FL schools to teach that "Blacks benefited from slavery" and "massacres had reasons"

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Anonymous wrote:Can you imagine if this were required in Germany " although nazism presented sigificant challenges to the jews they benefited by forced migration to the united states"

Oh it’s worse than that. It’d be the equivalent of saying that the Nazis were indirectly responsible for the creation of a Jewish homeland in Israel. I don’t see how the GOP sleeps at night with this kind of stuff. It really is no different. Go watch Ken Burns’ latest series and you’ll see that Hitler more or less admired what the south had already been doing.

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Anonymous wrote:I still want to understand the difference between Germany and the American south. Why are the Germans so much better at acknowledging the evil they did? Why are Americans so resistant to it? I have to say I admire the Germans.

Because rank and file Germans were horrified at what the Nazi's did during the war and understood their silence contributed to the horror. The American South has no shame in their racist heritage and have manged to brainwash generations of spawn to their hate.

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Anonymous wrote:I wasn't really paying attention to this news story because it appeared to be so obviously BS that it wasn't worth reading. Then I realized that was the wrong way to go, because if we quit paying attention to potential abuses of power, we won't notice them when they happen.

So I looked into this story and, well, it was intentionally misconstrued to smear Florida. I don't know why I bother.

Oh well by all means, share your proof with the class.

It’s still a dumb thing to say and a dumb way to say it. Were they more likely to earn a trade if they were slaves than if they were free? Hell No. So slavery didn’t give them skills. Working gave them skills and occasionally their aptitude was recognized and their owners rented them out as tradesmen, for the benefit of their owner. They would have learned more skills and benefited more from their skills if they were free. It’s not a “benefit” of slavery. If Florida can name the slaves who learned skilled trades, there weren’t very damn many of them. After the Civil War, there immediately were many more Black skilled tradesmen in many more industries than there had been in slavery because slavery had intentionally kept most of them ignorant and isolated as captive field hands.

Can you read? Do you have a brain and any understanding of what children can learn, both good and bad?

I wish I could say I'm surprised that you would argue about this ... but I'm not. SMH

Just how did these skills "benefit" the enslaved person who had them? What a bizarre things to say.

Of course it's fine to discuss how some enslaved people were highly skilled in various artisan fields, despite being held in bondage. To say they "benefited" from this is ahistorical. A person who is born enslaved and dies enslaved, never having experienced freedom, has never benefited from anything.

This statement is breathtaking.

246 years is a lot of heartbreak.

PP said that a person who is born enslaved and dies enslaved, never having experienced freedom, has never benefited from anything. Has never lived.

That's a terrible statement that these historians are pushing back against. PP cannot even see it. Doesn't realize it.

DP... What benefit? Being given a bare subsistence while being worked to death for no wages? Being kept as chattel property and not being ever allowed to make any of your own decisions? Being kept from being allowed to pursue any other life? That was the actual historical fact. If "these historians" aren't acknowledging that then either they aren't historians, or are liar.

Do YOU not even see it? Do YOU not realize it?

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Anonymous wrote:I still want to understand the difference between Germany and the American south. Why are the Germans so much better at acknowledging the evil they did? Why are Americans so resistant to it? I have to say I admire the Germans.

Because rank and file Germans were horrified at what the Nazi's did during the war and understood their silence contributed to the horror. The American South has no shame in their racist heritage and have manged to brainwash generations of spawn to their hate.

I lived in Germany for 10 years in the 1970s. The younger generations all came to terms with it, but the older generations still struggled with it.

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African-Americans are the most forgiving and resilient people on the planet. All they want is equality and acknowledgment of their history and the South can't even do that.

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Anonymous wrote:African-Americans are the most forgiving and resilient people on the planet. All they want is equality and acknowledgment of their history and the South can't even do that.

Amen to that. It's incredible they still have to put up with this sh**t.

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Anonymous wrote:I still want to understand the difference between Germany and the American south. Why are the Germans so much better at acknowledging the evil they did? Why are Americans so resistant to it? I have to say I admire the Germans.

The Germans who perpetrated the horrors were beaten into total submission, tried in a court, and hung from the gallows.

Those who perpetrated slavery were allowed to rejoin Congress and run their state government. Further, the same economic system that allowed slavery is still in use today: unchecked capitalism.

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That thread is misleading and should be closed.

Not really. Anything casting positive results of slavery is bunk.

I understand - however that thread title focuses on Desantis (who is instrumental but) and we should talk about what states like FL has become. This topic is much bigger than the small politician Desantis. People in these states need to stop these insanity.

It is more evil than insane.

They are trying to program the next generation to believe the white supremacy and conservative views of voters who tend to favor Republicans.

Those kids had better attend college in FLA because their peers in the rest of the country will have been taught concepts from 2023 instead of 1950.

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Anonymous wrote:I still want to understand the difference between Germany and the American south. Why are the Germans so much better at acknowledging the evil they did? Why are Americans so resistant to it? I have to say I admire the Germans.

Because rank and file Germans were horrified at what the Nazi's did during the war and understood their silence contributed to the horror. The American South has no shame in their racist heritage and have manged to brainwash generations of spawn to their hate.

I lived in Germany for 10 years in the 1970s. The younger generations all came to terms with it, but the older generations still struggled with it.

I totally appreciate that the great grandparents of us southerners may have struggled. but today's citizens?

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Anonymous wrote:I wasn't really paying attention to this news story because it appeared to be so obviously BS that it wasn't worth reading. Then I realized that was the wrong way to go, because if we quit paying attention to potential abuses of power, we won't notice them when they happen.

So I looked into this story and, well, it was intentionally misconstrued to smear Florida. I don't know why I bother.

Oh well by all means, share your proof with the class.

It’s still a dumb thing to say and a dumb way to say it. Were they more likely to earn a trade if they were slaves than if they were free? Hell No. So slavery didn’t give them skills. Working gave them skills and occasionally their aptitude was recognized and their owners rented them out as tradesmen, for the benefit of their owner. They would have learned more skills and benefited more from their skills if they were free. It’s not a “benefit” of slavery. If Florida can name the slaves who learned skilled trades, there weren’t very damn many of them. After the Civil War, there immediately were many more Black skilled tradesmen in many more industries than there had been in slavery because slavery had intentionally kept most of them ignorant and isolated as captive field hands.

Regardless, nothing stated is not true. They did learn skills that benefited them. And, this press release cites specific examples.
Sorry that disturbs you so.

Do you think that they may wanted to do something in life they desired to do opposed to their masters' will. Of course you didn't. Like their masters, you think you know what was best for grown ass people. Master was so benevolent to allow grown men and women to learn a skill outside of picking tobacco and cotton in the fields. Maybe these people did not want to be blacksmiths, cobble makers, seamstresses but wanted to simply be free to make their own decisions in life and become physicians, teachers, dentist, fathers and mothers. But I forget, so many white white folks back than and right now, think that Black folks are incapable of making decisions about their own life and they need to be led like children, i.e., enslaving them and allowing them to learn new skills to supplement master's net worth.

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If a woman was kidnapped and raped for years, would you ask her whether she picked up any good cooking skills or recipes during that period? For balance?
Would you try to use that defense argument with a jury?

OF COURSE NOT, because it is so disingenuous.

AND so disrespectful of the price she paid.

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Go read the whole curriculum. This is one teeny part of the whole story. The horrors are included. Slavery was/is egregious. No matter how well some slaves may have been treated. There is no question of how horrible it is and was. (and, yes, slavery still exists in some places.)

But, some slaves were taught skills and did them well. Some were even able to purchase their own freedom--though I believe it was a very tiny percentage.
https://www.monticello.org/research-education/thomas-jefferson-encyclopedia/slaves-who-gained-freedom/

Again, a very small percentage.

Do you really think that all slaves were just field hands? They worked in factories, too.

Again, read the curriculum for the class. This is one tiny part of it. The horrors are also taught.

To listen to Harris, you would think this comprised the whole course.

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Anonymous wrote:Let me guess this is false like the Nebraska abortion story where she was jailed for concealing the body not for the abortion . Yet you even get Steve descano lying about it

It’s on pages 6 and 71 of the relevant document, at least the nugget about how they got great personal skills from being enslaved.

DP. I looked at pages 5-6 and 70-72, and the standards are fine. As a whole, and all the subsections in context. Read all of it and you'll see that it's fine. And a much more detailed history than I learned in school, including my college history class.

You're proud of your crappy history education. Wow. So you think that because you had a crappy education that justifies this new generation receiving worse or miseducation. 'Merica

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Anonymous wrote:Go read the whole curriculum. This is one teeny part of the whole story. The horrors are included. Slavery was/is egregious. No matter how well some slaves may have been treated. There is no question of how horrible it is and was. (and, yes, slavery still exists in some places.)

But, some slaves were taught skills and did them well. Some were even able to purchase their own freedom--though I believe it was a very tiny percentage.
https://www.monticello.org/research-education/thomas-jefferson-encyclopedia/slaves-who-gained-freedom/

Again, a very small percentage.

Do you really think that all slaves were just field hands? They worked in factories, too.

Again, read the curriculum for the class. This is one tiny part of it. The horrors are also taught.

To listen to Harris, you would think this comprised the whole course.

Oh, well if they worked in factories.