Won't the AA ruling be particularly bad for private school URMs?

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Private schools put in a lot of effort to get some black kids to make the white parents feel good that they are not racist. Many of these black kids are not coming from wealth, and might even be in a different zip code.

They can just write about the opportunity to go to a private school that their family was lucky to get a scholarship, and the admissions office will get the code.

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Anonymous wrote:historically, URM at the Big3 have received a significant college admissions bump. Won't this be particularly bad going forward as these kids won't be identified as minorities based on "low social economic status", zip code or other proxies for race.
Will these schools be able to attract diverse student bodies going forward?I'm thinking not only of Black kids but also all the wealthy Hispanic/Spanish kids (Bank, IMF, diplomat) who attend the Big3 and traditionally got an admissions boost.

No need for your concern trolling OP. Wealthy Black and Brown students who are academic achievers at the Big 3, NYC independents, NE boarding schools, HW, etc will continue to do well in the college admissions game. Especially since they’re the progeny of well-educated, well-heeled, savvy parents who will provide all of the necessary guidance and support.

What is the big 3?

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Anonymous wrote:historically, URM at the Big3 have received a significant college admissions bump. Won't this be particularly bad going forward as these kids won't be identified as minorities based on "low social economic status", zip code or other proxies for race.
Will these schools be able to attract diverse student bodies going forward?I'm thinking not only of Black kids but also all the wealthy Hispanic/Spanish kids (Bank, IMF, diplomat) who attend the Big3 and traditionally got an admissions boost.

No need for your concern trolling OP. Wealthy Black and Brown students who are academic achievers at the Big 3, NYC independents, NE boarding schools, HW, etc will continue to do well in the college admissions game. Especially since they’re the progeny of well-educated, well-heeled, savvy parents who will provide all of the necessary guidance and support.

What is the big 3?

STA/NCS
Sidwell
Basis Independent McLean

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Anonymous wrote:historically, URM at the Big3 have received a significant college admissions bump. Won't this be particularly bad going forward as these kids won't be identified as minorities based on "low social economic status", zip code or other proxies for race.
Will these schools be able to attract diverse student bodies going forward?I'm thinking not only of Black kids but also all the wealthy Hispanic/Spanish kids (Bank, IMF, diplomat) who attend the Big3 and traditionally got an admissions boost.

To answer the original question: yes, this will be bad for elite private schools. They won’t be able to show off as many Ivy admissions or attract as many Black and Hispanic students. And it may eventually be bad for well-off white and Asian students too, as colleges begin to give more of an admissions bump to low-income students.

That won’t work with the budget or business model. Any budget, any college.

If you’re going to semi-fund other peoples’ college degrees via donations or taxes, you will have to put in place heavy merit tests, ability, and placement processes, like they do in the UK, Asia, Europe and LatAm.

The only way funding other people’s college degrees works is if the grads do well, graduate, get good jobs and careers, are productive citizens, stay in the country, and donate to their alma maters or generate a solid tax base.

In Europe your test scores and schooling performance dictate which majors, track, and level of uni are available for you to even apply for.

So sure it's less costly than the silly sticker prices here, but they want results to get in and they want results 10 years out. Or else they revamp things.
No results, no subsidized degree programme.

DP. This European system starting to sound great to me. More clear and more results-oriented.

Tracking kids before their brains are fully developed sounds great to you?

Ah yes, those silly underdeveloped 18 and 19 yo american teen brains. they need a break and lots more time so they can take a test. eventually. some day. and not whine about it.

Maybe do a couple mandatory years of military or govt aid jobs like all the other countries mandate too? will that "fully develop" their brains so we can pay for their college degrees?

any other ways to coddle american kids more than some are already doing? Its becoming a laughing stock in the employment market.

You seem to be under the misimpression that UK career tracking starts at 18.

I know how many EU countries and Asian countries handle this.

As for England, I feel the A level thing is too narrow for the last two years of “high school”, but I don’t have a problem with a test at age 16 or 17 to see if one even qualifies to apply to an Oxbridge college. Certainly cuts out this nonsense where everyone applies and 3-6% get in.
But remember the interview at Oxbridge is a verbal academic test, not a bunch of Why this, why that, tell me about yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:Any chance they'll end preferential admissions for athletes? (I know. You all are laughing all the way to the bank. But why should your lacrosse player get recruited and get a scholarship while my theatre kid doesn't? Or maybe just my "is a good student but not a gifted lacrosse player" kid?

Because schools care a lot more about their quarterbacks than they do about any science major. The Big10 isn't getting $7 billion dollars so that Fox can air a team of kids who got into Northwestern based on academic merits play a Purdue team of engineering majors.

They may not be as celebrated as the athlete. However, your smart but not athletically gifted kid is important to the school too. Otherwise there’s no academic prestige and the school just becomes a glorified haven for jocks and rich kids.

Which Big 10 and SEC schools have academic prestige?

They all have academic scholarships, honors programs, and national and global recruiting.

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The decision did allow universities to consider socioeconomic status, which is absolutely their avenue to promote diversity through outreach in lower income communities. The issue here of course is that only so many students could qualify for things like Financial aid before the allotted funds are used up. And where would they get more funding if they increase lower income students who cannot pay in full but cut out legacies and donors?

This is not the case at Harvard, whose endowment is so huge they really don't need to charge undergraduates at all.

That must be exactly how non-taxable endowments and portfolio theory works in your world!

[Anonymous]

Affirmative Action has helped white women the most. Now, LGBT and immigrants are benefiting the most. Don’t know why we are zeroing in on and asking about AA’s.

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Anonymous wrote:Affirmative Action has helped white women the most. Now, LGBT and immigrants are benefiting the most. Don’t know why we are zeroing in on and asking about AA’s.

As usual, indigenous black people in this country break their backs, do the work, make it possible for others to make a way in this country and get s**t on. All of these groups including Asians have benefitted from our hard fought for gains.

We are the only group that fights for EVERYONE’s rights. All other groups only concern themselves with theirs. When will we learn.

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Anonymous wrote:Watch all the wealthy, entitled, White folks who are celebrating this decision flip all the way out when schools re-imagine their legacy admissions policy. As an URM who went to a top private, let me tell you there were a lot of mediocre students getting into Ivy leagues on the coat tails of their parents. If that stops...my gosh...they will have to COMPETE!!! Let me run and grab my popcorn.

THIS!! Their racism allows for them to think they are smarter than every other black and brown person and that EVERY white child gains admission based upon merit. They only concern themselves with excluding blacks.

I’ll never forget my first legal job at a law firm. Living in America we all are susceptible to racist imagery and notions. Imagine my surprise when I realized that I was far smarter than the overwhelming majority of my white colleagues! Lots of white mediocrity. A black or brown person COULD NEVER keep a job being as mediocre as these people and that truth has remained my entire working life.

Great lesson. What a job America does on the psyche of its people.

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Anonymous wrote:Watch all the wealthy, entitled, White folks who are celebrating this decision flip all the way out when schools re-imagine their legacy admissions policy. As an URM who went to a top private, let me tell you there were a lot of mediocre students getting into Ivy leagues on the coat tails of their parents. If that stops...my gosh...they will have to COMPETE!!! Let me run and grab my popcorn.

They already have to compete. Just not as hard. John Kerry had to go to law school at BC.

THIS!! Their racism allows for them to think they are smarter than every other black and brown person and that EVERY white child gains admission based upon merit. They only concern themselves with excluding blacks.

I’ll never forget my first legal job at a law firm. Living in America we all are susceptible to racist imagery and notions. Imagine my surprise when I realized that I was far smarter than the overwhelming majority of my white colleagues! Lots of white mediocrity. A black or brown person COULD NEVER keep a job being as mediocre as these people and that truth has remained my entire working life.

Great lesson. What a job America does on the psyche of its people.

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Anonymous wrote:Affirmative Action has helped white women the most. Now, LGBT and immigrants are benefiting the most. Don’t know why we are zeroing in on and asking about AA’s.

As usual, indigenous black people in this country break their backs, do the work, make it possible for others to make a way in this country and get s**t on. All of these groups including Asians have benefitted from our hard fought for gains.

We are the only group that fights for EVERYONE’s rights. All other groups only concern themselves with theirs. When will we learn.

Yes because we are considered the lowest of the low, so one you extend rights to us, how can you deny them to those higher in the racial hierarchy? And I wouldn’t want to deny them anything.

But let’s me honest, one of the greatest “utilities” of slave-descendent black folks has been to give other groups something to distinguish themselves from as a means of achieving whiteness or proximity to whiteness. This applies to almost every racial group outside of western and Nordic Europeans (including immigrant blacks). This is just a fact.

I’m opposed to affirmative BTW and most other DEI measures. It’s all pointless…

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Anonymous wrote:Affirmative Action has helped white women the most. Now, LGBT and immigrants are benefiting the most. Don’t know why we are zeroing in on and asking about AA’s.

As usual, indigenous black people in this country break their backs, do the work, make it possible for others to make a way in this country and get s**t on. All of these groups including Asians have benefitted from our hard fought for gains.

We are the only group that fights for EVERYONE’s rights. All other groups only concern themselves with theirs. When will we learn.

Yes because we are considered the lowest of the low, so one you extend rights to us, how can you deny them to those higher in the racial hierarchy? And I wouldn’t want to deny them anything.

But let’s me honest, one of the greatest “utilities” of slave-descendent black folks has been to give other groups something to distinguish themselves from as a means of achieving whiteness or proximity to whiteness. This applies to almost every racial group outside of western and Nordic Europeans (including immigrant blacks). This is just a fact.

I’m opposed to affirmative BTW and most other DEI measures. It’s all pointless…

It seems pointless because you haven’t had to live in a world without it yet. You presume you’re on equal footing in America. No amount of money or education alone in this country will ever put you on equal footing in this country. You or your children will learn that lesson.

Racism in America is insidious at every level.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Affirmative Action has helped white women the most. Now, LGBT and immigrants are benefiting the most. Don’t know why we are zeroing in on and asking about AA’s.

As usual, indigenous black people in this country break their backs, do the work, make it possible for others to make a way in this country and get s**t on. All of these groups including Asians have benefitted from our hard fought for gains.

We are the only group that fights for EVERYONE’s rights. All other groups only concern themselves with theirs. When will we learn.

That’s because the native Black people, whose lineage goes back to the slaves on the soil need to spend more time trying to help themselves. In the past we fought for our own civil rights and to pull other oppressed groups up with us, then they assimilate and hate on us. To h$@l with affirmative action that wasn’t the Blacks who didn’t immigrate here very much anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Affirmative Action has helped white women the most. Now, LGBT and immigrants are benefiting the most. Don’t know why we are zeroing in on and asking about AA’s.

As usual, indigenous black people in this country break their backs, do the work, make it possible for others to make a way in this country and get s**t on. All of these groups including Asians have benefitted from our hard fought for gains.

We are the only group that fights for EVERYONE’s rights. All other groups only concern themselves with theirs. When will we learn.

That’s because the native Black people, whose lineage goes back to the slaves on the soil need to spend more time trying to help themselves. In the past we fought for our own civil rights and to pull other oppressed groups up with us, then they assimilate and hate on us. To h$@l with affirmative action that wasn’t the Blacks who didn’t immigrate here very much anyway.

Wasn’t helping the Blacks who weren’t immigrnts I meant.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Affirmative Action has helped white women the most. Now, LGBT and immigrants are benefiting the most. Don’t know why we are zeroing in on and asking about AA’s.

As usual, indigenous black people in this country break their backs, do the work, make it possible for others to make a way in this country and get s**t on. All of these groups including Asians have benefitted from our hard fought for gains.

We are the only group that fights for EVERYONE’s rights. All other groups only concern themselves with theirs. When will we learn.

That’s because the native Black people, whose lineage goes back to the slaves on the soil need to spend more time trying to help themselves. In the past we fought for our own civil rights and to pull other oppressed groups up with us, then they assimilate and hate on us. To h$@l with affirmative action that wasn’t the Blacks who didn’t immigrate here very much anyway.

Wasn’t helping the Blacks who weren’t immigrnts I meant.

That's right. Systemic racism is all a myth. The issue is that Black Americans are too lazy or unwilling to fight for their own freedom. Never mind that whole Civil Rights Movement nonsense!