We chose not to redshirt DS without considering the long-term consequences:

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Anonymous wrote:My son has a September bday; we did not redshirt. He is the top band as a freshman.

Ours was too. It has nothing to do with age, but talent and practice.

There are absolutely skills tied to development, including abstract reasoning, attention span and coordination. Being a year older does matter for nearly everything.

No, if your child is talented, they will be fine. Start them early with private lessons and private orchestra/music groups. That is what makes a difference.

With math, some of it is how their brain functions. If they are not math kids, they will struggle either way. If they are and ready, you let them do it.

That's really not how it works. You don't see people training their 6 mo so they can be "talented" and walk at 9 mo. It's really the same with other development too. There are brain functions that develop at certain ages and while some kids develop early, it doesn't mean that those who aren't early with that skill aren't talented or won't actually be better at it in the long run.

What you're arguing is akin to bragging that your kid started puberty earlier so they're more talented. Or saying that putting your kid in private lessons will make them start puberty. Brain development isn't puberty, but both are development that come for kids in a mostly predictable window of time, with some kids starting earlier and some later. You can't rush it or change it with "lessons." Abstract reasoning is a brain function that develops in a developmental windows and it's not about training or lessons.

Are you making excuses? If you want your kids strong in an area, YOU need to put in an effort. For sports, arts, etc. kids start young and often do it both at school and privately. You cannot wait till high school and say, hey, why isn't my child as good as Larla when Larla started in elementary school.

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Anonymous wrote:My son has a September bday; we did not redshirt. He is the top band as a freshman.

Ours was too. It has nothing to do with age, but talent and practice.

There are absolutely skills tied to development, including abstract reasoning, attention span and coordination. Being a year older does matter for nearly everything.

No, if your child is talented, they will be fine. Start them early with private lessons and private orchestra/music groups. That is what makes a difference.

With math, some of it is how their brain functions. If they are not math kids, they will struggle either way. If they are and ready, you let them do it.

That's really not how it works. You don't see people training their 6 mo so they can be "talented" and walk at 9 mo. It's really the same with other development too. There are brain functions that develop at certain ages and while some kids develop early, it doesn't mean that those who aren't early with that skill aren't talented or won't actually be better at it in the long run.

What you're arguing is akin to bragging that your kid started puberty earlier so they're more talented. Or saying that putting your kid in private lessons will make them start puberty. Brain development isn't puberty, but both are development that come for kids in a mostly predictable window of time, with some kids starting earlier and some later. You can't rush it or change it with "lessons." Abstract reasoning is a brain function that develops in a developmental windows and it's not about training or lessons.

Are you making excuses? If you want your kids strong in an area, YOU need to put in an effort. For sports, arts, etc. kids start young and often do it both at school and privately. You cannot wait till high school and say, hey, why isn't my child as good as Larla when Larla started in elementary school.

You seem to not realize that the term "redshirting" exists because of sports.

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like you give your son a handmade excuse for every failure. It's not your fault you didn't study for your math test; mommy didn't consider how lazy you'd be 11 years ago when she shipped you to Kindy!

Going to school on time is not why he took an extra year to graduate college. Possibly being raised by parents who told him, "it's not your fault, you're 3 months younger than your BFF how can you be held to the same standard??!" is the reason, though.

Three months can make a big difference when you’re a kid.

There will always be three month differences with kids in school! No, it’s not a big difference once they are past preschool. Not at all.

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like you give your son a handmade excuse for every failure. It's not your fault you didn't study for your math test; mommy didn't consider how lazy you'd be 11 years ago when she shipped you to Kindy!

Going to school on time is not why he took an extra year to graduate college. Possibly being raised by parents who told him, "it's not your fault, you're 3 months younger than your BFF how can you be held to the same standard??!" is the reason, though.

Three months can make a big difference when you’re a kid.

There will always be three month differences with kids in school! No, it’s not a big difference once they are past preschool. Not at all.

Ok but then the 3 months older a redshirted August kid is to an on-time October kid equally makes no difference.

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DS has a December birthday and started on time. He made it into the all-state orchestra all 4 years, graduated high school with Multivariable Calculus, and had enough AP credits to graduate college in 3 years.

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Anonymous wrote:DS has a December birthday and started on time. He made it into the all-state orchestra all 4 years, graduated high school with Multivariable Calculus, and had enough AP credits to graduate college in 3 years.

But you failed Logic and Statistics.

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Anonymous wrote:DS has a December birthday and started on time. He made it into the all-state orchestra all 4 years, graduated high school with Multivariable Calculus, and had enough AP credits to graduate college in 3 years.

But you failed Logic and Statistics.

How so?

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like you give your son a handmade excuse for every failure. It's not your fault you didn't study for your math test; mommy didn't consider how lazy you'd be 11 years ago when she shipped you to Kindy!

Going to school on time is not why he took an extra year to graduate college. Possibly being raised by parents who told him, "it's not your fault, you're 3 months younger than your BFF how can you be held to the same standard??!" is the reason, though.

Three months can make a big difference when you’re a kid.

There will always be three month differences with kids in school! No, it’s not a big difference once they are past preschool. Not at all.

Ok but then the 3 months older a redshirted August kid is to an on-time October kid equally makes no difference.

That would be a 14-month difference.

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How do you know whether your 4-year-old will even be interested in doing well in school. Some people are perfectly fine with being average.

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Anonymous wrote:How do you know whether your 4-year-old will even be interested in doing well in school. Some people are perfectly fine with being average.

I didn’t know doing well in school was a matter of preference.

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Anonymous wrote:How do you know whether your 4-year-old will even be interested in doing well in school. Some people are perfectly fine with being average.

I didn’t know doing well in school was a matter of preference.

What’s that supposed to mean?

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I know a redshirted kid with a September birthday. He's a math whiz, by which I mean he is a grade ahead in math, and gets pulled into the next grade up for math lessons.

His parents think his math aptitude is confirmation that redshirting was the right choice.

Others might argue that the fact this kid has to move up a grade for math, to the grade he would have been in had he not been redshirted, is proof his redshirting was not needed.

Still others will argue this whole scenario is an argument against grades, that we should all adopt the Montessori practice if multi age classrooms.

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Anonymous wrote:I know a redshirted kid with a September birthday. He's a math whiz, by which I mean he is a grade ahead in math, and gets pulled into the next grade up for math lessons.

His parents think his math aptitude is confirmation that redshirting was the right choice.

Others might argue that the fact this kid has to move up a grade for math, to the grade he would have been in had he not been redshirted, is proof his redshirting was not needed.

Still others will argue this whole scenario is an argument against grades, that we should all adopt the Montessori practice if multi age classrooms.

They’re right. Colleges will see him as someone who took Calculus in 11th grade, not as someone who took Calculus at 17.

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Anonymous wrote:I know a redshirted kid with a September birthday. He's a math whiz, by which I mean he is a grade ahead in math, and gets pulled into the next grade up for math lessons.

His parents think his math aptitude is confirmation that redshirting was the right choice.

Others might argue that the fact this kid has to move up a grade for math, to the grade he would have been in had he not been redshirted, is proof his redshirting was not needed.

Still others will argue this whole scenario is an argument against grades, that we should all adopt the Montessori practice if multi age classrooms.

They’re right. Colleges will see him as someone who took Calculus in 11th grade, not as someone who took Calculus at 17.

No, their argument is that redshirting him enabled his success in math. That he is better in math because he was in what they view to be the developmentally appropriate grade. Not that there is a tactical advantage for him to have been redshirted. At least that's not what they say out loud to others.

OP is similarly not making the argument that it would have been tactically advantageous to redshirt her son. She's arguing that he was at a developmental disadvantage in starting "on time" and this led to struggles he had in subjects like math.

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Anonymous wrote:Sounds like you give your son a handmade excuse for every failure. It's not your fault you didn't study for your math test; mommy didn't consider how lazy you'd be 11 years ago when she shipped you to Kindy!

Going to school on time is not why he took an extra year to graduate college. Possibly being raised by parents who told him, "it's not your fault, you're 3 months younger than your BFF how can you be held to the same standard??!" is the reason, though.

Three months can make a big difference when you’re a kid.

There will always be three month differences with kids in school! No, it’s not a big difference once they are past preschool. Not at all.

Ok but then the 3 months older a redshirted August kid is to an on-time October kid equally makes no difference.

They are both on the older side in the grade, it really doesn't matter.