Ukraine can win; but they have to be absolute bad guy

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Anonymous wrote:DP. A couple of points.

Russian history is difficult to use in effective propaganda, so Russians use WWII like a safety blanket. It's comforting propaganda for them, since it's the last time the Soviets did anything remotely "righteous". Same way the "Nazi" label works because SVR likely recruits ultra-right nationalists. Russian's can't say much before WWII, because Stalin's ethnic purges and holodomor would work against annexation of Crimea, invasion of Ukraine, etc.

I think Putin is just using soldiers to grind as sausage to deflect physical military opposition at home. Population is plummeting, and it's just a matter of time before Russia disintegrates into smaller chunks (they won't be able to hold current territory without population increases).

Someone should have gifted Putin a copy of Civilization IV with a sticky that says "Cultural Victory - it's a thing."

They have all of this culture around WWII and "WE fought the Nazis" when in fact millions of the Soviet troops that fought the Nazis and pushed all the way to Berlin where they drove Hitler to hide in a bunker and eat a bullet were in fact UKRAINIANS. Which makes it completely sick that they've now reinvented the Ukrainians to be the Nazis. Especially when their own home grown Russians keep being found adorned with Nazi symbols.

Because the Ukrainians were so good to the Jews and the Azov Battalion doesn’t exist
/s

You don't understand that things change over time? Again, Zelenskyy, a Jew, was elected with a popular majority, he got 73% of the total votes. A "Nazi" state wouldn't elect a Jew to its highest office with 73% of the vote. Has Russia elected a Jew to its highest office?

LOL you throw this number around but you have no idea why he did. Two pillars of his campaign promises:

1. Root out corruption (fail)
2. Achieve reconciliation with Russia (fail, and told to shut up or be hung)

Also, Zelensky's approval ratings "before" the war: 31%.

The fail is all yours. His current approval rating is 84%

LOL you want to know what Stalin's approval rating was during WW2?

Zelinskyy's approval ratings come from actual independent polls. Stalin's were just made up.

LOL right back atcha

Its easy to be popular when you ban opposition parties, shut down opposition media and strip opposition politicians of their citizenship. People get the message and give the "right" answer.

They weren't stripped of their citizenship for being "opposition politicians" - they were stripped of their citizenship for being corrupt pro-Putin shills caught stealing from Ukraine and lining their own pockets during a time of crisis when every dollar, every hryvnia is vital for survival.

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/02/4/7387959/

Look, I mean I know you're finding it hard to swallow in your righteous rage but there is a substantial chunk of Ukraine that supported reconciliation with Russia. That's why Zelensky was elected - because people wanted to reconcile with Russia, note, not to fight and win a military victory but to reconcile, because the history of these countries just isn't black and white like you think it is. These people haven't gone anywhere. They are in government, too. Everyone in Ukraine steals, corruption is endemic in these countries. It's just that Zelensky decided, or was told to decide, that "pro-reconciliation" now means treason.

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PS it’s Ukraine, not the Ukraine.

Tell it to Tom Cruise.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Getting ready to draft sixteen year olds in Ukraine.

Take away Zelensky’s keys and make peace. Save lives. Who cares about eastern Ukraine- it’s Russian anyway. Just misguided Ukrainian patriots and defense contractors and their lobbysists.

There seems to be a lot of willingness to go on, to be fair. It’s not like Zelensky is making them. Those that don’t want to fight -
There are cop outs for them

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Anonymous wrote:Getting ready to draft sixteen year olds in Ukraine.

Take away Zelensky’s keys and make peace. Save lives. Who cares about eastern Ukraine- it’s Russian anyway. Just misguided Ukrainian patriots and defense contractors and their lobbysists.

There seems to be a lot of willingness to go on, to be fair. It’s not like Zelensky is making them. Those that don’t want to fight -
There are cop outs for them

A lot of people that didn't want to fight fled the country. Zelensky is trying to extradite them now.

[Anonymous]

Ukraine is running out of gas…. Time to make a deal

[Anonymous]

Wonder if they will be stripping the Defense Minister of his citizenship.

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Anonymous wrote:DP. A couple of points.

Russian history is difficult to use in effective propaganda, so Russians use WWII like a safety blanket. It's comforting propaganda for them, since it's the last time the Soviets did anything remotely "righteous". Same way the "Nazi" label works because SVR likely recruits ultra-right nationalists. Russian's can't say much before WWII, because Stalin's ethnic purges and holodomor would work against annexation of Crimea, invasion of Ukraine, etc.

I think Putin is just using soldiers to grind as sausage to deflect physical military opposition at home. Population is plummeting, and it's just a matter of time before Russia disintegrates into smaller chunks (they won't be able to hold current territory without population increases).

Someone should have gifted Putin a copy of Civilization IV with a sticky that says "Cultural Victory - it's a thing."

They have all of this culture around WWII and "WE fought the Nazis" when in fact millions of the Soviet troops that fought the Nazis and pushed all the way to Berlin where they drove Hitler to hide in a bunker and eat a bullet were in fact UKRAINIANS. Which makes it completely sick that they've now reinvented the Ukrainians to be the Nazis. Especially when their own home grown Russians keep being found adorned with Nazi symbols.

Because the Ukrainians were so good to the Jews and the Azov Battalion doesn’t exist
/s

You don't understand that things change over time? Again, Zelenskyy, a Jew, was elected with a popular majority, he got 73% of the total votes. A "Nazi" state wouldn't elect a Jew to its highest office with 73% of the vote. Has Russia elected a Jew to its highest office?

LOL you throw this number around but you have no idea why he did. Two pillars of his campaign promises:

1. Root out corruption (fail)
2. Achieve reconciliation with Russia (fail, and told to shut up or be hung)

Also, Zelensky's approval ratings "before" the war: 31%.

The fail is all yours. His current approval rating is 84%

LOL you want to know what Stalin's approval rating was during WW2?

Zelinskyy's approval ratings come from actual independent polls. Stalin's were just made up.

LOL right back atcha

Its easy to be popular when you ban opposition parties, shut down opposition media and strip opposition politicians of their citizenship. People get the message and give the "right" answer.

They weren't stripped of their citizenship for being "opposition politicians" - they were stripped of their citizenship for being corrupt pro-Putin shills caught stealing from Ukraine and lining their own pockets during a time of crisis when every dollar, every hryvnia is vital for survival.

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/02/4/7387959/

Look, I mean I know you're finding it hard to swallow in your righteous rage but there is a substantial chunk of Ukraine that supported reconciliation with Russia. That's why Zelensky was elected - because people wanted to reconcile with Russia, note, not to fight and win a military victory but to reconcile, because the history of these countries just isn't black and white like you think it is. These people haven't gone anywhere. They are in government, too. Everyone in Ukraine steals, corruption is endemic in these countries. It's just that Zelensky decided, or was told to decide, that "pro-reconciliation" now means treason.

Huh, I wonder if that change came about because since Zelenskyy was elected Russia INVADED AND STARTED MASSACRING CIVILIANS and is still currently invading and massacring civilians?! You don't think that could have possibly changed the calculus of "reconciling" with Russia?

You Russian shills really need to get smarter. Those nonsense talking points may work on 4chan but this "isn't Ukraine the REAL aggressor for not surrendering to the nation that invaded them" BS will not fly here.

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Anonymous wrote:DP. A couple of points.

Russian history is difficult to use in effective propaganda, so Russians use WWII like a safety blanket. It's comforting propaganda for them, since it's the last time the Soviets did anything remotely "righteous". Same way the "Nazi" label works because SVR likely recruits ultra-right nationalists. Russian's can't say much before WWII, because Stalin's ethnic purges and holodomor would work against annexation of Crimea, invasion of Ukraine, etc.

I think Putin is just using soldiers to grind as sausage to deflect physical military opposition at home. Population is plummeting, and it's just a matter of time before Russia disintegrates into smaller chunks (they won't be able to hold current territory without population increases).

Someone should have gifted Putin a copy of Civilization IV with a sticky that says "Cultural Victory - it's a thing."

They have all of this culture around WWII and "WE fought the Nazis" when in fact millions of the Soviet troops that fought the Nazis and pushed all the way to Berlin where they drove Hitler to hide in a bunker and eat a bullet were in fact UKRAINIANS. Which makes it completely sick that they've now reinvented the Ukrainians to be the Nazis. Especially when their own home grown Russians keep being found adorned with Nazi symbols.

Because the Ukrainians were so good to the Jews and the Azov Battalion doesn’t exist
/s

You don't understand that things change over time? Again, Zelenskyy, a Jew, was elected with a popular majority, he got 73% of the total votes. A "Nazi" state wouldn't elect a Jew to its highest office with 73% of the vote. Has Russia elected a Jew to its highest office?

LOL you throw this number around but you have no idea why he did. Two pillars of his campaign promises:

1. Root out corruption (fail)
2. Achieve reconciliation with Russia (fail, and told to shut up or be hung)

Also, Zelensky's approval ratings "before" the war: 31%.

The fail is all yours. His current approval rating is 84%

LOL you want to know what Stalin's approval rating was during WW2?

Zelinskyy's approval ratings come from actual independent polls. Stalin's were just made up.

LOL right back atcha

Its easy to be popular when you ban opposition parties, shut down opposition media and strip opposition politicians of their citizenship. People get the message and give the "right" answer.

They weren't stripped of their citizenship for being "opposition politicians" - they were stripped of their citizenship for being corrupt pro-Putin shills caught stealing from Ukraine and lining their own pockets during a time of crisis when every dollar, every hryvnia is vital for survival.

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/02/4/7387959/

Look, I mean I know you're finding it hard to swallow in your righteous rage but there is a substantial chunk of Ukraine that supported reconciliation with Russia. That's why Zelensky was elected - because people wanted to reconcile with Russia, note, not to fight and win a military victory but to reconcile, because the history of these countries just isn't black and white like you think it is. These people haven't gone anywhere. They are in government, too. Everyone in Ukraine steals, corruption is endemic in these countries. It's just that Zelensky decided, or was told to decide, that "pro-reconciliation" now means treason.

Huh, I wonder if that change came about because since Zelenskyy was elected Russia INVADED AND STARTED MASSACRING CIVILIANS and is still currently invading and massacring civilians?! You don't think that could have possibly changed the calculus of "reconciling" with Russia?

You Russian shills really need to get smarter. Those nonsense talking points may work on 4chan but this "isn't Ukraine the REAL aggressor for not surrendering to the nation that invaded them" BS will not fly here.

"Here" is far away from the battlefield, dear.

Ukraine and Russia were ready to deal last spring in Istanbul before Johnson flew in and told Zelensky to step away from the table.

[Anonymous]

I don't give a sh*t about Ukraine's territory. I don't support American money and weaponry in Ukraine. Negotiate now. No more proxy war.

[Anonymous]

We must listen to Vindman- we have a lot of learning to do.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't give a sh*t about Ukraine's territory. I don't support American money and weaponry in Ukraine. Negotiate now. No more proxy war.

Why don’t Republicans not understand ROI anymore?

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Anonymous wrote:DP. A couple of points.

Russian history is difficult to use in effective propaganda, so Russians use WWII like a safety blanket. It's comforting propaganda for them, since it's the last time the Soviets did anything remotely "righteous". Same way the "Nazi" label works because SVR likely recruits ultra-right nationalists. Russian's can't say much before WWII, because Stalin's ethnic purges and holodomor would work against annexation of Crimea, invasion of Ukraine, etc.

I think Putin is just using soldiers to grind as sausage to deflect physical military opposition at home. Population is plummeting, and it's just a matter of time before Russia disintegrates into smaller chunks (they won't be able to hold current territory without population increases).

Someone should have gifted Putin a copy of Civilization IV with a sticky that says "Cultural Victory - it's a thing."

They have all of this culture around WWII and "WE fought the Nazis" when in fact millions of the Soviet troops that fought the Nazis and pushed all the way to Berlin where they drove Hitler to hide in a bunker and eat a bullet were in fact UKRAINIANS. Which makes it completely sick that they've now reinvented the Ukrainians to be the Nazis. Especially when their own home grown Russians keep being found adorned with Nazi symbols.

Because the Ukrainians were so good to the Jews and the Azov Battalion doesn’t exist
/s

You don't understand that things change over time? Again, Zelenskyy, a Jew, was elected with a popular majority, he got 73% of the total votes. A "Nazi" state wouldn't elect a Jew to its highest office with 73% of the vote. Has Russia elected a Jew to its highest office?

LOL you throw this number around but you have no idea why he did. Two pillars of his campaign promises:

1. Root out corruption (fail)
2. Achieve reconciliation with Russia (fail, and told to shut up or be hung)

Also, Zelensky's approval ratings "before" the war: 31%.

The fail is all yours. His current approval rating is 84%

LOL you want to know what Stalin's approval rating was during WW2?

Zelinskyy's approval ratings come from actual independent polls. Stalin's were just made up.

LOL right back atcha

Its easy to be popular when you ban opposition parties, shut down opposition media and strip opposition politicians of their citizenship. People get the message and give the "right" answer.

They weren't stripped of their citizenship for being "opposition politicians" - they were stripped of their citizenship for being corrupt pro-Putin shills caught stealing from Ukraine and lining their own pockets during a time of crisis when every dollar, every hryvnia is vital for survival.

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/02/4/7387959/

Look, I mean I know you're finding it hard to swallow in your righteous rage but there is a substantial chunk of Ukraine that supported reconciliation with Russia. That's why Zelensky was elected - because people wanted to reconcile with Russia, note, not to fight and win a military victory but to reconcile, because the history of these countries just isn't black and white like you think it is. These people haven't gone anywhere. They are in government, too. Everyone in Ukraine steals, corruption is endemic in these countries. It's just that Zelensky decided, or was told to decide, that "pro-reconciliation" now means treason.

Zelensky decides nothing there.

[Anonymous]

Nobody here understands that each minute we, yes, we, are not Winn this war, China is closer on moving to fully take back Taiwan. We are losing not just money but respect as a military power.

[Anonymous]

Vindman has been on the front lines- just follow his lead

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Vindman has been on the front lines- just follow his lead

https://volunteerforukraine.org/