Bode and Morgan Miller's Kids - bad luck

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Anonymous wrote:I think they're just really bad parents. I forgot about this one just a year or two after their toddler drowned because they weren't paying attention to her.

https://www.etonline.com/bode-miller-and-wife-morgans-son-has-seizure-is-rushed-to-same-hospital-where-their-daughter-died

How is a child having a seizure the parent’s fault? I agree with you they aren’t good people, but this isn’t a good example.

They had a perfectly healthy daughter who died because she was unsupervised at a pool party and drowned. If she had a seizure while being resuscitated is not the point.

If they had paid for a babysitter that day or simply watched their kid, she would be alive.

It wasn’t even a pool party. It was a visit to a family - a playdate. How hard os it to watch your toddler??

I haven't liked them since the Sarh Mckenna thing either. However, it takes only 20 seconds for a 2-year old to drown. I watched my babies like a hawk around water, but when that happened, it felt like it could have been us and I mourned with them. I am sure she's not the only parent who's looked away for ~ 20 seconds. It was horrible.

They didn't look away, they were nowhere near the kid.

The toddler literally left the house. How does that happen on a playdate in someone else’s home?

You’re making it seem like the kid opened the door and walked 3 blocks away and fell in a pool. Morgan was in the kitchen and the child had been in the attached family/living room (I think articles said it was an open layout). The child opened a french door from the family room/living room and the pool was right there attached to the patio.

No idea where Bode was, but Morgan was provably less than 20’ from her daughter and didn’t see her open the door. I’m sure they didn’t except the backdoor to be unlocked but even if it was, they still didn’t expect their child to fall into a pool and drown.

How do you know this for sure?

If you go to a house with a pool, first you check yourself to make sure doors are locked and can’t be opened by kids before they are out of your sight. You sit near them on the play date, you don’t stay in the kitchen gabbing while your 19 month old wanders off in someone’s home unattended. I learned basic pool safety with kids when I was a teenager and babysat for a family that had a pool. The mom was neurotic about pool safety. One thing she did was always lock the back door that opened to the pool. It was a lock that was at the top of the door that only an adult could open. She always also made sure the pool gate was shut and latched. She would double check it as soon as kids arrived at her house.

Also, kids that young should never be out of your sight.

Agree, Morgan was sipping tea with her neighbor and did not have eyes on her the whole time. And it was probably several minutes, maybe 4 min, not 20 seconds that she did not have eyes on the toddler.

She was at a tea party?

Visiting next door neighbor. Having tea in kitchen. Not a party. Not an evening gathering. Just a playdate, had been there many times.

It was 630 in the evening when she drowned. Not sure why you keep trying to downplay this as a playdate. It’s never been reported as playdate. There was no wild party as was initially reported, but multiple people were at the neighbors house. https://people.com/parents/bode-miller-daughter-drowning-death-details/

Your links says only a couple of people were there.

"Contrary to rumors of a larger gathering, Concialdi says only “a couple of people” were at the neighbor’s house when Emeline wandered away, and “nobody was in the backyard” during the incident."

Is that supposed to be better? That makes it worse. There were only a few people so it wasn't chaotic. They should have known where she was at all times.

Exactly, it was not a chaotic situation. It was not a pool party. It was not a party. It was two moms having tea, older boys playing together in the house, toddler wandering around the house by herself. She didn’t have eyes on the toddler. It was only when she couldn’t hear her toddler anymore, that she checked. Toddler had gone out the back door and walked into the pool. Several minutes went by.

Sorry, all you people saying it could happen to anyone - no. This wouldn’t happen to me. And it wouldn’t happen to me that my kids get carbon monoxide poisoning outside because they’re by themselves watching a large vehicle. And it wouldn’t happen to me that I am involved in a lawsuit to get custody of an unborn child or another child for whom I’m not even the biological mother.

They have poor judgement.

Two things can be true at the same time. These particular people may have poor judgment, and it can happen to anyone.

I honestly find the attitude of the “never me” posters dangerous.

I find the “it can happen to anyone” mentality dangerous.

No, it is true.

And understanding that this statement is true could literally be lifesaving (because you understand the need for physical barriers like four sided fencing). Human vigilance is the weakest link in the chain.

I have literally heard a mom whose child drowned in the backyard pool say, “I thought this only happened to people who did not watch their children.”

Someone wasn’t watching her child, or the child would not have drowned in a backyard pool.

Backyard and municipal pool drownings are always a result of somebody’s negligence, full stop. Every single such drowning is entirely preventable with proper supervision.

Drownings on open water can be a result of weather/water conditions, but even then usually involve some level of poor judgment employed by the child’s parents or guardians - i.e., knowing better than to let a child swim in rip tide conditions or in big waves without wearing a PFD, or knowing to supervise little kids so they don’t wander down to the pond adjacent to your property.

The only drownings that occur which I would not hold parents/guardians fully responsible for are secondary drownings. Because of poor education many parents don’t even know this phenomenon exists, or that it can happen to any kid who inhales a little bit of water in the bath or while swimming recreationally.

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Anonymous wrote:As to the poster who decries those of us who refuse to offer unqualified sympathy - sorry, but I DO have unqualified sympathy for the children whose lives are cut short, often brutally, by the negligence of their parents.

Dead children get my sympathy, not the parents who got them dead by parenting failure.

The woman in Arizona who ran her six year old over with an outboard motorboat, cutting her to pieces and ending her life because six adults couldn’t keep track of six children while boating on the water is a great example. Nearly all of these horrific tragedies ending in the death or disabling or permanent disfigurement of a child are the result of negligent parenting or guardianship of the child by one or more responsible adults who didn’t act responsibly. It’s hard to care for kids and keep them safe from the kinds of risks their brains are too undeveloped to appreciate. But many many people manage it and those who don’t are in almost all cases negligent. It makes me angry that children as so undervalued in our society that we write off justice for them by declaring the parent’s guilt and grief as punishment enough.

If society tells you it’s sad and tragic but ultimately okay to negligently kill your kid, what disincentive is there that might compel you to be a better parent in future? The Miller family is the example of how a negligent parent continues being negligent. Nobody even made her take a parenting course after her unattended toddler drowned, I’m sure. And then she nearly suffocated all her other kids to death.

I'm the poster you are railing at. I started posting in this thread because of all of the posts agreeing that the parents here are cursed because of what has befallen their children.

While I strenuously disagree with your point generally, it is telling that THIS is what you object to and not the posters cackling with glee about Bode and Morgan Miller getting hit by karma in the form of a child dying. My rage started because people seemed to think that they deserved the death of a three year old and ignoring the fact that the child is the one who was hurt there. So focused on the parents actions they were blind to the fact that an actual literal real life human child died and the loss of her life impacted no one more than HER.

So feel proud of yourself for being such a wonderful parent and judgmental person but question why you hold such viciousness for parents but seem to fall into the same trap others do of having your bloodthirst for guilt and shame be greater than your awareness of the children impacted by these events.

Not one poster is cackling with glee over the child’s death. There are some that are saying this might be karma for the awful thing they did to Sara’s son Sam (which they renamed Nate without her permission) but that is absolutely not the same as taking delight in it.

And by the way, Morgan referred to Nate as she was explaining her neglect of Emmy.

They seem to be quite satisfied with 'karma' hitting them and cursing them, despite the fact that that karma is coming in the form of a separate innocent human being.

You’re reading too much into it. Maybe this isn’t the right place for you.

I'm fine, if my judgement bothers you feel free to ignore me

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Anonymous wrote:I think they're just really bad parents. I forgot about this one just a year or two after their toddler drowned because they weren't paying attention to her.

https://www.etonline.com/bode-miller-and-wife-morgans-son-has-seizure-is-rushed-to-same-hospital-where-their-daughter-died

How is a child having a seizure the parent’s fault? I agree with you they aren’t good people, but this isn’t a good example.

They had a perfectly healthy daughter who died because she was unsupervised at a pool party and drowned. If she had a seizure while being resuscitated is not the point.

If they had paid for a babysitter that day or simply watched their kid, she would be alive.

It wasn’t even a pool party. It was a visit to a family - a playdate. How hard os it to watch your toddler??

I haven't liked them since the Sarh Mckenna thing either. However, it takes only 20 seconds for a 2-year old to drown. I watched my babies like a hawk around water, but when that happened, it felt like it could have been us and I mourned with them. I am sure she's not the only parent who's looked away for ~ 20 seconds. It was horrible.

They didn't look away, they were nowhere near the kid.

The toddler literally left the house. How does that happen on a playdate in someone else’s home?

You’re making it seem like the kid opened the door and walked 3 blocks away and fell in a pool. Morgan was in the kitchen and the child had been in the attached family/living room (I think articles said it was an open layout). The child opened a french door from the family room/living room and the pool was right there attached to the patio.

No idea where Bode was, but Morgan was provably less than 20’ from her daughter and didn’t see her open the door. I’m sure they didn’t except the backdoor to be unlocked but even if it was, they still didn’t expect their child to fall into a pool and drown.

How do you know this for sure?

If you go to a house with a pool, first you check yourself to make sure doors are locked and can’t be opened by kids before they are out of your sight. You sit near them on the play date, you don’t stay in the kitchen gabbing while your 19 month old wanders off in someone’s home unattended. I learned basic pool safety with kids when I was a teenager and babysat for a family that had a pool. The mom was neurotic about pool safety. One thing she did was always lock the back door that opened to the pool. It was a lock that was at the top of the door that only an adult could open. She always also made sure the pool gate was shut and latched. She would double check it as soon as kids arrived at her house.

Also, kids that young should never be out of your sight.

Agree, Morgan was sipping tea with her neighbor and did not have eyes on her the whole time. And it was probably several minutes, maybe 4 min, not 20 seconds that she did not have eyes on the toddler.

She was at a tea party?

Visiting next door neighbor. Having tea in kitchen. Not a party. Not an evening gathering. Just a playdate, had been there many times.

It was 630 in the evening when she drowned. Not sure why you keep trying to downplay this as a playdate. It’s never been reported as playdate. There was no wild party as was initially reported, but multiple people were at the neighbors house. https://people.com/parents/bode-miller-daughter-drowning-death-details/

Your links says only a couple of people were there.

"Contrary to rumors of a larger gathering, Concialdi says only “a couple of people” were at the neighbor’s house when Emeline wandered away, and “nobody was in the backyard” during the incident."

Is that supposed to be better? That makes it worse. There were only a few people so it wasn't chaotic. They should have known where she was at all times.

Exactly, it was not a chaotic situation. It was not a pool party. It was not a party. It was two moms having tea, older boys playing together in the house, toddler wandering around the house by herself. She didn’t have eyes on the toddler. It was only when she couldn’t hear her toddler anymore, that she checked. Toddler had gone out the back door and walked into the pool. Several minutes went by.

Sorry, all you people saying it could happen to anyone - no. This wouldn’t happen to me. And it wouldn’t happen to me that my kids get carbon monoxide poisoning outside because they’re by themselves watching a large vehicle. And it wouldn’t happen to me that I am involved in a lawsuit to get custody of an unborn child or another child for whom I’m not even the biological mother.

They have poor judgement.

Two things can be true at the same time. These particular people may have poor judgment, and it can happen to anyone.

I honestly find the attitude of the “never me” posters dangerous.

I find the “it can happen to anyone” mentality dangerous.

No, it is true.

And understanding that this statement is true could literally be lifesaving (because you understand the need for physical barriers like four sided fencing). Human vigilance is the weakest link in the chain.

I have literally heard a mom whose child drowned in the backyard pool say, “I thought this only happened to people who did not watch their children.”

Someone wasn’t watching her child, or the child would not have drowned in a backyard pool.

Backyard and municipal pool drownings are always a result of somebody’s negligence, full stop. Every single such drowning is entirely preventable with proper supervision.

Drownings on open water can be a result of weather/water conditions, but even then usually involve some level of poor judgment employed by the child’s parents or guardians - i.e., knowing better than to let a child swim in rip tide conditions or in big waves without wearing a PFD, or knowing to supervise little kids so they don’t wander down to the pond adjacent to your property.

The only drownings that occur which I would not hold parents/guardians fully responsible for are secondary drownings. Because of poor education many parents don’t even know this phenomenon exists, or that it can happen to any kid who inhales a little bit of water in the bath or while swimming recreationally.

People like you, who believe parents can be superhuman and watch children constantly, a literal impossibility (and I know some of you think I'm wrong but you all have to pee sometimes, or get food poisoning or shower or have sex with your spouse or any other number of things that mean you haven't literally had eyes on a toddler every waking moment of its life), and want to judge them with smug sanctimony, are the LITERAL REASON we don't have common sense legislation in place that would require safety mechanisms around pools in this country that would save lives. The more people believe this is a moral failing the less willing they are to do something to fix it.

See also hot car deaths. Why there isn't legislation mandating weight sensors in the back of cars is a mystery to me. Or no wait its not, they don't do it because they think it is murderous parents not sleep deprived zombies who do this. Vengeance does not save children's lives. And this is exactly why I have been so annoying on this thread about how people are using the word karma. People think children deserve what their parents provide, that they deserve to suffer for the sins of their parents. BUT THEY DO NOT. I'm sure all you jerks are pro lifers too. These are HUMAN BEINGS who we could SAVE with common sense safety legislation, but no, same thing with the stupid guns. We can blame a human, so we don't invent something to SAVE INNOCENT CHILDREN.

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Anonymous wrote:I think they're just really bad parents. I forgot about this one just a year or two after their toddler drowned because they weren't paying attention to her.

https://www.etonline.com/bode-miller-and-wife-morgans-son-has-seizure-is-rushed-to-same-hospital-where-their-daughter-died

How is a child having a seizure the parent’s fault? I agree with you they aren’t good people, but this isn’t a good example.

They had a perfectly healthy daughter who died because she was unsupervised at a pool party and drowned. If she had a seizure while being resuscitated is not the point.

If they had paid for a babysitter that day or simply watched their kid, she would be alive.

It wasn’t even a pool party. It was a visit to a family - a playdate. How hard os it to watch your toddler??

I haven't liked them since the Sarh Mckenna thing either. However, it takes only 20 seconds for a 2-year old to drown. I watched my babies like a hawk around water, but when that happened, it felt like it could have been us and I mourned with them. I am sure she's not the only parent who's looked away for ~ 20 seconds. It was horrible.

They didn't look away, they were nowhere near the kid.

The toddler literally left the house. How does that happen on a playdate in someone else’s home?

You’re making it seem like the kid opened the door and walked 3 blocks away and fell in a pool. Morgan was in the kitchen and the child had been in the attached family/living room (I think articles said it was an open layout). The child opened a french door from the family room/living room and the pool was right there attached to the patio.

No idea where Bode was, but Morgan was provably less than 20’ from her daughter and didn’t see her open the door. I’m sure they didn’t except the backdoor to be unlocked but even if it was, they still didn’t expect their child to fall into a pool and drown.

How do you know this for sure?

If you go to a house with a pool, first you check yourself to make sure doors are locked and can’t be opened by kids before they are out of your sight. You sit near them on the play date, you don’t stay in the kitchen gabbing while your 19 month old wanders off in someone’s home unattended. I learned basic pool safety with kids when I was a teenager and babysat for a family that had a pool. The mom was neurotic about pool safety. One thing she did was always lock the back door that opened to the pool. It was a lock that was at the top of the door that only an adult could open. She always also made sure the pool gate was shut and latched. She would double check it as soon as kids arrived at her house.

Also, kids that young should never be out of your sight.

Agree, Morgan was sipping tea with her neighbor and did not have eyes on her the whole time. And it was probably several minutes, maybe 4 min, not 20 seconds that she did not have eyes on the toddler.

She was at a tea party?

Visiting next door neighbor. Having tea in kitchen. Not a party. Not an evening gathering. Just a playdate, had been there many times.

It was 630 in the evening when she drowned. Not sure why you keep trying to downplay this as a playdate. It’s never been reported as playdate. There was no wild party as was initially reported, but multiple people were at the neighbors house. https://people.com/parents/bode-miller-daughter-drowning-death-details/

Your links says only a couple of people were there.

"Contrary to rumors of a larger gathering, Concialdi says only “a couple of people” were at the neighbor’s house when Emeline wandered away, and “nobody was in the backyard” during the incident."

Is that supposed to be better? That makes it worse. There were only a few people so it wasn't chaotic. They should have known where she was at all times.

Exactly, it was not a chaotic situation. It was not a pool party. It was not a party. It was two moms having tea, older boys playing together in the house, toddler wandering around the house by herself. She didn’t have eyes on the toddler. It was only when she couldn’t hear her toddler anymore, that she checked. Toddler had gone out the back door and walked into the pool. Several minutes went by.

Sorry, all you people saying it could happen to anyone - no. This wouldn’t happen to me. And it wouldn’t happen to me that my kids get carbon monoxide poisoning outside because they’re by themselves watching a large vehicle. And it wouldn’t happen to me that I am involved in a lawsuit to get custody of an unborn child or another child for whom I’m not even the biological mother.

They have poor judgement.

Two things can be true at the same time. These particular people may have poor judgment, and it can happen to anyone.

I honestly find the attitude of the “never me” posters dangerous.

I find the “it can happen to anyone” mentality dangerous.

No, it is true.

And understanding that this statement is true could literally be lifesaving (because you understand the need for physical barriers like four sided fencing). Human vigilance is the weakest link in the chain.

I have literally heard a mom whose child drowned in the backyard pool say, “I thought this only happened to people who did not watch their children.”

Someone wasn’t watching her child, or the child would not have drowned in a backyard pool.

Backyard and municipal pool drownings are always a result of somebody’s negligence, full stop. Every single such drowning is entirely preventable with proper supervision.

Drownings on open water can be a result of weather/water conditions, but even then usually involve some level of poor judgment employed by the child’s parents or guardians - i.e., knowing better than to let a child swim in rip tide conditions or in big waves without wearing a PFD, or knowing to supervise little kids so they don’t wander down to the pond adjacent to your property.

The only drownings that occur which I would not hold parents/guardians fully responsible for are secondary drownings. Because of poor education many parents don’t even know this phenomenon exists, or that it can happen to any kid who inhales a little bit of water in the bath or while swimming recreationally.

You are literally arguing with someone who is a drowning prevention expert.

Just stop before you dig yourself a deeper hole.

Relying on caretaker infallibility as the primary measure for keeping kids safe is exactly why drowning is the leading of cause of death for toddlers in the United States. I hope that you and the sanctimonious state legislators who share your world view see what it has wrought.

Time to move past the dated, flawed strategy of telling everyone to “careful” and “always watch their children.”

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Anonymous wrote:I think they're just really bad parents. I forgot about this one just a year or two after their toddler drowned because they weren't paying attention to her.

https://www.etonline.com/bode-miller-and-wife-morgans-son-has-seizure-is-rushed-to-same-hospital-where-their-daughter-died

How is a child having a seizure the parent’s fault? I agree with you they aren’t good people, but this isn’t a good example.

They had a perfectly healthy daughter who died because she was unsupervised at a pool party and drowned. If she had a seizure while being resuscitated is not the point.

If they had paid for a babysitter that day or simply watched their kid, she would be alive.

It wasn’t even a pool party. It was a visit to a family - a playdate. How hard os it to watch your toddler??

I haven't liked them since the Sarh Mckenna thing either. However, it takes only 20 seconds for a 2-year old to drown. I watched my babies like a hawk around water, but when that happened, it felt like it could have been us and I mourned with them. I am sure she's not the only parent who's looked away for ~ 20 seconds. It was horrible.

They didn't look away, they were nowhere near the kid.

The toddler literally left the house. How does that happen on a playdate in someone else’s home?

You’re making it seem like the kid opened the door and walked 3 blocks away and fell in a pool. Morgan was in the kitchen and the child had been in the attached family/living room (I think articles said it was an open layout). The child opened a french door from the family room/living room and the pool was right there attached to the patio.

No idea where Bode was, but Morgan was provably less than 20’ from her daughter and didn’t see her open the door. I’m sure they didn’t except the backdoor to be unlocked but even if it was, they still didn’t expect their child to fall into a pool and drown.

How do you know this for sure?

If you go to a house with a pool, first you check yourself to make sure doors are locked and can’t be opened by kids before they are out of your sight. You sit near them on the play date, you don’t stay in the kitchen gabbing while your 19 month old wanders off in someone’s home unattended. I learned basic pool safety with kids when I was a teenager and babysat for a family that had a pool. The mom was neurotic about pool safety. One thing she did was always lock the back door that opened to the pool. It was a lock that was at the top of the door that only an adult could open. She always also made sure the pool gate was shut and latched. She would double check it as soon as kids arrived at her house.

Also, kids that young should never be out of your sight.

Agree, Morgan was sipping tea with her neighbor and did not have eyes on her the whole time. And it was probably several minutes, maybe 4 min, not 20 seconds that she did not have eyes on the toddler.

She was at a tea party?

Visiting next door neighbor. Having tea in kitchen. Not a party. Not an evening gathering. Just a playdate, had been there many times.

It was 630 in the evening when she drowned. Not sure why you keep trying to downplay this as a playdate. It’s never been reported as playdate. There was no wild party as was initially reported, but multiple people were at the neighbors house. https://people.com/parents/bode-miller-daughter-drowning-death-details/

Your links says only a couple of people were there.

"Contrary to rumors of a larger gathering, Concialdi says only “a couple of people” were at the neighbor’s house when Emeline wandered away, and “nobody was in the backyard” during the incident."

Is that supposed to be better? That makes it worse. There were only a few people so it wasn't chaotic. They should have known where she was at all times.

Exactly, it was not a chaotic situation. It was not a pool party. It was not a party. It was two moms having tea, older boys playing together in the house, toddler wandering around the house by herself. She didn’t have eyes on the toddler. It was only when she couldn’t hear her toddler anymore, that she checked. Toddler had gone out the back door and walked into the pool. Several minutes went by.

Sorry, all you people saying it could happen to anyone - no. This wouldn’t happen to me. And it wouldn’t happen to me that my kids get carbon monoxide poisoning outside because they’re by themselves watching a large vehicle. And it wouldn’t happen to me that I am involved in a lawsuit to get custody of an unborn child or another child for whom I’m not even the biological mother.

They have poor judgement.

Two things can be true at the same time. These particular people may have poor judgment, and it can happen to anyone.

I honestly find the attitude of the “never me” posters dangerous.

I find the “it can happen to anyone” mentality dangerous.

No, it is true.

And understanding that this statement is true could literally be lifesaving (because you understand the need for physical barriers like four sided fencing). Human vigilance is the weakest link in the chain.

I have literally heard a mom whose child drowned in the backyard pool say, “I thought this only happened to people who did not watch their children.”

Someone wasn’t watching her child, or the child would not have drowned in a backyard pool.

Backyard and municipal pool drownings are always a result of somebody’s negligence, full stop. Every single such drowning is entirely preventable with proper supervision.

Drownings on open water can be a result of weather/water conditions, but even then usually involve some level of poor judgment employed by the child’s parents or guardians - i.e., knowing better than to let a child swim in rip tide conditions or in big waves without wearing a PFD, or knowing to supervise little kids so they don’t wander down to the pond adjacent to your property.

The only drownings that occur which I would not hold parents/guardians fully responsible for are secondary drownings. Because of poor education many parents don’t even know this phenomenon exists, or that it can happen to any kid who inhales a little bit of water in the bath or while swimming recreationally.

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Anonymous wrote:I think they're just really bad parents. I forgot about this one just a year or two after their toddler drowned because they weren't paying attention to her.

https://www.etonline.com/bode-miller-and-wife-morgans-son-has-seizure-is-rushed-to-same-hospital-where-their-daughter-died

How is a child having a seizure the parent’s fault? I agree with you they aren’t good people, but this isn’t a good example.

They had a perfectly healthy daughter who died because she was unsupervised at a pool party and drowned. If she had a seizure while being resuscitated is not the point.

If they had paid for a babysitter that day or simply watched their kid, she would be alive.

It wasn’t even a pool party. It was a visit to a family - a playdate. How hard os it to watch your toddler??

I haven't liked them since the Sarh Mckenna thing either. However, it takes only 20 seconds for a 2-year old to drown. I watched my babies like a hawk around water, but when that happened, it felt like it could have been us and I mourned with them. I am sure she's not the only parent who's looked away for ~ 20 seconds. It was horrible.

They didn't look away, they were nowhere near the kid.

The toddler literally left the house. How does that happen on a playdate in someone else’s home?

You’re making it seem like the kid opened the door and walked 3 blocks away and fell in a pool. Morgan was in the kitchen and the child had been in the attached family/living room (I think articles said it was an open layout). The child opened a french door from the family room/living room and the pool was right there attached to the patio.

No idea where Bode was, but Morgan was provably less than 20’ from her daughter and didn’t see her open the door. I’m sure they didn’t except the backdoor to be unlocked but even if it was, they still didn’t expect their child to fall into a pool and drown.

How do you know this for sure?

If you go to a house with a pool, first you check yourself to make sure doors are locked and can’t be opened by kids before they are out of your sight. You sit near them on the play date, you don’t stay in the kitchen gabbing while your 19 month old wanders off in someone’s home unattended. I learned basic pool safety with kids when I was a teenager and babysat for a family that had a pool. The mom was neurotic about pool safety. One thing she did was always lock the back door that opened to the pool. It was a lock that was at the top of the door that only an adult could open. She always also made sure the pool gate was shut and latched. She would double check it as soon as kids arrived at her house.

Also, kids that young should never be out of your sight.

Agree, Morgan was sipping tea with her neighbor and did not have eyes on her the whole time. And it was probably several minutes, maybe 4 min, not 20 seconds that she did not have eyes on the toddler.

She was at a tea party?

Visiting next door neighbor. Having tea in kitchen. Not a party. Not an evening gathering. Just a playdate, had been there many times.

It was 630 in the evening when she drowned. Not sure why you keep trying to downplay this as a playdate. It’s never been reported as playdate. There was no wild party as was initially reported, but multiple people were at the neighbors house. https://people.com/parents/bode-miller-daughter-drowning-death-details/

Your links says only a couple of people were there.

"Contrary to rumors of a larger gathering, Concialdi says only “a couple of people” were at the neighbor’s house when Emeline wandered away, and “nobody was in the backyard” during the incident."

Is that supposed to be better? That makes it worse. There were only a few people so it wasn't chaotic. They should have known where she was at all times.

Exactly, it was not a chaotic situation. It was not a pool party. It was not a party. It was two moms having tea, older boys playing together in the house, toddler wandering around the house by herself. She didn’t have eyes on the toddler. It was only when she couldn’t hear her toddler anymore, that she checked. Toddler had gone out the back door and walked into the pool. Several minutes went by.

Sorry, all you people saying it could happen to anyone - no. This wouldn’t happen to me. And it wouldn’t happen to me that my kids get carbon monoxide poisoning outside because they’re by themselves watching a large vehicle. And it wouldn’t happen to me that I am involved in a lawsuit to get custody of an unborn child or another child for whom I’m not even the biological mother.

They have poor judgement.

Two things can be true at the same time. These particular people may have poor judgment, and it can happen to anyone.

I honestly find the attitude of the “never me” posters dangerous.

I find the “it can happen to anyone” mentality dangerous.

No, it is true.

And understanding that this statement is true could literally be lifesaving (because you understand the need for physical barriers like four sided fencing). Human vigilance is the weakest link in the chain.

I have literally heard a mom whose child drowned in the backyard pool say, “I thought this only happened to people who did not watch their children.”

Someone wasn’t watching her child, or the child would not have drowned in a backyard pool.

Backyard and municipal pool drownings are always a result of somebody’s negligence, full stop. Every single such drowning is entirely preventable with proper supervision.

Drownings on open water can be a result of weather/water conditions, but even then usually involve some level of poor judgment employed by the child’s parents or guardians - i.e., knowing better than to let a child swim in rip tide conditions or in big waves without wearing a PFD, or knowing to supervise little kids so they don’t wander down to the pond adjacent to your property.

The only drownings that occur which I would not hold parents/guardians fully responsible for are secondary drownings. Because of poor education many parents don’t even know this phenomenon exists, or that it can happen to any kid who inhales a little bit of water in the bath or while swimming recreationally.

You are literally arguing with someone who is a drowning prevention expert.

Just stop before you dig yourself a deeper hole.

Relying on caretaker infallibility as the primary measure for keeping kids safe is exactly why drowning is the leading of cause of death for toddlers in the United States. I hope that you and the sanctimonious state legislators who share your world view see what it has wrought.

Time to move past the dated, flawed strategy of telling everyone to “careful” and “always watch their children.”

Because the caretakers were negligent. It’s inexcusable to not have eyes on your toddler when there is a pool nearby and you aren’t even swimming.

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Anonymous wrote:I think they're just really bad parents. I forgot about this one just a year or two after their toddler drowned because they weren't paying attention to her.

https://www.etonline.com/bode-miller-and-wife-morgans-son-has-seizure-is-rushed-to-same-hospital-where-their-daughter-died

How is a child having a seizure the parent’s fault? I agree with you they aren’t good people, but this isn’t a good example.

They had a perfectly healthy daughter who died because she was unsupervised at a pool party and drowned. If she had a seizure while being resuscitated is not the point.

If they had paid for a babysitter that day or simply watched their kid, she would be alive.

It wasn’t even a pool party. It was a visit to a family - a playdate. How hard os it to watch your toddler??

I haven't liked them since the Sarh Mckenna thing either. However, it takes only 20 seconds for a 2-year old to drown. I watched my babies like a hawk around water, but when that happened, it felt like it could have been us and I mourned with them. I am sure she's not the only parent who's looked away for ~ 20 seconds. It was horrible.

They didn't look away, they were nowhere near the kid.

The toddler literally left the house. How does that happen on a playdate in someone else’s home?

You’re making it seem like the kid opened the door and walked 3 blocks away and fell in a pool. Morgan was in the kitchen and the child had been in the attached family/living room (I think articles said it was an open layout). The child opened a french door from the family room/living room and the pool was right there attached to the patio.

No idea where Bode was, but Morgan was provably less than 20’ from her daughter and didn’t see her open the door. I’m sure they didn’t except the backdoor to be unlocked but even if it was, they still didn’t expect their child to fall into a pool and drown.

How do you know this for sure?

If you go to a house with a pool, first you check yourself to make sure doors are locked and can’t be opened by kids before they are out of your sight. You sit near them on the play date, you don’t stay in the kitchen gabbing while your 19 month old wanders off in someone’s home unattended. I learned basic pool safety with kids when I was a teenager and babysat for a family that had a pool. The mom was neurotic about pool safety. One thing she did was always lock the back door that opened to the pool. It was a lock that was at the top of the door that only an adult could open. She always also made sure the pool gate was shut and latched. She would double check it as soon as kids arrived at her house.

Also, kids that young should never be out of your sight.

Agree, Morgan was sipping tea with her neighbor and did not have eyes on her the whole time. And it was probably several minutes, maybe 4 min, not 20 seconds that she did not have eyes on the toddler.

She was at a tea party?

Visiting next door neighbor. Having tea in kitchen. Not a party. Not an evening gathering. Just a playdate, had been there many times.

It was 630 in the evening when she drowned. Not sure why you keep trying to downplay this as a playdate. It’s never been reported as playdate. There was no wild party as was initially reported, but multiple people were at the neighbors house. https://people.com/parents/bode-miller-daughter-drowning-death-details/

Your links says only a couple of people were there.

"Contrary to rumors of a larger gathering, Concialdi says only “a couple of people” were at the neighbor’s house when Emeline wandered away, and “nobody was in the backyard” during the incident."

Is that supposed to be better? That makes it worse. There were only a few people so it wasn't chaotic. They should have known where she was at all times.

Exactly, it was not a chaotic situation. It was not a pool party. It was not a party. It was two moms having tea, older boys playing together in the house, toddler wandering around the house by herself. She didn’t have eyes on the toddler. It was only when she couldn’t hear her toddler anymore, that she checked. Toddler had gone out the back door and walked into the pool. Several minutes went by.

Sorry, all you people saying it could happen to anyone - no. This wouldn’t happen to me. And it wouldn’t happen to me that my kids get carbon monoxide poisoning outside because they’re by themselves watching a large vehicle. And it wouldn’t happen to me that I am involved in a lawsuit to get custody of an unborn child or another child for whom I’m not even the biological mother.

They have poor judgement.

Two things can be true at the same time. These particular people may have poor judgment, and it can happen to anyone.

I honestly find the attitude of the “never me” posters dangerous.

I find the “it can happen to anyone” mentality dangerous.

No, it is true.

And understanding that this statement is true could literally be lifesaving (because you understand the need for physical barriers like four sided fencing). Human vigilance is the weakest link in the chain.

I have literally heard a mom whose child drowned in the backyard pool say, “I thought this only happened to people who did not watch their children.”

Someone wasn’t watching her child, or the child would not have drowned in a backyard pool.

Backyard and municipal pool drownings are always a result of somebody’s negligence, full stop. Every single such drowning is entirely preventable with proper supervision.

Drownings on open water can be a result of weather/water conditions, but even then usually involve some level of poor judgment employed by the child’s parents or guardians - i.e., knowing better than to let a child swim in rip tide conditions or in big waves without wearing a PFD, or knowing to supervise little kids so they don’t wander down to the pond adjacent to your property.

The only drownings that occur which I would not hold parents/guardians fully responsible for are secondary drownings. Because of poor education many parents don’t even know this phenomenon exists, or that it can happen to any kid who inhales a little bit of water in the bath or while swimming recreationally.

You are literally arguing with someone who is a drowning prevention expert.

Just stop before you dig yourself a deeper hole.

Relying on caretaker infallibility as the primary measure for keeping kids safe is exactly why drowning is the leading of cause of death for toddlers in the United States. I hope that you and the sanctimonious state legislators who share your world view see what it has wrought.

Time to move past the dated, flawed strategy of telling everyone to “careful” and “always watch their children.”

Because the caretakers were negligent. It’s inexcusable to not have eyes on your toddler when there is a pool nearby and you aren’t even swimming.

At what point does the charge of negligence sit squarely on legislators’ shoulders ? When other countries have shown that strong pool fencing laws prevent 83% of these deaths.

Many of us are not seeking who to blame, we want to stop future deaths. Which is a different (and more admirable ) focus than pointing your finger at devastated parents)

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Anonymous wrote:I think they're just really bad parents. I forgot about this one just a year or two after their toddler drowned because they weren't paying attention to her.

https://www.etonline.com/bode-miller-and-wife-morgans-son-has-seizure-is-rushed-to-same-hospital-where-their-daughter-died

How is a child having a seizure the parent’s fault? I agree with you they aren’t good people, but this isn’t a good example.

They had a perfectly healthy daughter who died because she was unsupervised at a pool party and drowned. If she had a seizure while being resuscitated is not the point.

If they had paid for a babysitter that day or simply watched their kid, she would be alive.

It wasn’t even a pool party. It was a visit to a family - a playdate. How hard os it to watch your toddler??

I haven't liked them since the Sarh Mckenna thing either. However, it takes only 20 seconds for a 2-year old to drown. I watched my babies like a hawk around water, but when that happened, it felt like it could have been us and I mourned with them. I am sure she's not the only parent who's looked away for ~ 20 seconds. It was horrible.

They didn't look away, they were nowhere near the kid.

The toddler literally left the house. How does that happen on a playdate in someone else’s home?

You’re making it seem like the kid opened the door and walked 3 blocks away and fell in a pool. Morgan was in the kitchen and the child had been in the attached family/living room (I think articles said it was an open layout). The child opened a french door from the family room/living room and the pool was right there attached to the patio.

No idea where Bode was, but Morgan was provably less than 20’ from her daughter and didn’t see her open the door. I’m sure they didn’t except the backdoor to be unlocked but even if it was, they still didn’t expect their child to fall into a pool and drown.

How do you know this for sure?

If you go to a house with a pool, first you check yourself to make sure doors are locked and can’t be opened by kids before they are out of your sight. You sit near them on the play date, you don’t stay in the kitchen gabbing while your 19 month old wanders off in someone’s home unattended. I learned basic pool safety with kids when I was a teenager and babysat for a family that had a pool. The mom was neurotic about pool safety. One thing she did was always lock the back door that opened to the pool. It was a lock that was at the top of the door that only an adult could open. She always also made sure the pool gate was shut and latched. She would double check it as soon as kids arrived at her house.

Also, kids that young should never be out of your sight.

Agree, Morgan was sipping tea with her neighbor and did not have eyes on her the whole time. And it was probably several minutes, maybe 4 min, not 20 seconds that she did not have eyes on the toddler.

She was at a tea party?

Visiting next door neighbor. Having tea in kitchen. Not a party. Not an evening gathering. Just a playdate, had been there many times.

It was 630 in the evening when she drowned. Not sure why you keep trying to downplay this as a playdate. It’s never been reported as playdate. There was no wild party as was initially reported, but multiple people were at the neighbors house. https://people.com/parents/bode-miller-daughter-drowning-death-details/

Your links says only a couple of people were there.

"Contrary to rumors of a larger gathering, Concialdi says only “a couple of people” were at the neighbor’s house when Emeline wandered away, and “nobody was in the backyard” during the incident."

Is that supposed to be better? That makes it worse. There were only a few people so it wasn't chaotic. They should have known where she was at all times.

Exactly, it was not a chaotic situation. It was not a pool party. It was not a party. It was two moms having tea, older boys playing together in the house, toddler wandering around the house by herself. She didn’t have eyes on the toddler. It was only when she couldn’t hear her toddler anymore, that she checked. Toddler had gone out the back door and walked into the pool. Several minutes went by.

Sorry, all you people saying it could happen to anyone - no. This wouldn’t happen to me. And it wouldn’t happen to me that my kids get carbon monoxide poisoning outside because they’re by themselves watching a large vehicle. And it wouldn’t happen to me that I am involved in a lawsuit to get custody of an unborn child or another child for whom I’m not even the biological mother.

They have poor judgement.

Two things can be true at the same time. These particular people may have poor judgment, and it can happen to anyone.

I honestly find the attitude of the “never me” posters dangerous.

I find the “it can happen to anyone” mentality dangerous.

No, it is true.

And understanding that this statement is true could literally be lifesaving (because you understand the need for physical barriers like four sided fencing). Human vigilance is the weakest link in the chain.

I have literally heard a mom whose child drowned in the backyard pool say, “I thought this only happened to people who did not watch their children.”

Someone wasn’t watching her child, or the child would not have drowned in a backyard pool.

Backyard and municipal pool drownings are always a result of somebody’s negligence, full stop. Every single such drowning is entirely preventable with proper supervision.

Drownings on open water can be a result of weather/water conditions, but even then usually involve some level of poor judgment employed by the child’s parents or guardians - i.e., knowing better than to let a child swim in rip tide conditions or in big waves without wearing a PFD, or knowing to supervise little kids so they don’t wander down to the pond adjacent to your property.

The only drownings that occur which I would not hold parents/guardians fully responsible for are secondary drownings. Because of poor education many parents don’t even know this phenomenon exists, or that it can happen to any kid who inhales a little bit of water in the bath or while swimming recreationally.

You are literally arguing with someone who is a drowning prevention expert.

Just stop before you dig yourself a deeper hole.

Relying on caretaker infallibility as the primary measure for keeping kids safe is exactly why drowning is the leading of cause of death for toddlers in the United States. I hope that you and the sanctimonious state legislators who share your world view see what it has wrought.

Time to move past the dated, flawed strategy of telling everyone to “careful” and “always watch their children.”

Because the caretakers were negligent. It’s inexcusable to not have eyes on your toddler when there is a pool nearby and you aren’t even swimming.

At what point does the charge of negligence sit squarely on legislators’ shoulders ? When other countries have shown that strong pool fencing laws prevent 83% of these deaths.

Many of us are not seeking who to blame, we want to stop future deaths. Which is a different (and more admirable ) focus than pointing your finger at devastated parents)

It doesn’t.

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Anonymous wrote:I think they're just really bad parents. I forgot about this one just a year or two after their toddler drowned because they weren't paying attention to her.

https://www.etonline.com/bode-miller-and-wife-morgans-son-has-seizure-is-rushed-to-same-hospital-where-their-daughter-died

How is a child having a seizure the parent’s fault? I agree with you they aren’t good people, but this isn’t a good example.

They had a perfectly healthy daughter who died because she was unsupervised at a pool party and drowned. If she had a seizure while being resuscitated is not the point.

If they had paid for a babysitter that day or simply watched their kid, she would be alive.

It wasn’t even a pool party. It was a visit to a family - a playdate. How hard os it to watch your toddler??

I haven't liked them since the Sarh Mckenna thing either. However, it takes only 20 seconds for a 2-year old to drown. I watched my babies like a hawk around water, but when that happened, it felt like it could have been us and I mourned with them. I am sure she's not the only parent who's looked away for ~ 20 seconds. It was horrible.

They didn't look away, they were nowhere near the kid.

The toddler literally left the house. How does that happen on a playdate in someone else’s home?

You’re making it seem like the kid opened the door and walked 3 blocks away and fell in a pool. Morgan was in the kitchen and the child had been in the attached family/living room (I think articles said it was an open layout). The child opened a french door from the family room/living room and the pool was right there attached to the patio.

No idea where Bode was, but Morgan was provably less than 20’ from her daughter and didn’t see her open the door. I’m sure they didn’t except the backdoor to be unlocked but even if it was, they still didn’t expect their child to fall into a pool and drown.

How do you know this for sure?

If you go to a house with a pool, first you check yourself to make sure doors are locked and can’t be opened by kids before they are out of your sight. You sit near them on the play date, you don’t stay in the kitchen gabbing while your 19 month old wanders off in someone’s home unattended. I learned basic pool safety with kids when I was a teenager and babysat for a family that had a pool. The mom was neurotic about pool safety. One thing she did was always lock the back door that opened to the pool. It was a lock that was at the top of the door that only an adult could open. She always also made sure the pool gate was shut and latched. She would double check it as soon as kids arrived at her house.

Also, kids that young should never be out of your sight.

Agree, Morgan was sipping tea with her neighbor and did not have eyes on her the whole time. And it was probably several minutes, maybe 4 min, not 20 seconds that she did not have eyes on the toddler.

She was at a tea party?

Visiting next door neighbor. Having tea in kitchen. Not a party. Not an evening gathering. Just a playdate, had been there many times.

It was 630 in the evening when she drowned. Not sure why you keep trying to downplay this as a playdate. It’s never been reported as playdate. There was no wild party as was initially reported, but multiple people were at the neighbors house. https://people.com/parents/bode-miller-daughter-drowning-death-details/

Your links says only a couple of people were there.

"Contrary to rumors of a larger gathering, Concialdi says only “a couple of people” were at the neighbor’s house when Emeline wandered away, and “nobody was in the backyard” during the incident."

Is that supposed to be better? That makes it worse. There were only a few people so it wasn't chaotic. They should have known where she was at all times.

Exactly, it was not a chaotic situation. It was not a pool party. It was not a party. It was two moms having tea, older boys playing together in the house, toddler wandering around the house by herself. She didn’t have eyes on the toddler. It was only when she couldn’t hear her toddler anymore, that she checked. Toddler had gone out the back door and walked into the pool. Several minutes went by.

Sorry, all you people saying it could happen to anyone - no. This wouldn’t happen to me. And it wouldn’t happen to me that my kids get carbon monoxide poisoning outside because they’re by themselves watching a large vehicle. And it wouldn’t happen to me that I am involved in a lawsuit to get custody of an unborn child or another child for whom I’m not even the biological mother.

They have poor judgement.

Two things can be true at the same time. These particular people may have poor judgment, and it can happen to anyone.

I honestly find the attitude of the “never me” posters dangerous.

I find the “it can happen to anyone” mentality dangerous.

No, it is true.

And understanding that this statement is true could literally be lifesaving (because you understand the need for physical barriers like four sided fencing). Human vigilance is the weakest link in the chain.

I have literally heard a mom whose child drowned in the backyard pool say, “I thought this only happened to people who did not watch their children.”

Someone wasn’t watching her child, or the child would not have drowned in a backyard pool.

Backyard and municipal pool drownings are always a result of somebody’s negligence, full stop. Every single such drowning is entirely preventable with proper supervision.

Drownings on open water can be a result of weather/water conditions, but even then usually involve some level of poor judgment employed by the child’s parents or guardians - i.e., knowing better than to let a child swim in rip tide conditions or in big waves without wearing a PFD, or knowing to supervise little kids so they don’t wander down to the pond adjacent to your property.

The only drownings that occur which I would not hold parents/guardians fully responsible for are secondary drownings. Because of poor education many parents don’t even know this phenomenon exists, or that it can happen to any kid who inhales a little bit of water in the bath or while swimming recreationally.

You are literally arguing with someone who is a drowning prevention expert.

Just stop before you dig yourself a deeper hole.

Relying on caretaker infallibility as the primary measure for keeping kids safe is exactly why drowning is the leading of cause of death for toddlers in the United States. I hope that you and the sanctimonious state legislators who share your world view see what it has wrought.

Time to move past the dated, flawed strategy of telling everyone to “careful” and “always watch their children.”

PP, you’re absolutely correct, but the other poster is more invested in her superiority than actually fixing things. And will never recognize that, sadly, because complex thinking is hard.

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Anonymous wrote:I think they're just really bad parents. I forgot about this one just a year or two after their toddler drowned because they weren't paying attention to her.

https://www.etonline.com/bode-miller-and-wife-morgans-son-has-seizure-is-rushed-to-same-hospital-where-their-daughter-died

How is a child having a seizure the parent’s fault? I agree with you they aren’t good people, but this isn’t a good example.

They had a perfectly healthy daughter who died because she was unsupervised at a pool party and drowned. If she had a seizure while being resuscitated is not the point.

If they had paid for a babysitter that day or simply watched their kid, she would be alive.

It wasn’t even a pool party. It was a visit to a family - a playdate. How hard os it to watch your toddler??

I haven't liked them since the Sarh Mckenna thing either. However, it takes only 20 seconds for a 2-year old to drown. I watched my babies like a hawk around water, but when that happened, it felt like it could have been us and I mourned with them. I am sure she's not the only parent who's looked away for ~ 20 seconds. It was horrible.

They didn't look away, they were nowhere near the kid.

The toddler literally left the house. How does that happen on a playdate in someone else’s home?

You’re making it seem like the kid opened the door and walked 3 blocks away and fell in a pool. Morgan was in the kitchen and the child had been in the attached family/living room (I think articles said it was an open layout). The child opened a french door from the family room/living room and the pool was right there attached to the patio.

No idea where Bode was, but Morgan was provably less than 20’ from her daughter and didn’t see her open the door. I’m sure they didn’t except the backdoor to be unlocked but even if it was, they still didn’t expect their child to fall into a pool and drown.

How do you know this for sure?

If you go to a house with a pool, first you check yourself to make sure doors are locked and can’t be opened by kids before they are out of your sight. You sit near them on the play date, you don’t stay in the kitchen gabbing while your 19 month old wanders off in someone’s home unattended. I learned basic pool safety with kids when I was a teenager and babysat for a family that had a pool. The mom was neurotic about pool safety. One thing she did was always lock the back door that opened to the pool. It was a lock that was at the top of the door that only an adult could open. She always also made sure the pool gate was shut and latched. She would double check it as soon as kids arrived at her house.

Also, kids that young should never be out of your sight.

Agree, Morgan was sipping tea with her neighbor and did not have eyes on her the whole time. And it was probably several minutes, maybe 4 min, not 20 seconds that she did not have eyes on the toddler.

She was at a tea party?

Visiting next door neighbor. Having tea in kitchen. Not a party. Not an evening gathering. Just a playdate, had been there many times.

It was 630 in the evening when she drowned. Not sure why you keep trying to downplay this as a playdate. It’s never been reported as playdate. There was no wild party as was initially reported, but multiple people were at the neighbors house. https://people.com/parents/bode-miller-daughter-drowning-death-details/

Your links says only a couple of people were there.

"Contrary to rumors of a larger gathering, Concialdi says only “a couple of people” were at the neighbor’s house when Emeline wandered away, and “nobody was in the backyard” during the incident."

Is that supposed to be better? That makes it worse. There were only a few people so it wasn't chaotic. They should have known where she was at all times.

Exactly, it was not a chaotic situation. It was not a pool party. It was not a party. It was two moms having tea, older boys playing together in the house, toddler wandering around the house by herself. She didn’t have eyes on the toddler. It was only when she couldn’t hear her toddler anymore, that she checked. Toddler had gone out the back door and walked into the pool. Several minutes went by.

Sorry, all you people saying it could happen to anyone - no. This wouldn’t happen to me. And it wouldn’t happen to me that my kids get carbon monoxide poisoning outside because they’re by themselves watching a large vehicle. And it wouldn’t happen to me that I am involved in a lawsuit to get custody of an unborn child or another child for whom I’m not even the biological mother.

They have poor judgement.

Two things can be true at the same time. These particular people may have poor judgment, and it can happen to anyone.

I honestly find the attitude of the “never me” posters dangerous.

I find the “it can happen to anyone” mentality dangerous.

No, it is true.

And understanding that this statement is true could literally be lifesaving (because you understand the need for physical barriers like four sided fencing). Human vigilance is the weakest link in the chain.

I have literally heard a mom whose child drowned in the backyard pool say, “I thought this only happened to people who did not watch their children.”

Someone wasn’t watching her child, or the child would not have drowned in a backyard pool.

Backyard and municipal pool drownings are always a result of somebody’s negligence, full stop. Every single such drowning is entirely preventable with proper supervision.

Drownings on open water can be a result of weather/water conditions, but even then usually involve some level of poor judgment employed by the child’s parents or guardians - i.e., knowing better than to let a child swim in rip tide conditions or in big waves without wearing a PFD, or knowing to supervise little kids so they don’t wander down to the pond adjacent to your property.

The only drownings that occur which I would not hold parents/guardians fully responsible for are secondary drownings. Because of poor education many parents don’t even know this phenomenon exists, or that it can happen to any kid who inhales a little bit of water in the bath or while swimming recreationally.

DP. I used to lifeguard and think that this is still oversimplified. For one, rip tide conditions are not immediately clear especially at the beginning of those conditions. Additionally, there are situations where kids or adult that can have minor medical events that because they take place in the water result in drowning. There are also cases where teens were practicing repeatedly holding their breath and ended up dying by just passing out. To say that ALL municipal and recreational drownings are due to negligence is not true.

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Anonymous wrote:I think they're just really bad parents. I forgot about this one just a year or two after their toddler drowned because they weren't paying attention to her.

https://www.etonline.com/bode-miller-and-wife-morgans-son-has-seizure-is-rushed-to-same-hospital-where-their-daughter-died

How is a child having a seizure the parent’s fault? I agree with you they aren’t good people, but this isn’t a good example.

They had a perfectly healthy daughter who died because she was unsupervised at a pool party and drowned. If she had a seizure while being resuscitated is not the point.

If they had paid for a babysitter that day or simply watched their kid, she would be alive.

It wasn’t even a pool party. It was a visit to a family - a playdate. How hard os it to watch your toddler??

I haven't liked them since the Sarh Mckenna thing either. However, it takes only 20 seconds for a 2-year old to drown. I watched my babies like a hawk around water, but when that happened, it felt like it could have been us and I mourned with them. I am sure she's not the only parent who's looked away for ~ 20 seconds. It was horrible.

They didn't look away, they were nowhere near the kid.

The toddler literally left the house. How does that happen on a playdate in someone else’s home?

You’re making it seem like the kid opened the door and walked 3 blocks away and fell in a pool. Morgan was in the kitchen and the child had been in the attached family/living room (I think articles said it was an open layout). The child opened a french door from the family room/living room and the pool was right there attached to the patio.

No idea where Bode was, but Morgan was provably less than 20’ from her daughter and didn’t see her open the door. I’m sure they didn’t except the backdoor to be unlocked but even if it was, they still didn’t expect their child to fall into a pool and drown.

How do you know this for sure?

If you go to a house with a pool, first you check yourself to make sure doors are locked and can’t be opened by kids before they are out of your sight. You sit near them on the play date, you don’t stay in the kitchen gabbing while your 19 month old wanders off in someone’s home unattended. I learned basic pool safety with kids when I was a teenager and babysat for a family that had a pool. The mom was neurotic about pool safety. One thing she did was always lock the back door that opened to the pool. It was a lock that was at the top of the door that only an adult could open. She always also made sure the pool gate was shut and latched. She would double check it as soon as kids arrived at her house.

Also, kids that young should never be out of your sight.

Agree, Morgan was sipping tea with her neighbor and did not have eyes on her the whole time. And it was probably several minutes, maybe 4 min, not 20 seconds that she did not have eyes on the toddler.

She was at a tea party?

Visiting next door neighbor. Having tea in kitchen. Not a party. Not an evening gathering. Just a playdate, had been there many times.

It was 630 in the evening when she drowned. Not sure why you keep trying to downplay this as a playdate. It’s never been reported as playdate. There was no wild party as was initially reported, but multiple people were at the neighbors house. https://people.com/parents/bode-miller-daughter-drowning-death-details/

Your links says only a couple of people were there.

"Contrary to rumors of a larger gathering, Concialdi says only “a couple of people” were at the neighbor’s house when Emeline wandered away, and “nobody was in the backyard” during the incident."

Is that supposed to be better? That makes it worse. There were only a few people so it wasn't chaotic. They should have known where she was at all times.

Exactly, it was not a chaotic situation. It was not a pool party. It was not a party. It was two moms having tea, older boys playing together in the house, toddler wandering around the house by herself. She didn’t have eyes on the toddler. It was only when she couldn’t hear her toddler anymore, that she checked. Toddler had gone out the back door and walked into the pool. Several minutes went by.

Sorry, all you people saying it could happen to anyone - no. This wouldn’t happen to me. And it wouldn’t happen to me that my kids get carbon monoxide poisoning outside because they’re by themselves watching a large vehicle. And it wouldn’t happen to me that I am involved in a lawsuit to get custody of an unborn child or another child for whom I’m not even the biological mother.

They have poor judgement.

Two things can be true at the same time. These particular people may have poor judgment, and it can happen to anyone.

I honestly find the attitude of the “never me” posters dangerous.

I find the “it can happen to anyone” mentality dangerous.

No, it is true.

And understanding that this statement is true could literally be lifesaving (because you understand the need for physical barriers like four sided fencing). Human vigilance is the weakest link in the chain.

I have literally heard a mom whose child drowned in the backyard pool say, “I thought this only happened to people who did not watch their children.”

Someone wasn’t watching her child, or the child would not have drowned in a backyard pool.

Backyard and municipal pool drownings are always a result of somebody’s negligence, full stop. Every single such drowning is entirely preventable with proper supervision.

Drownings on open water can be a result of weather/water conditions, but even then usually involve some level of poor judgment employed by the child’s parents or guardians - i.e., knowing better than to let a child swim in rip tide conditions or in big waves without wearing a PFD, or knowing to supervise little kids so they don’t wander down to the pond adjacent to your property.

The only drownings that occur which I would not hold parents/guardians fully responsible for are secondary drownings. Because of poor education many parents don’t even know this phenomenon exists, or that it can happen to any kid who inhales a little bit of water in the bath or while swimming recreationally.

DP. I used to lifeguard and think that this is still oversimplified. For one, rip tide conditions are not immediately clear especially at the beginning of those conditions. Additionally, there are situations where kids or adult that can have minor medical events that because they take place in the water result in drowning. There are also cases where teens were practicing repeatedly holding their breath and ended up dying by just passing out. To say that ALL municipal and recreational drownings are due to negligence is not true.

NP I see that. I’m strictly thinking of situations like the Millers who aren’t fully paying attention and their toddlers slip away and end up in the pool. That to me is negligence.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone is saying different things because Morgan and Bode have told the story several different ways. In one instance they said "that morning, we went to a friend's house..." and in other instance, they said "that morning, we were playing with our kids in the pool, Emmeline had a floatie on. Then LATER THAT DAY we went to a friend's house...". And the news report all says she was dead at 6:30pm. No one knows the story because they told several different versions. It's very sketchy.

They attended a party that morning then went home, said goodbye to Bode, and went back over for more visiting.

Right....find the article that says that and link it here please.

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Anyway… glad my kids are no longer toddlers or very young. Accidents can still happen by f course, but it won’t be because I’m not glued to them.

I have worked as a nanny many years ago, before having my own children. When I took the little ones for playdates (and they were always little ones - at one point I had a 3y, 18m old and infant younger than 4m old) and the house had a pool or pond, I have always made sure all the doors to outside were locked.

And while I talked and socialized with the other nanny (or nannies), we always remained in the same room as the children (usually basement or family room).

Plus, I have always gotten more stressed when there is more than one adult around because it is human nature to rely on others to also keep an eye on the kids - I have found out that usually leads to trouble.

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When we bought a house with a pool, the first thing we did was demolish it.

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Anonymous wrote:I think they're just really bad parents. I forgot about this one just a year or two after their toddler drowned because they weren't paying attention to her.

https://www.etonline.com/bode-miller-and-wife-morgans-son-has-seizure-is-rushed-to-same-hospital-where-their-daughter-died

How is a child having a seizure the parent’s fault? I agree with you they aren’t good people, but this isn’t a good example.

They had a perfectly healthy daughter who died because she was unsupervised at a pool party and drowned. If she had a seizure while being resuscitated is not the point.

If they had paid for a babysitter that day or simply watched their kid, she would be alive.

It wasn’t even a pool party. It was a visit to a family - a playdate. How hard os it to watch your toddler??

I haven't liked them since the Sarh Mckenna thing either. However, it takes only 20 seconds for a 2-year old to drown. I watched my babies like a hawk around water, but when that happened, it felt like it could have been us and I mourned with them. I am sure she's not the only parent who's looked away for ~ 20 seconds. It was horrible.

They didn't look away, they were nowhere near the kid.

The toddler literally left the house. How does that happen on a playdate in someone else’s home?

You’re making it seem like the kid opened the door and walked 3 blocks away and fell in a pool. Morgan was in the kitchen and the child had been in the attached family/living room (I think articles said it was an open layout). The child opened a french door from the family room/living room and the pool was right there attached to the patio.

No idea where Bode was, but Morgan was provably less than 20’ from her daughter and didn’t see her open the door. I’m sure they didn’t except the backdoor to be unlocked but even if it was, they still didn’t expect their child to fall into a pool and drown.

How do you know this for sure?

If you go to a house with a pool, first you check yourself to make sure doors are locked and can’t be opened by kids before they are out of your sight. You sit near them on the play date, you don’t stay in the kitchen gabbing while your 19 month old wanders off in someone’s home unattended. I learned basic pool safety with kids when I was a teenager and babysat for a family that had a pool. The mom was neurotic about pool safety. One thing she did was always lock the back door that opened to the pool. It was a lock that was at the top of the door that only an adult could open. She always also made sure the pool gate was shut and latched. She would double check it as soon as kids arrived at her house.

Also, kids that young should never be out of your sight.

Agree, Morgan was sipping tea with her neighbor and did not have eyes on her the whole time. And it was probably several minutes, maybe 4 min, not 20 seconds that she did not have eyes on the toddler.

She was at a tea party?

Visiting next door neighbor. Having tea in kitchen. Not a party. Not an evening gathering. Just a playdate, had been there many times.

It was 630 in the evening when she drowned. Not sure why you keep trying to downplay this as a playdate. It’s never been reported as playdate. There was no wild party as was initially reported, but multiple people were at the neighbors house. https://people.com/parents/bode-miller-daughter-drowning-death-details/

Your links says only a couple of people were there.

"Contrary to rumors of a larger gathering, Concialdi says only “a couple of people” were at the neighbor’s house when Emeline wandered away, and “nobody was in the backyard” during the incident."

Is that supposed to be better? That makes it worse. There were only a few people so it wasn't chaotic. They should have known where she was at all times.

Exactly, it was not a chaotic situation. It was not a pool party. It was not a party. It was two moms having tea, older boys playing together in the house, toddler wandering around the house by herself. She didn’t have eyes on the toddler. It was only when she couldn’t hear her toddler anymore, that she checked. Toddler had gone out the back door and walked into the pool. Several minutes went by.

Sorry, all you people saying it could happen to anyone - no. This wouldn’t happen to me. And it wouldn’t happen to me that my kids get carbon monoxide poisoning outside because they’re by themselves watching a large vehicle. And it wouldn’t happen to me that I am involved in a lawsuit to get custody of an unborn child or another child for whom I’m not even the biological mother.

They have poor judgement.

Two things can be true at the same time. These particular people may have poor judgment, and it can happen to anyone.

I honestly find the attitude of the “never me” posters dangerous.

I find the “it can happen to anyone” mentality dangerous.

No, it is true.

And understanding that this statement is true could literally be lifesaving (because you understand the need for physical barriers like four sided fencing). Human vigilance is the weakest link in the chain.

I have literally heard a mom whose child drowned in the backyard pool say, “I thought this only happened to people who did not watch their children.”

Someone wasn’t watching her child, or the child would not have drowned in a backyard pool.

Backyard and municipal pool drownings are always a result of somebody’s negligence, full stop. Every single such drowning is entirely preventable with proper supervision.

Drownings on open water can be a result of weather/water conditions, but even then usually involve some level of poor judgment employed by the child’s parents or guardians - i.e., knowing better than to let a child swim in rip tide conditions or in big waves without wearing a PFD, or knowing to supervise little kids so they don’t wander down to the pond adjacent to your property.

The only drownings that occur which I would not hold parents/guardians fully responsible for are secondary drownings. Because of poor education many parents don’t even know this phenomenon exists, or that it can happen to any kid who inhales a little bit of water in the bath or while swimming recreationally.

People like you, who believe parents can be superhuman and watch children constantly, a literal impossibility (and I know some of you think I'm wrong but you all have to pee sometimes, or get food poisoning or shower or have sex with your spouse or any other number of things that mean you haven't literally had eyes on a toddler every waking moment of its life), and want to judge them with smug sanctimony, are the LITERAL REASON we don't have common sense legislation in place that would require safety mechanisms around pools in this country that would save lives. The more people believe this is a moral failing the less willing they are to do something to fix it.

See also hot car deaths. Why there isn't legislation mandating weight sensors in the back of cars is a mystery to me. Or no wait it's not, they don't do it because they think it is murderous parents not sleep deprived zombies who do this. Vengeance does not save children's lives. And this is exactly why I have been so annoying on this thread about how people are using the word karma. People think children deserve what their parents provide, that they deserve to suffer for the sins of their parents. BUT THEY DO NOT. I'm sure all you jerks are pro lifers too. These are HUMAN BEINGS who we could SAVE with common sense safety legislation, but no, same thing with the stupid guns. We can blame a human, so we don't invent something to SAVE INNOCENT CHILDREN.

Except when I needed to shower and I put them in a safe place, I have always been very vigilant about watch my kids. But, it's also easier when you have a smaller house and there really is no place your child will be where you cannot see or hear them. You don't have sex while your kids are awake. Selfish parenting. Shower, you put then in a play pen or right the bathroom door. Same with food poising.