Not to mention no qualified trauma doctor would want to do that job. |
Thanks for the kind words. He has a podcast that is very well done as well. Not trying to advertise this during this time at all, but his podcast is a great way to get to know more of him. He may have some controversial opinions, but he is a good man. I can attest to that. https://instagram.com/thepivot?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y= |
Agreed. They did have his stats up, multiple times and way earlier than 2 hours. If they had done anything you mentioned it would have been horribly inappropriate and done for "ratings." As it was, they weren't trying to entertain you, or even be informative. My impression is they were trying to get information on the condition of the player - that's it. The rest was filler because it WAS filler. There was no "perspective of the story" need. Full stop. That poster is as bad as the NFL-is-a-business-they-should-have-played poster. |
Yeah, I think the PP was expecting them to behave the way cable news does with whatever the sensational story of the day is, like with car chases or political scandals or whatever, where they immediately call in "experts" and produce content that will capitalize off the news and draw eyeballs and ad revenue. PP is missing that this is not a broadcast designed to cover "breaking news" and these people were not really detached from what was happening on field in the same way a TV talking head or journalist might be. They were there to cover the fun and exciting football game that night, not to report on the condition and background of a 24 year old football player who had suffered a catastrophic medical event. Their response was honest and emotional. I don't really have an opinion as to whether they did a "good job" or not -- I think it's weird to expect people in that situation to do a good job. I mostly felt terrible for them and we turned off the broadcast because there was no good option -- watch shellshocked commentators try to piece together what was going on and come up with something to say, or watch commercials. It all felt terrible. I have nothing but empathy for how the people covering the game reacted because I felt the same way, but with the advantage of being able to simply turn it off. |
But would you know how to use it? |
Exactly. Not to compare the two, but it’s not unlike covering breaking news like 9/11. Add to that these are sports analysts, not journalists. Same with the producers, they’re sports/entertainment producers, not hardcore news producers. |
Ryan Clark said as such. He literally said "we weren't prepared to talk about any of this. We came prepared to discuss football." I finally watched his commentary, and it was so well said. Because it was from his heart. |
If by “down” you mean period without adequate oxygenation of his brain, it’s hard to tell from what I have read. I thought I read that he was cardioverted on the field, but the last nyt article I read didn’t mention being shocked, only that he received cpr for 9-10 min. That could sound as if he needed cpr for 9-10 min because he didn’t have an organized heart rhythm, but it’s also possible that he got cpr after he was cardioverted. You are supposed to resume cpr even after a successful shock, so best case scenario is that he got cpr while they were attaching the aed, got shocked back to sinus (normal) rhythm , and then cpr was resumed as recommended. If that was the case, then he was “down” for only a few minutes, which is much better than 9-10 min. I really hope that the best case scenario is true. Impossible to assume anything right now. |
I think that is what happened. He was hooked up to oxygen before being put in the ambulance on the field, and I don't think they would have done that unless he'd already been shocked and had cpr. Also, even if the on-field medics didn't have an aed (which I really think they do, and would have administered as soon as they checked his pulse if they could get one), there is definitely an aed in the ambulance, which was on the field within a few minutes. And again, they would not put him on oxygen for transport until AFTER administering the aed. As awful as all of this is, it would have been very hard for him to get any better medical care and treatment, and that matters. I hope it was enough. |
I thought I read that nfl protocol is to have an aed with the trainers, ready to go. The ambulance would have had a standard defibrillator, one that the user controls. The aed is great, but emts and medical professionals trained in acls (advanced cardiac life support) are able to run a code and decide all the things that the aed automates - shock strength, which rhythm to shock etc. They also push meds depending on the situation. It’s faster for a professional to read the rhythm and shock without waiting for the aed. In the old days, we were taught “abc’s” - airway, breathing and circulation, but these days it’s more like “cab” - circulation comes first. That is why they say don’t bother with rescue breaths but do vigorous chest compressions and don’t stop to check a pulse or for breathing, just do those compressions. I haven’t watched a medical drama in a long time, but I wonder if they have changed it on tv. Most people’s knowledge of cpr and defibrillation comes from tv/movies (fortunately!) |
The NFL said his hearbeat was restored on the field. "Damar Hamlin suffered a cardiac arrest following a hit in the Buffalo Bills' game versus the Cincinnati Bengals. His heartbeat was restored on the field and he was transferred to the University of Cincinnati Medical Center for further testing and treatment. He is currently sedated and listed in critical condition." |
They absolutely had to have an AED there, it’s a basic at all professional sports. You’d be surprised all the places that have them. Even small businesses often have one and they are easy to operate. |
Yes, I'm the PP -- I absolutely think the trainers and on-field medics had an AED and it was likely administered within minutes of him collapsing, with CPR administered both before and after, until they could get the ambulance on the field and put him on oxygen for transport. I was just pointing out to the previous poster who was unsure whether he had received shocks on the field that even if for some reason they didn't have an AED on hand, the ambulance would have had equipment to restart his heart, and all of that unfolded pretty quickly. |
As I said to some friends last night - with the number of well qualified medical personnel on site for each game, plus required AEDs and other equipment, and an ambulance on standby, outside of a hospital there probably isn’t much better of a place to suffer a cardiac event than a professional sporting event |