Why are people more sympathetic to Lindsay Clancy than Andrea Yates? (Child death mentioned)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NP. I'm not sure what is meant by sympathetic or not sympathetic. Do you mean public sentiment and a GoFundMe? Or do you mean criminal charges? While there are usually no criminal charges when a parent distractedly kills their child in a hot carseat death or other unusual tragedy, murdering your children in the throes of PPD still leads to criminal charges. Most people think this is proper, whether they have sympathy for the mother or not.

I mean white mom Lindsay is a poor victim and black mom x is a murderous villain.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I'm not sure what is meant by sympathetic or not sympathetic. Do you mean public sentiment and a GoFundMe? Or do you mean criminal charges? While there are usually no criminal charges when a parent distractedly kills their child in a hot carseat death or other unusual tragedy, murdering your children in the throes of PPD still leads to criminal charges. Most people think this is proper, whether they have sympathy for the mother or not.

I mean white mom Lindsay is a poor victim and black mom x is a murderous villain.

I think you're overestimating the sympathy towards Clancy. Yes, we can see ourselves in her pre-murder life, and we can feel for her because we also experienced PPD and PPA. That doesn't excuse her from doing something unforgivable. She will rightfully go to prison or an institution. If she doesn't, there will be no sympathy and a lot of outrage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote: To those that are judging her horrible actions, we need to remember that she was out of her mind. This is not the act of a well or rational person. It's so sad and so tragic.

She killed 2 people seriously harmed another who ended up dying and herself in a relatively short period of time.

That's not a small act. Specifically the method she used to kill the kids. Toddlers are strong as heck they would have been fighting. Strangulation is a horrific way to go.

As a medical professional she would know this

She may have a mental illness but I'm not willing to mitigate what she did based on that alone

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote: To those that are judging her horrible actions, we need to remember that she was out of her mind. This is not the act of a well or rational person. It's so sad and so tragic.

She killed 2 people seriously harmed another who ended up dying and herself in a relatively short period of time.

That's not a small act. Specifically the method she used to kill the kids. Toddlers are strong as heck they would have been fighting. Strangulation is a horrific way to go.

As a medical professional she would know this

She may have a mental illness but I'm not willing to mitigate what she did based on that alone

But since you are neither God nor a prosecutor, it absolutely does not matter what you will "mitigate."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote: To those that are judging her horrible actions, we need to remember that she was out of her mind. This is not the act of a well or rational person. It's so sad and so tragic.

She killed 2 people seriously harmed another who ended up dying and herself in a relatively short period of time.

That's not a small act. Specifically the method she used to kill the kids. Toddlers are strong as heck they would have been fighting. Strangulation is a horrific way to go.

As a medical professional she would know this

She may have a mental illness but I'm not willing to mitigate what she did based on that alone

This is the ideal juror for the prosecutors if the case goes to trial..

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Andrea Yates became a more sympathetic figure over time, as more details came out about her husband and there was increased public awareness about PPP. I don't recall any outrage whatsoever about the verdict at her second trial. It's probably because of the groundwork her case laid that Clancy is being treated more sympathetically from the off.

I can be both horrified by what happened to the Yates children and sympathetic to Andrea Yates. She was completely out of her mind. And to be restored to her mind, she then had to come to grips with what she'd done while out of it, which sounds like an unspeakable hell. Apparently she refuses to be reviewed for release from the mental hospital every year even though she might be eligible at this point.

What a saint. 🙄🙄

I have no sympathy for these murderers. I know plenty of less-affluent women with the same (if not more) mental struggles, and they managed to not kill their children.

I also doubt you all would give them such a pass anyway.

I’ll save my sympathy for the dead children and the less-sympathetic mothers out there.

You have no idea what mental struggles Clancy was facing. Your comment about “less-affluent” women having greater mental stress than Clancy suggests you think that affluent women can’t / don’t have legitimate mental illness. Mental illness doesn’t discriminate, but dismissible attitudes like yours may make it harder for a very sick affluent woman to be taken seriously.

They have the resources that less affluent (and less sympathetic) women don’t have. Yet, they get all the sympathy.

Please.

Show me a less-affluent PPD-suffering Black women who got the same level of forgiveness and sympathy that these white women get………..

Yep. And her black husband raising $600k in 4 days? Yeah right.

This is a good point.

But a more important one would be - why is there a $600K GoFundMe needed by the DH anyway. What exactly is this rich, whit ripper middle class dad need this money for? Therapy - he has insurance; Burial costs - savings or credit and other wealthy family members

The situation is horrible. And I have to wonder why they decided on more children when clearly there were issues after the first two.

Too often in these cases the situation is portrayed as the person had a mental illness and then got over it. But generally speaking that’s not how it works. It’s not a single episode but a lifetime issue that needs to be addressed and like other diseases ebbs and flows as to the severity.

Doctors need to do a better job counseling women during pregnancy and after about the fact that mental health issues needed to be taken into account and just like having a birth plan there needs to be a mental health plan in place. For families where either parent has mental health issues those need to take precedence when providing care and if that means for example counseling a woman to forgo breastfeeding to provide a bottle so that she can get adequate rest/and or her spouse can or if it means encouraging the parents to get night time care, then so be it. A mentally stable parent usurps breastfeeding in terms of long term outcomes for a child.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote: To those that are judging her horrible actions, we need to remember that she was out of her mind. This is not the act of a well or rational person. It's so sad and so tragic.

She killed 2 people seriously harmed another who ended up dying and herself in a relatively short period of time.

That's not a small act. Specifically the method she used to kill the kids. Toddlers are strong as heck they would have been fighting. Strangulation is a horrific way to go.

As a medical professional she would know this

She may have a mental illness but I'm not willing to mitigate what she did based on that alone

But since you are neither God nor a prosecutor, it absolutely does not matter what you will "mitigate."

DP. This is a discussion forum, none of us are God but we all have opinions. Not sure why you are attacking PP?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I'm not sure what is meant by sympathetic or not sympathetic. Do you mean public sentiment and a GoFundMe? Or do you mean criminal charges? While there are usually no criminal charges when a parent distractedly kills their child in a hot carseat death or other unusual tragedy, murdering your children in the throes of PPD still leads to criminal charges. Most people think this is proper, whether they have sympathy for the mother or not.

I mean white mom Lindsay is a poor victim and black mom x is a murderous villain.

I think you're overestimating the sympathy towards Clancy. Yes, we can see ourselves in her pre-murder life, and we can feel for her because we also experienced PPD and PPA. That doesn't excuse her from doing something unforgivable. She will rightfully go to prison or an institution. If she doesn't, there will be no sympathy and a lot of outrage.

I am white, and I would like to see all women get more support. I think single Black mom's deserve more support than anyone

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote: To those that are judging her horrible actions, we need to remember that she was out of her mind. This is not the act of a well or rational person. It's so sad and so tragic.

She killed 2 people seriously harmed another who ended up dying and herself in a relatively short period of time.

That's not a small act. Specifically the method she used to kill the kids. Toddlers are strong as heck they would have been fighting. Strangulation is a horrific way to go.

As a medical professional she would know this

She may have a mental illness but I'm not willing to mitigate what she did based on that alone

But since you are neither God nor a prosecutor, it absolutely does not matter what you will "mitigate."

And neither are you yet you have absolved her. Largely because she looks like you

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I'm not sure what is meant by sympathetic or not sympathetic. Do you mean public sentiment and a GoFundMe? Or do you mean criminal charges? While there are usually no criminal charges when a parent distractedly kills their child in a hot carseat death or other unusual tragedy, murdering your children in the throes of PPD still leads to criminal charges. Most people think this is proper, whether they have sympathy for the mother or not.

I mean white mom Lindsay is a poor victim and black mom x is a murderous villain.

I think you're overestimating the sympathy towards Clancy. Yes, we can see ourselves in her pre-murder life, and we can feel for her because we also experienced PPD and PPA. That doesn't excuse her from doing something unforgivable. She will rightfully go to prison or an institution. If she doesn't, there will be no sympathy and a lot of outrage.

I am white, and I would like to see all women get more support. I think single Black mom's deserve more support than anyone

If anything " good" can come from this I hope it highlights the need for better postpartum care for all women

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I'm not sure what is meant by sympathetic or not sympathetic. Do you mean public sentiment and a GoFundMe? Or do you mean criminal charges? While there are usually no criminal charges when a parent distractedly kills their child in a hot carseat death or other unusual tragedy, murdering your children in the throes of PPD still leads to criminal charges. Most people think this is proper, whether they have sympathy for the mother or not.

I mean white mom Lindsay is a poor victim and black mom x is a murderous villain.

I think you're overestimating the sympathy towards Clancy. Yes, we can see ourselves in her pre-murder life, and we can feel for her because we also experienced PPD and PPA. That doesn't excuse her from doing something unforgivable. She will rightfully go to prison or an institution. If she doesn't, there will be no sympathy and a lot of outrage.

I am white, and I would like to see all women get more support. I think single Black mom's deserve more support than anyone

If anything " good" can come from this I hope it highlights the need for better postpartum care for all women

Exactly. Women need a village

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote: To those that are judging her horrible actions, we need to remember that she was out of her mind. This is not the act of a well or rational person. It's so sad and so tragic.

She killed 2 people seriously harmed another who ended up dying and herself in a relatively short period of time.

That's not a small act. Specifically the method she used to kill the kids. Toddlers are strong as heck they would have been fighting. Strangulation is a horrific way to go.

As a medical professional she would know this

She may have a mental illness but I'm not willing to mitigate what she did based on that alone

But since you are neither God nor a prosecutor, it absolutely does not matter what you will "mitigate."

This is an open forum and everyone is free to express their opinions unless the moderator deletes them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I'm not sure what is meant by sympathetic or not sympathetic. Do you mean public sentiment and a GoFundMe? Or do you mean criminal charges? While there are usually no criminal charges when a parent distractedly kills their child in a hot carseat death or other unusual tragedy, murdering your children in the throes of PPD still leads to criminal charges. Most people think this is proper, whether they have sympathy for the mother or not.

I mean white mom Lindsay is a poor victim and black mom x is a murderous villain.

I think you're overestimating the sympathy towards Clancy. Yes, we can see ourselves in her pre-murder life, and we can feel for her because we also experienced PPD and PPA. That doesn't excuse her from doing something unforgivable. She will rightfully go to prison or an institution. If she doesn't, there will be no sympathy and a lot of outrage.

I am white, and I would like to see all women get more support. I think single Black mom's deserve more support than anyone

If anything " good" can come from this I hope it highlights the need for better postpartum care for all women

Other than in-patient care (which she could have refused) what more are you looking for? Clancy was already in a 5-day a week outpatient therapy program. That is more than most people suffering from mental health issues can access.

[Anonymous]

It’s stories like this (and countless others) why I no longer believe there is a God. Or if there is some higher being, he not benevolent nor merciful. Same with family annihilators, abuse victims, etc.

This poor family was just going along, minding their business, then bam!

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Anonymous wrote:NP. I'm not sure what is meant by sympathetic or not sympathetic. Do you mean public sentiment and a GoFundMe? Or do you mean criminal charges? While there are usually no criminal charges when a parent distractedly kills their child in a hot carseat death or other unusual tragedy, murdering your children in the throes of PPD still leads to criminal charges. Most people think this is proper, whether they have sympathy for the mother or not.

I mean white mom Lindsay is a poor victim and black mom x is a murderous villain.

I think you're overestimating the sympathy towards Clancy. Yes, we can see ourselves in her pre-murder life, and we can feel for her because we also experienced PPD and PPA. That doesn't excuse her from doing something unforgivable. She will rightfully go to prison or an institution. If she doesn't, there will be no sympathy and a lot of outrage.

I am white, and I would like to see all women get more support. I think single Black mom's deserve more support than anyone

If anything " good" can come from this I hope it highlights the need for better postpartum care for all women

Other than in-patient care (which she could have refused) what more are you looking for? Clancy was already in a 5-day a week outpatient therapy program. That is more than most people suffering from mental health issues can access.

Look, I think she should get the death penalty. It's the only way anyone can move on.