Bode and Morgan Miller's Kids - bad luck

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Anonymous wrote:I think they're just really bad parents. I forgot about this one just a year or two after their toddler drowned because they weren't paying attention to her.

https://www.etonline.com/bode-miller-and-wife-morgans-son-has-seizure-is-rushed-to-same-hospital-where-their-daughter-died

How is a child having a seizure the parent’s fault? I agree with you they aren’t good people, but this isn’t a good example.

They had a perfectly healthy daughter who died because she was unsupervised at a pool party and drowned. If she had a seizure while being resuscitated is not the point.

If they had paid for a babysitter that day or simply watched their kid, she would be alive.

It wasn’t even a pool party. It was a visit to a family - a playdate. How hard os it to watch your toddler??

I haven't liked them since the Sarh Mckenna thing either. However, it takes only 20 seconds for a 2-year old to drown. I watched my babies like a hawk around water, but when that happened, it felt like it could have been us and I mourned with them. I am sure she's not the only parent who's looked away for ~ 20 seconds. It was horrible.

They didn't look away, they were nowhere near the kid.

The toddler literally left the house. How does that happen on a playdate in someone else’s home?

You’re making it seem like the kid opened the door and walked 3 blocks away and fell in a pool. Morgan was in the kitchen and the child had been in the attached family/living room (I think articles said it was an open layout). The child opened a french door from the family room/living room and the pool was right there attached to the patio.

No idea where Bode was, but Morgan was provably less than 20’ from her daughter and didn’t see her open the door. I’m sure they didn’t except the backdoor to be unlocked but even if it was, they still didn’t expect their child to fall into a pool and drown.

How do you know this for sure?

If you go to a house with a pool, first you check yourself to make sure doors are locked and can’t be opened by kids before they are out of your sight. You sit near them on the play date, you don’t stay in the kitchen gabbing while your 19 month old wanders off in someone’s home unattended. I learned basic pool safety with kids when I was a teenager and babysat for a family that had a pool. The mom was neurotic about pool safety. One thing she did was always lock the back door that opened to the pool. It was a lock that was at the top of the door that only an adult could open. She always also made sure the pool gate was shut and latched. She would double check it as soon as kids arrived at her house.

Also, kids that young should never be out of your sight.

Agree, Morgan was sipping tea with her neighbor and did not have eyes on her the whole time. And it was probably several minutes, maybe 4 min, not 20 seconds that she did not have eyes on the toddler.

She was at a tea party?

Visiting next door neighbor. Having tea in kitchen. Not a party. Not an evening gathering. Just a playdate, had been there many times.

It was 630 in the evening when she drowned. Not sure why you keep trying to downplay this as a playdate. It’s never been reported as playdate. There was no wild party as was initially reported, but multiple people were at the neighbors house. https://people.com/parents/bode-miller-daughter-drowning-death-details/

Your links says only a couple of people were there.

"Contrary to rumors of a larger gathering, Concialdi says only “a couple of people” were at the neighbor’s house when Emeline wandered away, and “nobody was in the backyard” during the incident."

Is that supposed to be better? That makes it worse. There were only a few people so it wasn't chaotic. They should have known where she was at all times.

Exactly, it was not a chaotic situation. It was not a pool party. It was not a party.It was two moms having tea, older boys playing together in the house, toddler wandering around the house by herself. She didn’t have eyes on the toddler. It was only when she couldn’t hear her toddler anymore, that she checked. Toddler had gone out the back door and walked into the pool. Several minutes went by.

Sorry, all you people saying it could happen to anyone - no. This wouldn’t happen to me. And it wouldn’t happen to me that my kids get carbon monoxide poisoning outside because they’re by themselves watching a large vehicle. And it wouldn’t happen to me that I am involved in a lawsuit to get custody of an unborn child or another child for whom I’m not even the biological mother.

They have poor judgement.

You keep saying this as if it’s true.

Ok so maybe they weren’t having tea. That’s not the point. It was not a gathering or party of any kind. It was a get together with the neighbors, a playdate basically. Bode was not there. Why are you so focused on tea?!

Because facts matter and you keep posting made up things. All that has been said is it wasn’t a party, but that several people were there. In the evening. You keep posting this was a playdate between 2 moms to further your agenda.

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Anonymous wrote:I think they're just really bad parents. I forgot about this one just a year or two after their toddler drowned because they weren't paying attention to her.

https://www.etonline.com/bode-miller-and-wife-morgans-son-has-seizure-is-rushed-to-same-hospital-where-their-daughter-died

How is a child having a seizure the parent’s fault? I agree with you they aren’t good people, but this isn’t a good example.

They had a perfectly healthy daughter who died because she was unsupervised at a pool party and drowned. If she had a seizure while being resuscitated is not the point.

If they had paid for a babysitter that day or simply watched their kid, she would be alive.

It wasn’t even a pool party. It was a visit to a family - a playdate. How hard os it to watch your toddler??

I haven't liked them since the Sarh Mckenna thing either. However, it takes only 20 seconds for a 2-year old to drown. I watched my babies like a hawk around water, but when that happened, it felt like it could have been us and I mourned with them. I am sure she's not the only parent who's looked away for ~ 20 seconds. It was horrible.

They didn't look away, they were nowhere near the kid.

The toddler literally left the house. How does that happen on a playdate in someone else’s home?

You’re making it seem like the kid opened the door and walked 3 blocks away and fell in a pool. Morgan was in the kitchen and the child had been in the attached family/living room (I think articles said it was an open layout). The child opened a french door from the family room/living room and the pool was right there attached to the patio.

No idea where Bode was, but Morgan was provably less than 20’ from her daughter and didn’t see her open the door. I’m sure they didn’t except the backdoor to be unlocked but even if it was, they still didn’t expect their child to fall into a pool and drown.

How do you know this for sure?

If you go to a house with a pool, first you check yourself to make sure doors are locked and can’t be opened by kids before they are out of your sight. You sit near them on the play date, you don’t stay in the kitchen gabbing while your 19 month old wanders off in someone’s home unattended. I learned basic pool safety with kids when I was a teenager and babysat for a family that had a pool. The mom was neurotic about pool safety. One thing she did was always lock the back door that opened to the pool. It was a lock that was at the top of the door that only an adult could open. She always also made sure the pool gate was shut and latched. She would double check it as soon as kids arrived at her house.

Also, kids that young should never be out of your sight.

Agree, Morgan was sipping tea with her neighbor and did not have eyes on her the whole time. And it was probably several minutes, maybe 4 min, not 20 seconds that she did not have eyes on the toddler.

She was at a tea party?

Visiting next door neighbor. Having tea in kitchen. Not a party. Not an evening gathering. Just a playdate, had been there many times.

It was 630 in the evening when she drowned. Not sure why you keep trying to downplay this as a playdate. It’s never been reported as playdate. There was no wild party as was initially reported, but multiple people were at the neighbors house. https://people.com/parents/bode-miller-daughter-drowning-death-details/

Your links says only a couple of people were there.

"Contrary to rumors of a larger gathering, Concialdi says only “a couple of people” were at the neighbor’s house when Emeline wandered away, and “nobody was in the backyard” during the incident."

Is that supposed to be better? That makes it worse. There were only a few people so it wasn't chaotic. They should have known where she was at all times.

Exactly, it was not a chaotic situation. It was not a pool party. It was not a party. It was two moms having tea, older boys playing together in the house, toddler wandering around the house by herself. She didn’t have eyes on the toddler. It was only when she couldn’t hear her toddler anymore, that she checked. Toddler had gone out the back door and walked into the pool. Several minutes went by.

Sorry, all you people saying it could happen to anyone - no. This wouldn’t happen to me. And it wouldn’t happen to me that my kids get carbon monoxide poisoning outside because they’re by themselves watching a large vehicle. And it wouldn’t happen to me that I am involved in a lawsuit to get custody of an unborn child or another child for whom I’m not even the biological mother.

They have poor judgement.

Two things can be true at the same time. These particular people may have poor judgment, and it can happen to anyone.

I honestly find the attitude of the “never me” posters dangerous.

I find the “it can happen to anyone” mentality dangerous.

The 'it can happen to anyone' mentality keeps me at a psychotic level of vigilance around water so I dunno. I am absolutely aware that I do not have a superhuman ability to focus on a singular object for a sustained period of time and so am constantly redirecting myself to check the water and count the kids. If I believed it could never happen to me, I would be less afraid and I think I would be less vigilant.

I really feel like you all are the definition of hubris. Sometimes terrible things happen and there is no bad guy. Sometimes terrible things happen because a human does something that seems entirely inconsequential in the moment (look away because another kid screamed, go to the bathroom) and that person has to live with that for the rest of their lives. I feel like people like you haven't experienced real tragedy, you see it from a distance, because those of us who have been in the thick of things like that understand that it is never as simple as people like you say. And I have not lost any of my children for the record, but I have had a front row seat to some really horrific tragedies. Arrogance and pride never protected anyone from a fall.

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Anonymous wrote:I think they're just really bad parents. I forgot about this one just a year or two after their toddler drowned because they weren't paying attention to her.

https://www.etonline.com/bode-miller-and-wife-morgans-son-has-seizure-is-rushed-to-same-hospital-where-their-daughter-died

How is a child having a seizure the parent’s fault? I agree with you they aren’t good people, but this isn’t a good example.

They had a perfectly healthy daughter who died because she was unsupervised at a pool party and drowned. If she had a seizure while being resuscitated is not the point.

If they had paid for a babysitter that day or simply watched their kid, she would be alive.

It wasn’t even a pool party. It was a visit to a family - a playdate. How hard os it to watch your toddler??

I haven't liked them since the Sarh Mckenna thing either. However, it takes only 20 seconds for a 2-year old to drown. I watched my babies like a hawk around water, but when that happened, it felt like it could have been us and I mourned with them. I am sure she's not the only parent who's looked away for ~ 20 seconds. It was horrible.

They didn't look away, they were nowhere near the kid.

The toddler literally left the house. How does that happen on a playdate in someone else’s home?

You’re making it seem like the kid opened the door and walked 3 blocks away and fell in a pool. Morgan was in the kitchen and the child had been in the attached family/living room (I think articles said it was an open layout). The child opened a french door from the family room/living room and the pool was right there attached to the patio.

No idea where Bode was, but Morgan was provably less than 20’ from her daughter and didn’t see her open the door. I’m sure they didn’t except the backdoor to be unlocked but even if it was, they still didn’t expect their child to fall into a pool and drown.

How do you know this for sure?

If you go to a house with a pool, first you check yourself to make sure doors are locked and can’t be opened by kids before they are out of your sight. You sit near them on the play date, you don’t stay in the kitchen gabbing while your 19 month old wanders off in someone’s home unattended. I learned basic pool safety with kids when I was a teenager and babysat for a family that had a pool. The mom was neurotic about pool safety. One thing she did was always lock the back door that opened to the pool. It was a lock that was at the top of the door that only an adult could open. She always also made sure the pool gate was shut and latched. She would double check it as soon as kids arrived at her house.

Also, kids that young should never be out of your sight.

Agree, Morgan was sipping tea with her neighbor and did not have eyes on her the whole time. And it was probably several minutes, maybe 4 min, not 20 seconds that she did not have eyes on the toddler.

She was at a tea party?

Visiting next door neighbor. Having tea in kitchen. Not a party. Not an evening gathering. Just a playdate, had been there many times.

It was 630 in the evening when she drowned. Not sure why you keep trying to downplay this as a playdate. It’s never been reported as playdate. There was no wild party as was initially reported, but multiple people were at the neighbors house. https://people.com/parents/bode-miller-daughter-drowning-death-details/

Your links says only a couple of people were there.

"Contrary to rumors of a larger gathering, Concialdi says only “a couple of people” were at the neighbor’s house when Emeline wandered away, and “nobody was in the backyard” during the incident."

Is that supposed to be better? That makes it worse. There were only a few people so it wasn't chaotic. They should have known where she was at all times.

Exactly, it was not a chaotic situation. It was not a pool party. It was not a party. It was two moms having tea, older boys playing together in the house, toddler wandering around the house by herself. She didn’t have eyes on the toddler. It was only when she couldn’t hear her toddler anymore, that she checked. Toddler had gone out the back door and walked into the pool. Several minutes went by.

Sorry, all you people saying it could happen to anyone - no. This wouldn’t happen to me. And it wouldn’t happen to me that my kids get carbon monoxide poisoning outside because they’re by themselves watching a large vehicle. And it wouldn’t happen to me that I am involved in a lawsuit to get custody of an unborn child or another child for whom I’m not even the biological mother.

They have poor judgement.

Two things can be true at the same time. These particular people may have poor judgment, and it can happen to anyone.

I honestly find the attitude of the “never me” posters dangerous.

I find the “it can happen to anyone” mentality dangerous.

Not because it’s false, but because it doesn’t contain enough judgment for your liking.

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Anonymous wrote:I think they're just really bad parents. I forgot about this one just a year or two after their toddler drowned because they weren't paying attention to her.

https://www.etonline.com/bode-miller-and-wife-morgans-son-has-seizure-is-rushed-to-same-hospital-where-their-daughter-died

How is a child having a seizure the parent’s fault? I agree with you they aren’t good people, but this isn’t a good example.

They had a perfectly healthy daughter who died because she was unsupervised at a pool party and drowned. If she had a seizure while being resuscitated is not the point.

If they had paid for a babysitter that day or simply watched their kid, she would be alive.

It wasn’t even a pool party. It was a visit to a family - a playdate. How hard os it to watch your toddler??

I haven't liked them since the Sarh Mckenna thing either. However, it takes only 20 seconds for a 2-year old to drown. I watched my babies like a hawk around water, but when that happened, it felt like it could have been us and I mourned with them. I am sure she's not the only parent who's looked away for ~ 20 seconds. It was horrible.

They didn't look away, they were nowhere near the kid.

The toddler literally left the house. How does that happen on a playdate in someone else’s home?

You’re making it seem like the kid opened the door and walked 3 blocks away and fell in a pool. Morgan was in the kitchen and the child had been in the attached family/living room (I think articles said it was an open layout). The child opened a french door from the family room/living room and the pool was right there attached to the patio.

No idea where Bode was, but Morgan was provably less than 20’ from her daughter and didn’t see her open the door. I’m sure they didn’t except the backdoor to be unlocked but even if it was, they still didn’t expect their child to fall into a pool and drown.

How do you know this for sure?

If you go to a house with a pool, first you check yourself to make sure doors are locked and can’t be opened by kids before they are out of your sight. You sit near them on the play date, you don’t stay in the kitchen gabbing while your 19 month old wanders off in someone’s home unattended. I learned basic pool safety with kids when I was a teenager and babysat for a family that had a pool. The mom was neurotic about pool safety. One thing she did was always lock the back door that opened to the pool. It was a lock that was at the top of the door that only an adult could open. She always also made sure the pool gate was shut and latched. She would double check it as soon as kids arrived at her house.

Also, kids that young should never be out of your sight.

Agree, Morgan was sipping tea with her neighbor and did not have eyes on her the whole time. And it was probably several minutes, maybe 4 min, not 20 seconds that she did not have eyes on the toddler.

She was at a tea party?

Visiting next door neighbor. Having tea in kitchen. Not a party. Not an evening gathering. Just a playdate, had been there many times.

It was 630 in the evening when she drowned. Not sure why you keep trying to downplay this as a playdate. It’s never been reported as playdate. There was no wild party as was initially reported, but multiple people were at the neighbors house. https://people.com/parents/bode-miller-daughter-drowning-death-details/

Your links says only a couple of people were there.

"Contrary to rumors of a larger gathering, Concialdi says only “a couple of people” were at the neighbor’s house when Emeline wandered away, and “nobody was in the backyard” during the incident."

Is that supposed to be better? That makes it worse. There were only a few people so it wasn't chaotic. They should have known where she was at all times.

Exactly, it was not a chaotic situation. It was not a pool party. It was not a party.It was two moms having tea, older boys playing together in the house, toddler wandering around the house by herself. She didn’t have eyes on the toddler. It was only when she couldn’t hear her toddler anymore, that she checked. Toddler had gone out the back door and walked into the pool. Several minutes went by.

Sorry, all you people saying it could happen to anyone - no. This wouldn’t happen to me. And it wouldn’t happen to me that my kids get carbon monoxide poisoning outside because they’re by themselves watching a large vehicle. And it wouldn’t happen to me that I am involved in a lawsuit to get custody of an unborn child or another child for whom I’m not even the biological mother.

They have poor judgement.

You keep saying this as if it’s true.

Ok so maybe they weren’t having tea. That’s not the point. It was not a gathering or party of any kind. It was a get together with the neighbors, a playdate basically. Bode was not there. Why are you so focused on tea?!

Because facts matter and you keep posting made up things. All that has been said is it wasn’t a party, but that several people were there. In the evening. You keep posting this was a playdate between 2 moms to further your agenda.

What else would you call it when a family goes to a neighbor’s house so the kids can play? Around here we call that a playdate. Or a get together. What agenda?

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Anonymous wrote:I think they're just really bad parents. I forgot about this one just a year or two after their toddler drowned because they weren't paying attention to her.

https://www.etonline.com/bode-miller-and-wife-morgans-son-has-seizure-is-rushed-to-same-hospital-where-their-daughter-died

How is a child having a seizure the parent’s fault? I agree with you they aren’t good people, but this isn’t a good example.

They had a perfectly healthy daughter who died because she was unsupervised at a pool party and drowned. If she had a seizure while being resuscitated is not the point.

If they had paid for a babysitter that day or simply watched their kid, she would be alive.

It wasn’t even a pool party. It was a visit to a family - a playdate. How hard os it to watch your toddler??

I haven't liked them since the Sarh Mckenna thing either. However, it takes only 20 seconds for a 2-year old to drown. I watched my babies like a hawk around water, but when that happened, it felt like it could have been us and I mourned with them. I am sure she's not the only parent who's looked away for ~ 20 seconds. It was horrible.

They didn't look away, they were nowhere near the kid.

The toddler literally left the house. How does that happen on a playdate in someone else’s home?

You’re making it seem like the kid opened the door and walked 3 blocks away and fell in a pool. Morgan was in the kitchen and the child had been in the attached family/living room (I think articles said it was an open layout). The child opened a french door from the family room/living room and the pool was right there attached to the patio.

No idea where Bode was, but Morgan was provably less than 20’ from her daughter and didn’t see her open the door. I’m sure they didn’t except the backdoor to be unlocked but even if it was, they still didn’t expect their child to fall into a pool and drown.

How do you know this for sure?

If you go to a house with a pool, first you check yourself to make sure doors are locked and can’t be opened by kids before they are out of your sight. You sit near them on the play date, you don’t stay in the kitchen gabbing while your 19 month old wanders off in someone’s home unattended. I learned basic pool safety with kids when I was a teenager and babysat for a family that had a pool. The mom was neurotic about pool safety. One thing she did was always lock the back door that opened to the pool. It was a lock that was at the top of the door that only an adult could open. She always also made sure the pool gate was shut and latched. She would double check it as soon as kids arrived at her house.

Also, kids that young should never be out of your sight.

Agree, Morgan was sipping tea with her neighbor and did not have eyes on her the whole time. And it was probably several minutes, maybe 4 min, not 20 seconds that she did not have eyes on the toddler.

She was at a tea party?

Visiting next door neighbor. Having tea in kitchen. Not a party. Not an evening gathering. Just a playdate, had been there many times.

It was 630 in the evening when she drowned. Not sure why you keep trying to downplay this as a playdate. It’s never been reported as playdate. There was no wild party as was initially reported, but multiple people were at the neighbors house. https://people.com/parents/bode-miller-daughter-drowning-death-details/

Your links says only a couple of people were there.

"Contrary to rumors of a larger gathering, Concialdi says only “a couple of people” were at the neighbor’s house when Emeline wandered away, and “nobody was in the backyard” during the incident."

Is that supposed to be better? That makes it worse. There were only a few people so it wasn't chaotic. They should have known where she was at all times.

Exactly, it was not a chaotic situation. It was not a pool party. It was not a party. It was two moms having tea, older boys playing together in the house, toddler wandering around the house by herself. She didn’t have eyes on the toddler. It was only when she couldn’t hear her toddler anymore, that she checked. Toddler had gone out the back door and walked into the pool. Several minutes went by.

Sorry, all you people saying it could happen to anyone - no. This wouldn’t happen to me. And it wouldn’t happen to me that my kids get carbon monoxide poisoning outside because they’re by themselves watching a large vehicle. And it wouldn’t happen to me that I am involved in a lawsuit to get custody of an unborn child or another child for whom I’m not even the biological mother.

They have poor judgement.

Two things can be true at the same time. These particular people may have poor judgment, and it can happen to anyone.

I honestly find the attitude of the “never me” posters dangerous.

I find the “it can happen to anyone” mentality dangerous.

Not because it’s false, but because it doesn’t contain enough judgment for your liking.

I truly don’t believe it could happen to anyone that a toddler disappears from the house and lets herself out the back door. I am a parent that keeps my kids at toddler age in sight and arms reach at all time. And yes it was exhausting. As a result we did not visit others’ homes much at that age.

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Anonymous wrote:I think they're just really bad parents. I forgot about this one just a year or two after their toddler drowned because they weren't paying attention to her.

https://www.etonline.com/bode-miller-and-wife-morgans-son-has-seizure-is-rushed-to-same-hospital-where-their-daughter-died

How is a child having a seizure the parent’s fault? I agree with you they aren’t good people, but this isn’t a good example.

They had a perfectly healthy daughter who died because she was unsupervised at a pool party and drowned. If she had a seizure while being resuscitated is not the point.

If they had paid for a babysitter that day or simply watched their kid, she would be alive.

It wasn’t even a pool party. It was a visit to a family - a playdate. How hard os it to watch your toddler??

I haven't liked them since the Sarh Mckenna thing either. However, it takes only 20 seconds for a 2-year old to drown. I watched my babies like a hawk around water, but when that happened, it felt like it could have been us and I mourned with them. I am sure she's not the only parent who's looked away for ~ 20 seconds. It was horrible.

They didn't look away, they were nowhere near the kid.

The toddler literally left the house. How does that happen on a playdate in someone else’s home?

You’re making it seem like the kid opened the door and walked 3 blocks away and fell in a pool. Morgan was in the kitchen and the child had been in the attached family/living room (I think articles said it was an open layout). The child opened a french door from the family room/living room and the pool was right there attached to the patio.

No idea where Bode was, but Morgan was provably less than 20’ from her daughter and didn’t see her open the door. I’m sure they didn’t except the backdoor to be unlocked but even if it was, they still didn’t expect their child to fall into a pool and drown.

How do you know this for sure?

If you go to a house with a pool, first you check yourself to make sure doors are locked and can’t be opened by kids before they are out of your sight. You sit near them on the play date, you don’t stay in the kitchen gabbing while your 19 month old wanders off in someone’s home unattended. I learned basic pool safety with kids when I was a teenager and babysat for a family that had a pool. The mom was neurotic about pool safety. One thing she did was always lock the back door that opened to the pool. It was a lock that was at the top of the door that only an adult could open. She always also made sure the pool gate was shut and latched. She would double check it as soon as kids arrived at her house.

Also, kids that young should never be out of your sight.

Agree, Morgan was sipping tea with her neighbor and did not have eyes on her the whole time. And it was probably several minutes, maybe 4 min, not 20 seconds that she did not have eyes on the toddler.

She was at a tea party?

Visiting next door neighbor. Having tea in kitchen. Not a party. Not an evening gathering. Just a playdate, had been there many times.

It was 630 in the evening when she drowned. Not sure why you keep trying to downplay this as a playdate. It’s never been reported as playdate. There was no wild party as was initially reported, but multiple people were at the neighbors house. https://people.com/parents/bode-miller-daughter-drowning-death-details/

Your links says only a couple of people were there.

"Contrary to rumors of a larger gathering, Concialdi says only “a couple of people” were at the neighbor’s house when Emeline wandered away, and “nobody was in the backyard” during the incident."

Is that supposed to be better? That makes it worse. There were only a few people so it wasn't chaotic. They should have known where she was at all times.

Exactly, it was not a chaotic situation. It was not a pool party. It was not a party.It was two moms having tea, older boys playing together in the house, toddler wandering around the house by herself. She didn’t have eyes on the toddler. It was only when she couldn’t hear her toddler anymore, that she checked. Toddler had gone out the back door and walked into the pool. Several minutes went by.

Sorry, all you people saying it could happen to anyone - no. This wouldn’t happen to me. And it wouldn’t happen to me that my kids get carbon monoxide poisoning outside because they’re by themselves watching a large vehicle. And it wouldn’t happen to me that I am involved in a lawsuit to get custody of an unborn child or another child for whom I’m not even the biological mother.

They have poor judgement.

You keep saying this as if it’s true.

It's not from thin air. The detail about drinking tea is from this story:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/olympics/2018/07/30/bode-miller-olympian-morgan-miller-daughter-drowning-death-emmy/862146002/

"She had walked with her kids to the neighbor's house that morning and was drinking tea while they played nearby. "

In a previous link somewhere else in this thread (people.com), it says there were a couple of people in the house.

You're right, I'm assuming the other person of that "couple of people" was an adult, and a mom. And I am assuming the other person was having tea, when they could have been drinking coffee or soda or milk or water.

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Anonymous wrote:I think they're just really bad parents. I forgot about this one just a year or two after their toddler drowned because they weren't paying attention to her.

https://www.etonline.com/bode-miller-and-wife-morgans-son-has-seizure-is-rushed-to-same-hospital-where-their-daughter-died

How is a child having a seizure the parent’s fault? I agree with you they aren’t good people, but this isn’t a good example.

They had a perfectly healthy daughter who died because she was unsupervised at a pool party and drowned. If she had a seizure while being resuscitated is not the point.

If they had paid for a babysitter that day or simply watched their kid, she would be alive.

It wasn’t even a pool party. It was a visit to a family - a playdate. How hard os it to watch your toddler??

I haven't liked them since the Sarh Mckenna thing either. However, it takes only 20 seconds for a 2-year old to drown. I watched my babies like a hawk around water, but when that happened, it felt like it could have been us and I mourned with them. I am sure she's not the only parent who's looked away for ~ 20 seconds. It was horrible.

They didn't look away, they were nowhere near the kid.

The toddler literally left the house. How does that happen on a playdate in someone else’s home?

You’re making it seem like the kid opened the door and walked 3 blocks away and fell in a pool. Morgan was in the kitchen and the child had been in the attached family/living room (I think articles said it was an open layout). The child opened a french door from the family room/living room and the pool was right there attached to the patio.

No idea where Bode was, but Morgan was provably less than 20’ from her daughter and didn’t see her open the door. I’m sure they didn’t except the backdoor to be unlocked but even if it was, they still didn’t expect their child to fall into a pool and drown.

How do you know this for sure?

If you go to a house with a pool, first you check yourself to make sure doors are locked and can’t be opened by kids before they are out of your sight. You sit near them on the play date, you don’t stay in the kitchen gabbing while your 19 month old wanders off in someone’s home unattended. I learned basic pool safety with kids when I was a teenager and babysat for a family that had a pool. The mom was neurotic about pool safety. One thing she did was always lock the back door that opened to the pool. It was a lock that was at the top of the door that only an adult could open. She always also made sure the pool gate was shut and latched. She would double check it as soon as kids arrived at her house.

Also, kids that young should never be out of your sight.

Agree, Morgan was sipping tea with her neighbor and did not have eyes on her the whole time. And it was probably several minutes, maybe 4 min, not 20 seconds that she did not have eyes on the toddler.

She was at a tea party?

Visiting next door neighbor. Having tea in kitchen. Not a party. Not an evening gathering. Just a playdate, had been there many times.

It was 630 in the evening when she drowned. Not sure why you keep trying to downplay this as a playdate. It’s never been reported as playdate. There was no wild party as was initially reported, but multiple people were at the neighbors house. https://people.com/parents/bode-miller-daughter-drowning-death-details/

Your links says only a couple of people were there.

"Contrary to rumors of a larger gathering, Concialdi says only “a couple of people” were at the neighbor’s house when Emeline wandered away, and “nobody was in the backyard” during the incident."

Is that supposed to be better? That makes it worse. There were only a few people so it wasn't chaotic. They should have known where she was at all times.

Exactly, it was not a chaotic situation. It was not a pool party. It was not a party.It was two moms having tea, older boys playing together in the house, toddler wandering around the house by herself. She didn’t have eyes on the toddler. It was only when she couldn’t hear her toddler anymore, that she checked. Toddler had gone out the back door and walked into the pool. Several minutes went by.

Sorry, all you people saying it could happen to anyone - no. This wouldn’t happen to me. And it wouldn’t happen to me that my kids get carbon monoxide poisoning outside because they’re by themselves watching a large vehicle. And it wouldn’t happen to me that I am involved in a lawsuit to get custody of an unborn child or another child for whom I’m not even the biological mother.

They have poor judgement.

You keep saying this as if it’s true.

Ok so maybe they weren’t having tea. That’s not the point. It was not a gathering or party of any kind. It was a get together with the neighbors, a playdate basically. Bode was not there. Why are you so focused on tea?!

Because facts matter and you keep posting made up things. All that has been said is it wasn’t a party, but that several people were there. In the evening. You keep posting this was a playdate between 2 moms to further your agenda.

You're arguing with two different posters.

She WAS having TEA! There was one other person, most probably a mom, and not a dad, or nanny or other adult. Two moms, at one of the mom's houses, talking together and having tea or some other drink and food, while children are playing --> This is called a PLAYDATE.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/olympic...eath-emmy/862146002/

"She had walked with her kids to the neighbor's house that morning and was drinking tea while they played nearby. "

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Anonymous wrote:I think they're just really bad parents. I forgot about this one just a year or two after their toddler drowned because they weren't paying attention to her.

https://www.etonline.com/bode-miller-and-wife-morgans-son-has-seizure-is-rushed-to-same-hospital-where-their-daughter-died

How is a child having a seizure the parent’s fault? I agree with you they aren’t good people, but this isn’t a good example.

They had a perfectly healthy daughter who died because she was unsupervised at a pool party and drowned. If she had a seizure while being resuscitated is not the point.

If they had paid for a babysitter that day or simply watched their kid, she would be alive.

It wasn’t even a pool party. It was a visit to a family - a playdate. How hard os it to watch your toddler??

I haven't liked them since the Sarh Mckenna thing either. However, it takes only 20 seconds for a 2-year old to drown. I watched my babies like a hawk around water, but when that happened, it felt like it could have been us and I mourned with them. I am sure she's not the only parent who's looked away for ~ 20 seconds. It was horrible.

They didn't look away, they were nowhere near the kid.

The toddler literally left the house. How does that happen on a playdate in someone else’s home?

You’re making it seem like the kid opened the door and walked 3 blocks away and fell in a pool. Morgan was in the kitchen and the child had been in the attached family/living room (I think articles said it was an open layout). The child opened a french door from the family room/living room and the pool was right there attached to the patio.

No idea where Bode was, but Morgan was provably less than 20’ from her daughter and didn’t see her open the door. I’m sure they didn’t except the backdoor to be unlocked but even if it was, they still didn’t expect their child to fall into a pool and drown.

How do you know this for sure?

If you go to a house with a pool, first you check yourself to make sure doors are locked and can’t be opened by kids before they are out of your sight. You sit near them on the play date, you don’t stay in the kitchen gabbing while your 19 month old wanders off in someone’s home unattended. I learned basic pool safety with kids when I was a teenager and babysat for a family that had a pool. The mom was neurotic about pool safety. One thing she did was always lock the back door that opened to the pool. It was a lock that was at the top of the door that only an adult could open. She always also made sure the pool gate was shut and latched. She would double check it as soon as kids arrived at her house.

Also, kids that young should never be out of your sight.

Agree, Morgan was sipping tea with her neighbor and did not have eyes on her the whole time. And it was probably several minutes, maybe 4 min, not 20 seconds that she did not have eyes on the toddler.

She was at a tea party?

Visiting next door neighbor. Having tea in kitchen. Not a party. Not an evening gathering. Just a playdate, had been there many times.

It was 630 in the evening when she drowned. Not sure why you keep trying to downplay this as a playdate. It’s never been reported as playdate. There was no wild party as was initially reported, but multiple people were at the neighbors house. https://people.com/parents/bode-miller-daughter-drowning-death-details/

Your links says only a couple of people were there.

"Contrary to rumors of a larger gathering, Concialdi says only “a couple of people” were at the neighbor’s house when Emeline wandered away, and “nobody was in the backyard” during the incident."

Is that supposed to be better? That makes it worse. There were only a few people so it wasn't chaotic. They should have known where she was at all times.

Exactly, it was not a chaotic situation. It was not a pool party. It was not a party.It was two moms having tea, older boys playing together in the house, toddler wandering around the house by herself. She didn’t have eyes on the toddler. It was only when she couldn’t hear her toddler anymore, that she checked. Toddler had gone out the back door and walked into the pool. Several minutes went by.

Sorry, all you people saying it could happen to anyone - no. This wouldn’t happen to me. And it wouldn’t happen to me that my kids get carbon monoxide poisoning outside because they’re by themselves watching a large vehicle. And it wouldn’t happen to me that I am involved in a lawsuit to get custody of an unborn child or another child for whom I’m not even the biological mother.

They have poor judgement.

You keep saying this as if it’s true.

Ok so maybe they weren’t having tea. That’s not the point. It was not a gathering or party of any kind. It was a get together with the neighbors, a playdate basically. Bode was not there. Why are you so focused on tea?!

Because facts matter and you keep posting made up things. All that has been said is it wasn’t a party, but that several people were there. In the evening. You keep posting this was a playdate between 2 moms to further your agenda.

You're arguing with two different posters.

She WAS having TEA! There was one other person, most probably a mom, and not a dad, or nanny or other adult. Two moms, at one of the mom's houses, talking together and having tea or some other drink and food, while children are playing --> This is called a PLAYDATE.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/olympic...eath-emmy/862146002/

"She had walked with her kids to the neighbor's house that morning and was drinking tea while they played nearby. "

+1 also I noticed she said the kids were playing in a downstairs guest bedroom nearby while she was having tea and with the moms. Her eyes were not on Emmy, sadly. The kids were in another room. They were in the level with the door that led to the pool.

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Anonymous wrote:I think they're just really bad parents. I forgot about this one just a year or two after their toddler drowned because they weren't paying attention to her.

https://www.etonline.com/bode-miller-and-wife-morgans-son-has-seizure-is-rushed-to-same-hospital-where-their-daughter-died

How is a child having a seizure the parent’s fault? I agree with you they aren’t good people, but this isn’t a good example.

They had a perfectly healthy daughter who died because she was unsupervised at a pool party and drowned. If she had a seizure while being resuscitated is not the point.

If they had paid for a babysitter that day or simply watched their kid, she would be alive.

It wasn’t even a pool party. It was a visit to a family - a playdate. How hard os it to watch your toddler??

I haven't liked them since the Sarh Mckenna thing either. However, it takes only 20 seconds for a 2-year old to drown. I watched my babies like a hawk around water, but when that happened, it felt like it could have been us and I mourned with them. I am sure she's not the only parent who's looked away for ~ 20 seconds. It was horrible.

They didn't look away, they were nowhere near the kid.

The toddler literally left the house. How does that happen on a playdate in someone else’s home?

You’re making it seem like the kid opened the door and walked 3 blocks away and fell in a pool. Morgan was in the kitchen and the child had been in the attached family/living room (I think articles said it was an open layout). The child opened a french door from the family room/living room and the pool was right there attached to the patio.

No idea where Bode was, but Morgan was provably less than 20’ from her daughter and didn’t see her open the door. I’m sure they didn’t except the backdoor to be unlocked but even if it was, they still didn’t expect their child to fall into a pool and drown.

How do you know this for sure?

If you go to a house with a pool, first you check yourself to make sure doors are locked and can’t be opened by kids before they are out of your sight. You sit near them on the play date, you don’t stay in the kitchen gabbing while your 19 month old wanders off in someone’s home unattended. I learned basic pool safety with kids when I was a teenager and babysat for a family that had a pool. The mom was neurotic about pool safety. One thing she did was always lock the back door that opened to the pool. It was a lock that was at the top of the door that only an adult could open. She always also made sure the pool gate was shut and latched. She would double check it as soon as kids arrived at her house.

Also, kids that young should never be out of your sight.

Agree, Morgan was sipping tea with her neighbor and did not have eyes on her the whole time. And it was probably several minutes, maybe 4 min, not 20 seconds that she did not have eyes on the toddler.

She was at a tea party?

Visiting next door neighbor. Having tea in kitchen. Not a party. Not an evening gathering. Just a playdate, had been there many times.

It was 630 in the evening when she drowned. Not sure why you keep trying to downplay this as a playdate. It’s never been reported as playdate. There was no wild party as was initially reported, but multiple people were at the neighbors house. https://people.com/parents/bode-miller-daughter-drowning-death-details/

Your links says only a couple of people were there.

"Contrary to rumors of a larger gathering, Concialdi says only “a couple of people” were at the neighbor’s house when Emeline wandered away, and “nobody was in the backyard” during the incident."

Is that supposed to be better? That makes it worse. There were only a few people so it wasn't chaotic. They should have known where she was at all times.

Exactly, it was not a chaotic situation. It was not a pool party. It was not a party.It was two moms having tea, older boys playing together in the house, toddler wandering around the house by herself. She didn’t have eyes on the toddler. It was only when she couldn’t hear her toddler anymore, that she checked. Toddler had gone out the back door and walked into the pool. Several minutes went by.

Sorry, all you people saying it could happen to anyone - no. This wouldn’t happen to me. And it wouldn’t happen to me that my kids get carbon monoxide poisoning outside because they’re by themselves watching a large vehicle. And it wouldn’t happen to me that I am involved in a lawsuit to get custody of an unborn child or another child for whom I’m not even the biological mother.

They have poor judgement.

You keep saying this as if it’s true.

Ok so maybe they weren’t having tea. That’s not the point. It was not a gathering or party of any kind. It was a get together with the neighbors, a playdate basically. Bode was not there. Why are you so focused on tea?!

Because facts matter and you keep posting made up things. All that has been said is it wasn’t a party, but that several people were there. In the evening. You keep posting this was a playdate between 2 moms to further your agenda.

You're arguing with two different posters.

She WAS having TEA! There was one other person, most probably a mom, and not a dad, or nanny or other adult. Two moms, at one of the mom's houses, talking together and having tea or some other drink and food, while children are playing --> This is called a PLAYDATE.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/olympic...eath-emmy/862146002/

"She had walked with her kids to the neighbor's house that morning and was drinking tea while they played nearby. "

+1 also I noticed she said the kids were playing in a downstairs guest bedroom nearby while she was having tea and with the moms. Her eyes were not on Emmy, sadly. The kids were in another room. They were in the level with the door that led to the pool.

And she also said Emmy would run back and forth from the room to where Morgan and the moms were. My guess is Emmy went to the room (which of course is out of sight). Morgan relied on sound, not sight to watch her at that point. She said it got too quiet. Then she went to the room and checked and asked where Emmy was. That was the mistake. Morgan shouldn’t have let her 19 month old play alone in a room near the door to the pool while out of sight. It’s very sad but completely preventable.

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Anonymous wrote:I think they're just really bad parents. I forgot about this one just a year or two after their toddler drowned because they weren't paying attention to her.

https://www.etonline.com/bode-miller-and-wife-morgans-son-has-seizure-is-rushed-to-same-hospital-where-their-daughter-died

How is a child having a seizure the parent’s fault? I agree with you they aren’t good people, but this isn’t a good example.

They had a perfectly healthy daughter who died because she was unsupervised at a pool party and drowned. If she had a seizure while being resuscitated is not the point.

If they had paid for a babysitter that day or simply watched their kid, she would be alive.

It wasn’t even a pool party. It was a visit to a family - a playdate. How hard os it to watch your toddler??

I haven't liked them since the Sarh Mckenna thing either. However, it takes only 20 seconds for a 2-year old to drown. I watched my babies like a hawk around water, but when that happened, it felt like it could have been us and I mourned with them. I am sure she's not the only parent who's looked away for ~ 20 seconds. It was horrible.

They didn't look away, they were nowhere near the kid.

The toddler literally left the house. How does that happen on a playdate in someone else’s home?

You’re making it seem like the kid opened the door and walked 3 blocks away and fell in a pool. Morgan was in the kitchen and the child had been in the attached family/living room (I think articles said it was an open layout). The child opened a french door from the family room/living room and the pool was right there attached to the patio.

No idea where Bode was, but Morgan was provably less than 20’ from her daughter and didn’t see her open the door. I’m sure they didn’t except the backdoor to be unlocked but even if it was, they still didn’t expect their child to fall into a pool and drown.

How do you know this for sure?

If you go to a house with a pool, first you check yourself to make sure doors are locked and can’t be opened by kids before they are out of your sight. You sit near them on the play date, you don’t stay in the kitchen gabbing while your 19 month old wanders off in someone’s home unattended. I learned basic pool safety with kids when I was a teenager and babysat for a family that had a pool. The mom was neurotic about pool safety. One thing she did was always lock the back door that opened to the pool. It was a lock that was at the top of the door that only an adult could open. She always also made sure the pool gate was shut and latched. She would double check it as soon as kids arrived at her house.

Also, kids that young should never be out of your sight.

Agree, Morgan was sipping tea with her neighbor and did not have eyes on her the whole time. And it was probably several minutes, maybe 4 min, not 20 seconds that she did not have eyes on the toddler.

She was at a tea party?

Visiting next door neighbor. Having tea in kitchen. Not a party. Not an evening gathering. Just a playdate, had been there many times.

It was 630 in the evening when she drowned. Not sure why you keep trying to downplay this as a playdate. It’s never been reported as playdate. There was no wild party as was initially reported, but multiple people were at the neighbors house. https://people.com/parents/bode-miller-daughter-drowning-death-details/

Your links says only a couple of people were there.

"Contrary to rumors of a larger gathering, Concialdi says only “a couple of people” were at the neighbor’s house when Emeline wandered away, and “nobody was in the backyard” during the incident."

Is that supposed to be better? That makes it worse. There were only a few people so it wasn't chaotic. They should have known where she was at all times.

Exactly, it was not a chaotic situation. It was not a pool party. It was not a party.It was two moms having tea, older boys playing together in the house, toddler wandering around the house by herself. She didn’t have eyes on the toddler. It was only when she couldn’t hear her toddler anymore, that she checked. Toddler had gone out the back door and walked into the pool. Several minutes went by.

Sorry, all you people saying it could happen to anyone - no. This wouldn’t happen to me. And it wouldn’t happen to me that my kids get carbon monoxide poisoning outside because they’re by themselves watching a large vehicle. And it wouldn’t happen to me that I am involved in a lawsuit to get custody of an unborn child or another child for whom I’m not even the biological mother.

They have poor judgement.

You keep saying this as if it’s true.

Different poster, but that IS true. I read several news accounts at the time wherein she was quoted as relating that story to the press. She was visiting a friend and gossiping over tea. She clearly assumed that the older kids would keep an eye out for the toddler and they didn’t and should not have been expected to.

She’s very obviously a neglectful mother in the sense that she has repeatedly demonstrated an inability to appreciate risks in the environment relative to the age of her kids. Moreover she then endlessly publicizes her kids as having suffered from her neglectful parenting - she’s got them all over social media in hospital beds with O2 masks on and she never shut up about the dead one for the longest time - oh she still hasn’t, she brought it up again related to nearly killing the siblings.

Interesting that she’s neglectfully asphyxiated them all - I suspect they might in future consider her a smothering mother. I think she has some kind of mental disorder going on with the constant desperate need for attention that so utterly violates her children’s privacy.

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As to the poster who decries those of us who refuse to offer unqualified sympathy - sorry, but I DO have unqualified sympathy for the children whose lives are cut short, often brutally, by the negligence of their parents.

Dead children get my sympathy, not the parents who got them dead by parenting failure.

The woman in Arizona who ran her six year old over with an outboard motorboat, cutting her to pieces and ending her life because six adults couldn’t keep track of six children while boating on the water is a great example. Nearly all of these horrific tragedies ending in the death or disabling or permanent disfigurement of a child are the result of negligent parenting or guardianship of the child by one or more responsible adults who didn’t act responsibly. It’s hard to care for kids and keep them safe from the kinds of risks their brains are too undeveloped to appreciate. But many many people manage it and those who don’t are in almost all cases negligent. It makes me angry that children as so undervalued in our society that we write off justice for them by declaring the parent’s guilt and grief as punishment enough.

If society tells you it’s sad and tragic but ultimately okay to negligently kill your kid, what disincentive is there that might compel you to be a better parent in future? The Miller family is the example of how a negligent parent continues being negligent. Nobody even made her take a parenting course after her unattended toddler drowned, I’m sure. And then she nearly suffocated all her other kids to death.

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Anonymous wrote:As to the poster who decries those of us who refuse to offer unqualified sympathy - sorry, but I DO have unqualified sympathy for the children whose lives are cut short, often brutally, by the negligence of their parents.

Dead children get my sympathy, not the parents who got them dead by parenting failure.

The woman in Arizona who ran her six year old over with an outboard motorboat, cutting her to pieces and ending her life because six adults couldn’t keep track of six children while boating on the water is a great example. Nearly all of these horrific tragedies ending in the death or disabling or permanent disfigurement of a child are the result of negligent parenting or guardianship of the child by one or more responsible adults who didn’t act responsibly. It’s hard to care for kids and keep them safe from the kinds of risks their brains are too undeveloped to appreciate. But many many people manage it and those who don’t are in almost all cases negligent. It makes me angry that children as so undervalued in our society that we write off justice for them by declaring the parent’s guilt and grief as punishment enough.

If society tells you it’s sad and tragic but ultimately okay to negligently kill your kid, what disincentive is there that might compel you to be a better parent in future? The Miller family is the example of how a negligent parent continues being negligent. Nobody even made her take a parenting course after her unattended toddler drowned, I’m sure. And then she nearly suffocated all her other kids to death.

I will say I don’t understand the carbon monoxide thing as it was outside. That one I’m iffy about.

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Anonymous wrote:As to the poster who decries those of us who refuse to offer unqualified sympathy - sorry, but I DO have unqualified sympathy for the children whose lives are cut short, often brutally, by the negligence of their parents.

Dead children get my sympathy, not the parents who got them dead by parenting failure.

The woman in Arizona who ran her six year old over with an outboard motorboat, cutting her to pieces and ending her life because six adults couldn’t keep track of six children while boating on the water is a great example. Nearly all of these horrific tragedies ending in the death or disabling or permanent disfigurement of a child are the result of negligent parenting or guardianship of the child by one or more responsible adults who didn’t act responsibly. It’s hard to care for kids and keep them safe from the kinds of risks their brains are too undeveloped to appreciate. But many many people manage it and those who don’t are in almost all cases negligent. It makes me angry that children as so undervalued in our society that we write off justice for them by declaring the parent’s guilt and grief as punishment enough.

If society tells you it’s sad and tragic but ultimately okay to negligently kill your kid, what disincentive is there that might compel you to be a better parent in future? The Miller family is the example of how a negligent parent continues being negligent. Nobody even made her take a parenting course after her unattended toddler drowned, I’m sure. And then she nearly suffocated all her other kids to death.

I'm the poster you are railing at. I started posting in this thread because of all of the posts agreeing that the parents here are cursed because of what has befallen their children.

While I strenuously disagree with your point generally, it is telling that THIS is what you object to and not the posters cackling with glee about Bode and Morgan Miller getting hit by karma in the form of a child dying. My rage started because people seemed to think that they deserved the death of a three year old and ignoring the fact that the child is the one who was hurt there. So focused on the parents actions they were blind to the fact that an actual literal real life human child died and the loss of her life impacted no one more than HER.

So feel proud of yourself for being such a wonderful parent and judgmental person but question why you hold such viciousness for parents but seem to fall into the same trap others do of having your bloodthirst for guilt and shame be greater than your awareness of the children impacted by these events.

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Anonymous wrote:As to the poster who decries those of us who refuse to offer unqualified sympathy - sorry, but I DO have unqualified sympathy for the children whose lives are cut short, often brutally, by the negligence of their parents.

Dead children get my sympathy, not the parents who got them dead by parenting failure.

The woman in Arizona who ran her six year old over with an outboard motorboat, cutting her to pieces and ending her life because six adults couldn’t keep track of six children while boating on the water is a great example. Nearly all of these horrific tragedies ending in the death or disabling or permanent disfigurement of a child are the result of negligent parenting or guardianship of the child by one or more responsible adults who didn’t act responsibly. It’s hard to care for kids and keep them safe from the kinds of risks their brains are too undeveloped to appreciate. But many many people manage it and those who don’t are in almost all cases negligent. It makes me angry that children as so undervalued in our society that we write off justice for them by declaring the parent’s guilt and grief as punishment enough.

If society tells you it’s sad and tragic but ultimately okay to negligently kill your kid, what disincentive is there that might compel you to be a better parent in future? The Miller family is the example of how a negligent parent continues being negligent. Nobody even made her take a parenting course after her unattended toddler drowned, I’m sure. And then she nearly suffocated all her other kids to death.

I'm the poster you are railing at. I started posting in this thread because of all of the posts agreeing that the parents here are cursed because of what has befallen their children.

While I strenuously disagree with your point generally, it is telling that THIS is what you object to and not the posters cackling with glee about Bode and Morgan Miller getting hit by karma in the form of a child dying. My rage started because people seemed to think that they deserved the death of a three year old and ignoring the fact that the child is the one who was hurt there. So focused on the parents actions they were blind to the fact that an actual literal real life human child died and the loss of her life impacted no one more than HER.

So feel proud of yourself for being such a wonderful parent and judgmental person but question why you hold such viciousness for parents but seem to fall into the same trap others do of having your bloodthirst for guilt and shame be greater than your awareness of the children impacted by these events.

Where have you been? Emmy was 19 months old! Not 3.

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Anonymous wrote:As to the poster who decries those of us who refuse to offer unqualified sympathy - sorry, but I DO have unqualified sympathy for the children whose lives are cut short, often brutally, by the negligence of their parents.

Dead children get my sympathy, not the parents who got them dead by parenting failure.

The woman in Arizona who ran her six year old over with an outboard motorboat, cutting her to pieces and ending her life because six adults couldn’t keep track of six children while boating on the water is a great example. Nearly all of these horrific tragedies ending in the death or disabling or permanent disfigurement of a child are the result of negligent parenting or guardianship of the child by one or more responsible adults who didn’t act responsibly. It’s hard to care for kids and keep them safe from the kinds of risks their brains are too undeveloped to appreciate. But many many people manage it and those who don’t are in almost all cases negligent. It makes me angry that children as so undervalued in our society that we write off justice for them by declaring the parent’s guilt and grief as punishment enough.

If society tells you it’s sad and tragic but ultimately okay to negligently kill your kid, what disincentive is there that might compel you to be a better parent in future? The Miller family is the example of how a negligent parent continues being negligent. Nobody even made her take a parenting course after her unattended toddler drowned, I’m sure. And then she nearly suffocated all her other kids to death.

I will say I don’t understand the carbon monoxide thing as it was outside. That one I’m iffy about.

You lost me at "nearly suffocated all her other kids to death." The source of the carbon monoxide poisoning was outdoors and did not belong to the Millers.