Ukraine can win; but they have to be absolute bad guy

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ukraine is getting the $$$$ - at the top- and American tax payer play da fool.

I don't like the US getting entangled in foreign wars. But time and time again we have sent our money to overseas locations - Iraq ring a bell? - because reasons. We feel we have strategic reasons for wanting to (fill in the blank). I think Putin wants to re establish the former USSR and apparently, our analysts don't think that would be a good idea. I hate that it costs us money but don't you think it's probably a good idea for us to NOT give Putin whatever he wants on a silver platter? What would you just shrug as he invades a sovereign country? What if he turns on another one next? He's killing innocent civilians, you think we should just shrug?

For the equivalent of 5% of our annual defense budget, we've managed to destroy half of the operational capability of what was supposed to be the world's 2nd most powerful military.

Sounds like a pretty good investment to me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is an easy win-win here, and that is let the Russian populated parts go to Russia. Then they can have a clean break from Russia and go their own way. They will never be able to effectively govern these parts anyway.

Ukraine governed those parts just fine until 2014. But then Putin's corrupt criminal puppet Yanukovich got tossed out of office and in revenge, Putin employed the "little green men" strategy to saturate the Donbas area with FSB agents, mercenaries and regulars dressed as civilians to try and make it ungovernable by Ukraine.

You don't know that Ukraine governed them just fine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is an easy win-win here, and that is let the Russian populated parts go to Russia. Then they can have a clean break from Russia and go their own way. They will never be able to effectively govern these parts anyway.

Ukraine governed those parts just fine until 2014. But then Putin's corrupt criminal puppet Yanukovich got tossed out of office and in revenge, Putin employed the "little green men" strategy to saturate the Donbas area with FSB agents, mercenaries and regulars dressed as civilians to try and make it ungovernable by Ukraine.

You don't know that Ukraine governed them just fine.

It's a fact that Ukraine governed them a hell of a lot better than Russia and "DPR/LPR" are. And, prior to Putin's meddling, nobody was being killed by artillery, missiles or other military weapons. Nobody was being tortured, executed or involuntarily conscripted by the government. That all happened because of Putin.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:About 6 months into the war; as Russia stalled - I recalled a Ukrainian officer stating that only after Ukraine marched on Moscow would this war be over. Seemed far fetched at the time.

But if you look at history, Russia has been invaded 3 times (Mongols, Napoleon and Hitler) in a major way. Sure Sweden and a few others took their shot but was not much.

As I rewind current history in my armchair quarterback luxury; Ukraine knows that they have one option, and they do not come out the good guy in anyones myopic view of current events.

1) Horde all western weapons, ask for more
2) Lie to their Western supporters as needed to support defense and economy and liberation of their country
3) Prepare for offense with no Western support
4) Occupy Russian western territory at high cost
5) Cede Russian territory to Russia; endure Russia's celebration of repelling NATO invasion
6) Eastern Ukiraine/Crimea become a DMZ

Ukraine will take a serious PR hit and be condemned for crossing the border and using western "defensive" weapons in Russia; but in reality that is their best play other than surrendering their land to Russia.

Dear Comrade, Ukraine will not invade Moscow. They just want the Russians out of their country, including Crimea.

The war can end anytime Putin wants it to. Just pull out and offer reparations to fix the damage, and return all of the kidnapped children.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the narrative is shifting and soon it will be acceptable for Ukraine to bomb Russia. Everyone will pretend it was totally their own initiative and won’t condemn them (or maybe only formally)

They certainly have the international legal right to bomb airbases where Russians stage attacks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yep, we're falling into WW3.

Oh honey, WW3 has been fought by the Russians for years now. You just haven't been paying attention.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is an easy win-win here, and that is let the Russian populated parts go to Russia. Then they can have a clean break from Russia and go their own way. They will never be able to effectively govern these parts anyway.

They are Russian populated because Russia annexed them and expelled and killed the Ukrainians who were there.

'Why should genocide be rewarded?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is an easy win-win here, and that is let the Russian populated parts go to Russia. Then they can have a clean break from Russia and go their own way. They will never be able to effectively govern these parts anyway.

Russia had those parts and still invaded the entire country anyway.

They sort of had Crimea (Ukraine still claimed it), but not the Donbas.

Ukraine claimed it because it was part of Ukraine in th post USSR break up. This isn't hard, people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ukraine is getting the $$$$ - at the top- and American tax payer play da fool.

I don't like the US getting entangled in foreign wars. But time and time again we have sent our money to overseas locations - Iraq ring a bell? - because reasons. We feel we have strategic reasons for wanting to (fill in the blank). I think Putin wants to re establish the former USSR and apparently, our analysts don't think that would be a good idea. I hate that it costs us money but don't you think it's probably a good idea for us to NOT give Putin whatever he wants on a silver platter? What would you just shrug as he invades a sovereign country? What if he turns on another one next? He's killing innocent civilians, you think we should just shrug?

Without costing a US military life, the US and the world has managed to bring the Russians to their knees. Why is this bad? Don't we want to stop the bullies?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the narrative is shifting and soon it will be acceptable for Ukraine to bomb Russia. Everyone will pretend it was totally their own initiative and won’t condemn them (or maybe only formally)

They certainly have the international legal right to bomb airbases where Russians stage attacks.

This is why we should provide ATACMS. But with the proviso that if they hit anything other than a legitimate military target we will cut them off.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ukraine is getting the $$$$ - at the top- and American tax payer play da fool.

I don't like the US getting entangled in foreign wars. But time and time again we have sent our money to overseas locations - Iraq ring a bell? - because reasons. We feel we have strategic reasons for wanting to (fill in the blank). I think Putin wants to re establish the former USSR and apparently, our analysts don't think that would be a good idea. I hate that it costs us money but don't you think it's probably a good idea for us to NOT give Putin whatever he wants on a silver platter? What would you just shrug as he invades a sovereign country? What if he turns on another one next? He's killing innocent civilians, you think we should just shrug?

Without costing a US military life, the US and the world has managed to bring the Russians to their knees. Why is this bad? Don't we want to stop the bullies?

Thank you for confirming you only count the American dead, everyone else is just noise.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There is an easy win-win here, and that is let the Russian populated parts go to Russia. Then they can have a clean break from Russia and go their own way. They will never be able to effectively govern these parts anyway.

They are Russian populated because Russia annexed them and expelled and killed the Ukrainians who were there.

'Why should genocide be rewarded?

Nonsense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ukraine is getting the $$$$ - at the top- and American tax payer play da fool.

I don't like the US getting entangled in foreign wars. But time and time again we have sent our money to overseas locations - Iraq ring a bell? - because reasons. We feel we have strategic reasons for wanting to (fill in the blank). I think Putin wants to re establish the former USSR and apparently, our analysts don't think that would be a good idea. I hate that it costs us money but don't you think it's probably a good idea for us to NOT give Putin whatever he wants on a silver platter? What would you just shrug as he invades a sovereign country? What if he turns on another one next? He's killing innocent civilians, you think we should just shrug?

Without costing a US military life, the US and the world has managed to bring the Russians to their knees. Why is this bad? Don't we want to stop the bullies?

Well, there was that SEAL they are calling a "deserter."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ukraine is getting the $$$$ - at the top- and American tax payer play da fool.

I don't like the US getting entangled in foreign wars. But time and time again we have sent our money to overseas locations - Iraq ring a bell? - because reasons. We feel we have strategic reasons for wanting to (fill in the blank). I think Putin wants to re establish the former USSR and apparently, our analysts don't think that would be a good idea. I hate that it costs us money but don't you think it's probably a good idea for us to NOT give Putin whatever he wants on a silver platter? What would you just shrug as he invades a sovereign country? What if he turns on another one next? He's killing innocent civilians, you think we should just shrug?

Without costing a US military life, the US and the world has managed to bring the Russians to their knees. Why is this bad? Don't we want to stop the bullies?

Thank you for confirming you only count the American dead, everyone else is just noise.

??? Russia is one who can stop all of this killing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ukraine is getting the $$$$ - at the top- and American tax payer play da fool.

I don't like the US getting entangled in foreign wars. But time and time again we have sent our money to overseas locations - Iraq ring a bell? - because reasons. We feel we have strategic reasons for wanting to (fill in the blank). I think Putin wants to re establish the former USSR and apparently, our analysts don't think that would be a good idea. I hate that it costs us money but don't you think it's probably a good idea for us to NOT give Putin whatever he wants on a silver platter? What would you just shrug as he invades a sovereign country? What if he turns on another one next? He's killing innocent civilians, you think we should just shrug?

Without costing a US military life, the US and the world has managed to bring the Russians to their knees. Why is this bad? Don't we want to stop the bullies?

Thank you for confirming you only count the American dead, everyone else is just noise.

??? Russia is one who can stop all of this killing.

If Russia stopped fighting, the Ukraine would go right back to shelling civilians in the Donbas, like they did from 14-22.