't know. But to claim the name of the school has racist roots is disingenuous at best. We aren't talking about the naming of institutions for Lee and other Confederates in an attempt to create an underlying racist tone as was done in the 50's and 60's. Renaming those schools, streets, etc., is justified.

Just be honest with the motivation and rationale. Rename, or don't rename. But if the standard is no racist, no slave owner, so that no POC should have to enter a school building named after such a historical figure, then apply it consistently.

FWIW, the majority of those surveyed were against renaming Woodson. And for FCCPS, the vast majorit were against renaming.

So the F what? Leaving the legacy of discrimination in our schools should not be up for a vote. We should not cater to 3d party prejudices or tolerance of those prejudices.

And as for applying it consistently, I would be all for that, actually. But just b/c it is not, that is an insufficient reason to not proceed with the ones that we can. Indeed, that's no argument whatsoever.

Do better.

Never said that inconsistent application was an excuse to not rename a school.
In an effort to do better, I assume you will be at the next school board meeting with a motion to rename TJ.

You brought it up as what needs to be done in order to justify changing Woodson. So you first. I'm fine with taking on the low hanging fruit as it comes and as people are ready for. I don't need your approval or to heed your directions for "consistency" in order to hold the position that changing Woodson is hte right thing to do.

I did not say changing TJ was needed to justify changing Woodson. I'm fine with changing the name, if that is what we want to focus our resources on. I did state there should be a consistent standard. You obviously don't need to heed that direction. You can do you. Take the low hanging fruit. Feel good about yourself. Enjoy your weekend.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The renaming is a done deal even though it seems like the majority people didn’t want it.

It’s was a done deal when this school board was elected.

So Let’s move on.

What’s the next FCPS school to be renamed?

What SB candidates want to continue to rename schools of racist people?

I'm all for renaming all of them. No children of color should be forced to go to schools named for racists and segregationists. PERIOD.

In that case, TJ should be renamed ASAP. Far more egregious than Woodson.

Totally different cases. TJ was a Founding Father from the 1700s. W.T. Woodson is an old man of little consequence who was still a racist in the 1980s.

You are right, it is a totally different case.
TJ was a known and proud slave owner who reportedly raped his slaves and fathered unwanted children with them
W.T. Woodson was an old man who served the community that researchers had to dig deep to find an obscure letter where he wanted to delay desegregation, but then ultimately oversaw the successful integration of the school district.

Shhh.

The real answer is they just rename the low hanging fruit for quick points.

You're right it's low hanging fruit. TJ isn't as others have made clear. And which you already know.

But your reference to "quick points" is just absurd. Doing the right thing is what is at issue here. There's not points to be had when we have the likes of you up here criticizing the change and defending racists.

Again, have the strength of your convictions. Demand that FCPS rename TJHSST (named after a slaveholder and a rapist). Go after Madison (named after a slaveholder). Go after Langley (named after the ancestral home of Robert E. Lee's family).

There's so much more work to be done, so get to it. Time is wasting.

I don't need to do that in order to hold the position that renaming Woodson is the right thing to do. LOL. It doesn't matter that you think otherwise. INcremental change is still change. And you're on the losing end.

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Anonymous wrote:The renaming is a done deal even though it seems like the majority people didn’t want it.

It’s was a done deal when this school board was elected.

So Let’s move on.

What’s the next FCPS school to be renamed?

What SB candidates want to continue to rename schools of racist people?

I'm all for renaming all of them. No children of color should be forced to go to schools named for racists and segregationists. PERIOD.

In that case, TJ should be renamed ASAP. Far more egregious than Woodson.

Totally different cases. TJ was a Founding Father from the 1700s. W.T. Woodson is an old man of little consequence who was still a racist in the 1980s.

You are right, it is a totally different case.
TJ was a known and proud slave owner who reportedly raped his slaves and fathered unwanted children with them
W.T. Woodson was an old man who served the community that researchers had to dig deep to find an obscure letter where he wanted to delay desegregation, but then ultimately oversaw the successful integration of the school district.

I realize this is the official line among some loons but do you actually believe any of this? Has reason failed you to such an extent?

So what is the reality to believe?

Are you disputing that TJ owned slaves? It is well documented that he was a proud southern plantation owner who owned quite a few slaves. The rape and fathering of children? Fine, we don't have to get hung up on that. But I don't think it is loony to believe TJ was a slave owner. That is a solid fact. So, according to the criteria outlined above, it should therefore disqualify him from having a public institution, and especially a school, named after him. Being a Founding Father and primary author of the Declaration of Independence doesn't absolve him. It didn't for Madison.

As for Woodson, whether he was a racist or not, he oversaw the integration of the school district. So, assuming he was a racist, he set his privately held personal beliefs aside and did the right thing. Is being a long serving superintendent grounds to have a school named after yourself? I don't know. But to claim the name of the school has racist roots is disingenuous at best. We aren't talking about the naming of institutions for Lee and other Confederates in an attempt to create an underlying racist tone as was done in the 50's and 60's. Renaming those schools, streets, etc., is justified.

Just be honest with the motivation and rationale. Rename, or don't rename. But if the standard is no racist, no slave owner, so that no POC should have to enter a school building named after such a historical figure, then apply it consistently.

FWIW, the majority of those surveyed were against renaming Woodson. And for FCCPS, the vast majorit were against renaming.

So the F what? Leaving the legacy of discrimination in our schools should not be up for a vote. We should not cater to 3d party prejudices or tolerance of those prejudices.

And as for applying it consistently, I would be all for that, actually. But just b/c it is not, that is an insufficient reason to not proceed with the ones that we can. Indeed, that's no argument whatsoever.

Do better.

Never said that inconsistent application was an excuse to not rename a school.
In an effort to do better, I assume you will be at the next school board meeting with a motion to rename TJ.

You brought it up as what needs to be done in order to justify changing Woodson. So you first. I'm fine with taking on the low hanging fruit as it comes and as people are ready for. I don't need your approval or to heed your directions for "consistency" in order to hold the position that changing Woodson is hte right thing to do.

I did not say changing TJ was needed to justify changing Woodson. I'm fine with changing the name, if that is what we want to focus our resources on. I did state there should be a consistent standard. You obviously don't need to heed that direction. You can do you. Take the low hanging fruit. Feel good about yourself. Enjoy your weekend.

Thanks for your permission. I will do just that.

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Anonymous wrote:The renaming is a done deal even though it seems like the majority people didn’t want it.

It’s was a done deal when this school board was elected.

So Let’s move on.

What’s the next FCPS school to be renamed?

What SB candidates want to continue to rename schools of racist people?

I'm all for renaming all of them. No children of color should be forced to go to schools named for racists and segregationists. PERIOD.

In that case, TJ should be renamed ASAP. Far more egregious than Woodson.

Totally different cases. TJ was a Founding Father from the 1700s. W.T. Woodson is an old man of little consequence who was still a racist in the 1980s.

You are right, it is a totally different case.
TJ was a known and proud slave owner who reportedly raped his slaves and fathered unwanted children with them
W.T. Woodson was an old man who served the community that researchers had to dig deep to find an obscure letter where he wanted to delay desegregation, but then ultimately oversaw the successful integration of the school district.

I realize this is the official line among some loons but do you actually believe any of this? Has reason failed you to such an extent?

So what is the reality to believe?

Are you disputing that TJ owned slaves? It is well documented that he was a proud southern plantation owner who owned quite a few slaves. The rape and fathering of children? Fine, we don't have to get hung up on that. But I don't think it is loony to believe TJ was a slave owner. That is a solid fact. So, according to the criteria outlined above, it should therefore disqualify him from having a public institution, and especially a school, named after him. Being a Founding Father and primary author of the Declaration of Independence doesn't absolve him. It didn't for Madison.

As for Woodson, whether he was a racist or not, he oversaw the integration of the school district. So, assuming he was a racist, he set his privately held personal beliefs aside and did the right thing. Is being a long serving superintendent grounds to have a school named after yourself? I don't know. But to claim the name of the school has racist roots is disingenuous at best. We aren't talking about the naming of institutions for Lee and other Confederates in an attempt to create an underlying racist tone as was done in the 50's and 60's. Renaming those schools, streets, etc., is justified.

Just be honest with the motivation and rationale. Rename, or don't rename. But if the standard is no racist, no slave owner, so that no POC should have to enter a school building named after such a historical figure, then apply it consistently.

Are you stupid or something? No one disputes this. And I'm laughing at those of you using him as an example while utterly refusing to concede why changing Jefferson's name on things will ever happen. Should it as a matter of principle? I would say yes. But as the stature he has in this country is the one of the most revered, it's just not happening. You know this. I suspect you're just trying to bait people into trying to remove him from things so YOU can score cultural or political points. But, it isn't happening in any sort of real or mainstream way. Sorry.

DP, but you do know that you are completely full of crap, right?

FCCPS already renamed a school named after Thomas Jefferson. He was just as "revered" then as now (perhaps even more so).

No reason for it not to happen eventually in FCPS as well. His historic transgressions make W.T. Woodson look like a saint.

Full of crap for pointing out TJ's status and why that is not happening (which is true). That's not crap, it's true. And, see bolded. The fact that a single school had the balls to do so is not indicative of any mainstream or significant movement to change names with TJ attached to them. Fact.

So one of us is full of crap but it's you.

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Anonymous wrote:The renaming is a done deal even though it seems like the majority people didn’t want it.

It’s was a done deal when this school board was elected.

So Let’s move on.

What’s the next FCPS school to be renamed?

What SB candidates want to continue to rename schools of racist people?

I'm all for renaming all of them. No children of color should be forced to go to schools named for racists and segregationists. PERIOD.

In that case, TJ should be renamed ASAP. Far more egregious than Woodson.

Totally different cases. TJ was a Founding Father from the 1700s. W.T. Woodson is an old man of little consequence who was still a racist in the 1980s.

You are right, it is a totally different case.
TJ was a known and proud slave owner who reportedly raped his slaves and fathered unwanted children with them
W.T. Woodson was an old man who served the community that researchers had to dig deep to find an obscure letter where he wanted to delay desegregation, but then ultimately oversaw the successful integration of the school district.

Shhh.

The real answer is they just rename the low hanging fruit for quick points.

You're right it's low hanging fruit. TJ isn't as others have made clear. And which you already know.

But your reference to "quick points" is just absurd. Doing the right thing is what is at issue here. There's not points to be had when we have the likes of you up here criticizing the change and defending racists.

Again, have the strength of your convictions. Demand that FCPS rename TJHSST (named after a slaveholder and a rapist). Go after Madison (named after a slaveholder). Go after Langley (named after the ancestral home of Robert E. Lee's family).

There's so much more work to be done, so get to it. Time is wasting.

I don't need to do that in order to hold the position that renaming Woodson is the right thing to do. LOL. It doesn't matter that you think otherwise. INcremental change is still change. And you're on the losing end.

I'm on the winning end. I'm pointing out the hypocrisy and lack of a clear guiding principle, and you've offered nothing to the contrary.

Otherwise, I don't especially care if they change WTW's name.

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Anonymous wrote:The renaming is a done deal even though it seems like the majority people didn’t want it.

It’s was a done deal when this school board was elected.

So Let’s move on.

What’s the next FCPS school to be renamed?

What SB candidates want to continue to rename schools of racist people?

I'm all for renaming all of them. No children of color should be forced to go to schools named for racists and segregationists. PERIOD.

In that case, TJ should be renamed ASAP. Far more egregious than Woodson.

Totally different cases. TJ was a Founding Father from the 1700s. W.T. Woodson is an old man of little consequence who was still a racist in the 1980s.

You are right, it is a totally different case.
TJ was a known and proud slave owner who reportedly raped his slaves and fathered unwanted children with them
W.T. Woodson was an old man who served the community that researchers had to dig deep to find an obscure letter where he wanted to delay desegregation, but then ultimately oversaw the successful integration of the school district.

I realize this is the official line among some loons but do you actually believe any of this? Has reason failed you to such an extent?

So what is the reality to believe?

Are you disputing that TJ owned slaves? It is well documented that he was a proud southern plantation owner who owned quite a few slaves. The rape and fathering of children? Fine, we don't have to get hung up on that. But I don't think it is loony to believe TJ was a slave owner. That is a solid fact. So, according to the criteria outlined above, it should therefore disqualify him from having a public institution, and especially a school, named after him. Being a Founding Father and primary author of the Declaration of Independence doesn't absolve him. It didn't for Madison.

As for Woodson, whether he was a racist or not, he oversaw the integration of the school district. So, assuming he was a racist, he set his privately held personal beliefs aside and did the right thing. Is being a long serving superintendent grounds to have a school named after yourself? I don't know. But to claim the name of the school has racist roots is disingenuous at best. We aren't talking about the naming of institutions for Lee and other Confederates in an attempt to create an underlying racist tone as was done in the 50's and 60's. Renaming those schools, streets, etc., is justified.

Just be honest with the motivation and rationale. Rename, or don't rename. But if the standard is no racist, no slave owner, so that no POC should have to enter a school building named after such a historical figure, then apply it consistently.

Are you stupid or something? No one disputes this. And I'm laughing at those of you using him as an example while utterly refusing to concede why changing Jefferson's name on things will ever happen. Should it as a matter of principle? I would say yes. But as the stature he has in this country is the one of the most revered, it's just not happening. You know this. I suspect you're just trying to bait people into trying to remove him from things so YOU can score cultural or political points. But, it isn't happening in any sort of real or mainstream way. Sorry.

DP, but you do know that you are completely full of crap, right?

FCCPS already renamed a school named after Thomas Jefferson. He was just as "revered" then as now (perhaps even more so).

No reason for it not to happen eventually in FCPS as well. His historic transgressions make W.T. Woodson look like a saint.

Full of crap for pointing out TJ's status and why that is not happening (which is true). That's not crap, it's true. And, see bolded. The fact that a single school had the balls to do so is not indicative of any mainstream or significant movement to change names with TJ attached to them. Fact.

So one of us is full of crap but it's you.

DP. That wasn't balls. It was stupidity.