Ukraine can win; but they have to be absolute bad guy

[Anonymous]

Keep calm, listen to Vindman, and Slava Ukraina

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I really don’t understand why it would be wrong for Ukraine to bomb Russia. How would that be the fault of Ukraine? Start a war, you might get bombed. Duh.

I don’t think people understand that Russia hasn’t really been trying.

They could grozny the entire country if they really wanted and no the west will not nuke moscow if moscow decides to nuke Kyiv

The Russians are way weaker than the west initially thought but now the opposite has happened

Too many in the west think the Russians weaker than they are.

And no, Russia hasn’t been trying to maximize body count In Ukraine because they haven’t brought out cbrn weapons like they did in Syria

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Anonymous wrote:About 6 months into the war; as Russia stalled - I recalled a Ukrainian officer stating that only after Ukraine marched on Moscow would this war be over. Seemed far fetched at the time.

But if you look at history, Russia has been invaded 3 times (Mongols, Napoleon and Hitler) in a major way. Sure Sweden and a few others took their shot but was not much.

As I rewind current history in my armchair quarterback luxury; Ukraine knows that they have one option, and they do not come out the good guy in anyones myopic view of current events.

1) Horde all western weapons, ask for more
2) Lie to their Western supporters as needed to support defense and economy and liberation of their country
3) Prepare for offense with no Western support
4) Occupy Russian western territory at high cost
5) Cede Russian territory to Russia; endure Russia's celebration of repelling NATO invasion
6) Eastern Ukiraine/Crimea become a DMZ

Ukraine will take a serious PR hit and be condemned for crossing the border and using western "defensive" weapons in Russia; but in reality that is their best play other than surrendering their land to Russia.

This is a surefire way of erasing Ukraine

FYI Hitler and napoleon failed

Zelensky is not the Golden Horde nor is he anywhere close to the former two

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Anonymous wrote:Ukraine is getting the $$$$ - at the top- and American tax payer play da fool.

I don't like the US getting entangled in foreign wars. But time and time again we have sent our money to overseas locations - Iraq ring a bell? - because reasons. We feel we have strategic reasons for wanting to (fill in the blank). I think Putin wants to re establish the former USSR and apparently, our analysts don't think that would be a good idea. I hate that it costs us money but don't you think it's probably a good idea for us to NOT give Putin whatever he wants on a silver platter? What would you just shrug as he invades a sovereign country? What if he turns on another one next? He's killing innocent civilians, you think we should just shrug?

Without costing a US military life, the US and the world has managed to bring the Russians to their knees. Why is this bad? Don't we want to stop the bullies?

Thank you for confirming you only count the American dead, everyone else is just noise.

If you want the true ideal End state that is desired but unspoken, it is for eastern euros to grind each other down to a pulp, the resources are taken by Western Europe with the USA overseeing their administration.

Once you understand this, it is easy to get the shape of the conflict.

Ukrainians and Russians dying is all upside. The key is to not boil the pot too quickly.

You want this to simmer for 30-40 years

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Anonymous wrote:I think at the first sign that Russia will use a nuclear weapon the West will abandon Ukraine. It is one thing to waste Ukrainian lives and line the pockets of military industrial complex CEOs, and a whole other thing to destroy Europe in totality.

strategically the optimal solution (if you believe in American unipolarity) is to boil the pot just enough that Russia uses a nuke in Ukraine

Why?

Because nuclear use is a redline for the Russia-China and Russia-India relationship.

Goading Putin into using a nuclear weapon in Ukraine is 100% worth it to poison the former two relationships…which is what the us really wants to break

Furthermore, Putin using a nuke in Ukraine will scare Western Europe into furthering being strategically dependent on the us

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Anonymous wrote:I don't give a sh*t about Ukraine's territory. I don't support American money and weaponry in Ukraine. Negotiate now. No more proxy war.

Why? Proxy war so far is net-positive for the us

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Vindman has been on the front lines- just follow his lead

All Jewish Americans should look a the bravery of vindman and zelensky and volunteer for Ukraine in the front lines

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Anonymous wrote:Vindman has been on the front lines- just follow his lead

Si Americans are fighting a war?
Or did he lose his clearance now that he fights for another country?

Huh? Visiting the front lines to see what's going on is not the same as picking up a rifle and joining in.

Img! American officer is on the front lines doing what???? How indoctrinated are you?

You sound very confused. And perhaps paranoid, to be yapping about "indoctrinated."

I am not confused. You clearly have no idea how clearances work. You serve your country, one country. So, if he is there all legally, he is serving the U.S., no? hence U.S. soldiers are fighting in the war in Ukraine.

No, him observing the fighting doesn't mean he's engaged in fighting.

Nations have been sending observers to wars for centuries.

[Anonymous]

TLDR all of this.. The most important thing IMHO is keeping us from getting involved in a bigger war, getting this to grow into WWIII on a massive scale (vs. proxy war), and finally, and most importantly, not being on a brink of a nuclear war, because nobody wins those. Other considerations are also bio warfare and cyber warfare that could plunge nations into the apocalyptic hellscape without even touching nuclear weapons. Bigger war must be stopped at all costs, anyone advocating otherwise, something must be wrong with your brain.

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Anonymous wrote:Nobody here understands that each minute we, yes, we, are not Winn this war, China is closer on moving to fully take back Taiwan. We are losing not just money but respect as a military power.

LOL and then people say, no, this is not a proxy war at all.

Despite so many threads here on how they and their offspring are gifted, majority of dcum is not educated past 10 minutes of cnn or Fox News per night. And that might be a huge overestimate.

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Anonymous wrote:I think at the first sign that Russia will use a nuclear weapon the West will abandon Ukraine. It is one thing to waste Ukrainian lives and line the pockets of military industrial complex CEOs, and a whole other thing to destroy Europe in totality.

strategically the optimal solution (if you believe in American unipolarity) is to boil the pot just enough that Russia uses a nuke in Ukraine

Why?

Because nuclear use is a redline for the Russia-China and Russia-India relationship.

Goading Putin into using a nuclear weapon in Ukraine is 100% worth it to poison the former two relationships…which is what the us really wants to break

Furthermore, Putin using a nuke in Ukraine will scare Western Europe into furthering being strategically dependent on the us

Wow, you sound so caring about human lives Nuclear weapon use in Ukraine will poison all adjacent countries. Do you suppose it will be just a milder version of Chernobyl? And you think we will come out of it unscathed? And why would Putin want to poison the well he wants to drink from? He would rather send the nukes right into your backyard and fry your a**

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Anonymous wrote:I don't give a sh*t about Ukraine's territory. I don't support American money and weaponry in Ukraine. Negotiate now. No more proxy war.

Why? Proxy war so far is net-positive for the us

Beyond the toll of human misery and death? Because the average regular joe in any country prefers and needs peace and stability.

Because war expands and increases the risk my son or my neighbors sons will be drafted. Because the US is dragging out what could have been negotiated and de-escalated. Because we are playing with the possibility of nuclear war and the annihilation of humanity. Because countries rise and fall but we only have 1 earth.

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Anonymous wrote:I think at the first sign that Russia will use a nuclear weapon the West will abandon Ukraine. It is one thing to waste Ukrainian lives and line the pockets of military industrial complex CEOs, and a whole other thing to destroy Europe in totality.

strategically the optimal solution (if you believe in American unipolarity) is to boil the pot just enough that Russia uses a nuke in Ukraine

Why?

Because nuclear use is a redline for the Russia-China and Russia-India relationship.

Goading Putin into using a nuclear weapon in Ukraine is 100% worth it to poison the former two relationships…which is what the us really wants to break

Furthermore, Putin using a nuke in Ukraine will scare Western Europe into furthering being strategically dependent on the us

Wow, you sound so caring about human lives Nuclear weapon use in Ukraine will poison all adjacent countries. Do you suppose it will be just a milder version of Chernobyl? And you think we will come out of it unscathed? And why would Putin want to poison the well he wants to drink from? He would rather send the nukes right into your backyard and fry your a**

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Not sure what made you think this is about Ukrainian lives

They are the wd40 used to lubricate this carefully constructed trap for the Russians to get ensnared in and damaged forever

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Anonymous wrote:I don't give a sh*t about Ukraine's territory. I don't support American money and weaponry in Ukraine. Negotiate now. No more proxy war.

Why? Proxy war so far is net-positive for the us

Beyond the toll of human misery and death? Because the average regular joe in any country prefers and needs peace and stability.

Because war expands and increases the risk my son or my neighbors sons will be drafted. Because the US is dragging out what could have been negotiated and de-escalated. Because we are playing with the possibility of nuclear war and the annihilation of humanity. Because countries rise and fall but we only have 1 earth.

You don't view Russia as a threat. But for those that agree Russia is a threat, they are diminished and degraded at a low cost to the US vs other options. And keeps those defense contractors busy and rich and happy to donate to any republican, democratic or independent that will help keep them on busy.

[Anonymous]

Business as usual? Manipulation and grist for the endless war machine?

I do see Russia as a threat. I am extremely concerned about WW3 and nuclear war. I want diplomacy.