APS DHMS walk zone nuclear option

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Anonymous wrote:How big is Immersion in middle school?

WMS is at 79% capacity, under 800 students.

They use these weasel words but don’t show the actual numbers:

“ None of the middle schools have the seats required to maintain a capacity utilization at or below 100%. As result of this analysis, the existence of the immersion program at any of the middle schools does not improve school capacity, transportation choices, or APS Transportation Services. ”

At 79%, WMS can likely accommodate all of Immersion and not exceed 105%. Change a couple of transfers or planning units and it’s done

Kenmore is at 91%, so sticking Immersion there causes the waterfall impact across dozens of planning units.

They aren’t even showing the numbers, just stating Kenmore is the answer.

Are those the current numbers? I thought the numbers for the year that this potential move would happen are even lower than that— something like 65% for Wburg and in the low 80s for Kenmore. If memory serves.

Current numbers. I have heard WMS is 65% projection as well but I can’t document it. But yeah, no idea why Immersion to WMS isn’t the default — least disruption, least buses, boosts diversity in No Arlington MS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How big is Immersion in middle school?

WMS is at 79% capacity, under 800 students.

They use these weasel words but don’t show the actual numbers:

“ None of the middle schools have the seats required to maintain a capacity utilization at or below 100%. As result of this analysis, the existence of the immersion program at any of the middle schools does not improve school capacity, transportation choices, or APS Transportation Services. ”

At 79%, WMS can likely accommodate all of Immersion and not exceed 105%. Change a couple of transfers or planning units and it’s done

Kenmore is at 91%, so sticking Immersion there causes the waterfall impact across dozens of planning units.

They aren’t even showing the numbers, just stating Kenmore is the answer.

Are those the current numbers? I thought the numbers for the year that this potential move would happen are even lower than that— something like 65% for Wburg and in the low 80s for Kenmore. If memory serves.

Current numbers. I have heard WMS is 65% projection as well but I can’t document it. But yeah, no idea why Immersion to WMS isn’t the default — least disruption, least buses, boosts diversity in No Arlington MS.

Not if they're switching to an 80/20 model. Moving it to WMS would merely support making the program mostly for wealthy non-ELL. If that's the direction the program goes, it loses my support for retaining it as an option program.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How big is Immersion in middle school?

WMS is at 79% capacity, under 800 students.

They use these weasel words but don’t show the actual numbers:

“ None of the middle schools have the seats required to maintain a capacity utilization at or below 100%. As result of this analysis, the existence of the immersion program at any of the middle schools does not improve school capacity, transportation choices, or APS Transportation Services. ”

At 79%, WMS can likely accommodate all of Immersion and not exceed 105%. Change a couple of transfers or planning units and it’s done

Kenmore is at 91%, so sticking Immersion there causes the waterfall impact across dozens of planning units.

They aren’t even showing the numbers, just stating Kenmore is the answer.

Are those the current numbers? I thought the numbers for the year that this potential move would happen are even lower than that— something like 65% for Wburg and in the low 80s for Kenmore. If memory serves.

Current numbers. I have heard WMS is 65% projection as well but I can’t document it. But yeah, no idea why Immersion to WMS isn’t the default — least disruption, least buses, boosts diversity in No Arlington MS.

Not if they're switching to an 80/20 model. Moving it to WMS would merely support making the program mostly for wealthy non-ELL. If that's the direction the program goes, it loses my support for retaining it as an option program.

Are you a board member or part of immersion? Otherwise don’t really care. They should talk to stakeholders, not busybodies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How big is Immersion in middle school?

WMS is at 79% capacity, under 800 students.

They use these weasel words but don’t show the actual numbers:

“ None of the middle schools have the seats required to maintain a capacity utilization at or below 100%. As result of this analysis, the existence of the immersion program at any of the middle schools does not improve school capacity, transportation choices, or APS Transportation Services. ”

At 79%, WMS can likely accommodate all of Immersion and not exceed 105%. Change a couple of transfers or planning units and it’s done

Kenmore is at 91%, so sticking Immersion there causes the waterfall impact across dozens of planning units.

They aren’t even showing the numbers, just stating Kenmore is the answer.

Are those the current numbers? I thought the numbers for the year that this potential move would happen are even lower than that— something like 65% for Wburg and in the low 80s for Kenmore. If memory serves.

Current numbers. I have heard WMS is 65% projection as well but I can’t document it. But yeah, no idea why Immersion to WMS isn’t the default — least disruption, least buses, boosts diversity in No Arlington MS.

Not if they're switching to an 80/20 model. Moving it to WMS would merely support making the program mostly for wealthy non-ELL. If that's the direction the program goes, it loses my support for retaining it as an option program.

Are you a board member or part of immersion? Otherwise don’t really care. They should talk to stakeholders, not busybodies.

Huh?! Option programs impact the whole system. They cost money. They require space. Where programs are located impacts other schools and boundaries. They impact enrollment and demographics at neighborhood schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How big is Immersion in middle school?

WMS is at 79% capacity, under 800 students.

They use these weasel words but don’t show the actual numbers:

“ None of the middle schools have the seats required to maintain a capacity utilization at or below 100%. As result of this analysis, the existence of the immersion program at any of the middle schools does not improve school capacity, transportation choices, or APS Transportation Services. ”

At 79%, WMS can likely accommodate all of Immersion and not exceed 105%. Change a couple of transfers or planning units and it’s done

Kenmore is at 91%, so sticking Immersion there causes the waterfall impact across dozens of planning units.

They aren’t even showing the numbers, just stating Kenmore is the answer.

Are those the current numbers? I thought the numbers for the year that this potential move would happen are even lower than that— something like 65% for Wburg and in the low 80s for Kenmore. If memory serves.

Current numbers. I have heard WMS is 65% projection as well but I can’t document it. But yeah, no idea why Immersion to WMS isn’t the default — least disruption, least buses, boosts diversity in No Arlington MS.

Not if they're switching to an 80/20 model. Moving it to WMS would merely support making the program mostly for wealthy non-ELL. If that's the direction the program goes, it loses my support for retaining it as an option program.

Immersion will only be 80/20 for the first few years of elementary. It’s 50/50 by mid-ES & beyond. So how is this relevant to MS?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How big is Immersion in middle school?

WMS is at 79% capacity, under 800 students.

They use these weasel words but don’t show the actual numbers:

“ None of the middle schools have the seats required to maintain a capacity utilization at or below 100%. As result of this analysis, the existence of the immersion program at any of the middle schools does not improve school capacity, transportation choices, or APS Transportation Services. ”

At 79%, WMS can likely accommodate all of Immersion and not exceed 105%. Change a couple of transfers or planning units and it’s done

Kenmore is at 91%, so sticking Immersion there causes the waterfall impact across dozens of planning units.

They aren’t even showing the numbers, just stating Kenmore is the answer.

Are those the current numbers? I thought the numbers for the year that this potential move would happen are even lower than that— something like 65% for Wburg and in the low 80s for Kenmore. If memory serves.

Current numbers. I have heard WMS is 65% projection as well but I can’t document it. But yeah, no idea why Immersion to WMS isn’t the default — least disruption, least buses, boosts diversity in No Arlington MS.

Not if they're switching to an 80/20 model. Moving it to WMS would merely support making the program mostly for wealthy non-ELL. If that's the direction the program goes, it loses my support for retaining it as an option program.

Immersion will only be 80/20 for the first few years of elementary. It’s 50/50 by mid-ES & beyond. So how is this relevant to MS?

If they're implementing 80/20, it's ultimately going to be 80/20 in mid-ES and beyond once those grades matriculate. Or is the program going to be 80/20 for preK-2nd and then somehow suddenly become 50/50 3rd grade up?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How big is Immersion in middle school?

WMS is at 79% capacity, under 800 students.

They use these weasel words but don’t show the actual numbers:

“ None of the middle schools have the seats required to maintain a capacity utilization at or below 100%. As result of this analysis, the existence of the immersion program at any of the middle schools does not improve school capacity, transportation choices, or APS Transportation Services. ”

At 79%, WMS can likely accommodate all of Immersion and not exceed 105%. Change a couple of transfers or planning units and it’s done

Kenmore is at 91%, so sticking Immersion there causes the waterfall impact across dozens of planning units.

They aren’t even showing the numbers, just stating Kenmore is the answer.

Are those the current numbers? I thought the numbers for the year that this potential move would happen are even lower than that— something like 65% for Wburg and in the low 80s for Kenmore. If memory serves.

Current numbers. I have heard WMS is 65% projection as well but I can’t document it. But yeah, no idea why Immersion to WMS isn’t the default — least disruption, least buses, boosts diversity in No Arlington MS.

Not if they're switching to an 80/20 model. Moving it to WMS would merely support making the program mostly for wealthy non-ELL. If that's the direction the program goes, it loses my support for retaining it as an option program.

Immersion will only be 80/20 for the first few years of elementary. It’s 50/50 by mid-ES & beyond. So how is this relevant to MS?

If they're implementing 80/20, it's ultimately going to be 80/20 in mid-ES and beyond once those grades matriculate. Or is the program going to be 80/20 for preK-2nd and then somehow suddenly become 50/50 3rd grade up?

Spanish speakers can transfer in from other entry points unlike English speakers which must start in K.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How big is Immersion in middle school?

WMS is at 79% capacity, under 800 students.

They use these weasel words but don’t show the actual numbers:

“ None of the middle schools have the seats required to maintain a capacity utilization at or below 100%. As result of this analysis, the existence of the immersion program at any of the middle schools does not improve school capacity, transportation choices, or APS Transportation Services. ”

At 79%, WMS can likely accommodate all of Immersion and not exceed 105%. Change a couple of transfers or planning units and it’s done

Kenmore is at 91%, so sticking Immersion there causes the waterfall impact across dozens of planning units.

They aren’t even showing the numbers, just stating Kenmore is the answer.

Are those the current numbers? I thought the numbers for the year that this potential move would happen are even lower than that— something like 65% for Wburg and in the low 80s for Kenmore. If memory serves.

Current numbers. I have heard WMS is 65% projection as well but I can’t document it. But yeah, no idea why Immersion to WMS isn’t the default — least disruption, least buses, boosts diversity in No Arlington MS.

Not if they're switching to an 80/20 model. Moving it to WMS would merely support making the program mostly for wealthy non-ELL. If that's the direction the program goes, it loses my support for retaining it as an option program.

Immersion will only be 80/20 for the first few years of elementary. It’s 50/50 by mid-ES & beyond. So how is this relevant to MS?

If they're implementing 80/20, it's ultimately going to be 80/20 in mid-ES and beyond once those grades matriculate. Or is the program going to be 80/20 for preK-2nd and then somehow suddenly become 50/50 3rd grade up?

Spanish speakers can transfer in from other entry points unlike English speakers which must start in K.

And you think a slew of Spanish speakers are going to suddenly transfer in in 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, and 8th grades? To WMS? ok.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How big is Immersion in middle school?

WMS is at 79% capacity, under 800 students.

They use these weasel words but don’t show the actual numbers:

“ None of the middle schools have the seats required to maintain a capacity utilization at or below 100%. As result of this analysis, the existence of the immersion program at any of the middle schools does not improve school capacity, transportation choices, or APS Transportation Services. ”

At 79%, WMS can likely accommodate all of Immersion and not exceed 105%. Change a couple of transfers or planning units and it’s done

Kenmore is at 91%, so sticking Immersion there causes the waterfall impact across dozens of planning units.

They aren’t even showing the numbers, just stating Kenmore is the answer.

Are those the current numbers? I thought the numbers for the year that this potential move would happen are even lower than that— something like 65% for Wburg and in the low 80s for Kenmore. If memory serves.

Current numbers. I have heard WMS is 65% projection as well but I can’t document it. But yeah, no idea why Immersion to WMS isn’t the default — least disruption, least buses, boosts diversity in No Arlington MS.

Not if they're switching to an 80/20 model. Moving it to WMS would merely support making the program mostly for wealthy non-ELL. If that's the direction the program goes, it loses my support for retaining it as an option program.

The 80/20 model refers to the amount of instruction time in Spanish, NOT the percentage of Spanish/English speakers. It is starting in Kinder and 1st this year. Once fully implemented, Kinder-2nd will have 80% of instruction in Spanish, 20% of instruction in English. 3rd grade will have 70% instruction in Spanish, 30% instruction in English. 4th grade and beyond will remain 50% Spanish instruction, 50% English instruction.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How big is Immersion in middle school?

WMS is at 79% capacity, under 800 students.

They use these weasel words but don’t show the actual numbers:

“ None of the middle schools have the seats required to maintain a capacity utilization at or below 100%. As result of this analysis, the existence of the immersion program at any of the middle schools does not improve school capacity, transportation choices, or APS Transportation Services. ”

At 79%, WMS can likely accommodate all of Immersion and not exceed 105%. Change a couple of transfers or planning units and it’s done

Kenmore is at 91%, so sticking Immersion there causes the waterfall impact across dozens of planning units.

They aren’t even showing the numbers, just stating Kenmore is the answer.

Are those the current numbers? I thought the numbers for the year that this potential move would happen are even lower than that— something like 65% for Wburg and in the low 80s for Kenmore. If memory serves.

Current numbers. I have heard WMS is 65% projection as well but I can’t document it. But yeah, no idea why Immersion to WMS isn’t the default — least disruption, least buses, boosts diversity in No Arlington MS.

Not if they're switching to an 80/20 model. Moving it to WMS would merely support making the program mostly for wealthy non-ELL. If that's the direction the program goes, it loses my support for retaining it as an option program.

Immersion will only be 80/20 for the first few years of elementary. It’s 50/50 by mid-ES & beyond. So how is this relevant to MS?

If they're implementing 80/20, it's ultimately going to be 80/20 in mid-ES and beyond once those grades matriculate. Or is the program going to be 80/20 for preK-2nd and then somehow suddenly become 50/50 3rd grade up?

Spanish speakers can transfer in from other entry points unlike English speakers which must start in K.

And you think a slew of Spanish speakers are going to suddenly transfer in in 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, and 8th grades? To WMS? ok.

The 80/20 model refers to the amount of instruction time in Spanish, NOT the percentage of Spanish/English speakers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How big is Immersion in middle school?

WMS is at 79% capacity, under 800 students.

They use these weasel words but don’t show the actual numbers:

“ None of the middle schools have the seats required to maintain a capacity utilization at or below 100%. As result of this analysis, the existence of the immersion program at any of the middle schools does not improve school capacity, transportation choices, or APS Transportation Services. ”

At 79%, WMS can likely accommodate all of Immersion and not exceed 105%. Change a couple of transfers or planning units and it’s done

Kenmore is at 91%, so sticking Immersion there causes the waterfall impact across dozens of planning units.

They aren’t even showing the numbers, just stating Kenmore is the answer.

Are those the current numbers? I thought the numbers for the year that this potential move would happen are even lower than that— something like 65% for Wburg and in the low 80s for Kenmore. If memory serves.

Current numbers. I have heard WMS is 65% projection as well but I can’t document it. But yeah, no idea why Immersion to WMS isn’t the default — least disruption, least buses, boosts diversity in No Arlington MS.

Not if they're switching to an 80/20 model. Moving it to WMS would merely support making the program mostly for wealthy non-ELL. If that's the direction the program goes, it loses my support for retaining it as an option program.

Immersion will only be 80/20 for the first few years of elementary. It’s 50/50 by mid-ES & beyond. So how is this relevant to MS?

If they're implementing 80/20, it's ultimately going to be 80/20 in mid-ES and beyond once those grades matriculate. Or is the program going to be 80/20 for preK-2nd and then somehow suddenly become 50/50 3rd grade up?

Spanish speakers can transfer in from other entry points unlike English speakers which must start in K.

I believe that this is only true if they pass a proficiency test. I remember a couple years ago Reid Goldstein ranting about how Spanish speaking kids at Wakefield weren’t able to take Immersion courses, only kids who’d been in the program all the way through. I assume it’s because while they spoke Spanish at home, their reading/writing comprehension wasn’t high enough to pass the proficiency tests. So essentially, kids can’t just transfer in after ES, unless the rules have been changed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How big is Immersion in middle school?

WMS is at 79% capacity, under 800 students.

They use these weasel words but don’t show the actual numbers:

“ None of the middle schools have the seats required to maintain a capacity utilization at or below 100%. As result of this analysis, the existence of the immersion program at any of the middle schools does not improve school capacity, transportation choices, or APS Transportation Services. ”

At 79%, WMS can likely accommodate all of Immersion and not exceed 105%. Change a couple of transfers or planning units and it’s done

Kenmore is at 91%, so sticking Immersion there causes the waterfall impact across dozens of planning units.

They aren’t even showing the numbers, just stating Kenmore is the answer.

Are those the current numbers? I thought the numbers for the year that this potential move would happen are even lower than that— something like 65% for Wburg and in the low 80s for Kenmore. If memory serves.

Current numbers. I have heard WMS is 65% projection as well but I can’t document it. But yeah, no idea why Immersion to WMS isn’t the default — least disruption, least buses, boosts diversity in No Arlington MS.

Not if they're switching to an 80/20 model. Moving it to WMS would merely support making the program mostly for wealthy non-ELL. If that's the direction the program goes, it loses my support for retaining it as an option program.

Immersion will only be 80/20 for the first few years of elementary. It’s 50/50 by mid-ES & beyond. So how is this relevant to MS?

If they're implementing 80/20, it's ultimately going to be 80/20 in mid-ES and beyond once those grades matriculate. Or is the program going to be 80/20 for preK-2nd and then somehow suddenly become 50/50 3rd grade up?

Spanish speakers can transfer in from other entry points unlike English speakers which must start in K.

I believe that this is only true if they pass a proficiency test. I remember a couple years ago Reid Goldstein ranting about how Spanish speaking kids at Wakefield weren’t able to take Immersion courses, only kids who’d been in the program all the way through. I assume it’s because while they spoke Spanish at home, their reading/writing comprehension wasn’t high enough to pass the proficiency tests. So essentially, kids can’t just transfer in after ES, unless the rules have been changed.

There is a spanish proficiency test kids have to pass to join the program starting in 2nd grade and later. I would assume there is a proficiency test in MS and HS as well but my kids are in ES so I don't know as much about the program beyond ES.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How big is Immersion in middle school?

WMS is at 79% capacity, under 800 students.

They use these weasel words but don’t show the actual numbers:

“ None of the middle schools have the seats required to maintain a capacity utilization at or below 100%. As result of this analysis, the existence of the immersion program at any of the middle schools does not improve school capacity, transportation choices, or APS Transportation Services. ”

At 79%, WMS can likely accommodate all of Immersion and not exceed 105%. Change a couple of transfers or planning units and it’s done

Kenmore is at 91%, so sticking Immersion there causes the waterfall impact across dozens of planning units.

They aren’t even showing the numbers, just stating Kenmore is the answer.

Are those the current numbers? I thought the numbers for the year that this potential move would happen are even lower than that— something like 65% for Wburg and in the low 80s for Kenmore. If memory serves.

Current numbers. I have heard WMS is 65% projection as well but I can’t document it. But yeah, no idea why Immersion to WMS isn’t the default — least disruption, least buses, boosts diversity in No Arlington MS.

Not if they're switching to an 80/20 model. Moving it to WMS would merely support making the program mostly for wealthy non-ELL. If that's the direction the program goes, it loses my support for retaining it as an option program.

The 80/20 model refers to the amount of instruction time in Spanish, NOT the percentage of Spanish/English speakers. It is starting in Kinder and 1st this year. Once fully implemented, Kinder-2nd will have 80% of instruction in Spanish, 20% of instruction in English. 3rd grade will have 70% instruction in Spanish, 30% instruction in English. 4th grade and beyond will remain 50% Spanish instruction, 50% English instruction.

Thank you. That makes much more sense.

[Anonymous]

From watching the pre-CIP table session #1 tonight, I am struck by how much credence has been given to the recommendations of an immersion “visioning” process that - as far as I know - was not publicly noticed.

I will be researching the issue further, but I am deeply troubled by the lack of transparency on this issue. Some random assortment of stakeholders say they want one, centrally located middle school immersion program and we upend an entire county’s boundaries accordingly?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:From watching the pre-CIP table session #1 tonight, I am struck by how much credence has been given to the recommendations of an immersion “visioning” process that - as far as I know - was not publicly noticed.

I will be researching the issue further, but I am deeply troubled by the lack of transparency on this issue. Some random assortment of stakeholders say they want one, centrally located middle school immersion program and we upend an entire county’s boundaries accordingly?

It's similar to the visioning process Montessori did. All from within the sub-community; not the APS community. So if you weren't aware of Montessori's visioning, you might look into that as well.