Will Ozempic and other drugs like it eliminate obesity?

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Anonymous wrote:All these folks can keep being on their moral high whatever, and I'm gonna keep taking my shot. I'll

worrry about gains when the that tome comes. But for now, the food noise is gone, and I'm maintaining the weight loss. But it's still killing me that no one makes these same arguments about pharmaceuticals for other ailments.

What is the deal? Why are some of you so concerned about how fat people lose or not lose weight?

I feel glorious when I see number on the scale drop lower and lower and I don't have to $hitz but live my life like normal people. No constant food cravings, no bad foods, I can eat whatever I want within moderation. No food is bad. I love it.

So all these naysayers, keep talking, while us folks taking these meds reap the benefits and hopefully great health.

It’s pretty funny. They thought they could shame us out of being fat, and now they think they can shame us out of taking the medicine that makes us lose weight.

The truth is that they don’t like that we can become thin and be like them without misery. They were okay with weight loss surgery (although they still called it the easy way out). It leaves scars and requires forever sacrifice of a proper functioning stomach. It changes your eating permanently. Those terms were acceptable for them, an adequate punishment for our former obesity. Ozempic and similar are too painless and we don’t deserve to lose weight painlessly.

Stating the cause of obesity for most people is not fat shaming. If you are the exception, then disregard. If you showed this thread to someone from another country, their head would explode.

I am from "another country" and obesity here is rising, too. It's not at the US levels yet but it's much more prevalent than it used to be. Oh, people have heard of Ozempic, and are using it.

Yup. Obesity is on the rise all over the globe. No one’s head would explode, even in middle income countries. It’s an incredibly familiar problem, in Europe, in Asia, everywhere.

The numbers aren't very high in most of Africa and Asia. Maybe their genetics are changing at a slower rate than the rest of the world.

The bolded is flatly wrong. Look up the numbers.

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Anonymous wrote:All these folks can keep being on their moral high whatever, and I'm gonna keep taking my shot. I'll

worrry about gains when the that tome comes. But for now, the food noise is gone, and I'm maintaining the weight loss. But it's still killing me that no one makes these same arguments about pharmaceuticals for other ailments.

What is the deal? Why are some of you so concerned about how fat people lose or not lose weight?

I feel glorious when I see number on the scale drop lower and lower and I don't have to $hitz but live my life like normal people. No constant food cravings, no bad foods, I can eat whatever I want within moderation. No food is bad. I love it.

So all these naysayers, keep talking, while us folks taking these meds reap the benefits and hopefully great health.

It’s pretty funny. They thought they could shame us out of being fat, and now they think they can shame us out of taking the medicine that makes us lose weight.

The truth is that they don’t like that we can become thin and be like them without misery. They were okay with weight loss surgery (although they still called it the easy way out). It leaves scars and requires forever sacrifice of a proper functioning stomach. It changes your eating permanently. Those terms were acceptable for them, an adequate punishment for our former obesity. Ozempic and similar are too painless and we don’t deserve to lose weight painlessly.

Stating the cause of obesity for most people is not fat shaming. If you are the exception, then disregard. If you showed this thread to someone from another country, their head would explode.

I am from "another country" and obesity here is rising, too. It's not at the US levels yet but it's much more prevalent than it used to be. Oh, people have heard of Ozempic, and are using it.

Yup. Obesity is on the rise all over the globe. No one’s head would explode, even in middle income countries. It’s an incredibly familiar problem, in Europe, in Asia, everywhere.

The numbers aren't very high in most of Africa and Asia. Maybe their genetics are changing at a slower rate than the rest of the world.

The bolded is flatly wrong. Look up the numbers.

You are wrong. Are you another one of the posters who is in denial?

The next thing you know, Americans are going to say that lazy people have some type of chemical imbalance that causes them to be lazy.

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Anonymous wrote:No because our grocery stores are filled with “food” that is loaded with chemicals and preservatives that destroy peoples gut health. And because for many overeating and obesity are symptomatic of greater issues that diet itself cannot resolve.

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This is reality. I wonder how the Pharm. D lol poster would explain the obesity rate in US tripling over the last 50 years. I'm sure there is newly discovered ailment responsible for the increase lmao

It's just insane that you are labeled a fat shamer if you point out that most people are obese because they fail to change their diet and exercise habits.

It’s not so much that you are a fat shaker. It’s just that you are extremely ignorant.

Please take responsibility for your health instead of looking for quick fixes. Some people are mentally stronger and more disciplined than others, so YMMV.

No thanks. I’m going to continue taking Ozempic. And I’m on Medicaid—so thank you specifically, taxpayer, for footing the bill!!

Good for you!

I am absolutely delighted at how angry you make the slavering dimwits on this thread, by the way. It is wonderful to see. Keep living your best life!

You are making personal attacks because you are angry and you know that your posts generally lack any type of substance. You are not a victim of "fat shamers." Several people disagree with you and that is fine. If Ozempic helps you lose weight, that's awesome.

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Anonymous wrote:No because our grocery stores are filled with “food” that is loaded with chemicals and preservatives that destroy peoples gut health. And because for many overeating and obesity are symptomatic of greater issues that diet itself cannot resolve.

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This is reality. I wonder how the Pharm. D lol poster would explain the obesity rate in US tripling over the last 50 years. I'm sure there is newly discovered ailment responsible for the increase lmao

It's just insane that you are labeled a fat shamer if you point out that most people are obese because they fail to change their diet and exercise habits.

It’s not so much that you are a fat shaker. It’s just that you are extremely ignorant.

Please take responsibility for your health instead of looking for quick fixes. Some people are mentally stronger and more disciplined than others, so YMMV.

No thanks. I’m going to continue taking Ozempic. And I’m on Medicaid—so thank you specifically, taxpayer, for footing the bill!!

Good for you!

I am absolutely delighted at how angry you make the slavering dimwits on this thread, by the way. It is wonderful to see. Keep living your best life!

You are making personal attacks because you are angry and you know that your posts generally lack any type of substance. You are not a victim of "fat shamers." Several people disagree with you and that is fine. If Ozempic helps you lose weight, that's awesome.

I’m not obese and I’m not taking Ozempic. I am not a victim of fat shaming directly (it’s not directed at me), although I am indirectly a victim of fat shaming because I think fat shamers make the world more stupid and do real harm to good people.

I do like the PP who is taking Ozempic because she is doing great things for her health and because she is making people like you so angry in the process. I think her posts in this thread have been delightful, and I’m truly happy for her. I’m sure that makes you furious, but you’re already mad at the PP for just existing so a little more anger from you isn’t going to change anything.

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Anonymous wrote:All these folks can keep being on their moral high whatever, and I'm gonna keep taking my shot. I'll

worrry about gains when the that tome comes. But for now, the food noise is gone, and I'm maintaining the weight loss. But it's still killing me that no one makes these same arguments about pharmaceuticals for other ailments.

What is the deal? Why are some of you so concerned about how fat people lose or not lose weight?

I feel glorious when I see number on the scale drop lower and lower and I don't have to $hitz but live my life like normal people. No constant food cravings, no bad foods, I can eat whatever I want within moderation. No food is bad. I love it.

So all these naysayers, keep talking, while us folks taking these meds reap the benefits and hopefully great health.

It’s pretty funny. They thought they could shame us out of being fat, and now they think they can shame us out of taking the medicine that makes us lose weight.

The truth is that they don’t like that we can become thin and be like them without misery. They were okay with weight loss surgery (although they still called it the easy way out). It leaves scars and requires forever sacrifice of a proper functioning stomach. It changes your eating permanently. Those terms were acceptable for them, an adequate punishment for our former obesity. Ozempic and similar are too painless and we don’t deserve to lose weight painlessly.

NP. The bolded is so insightful, and a very accurate summation of what’s going on with some of the angry posters lashing out at Ozempic users in this thread. Really thoughtfully observed. It is also interesting because I suspect a good number of those posters probably take antidepressants or some sort of pharmacological intervention for mood and mental health (or dear God, they really clearly need it).

I’m not obese, but I could not be more delighted that there is a medical treatment for obesity that is reasonably well-understood and seems to have years of data behind it. It’s about time.

Oh come on, now. I am a PP who posted that I am not obese/overweight but I am glad these drugs exist and I am truly happy that people who need to lose weight for their health are able to do it with these new treatments when other efforts have not worked for them.

However, I still think we need to encourage people to eat healthy and move more - it's basic common sense! Maybe some believe there is a fine line between fat shaming and nutrition advice, but we cannot give up trying. The message cannot become, "don't bother trying lifestyle changes, all the forces are against you, drugs are the only thing that work." That would be incredibly damaging!

The drugs seem to be a miracle for those who really need them but they should be a last resort and should not be used to compensate for a bad diet, or to treat vanity pounds like celebs are doing.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s ironic how those who always said d it’s a moral/mental failing to be fat are now faced with a physiological treatment/cure refuse to acknowledge that indicates it’s primarily a physiological/genetic predisposition.

It isn’t moral. But it is discipline. No one absolutely has to overeat unless they take drugs

Their natural brain chemistry is the “drug”

It isn’t fentanyl. No one is going through DTs if they skip McDonalds or stop at one scoop of ice cream.

It’s actually quite east to maintain obesity on brown rice, broccoli, and grilled chicken. You clearly know nothing about it which is why you default to lazy tropes.

Ok, but you can’t GET obese on this plus not overeating

Well yes but people who are disposed to obesity are disposed to overeating whatever it is that they are eating. My obese sister will eat the entire serving bowl of roasted broccoli when she’s at my house. And she’s been that way since she was a kid. It’s not McDonald’s, it’s not ice cream, it’s something in her biology.

Maybe it is in HER biology. That doesn't explain the ever increasing obesity rate.

Considering both parents are slim, and she’s part of a global trend, I am thinking there’s something going on with biology on a mass scale.

Exactly. Couldn't possibly be lifestyle related.

You’re creating a false dichotomy. I completely believe that increased weight is due to increased calorie consumption. But people’s calorie consumption is mostly a product of their biology and “calorie compensation,” I.e. eating what your biology is urging you to eat. It’s not that it isn’t “lifestyle” or a consequence of calorie consumption. It’s that this isn’t a moral failing, it isn’t ice cream, it isn’t McDonald’s, it isn’t laziness. It’s something changed in people’s biological urges on a mass scale.

Biology hasn’t changed. Humans have always craved high calorie foods. We just never had the unfettered access to them like we do now. So yes it is lifestyle related if you are choosing to buy and eat those foods and to overindulge. There are other options. Yes it is a choice to continue to overeat and overindulge year after year and 10 lbs after 10 Lbs after 10 lbs, until you find yourself 100 lbs overweight then say oh sh*t, I need to do something different

We have had unfettered access much longer than we have had obesity on the rise. I don’t know why it’s so important for you to believe that it’s because people are choosing to eat garbage, that you refuse to internalize the data.

I see what people buy in stores, eat in restaurants, order at take, cook in their homes. It is huge portions of garbage. I don’t get why you need to tiptoe around this. It is a choice to eat that way. Majority of people that are obese got that way from overeating eating and/or eating garbage foods for years and years. Weight accumulates over time, giving people ample time and opportunity to change what and how much they are eating before they get obese. But people generally chose not to care or put in the work or discipline until it becomes a big issue

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Anonymous wrote:It’s ironic how those who always said d it’s a moral/mental failing to be fat are now faced with a physiological treatment/cure refuse to acknowledge that indicates it’s primarily a physiological/genetic predisposition.

It isn’t moral. But it is discipline. No one absolutely has to overeat unless they take drugs

Their natural brain chemistry is the “drug”

It isn’t fentanyl. No one is going through DTs if they skip McDonalds or stop at one scoop of ice cream.

It’s actually quite east to maintain obesity on brown rice, broccoli, and grilled chicken. You clearly know nothing about it which is why you default to lazy tropes.

Ok, but you can’t GET obese on this plus not overeating

Well yes but people who are disposed to obesity are disposed to overeating whatever it is that they are eating. My obese sister will eat the entire serving bowl of roasted broccoli when she’s at my house. And she’s been that way since she was a kid. It’s not McDonald’s, it’s not ice cream, it’s something in her biology.

Maybe it is in HER biology. That doesn't explain the ever increasing obesity rate.

Considering both parents are slim, and she’s part of a global trend, I am thinking there’s something going on with biology on a mass scale.

Exactly. Couldn't possibly be lifestyle related.

You’re creating a false dichotomy. I completely believe that increased weight is due to increased calorie consumption. But people’s calorie consumption is mostly a product of their biology and “calorie compensation,” I.e. eating what your biology is urging you to eat. It’s not that it isn’t “lifestyle” or a consequence of calorie consumption. It’s that this isn’t a moral failing, it isn’t ice cream, it isn’t McDonald’s, it isn’t laziness. It’s something changed in people’s biological urges on a mass scale.

Biology hasn’t changed. Humans have always craved high calorie foods. We just never had the unfettered access to them like we do now. So yes it is lifestyle related if you are choosing to buy and eat those foods and to overindulge. There are other options. Yes it is a choice to continue to overeat and overindulge year after year and 10 lbs after 10 Lbs after 10 lbs, until you find yourself 100 lbs overweight then say oh sh*t, I need to do something different

We have had unfettered access much longer than we have had obesity on the rise. I don’t know why it’s so important for you to believe that it’s because people are choosing to eat garbage, that you refuse to internalize the data.

I see what people buy in stores, eat in restaurants, order at take, cook in their homes. It is huge portions of garbage. I don’t get why you need to tiptoe around this. It is a choice to eat that way. Majority of people that are obese got that way from overeating eating and/or eating garbage foods for years and years. Weight accumulates over time, giving people ample time and opportunity to change what and how much they are eating before they get obese. But people generally chose not to care or put in the work or discipline until it becomes a big issue

Hmm that’s weird. Are you poor? Because the people I live around shop at Whole Foods and eat balanced meals full of fresh produce.

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Anonymous wrote:All these folks can keep being on their moral high whatever, and I'm gonna keep taking my shot. I'll

worrry about gains when the that tome comes. But for now, the food noise is gone, and I'm maintaining the weight loss. But it's still killing me that no one makes these same arguments about pharmaceuticals for other ailments.

What is the deal? Why are some of you so concerned about how fat people lose or not lose weight?

I feel glorious when I see number on the scale drop lower and lower and I don't have to $hitz but live my life like normal people. No constant food cravings, no bad foods, I can eat whatever I want within moderation. No food is bad. I love it.

So all these naysayers, keep talking, while us folks taking these meds reap the benefits and hopefully great health.

It’s pretty funny. They thought they could shame us out of being fat, and now they think they can shame us out of taking the medicine that makes us lose weight.

The truth is that they don’t like that we can become thin and be like them without misery. They were okay with weight loss surgery (although they still called it the easy way out). It leaves scars and requires forever sacrifice of a proper functioning stomach. It changes your eating permanently. Those terms were acceptable for them, an adequate punishment for our former obesity. Ozempic and similar are too painless and we don’t deserve to lose weight painlessly.

NP. The bolded is so insightful, and a very accurate summation of what’s going on with some of the angry posters lashing out at Ozempic users in this thread. Really thoughtfully observed. It is also interesting because I suspect a good number of those posters probably take antidepressants or some sort of pharmacological intervention for mood and mental health (or dear God, they really clearly need it).

I’m not obese, but I could not be more delighted that there is a medical treatment for obesity that is reasonably well-understood and seems to have years of data behind it. It’s about time.

Oh come on, now. I am a PP who posted that I am not obese/overweight but I am glad these drugs exist and I am truly happy that people who need to lose weight for their health are able to do it with these new treatments when other efforts have not worked for them.

However, I still think we need to encourage people to eat healthy and move more - it's basic common sense! Maybe some believe there is a fine line between fat shaming and nutrition advice, but we cannot give up trying. The message cannot become, "don't bother trying lifestyle changes, all the forces are against you, drugs are the only thing that work." That would be incredibly damaging!

The drugs seem to be a miracle for those who really need them but they should be a last resort and should not be used to compensate for a bad diet, or to treat vanity pounds like celebs are doing.

There have been years and years of taking the approach of encouraging people to eat healthy and move more to try to address obesity. Literally billions of dollars have been poured into the effort over fifty or sixty years. But the evidence does not lie: as a medical approach, that’s a colossal failure.

Why on earth do you think there is literally any evidence to support your approach? You seem to wish that just telling people what to do would work, but wishful thinking is not a reasonable approach to public health.

Give me solid evidence—I will take any evidence—that telling people to “eat healthy and move more” has had any appreciable impact whatsoever in preventing obesity over the long-term and across societal groups.

Why do you cling to myths? Why can’t you face reality?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All these folks can keep being on their moral high whatever, and I'm gonna keep taking my shot. I'll

worrry about gains when the that tome comes. But for now, the food noise is gone, and I'm maintaining the weight loss. But it's still killing me that no one makes these same arguments about pharmaceuticals for other ailments.

What is the deal? Why are some of you so concerned about how fat people lose or not lose weight?

I feel glorious when I see number on the scale drop lower and lower and I don't have to $hitz but live my life like normal people. No constant food cravings, no bad foods, I can eat whatever I want within moderation. No food is bad. I love it.

So all these naysayers, keep talking, while us folks taking these meds reap the benefits and hopefully great health.

It’s pretty funny. They thought they could shame us out of being fat, and now they think they can shame us out of taking the medicine that makes us lose weight.

The truth is that they don’t like that we can become thin and be like them without misery. They were okay with weight loss surgery (although they still called it the easy way out). It leaves scars and requires forever sacrifice of a proper functioning stomach. It changes your eating permanently. Those terms were acceptable for them, an adequate punishment for our former obesity. Ozempic and similar are too painless and we don’t deserve to lose weight painlessly.

NP. The bolded is so insightful, and a very accurate summation of what’s going on with some of the angry posters lashing out at Ozempic users in this thread. Really thoughtfully observed. It is also interesting because I suspect a good number of those posters probably take antidepressants or some sort of pharmacological intervention for mood and mental health (or dear God, they really clearly need it).

I’m not obese, but I could not be more delighted that there is a medical treatment for obesity that is reasonably well-understood and seems to have years of data behind it. It’s about time.

Oh come on, now. I am a PP who posted that I am not obese/overweight but I am glad these drugs exist and I am truly happy that people who need to lose weight for their health are able to do it with these new treatments when other efforts have not worked for them.

However, I still think we need to encourage people to eat healthy and move more - it's basic common sense! Maybe some believe there is a fine line between fat shaming and nutrition advice, but we cannot give up trying. The message cannot become, "don't bother trying lifestyle changes, all the forces are against you, drugs are the only thing that work." That would be incredibly damaging!

The drugs seem to be a miracle for those who really need them but they should be a last resort and should not be used to compensate for a bad diet, or to treat vanity pounds like celebs are doing.

There have been years and years of taking the approach of encouraging people to eat healthy and move more to try to address obesity. Literally billions of dollars have been poured into the effort over fifty or sixty years. But the evidence does not lie: as a medical approach, that’s a colossal failure.

Why on earth do you think there is literally any evidence to support your approach? You seem to wish that just telling people what to do would work, but wishful thinking is not a reasonable approach to public health.

Give me solid evidence—I will take any evidence—that telling people to “eat healthy and move more” has had any appreciable impact whatsoever in preventing obesity over the long-term and across societal groups.

Why do you cling to myths? Why can’t you face reality?

Probably because telling people to “fix their lifestyle” feels good to PP and it’s not about actually improving anyone’s life. Just a guess!

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Anonymous wrote:It’s ironic how those who always said d it’s a moral/mental failing to be fat are now faced with a physiological treatment/cure refuse to acknowledge that indicates it’s primarily a physiological/genetic predisposition.

It isn’t moral. But it is discipline. No one absolutely has to overeat unless they take drugs

Their natural brain chemistry is the “drug”

It isn’t fentanyl. No one is going through DTs if they skip McDonalds or stop at one scoop of ice cream.

It’s actually quite east to maintain obesity on brown rice, broccoli, and grilled chicken. You clearly know nothing about it which is why you default to lazy tropes.

Ok, but you can’t GET obese on this plus not overeating

Well yes but people who are disposed to obesity are disposed to overeating whatever it is that they are eating. My obese sister will eat the entire serving bowl of roasted broccoli when she’s at my house. And she’s been that way since she was a kid. It’s not McDonald’s, it’s not ice cream, it’s something in her biology.

Maybe it is in HER biology. That doesn't explain the ever increasing obesity rate.

Considering both parents are slim, and she’s part of a global trend, I am thinking there’s something going on with biology on a mass scale.

Exactly. Couldn't possibly be lifestyle related.

You’re creating a false dichotomy. I completely believe that increased weight is due to increased calorie consumption. But people’s calorie consumption is mostly a product of their biology and “calorie compensation,” I.e. eating what your biology is urging you to eat. It’s not that it isn’t “lifestyle” or a consequence of calorie consumption. It’s that this isn’t a moral failing, it isn’t ice cream, it isn’t McDonald’s, it isn’t laziness. It’s something changed in people’s biological urges on a mass scale.

Biology hasn’t changed. Humans have always craved high calorie foods. We just never had the unfettered access to them like we do now. So yes it is lifestyle related if you are choosing to buy and eat those foods and to overindulge. There are other options. Yes it is a choice to continue to overeat and overindulge year after year and 10 lbs after 10 Lbs after 10 lbs, until you find yourself 100 lbs overweight then say oh sh*t, I need to do something different

We have had unfettered access much longer than we have had obesity on the rise. I don’t know why it’s so important for you to believe that it’s because people are choosing to eat garbage, that you refuse to internalize the data.

I see what people buy in stores, eat in restaurants, order at take, cook in their homes. It is huge portions of garbage. I don’t get why you need to tiptoe around this. It is a choice to eat that way. Majority of people that are obese got that way from overeating eating and/or eating garbage foods for years and years. Weight accumulates over time, giving people ample time and opportunity to change what and how much they are eating before they get obese. But people generally chose not to care or put in the work or discipline until it becomes a big issue

Hmm that’s weird. Are you poor? Because the people I live around shop at Whole Foods and eat balanced meals full of fresh produce.

NP. I think that the PP you are responding to is the very weird and obsessed stalker who continually monitors the Facebook pictures and shopping habits of her fat friends who are doctors. That person is definitely unbalanced and spends an enormous amount of time stalking her acquaintances (who seem to have much better lives than she does). I would ignore her. She’s nuts.

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Anonymous wrote:All these folks can keep being on their moral high whatever, and I'm gonna keep taking my shot. I'll

worrry about gains when the that tome comes. But for now, the food noise is gone, and I'm maintaining the weight loss. But it's still killing me that no one makes these same arguments about pharmaceuticals for other ailments.

What is the deal? Why are some of you so concerned about how fat people lose or not lose weight?

I feel glorious when I see number on the scale drop lower and lower and I don't have to $hitz but live my life like normal people. No constant food cravings, no bad foods, I can eat whatever I want within moderation. No food is bad. I love it.

So all these naysayers, keep talking, while us folks taking these meds reap the benefits and hopefully great health.

It’s pretty funny. They thought they could shame us out of being fat, and now they think they can shame us out of taking the medicine that makes us lose weight.

The truth is that they don’t like that we can become thin and be like them without misery. They were okay with weight loss surgery (although they still called it the easy way out). It leaves scars and requires forever sacrifice of a proper functioning stomach. It changes your eating permanently. Those terms were acceptable for them, an adequate punishment for our former obesity. Ozempic and similar are too painless and we don’t deserve to lose weight painlessly.

NP. The bolded is so insightful, and a very accurate summation of what’s going on with some of the angry posters lashing out at Ozempic users in this thread. Really thoughtfully observed. It is also interesting because I suspect a good number of those posters probably take antidepressants or some sort of pharmacological intervention for mood and mental health (or dear God, they really clearly need it).

I’m not obese, but I could not be more delighted that there is a medical treatment for obesity that is reasonably well-understood and seems to have years of data behind it. It’s about time.

Oh come on, now. I am a PP who posted that I am not obese/overweight but I am glad these drugs exist and I am truly happy that people who need to lose weight for their health are able to do it with these new treatments when other efforts have not worked for them.

However, I still think we need to encourage people to eat healthy and move more - it's basic common sense! Maybe some believe there is a fine line between fat shaming and nutrition advice, but we cannot give up trying. The message cannot become, "don't bother trying lifestyle changes, all the forces are against you, drugs are the only thing that work." That would be incredibly damaging!

The drugs seem to be a miracle for those who really need them but they should be a last resort and should not be used to compensate for a bad diet, or to treat vanity pounds like celebs are doing.

There have been years and years of taking the approach of encouraging people to eat healthy and move more to try to address obesity. Literally billions of dollars have been poured into the effort over fifty or sixty years. But the evidence does not lie: as a medical approach, that’s a colossal failure.

Why on earth do you think there is literally any evidence to support your approach? You seem to wish that just telling people what to do would work, but wishful thinking is not a reasonable approach to public health.

Give me solid evidence—I will take any evidence—that telling people to “eat healthy and move more” has had any appreciable impact whatsoever in preventing obesity over the long-term and across societal groups.

Why do you cling to myths? Why can’t you face reality?

Probably because telling people to “fix their lifestyle” feels good to PP and it’s not about actually improving anyone’s life. Just a guess!

You are probably right.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s ironic how those who always said d it’s a moral/mental failing to be fat are now faced with a physiological treatment/cure refuse to acknowledge that indicates it’s primarily a physiological/genetic predisposition.

It isn’t moral. But it is discipline. No one absolutely has to overeat unless they take drugs

Their natural brain chemistry is the “drug”

It isn’t fentanyl. No one is going through DTs if they skip McDonalds or stop at one scoop of ice cream.

It’s actually quite east to maintain obesity on brown rice, broccoli, and grilled chicken. You clearly know nothing about it which is why you default to lazy tropes.

Ok, but you can’t GET obese on this plus not overeating

Well yes but people who are disposed to obesity are disposed to overeating whatever it is that they are eating. My obese sister will eat the entire serving bowl of roasted broccoli when she’s at my house. And she’s been that way since she was a kid. It’s not McDonald’s, it’s not ice cream, it’s something in her biology.

Maybe it is in HER biology. That doesn't explain the ever increasing obesity rate.

Considering both parents are slim, and she’s part of a global trend, I am thinking there’s something going on with biology on a mass scale.

Exactly. Couldn't possibly be lifestyle related.

You’re creating a false dichotomy. I completely believe that increased weight is due to increased calorie consumption. But people’s calorie consumption is mostly a product of their biology and “calorie compensation,” I.e. eating what your biology is urging you to eat. It’s not that it isn’t “lifestyle” or a consequence of calorie consumption. It’s that this isn’t a moral failing, it isn’t ice cream, it isn’t McDonald’s, it isn’t laziness. It’s something changed in people’s biological urges on a mass scale.

Biology hasn’t changed. Humans have always craved high calorie foods. We just never had the unfettered access to them like we do now. So yes it is lifestyle related if you are choosing to buy and eat those foods and to overindulge. There are other options. Yes it is a choice to continue to overeat and overindulge year after year and 10 lbs after 10 Lbs after 10 lbs, until you find yourself 100 lbs overweight then say oh sh*t, I need to do something different

We have had unfettered access much longer than we have had obesity on the rise. I don’t know why it’s so important for you to believe that it’s because people are choosing to eat garbage, that you refuse to internalize the data.

I see what people buy in stores, eat in restaurants, order at take, cook in their homes. It is huge portions of garbage. I don’t get why you need to tiptoe around this. It is a choice to eat that way. Majority of people that are obese got that way from overeating eating and/or eating garbage foods for years and years. Weight accumulates over time, giving people ample time and opportunity to change what and how much they are eating before they get obese. But people generally chose not to care or put in the work or discipline until it becomes a big issue

Hmm that’s weird. Are you poor? Because the people I live around shop at Whole Foods and eat balanced meals full of fresh produce.

NP. I think that the PP you are responding to is the very weird and obsessed stalker who continually monitors the Facebook pictures and shopping habits of her fat friends who are doctors. That person is definitely unbalanced and spends an enormous amount of time stalking her acquaintances (who seem to have much better lives than she does). I would ignore her. She’s nuts.

So people are becoming obese because of their inability to portion control their leafy greens and raspberries from WF?

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Anonymous wrote:All these folks can keep being on their moral high whatever, and I'm gonna keep taking my shot. I'll

worrry about gains when the that tome comes. But for now, the food noise is gone, and I'm maintaining the weight loss. But it's still killing me that no one makes these same arguments about pharmaceuticals for other ailments.

What is the deal? Why are some of you so concerned about how fat people lose or not lose weight?

I feel glorious when I see number on the scale drop lower and lower and I don't have to $hitz but live my life like normal people. No constant food cravings, no bad foods, I can eat whatever I want within moderation. No food is bad. I love it.

So all these naysayers, keep talking, while us folks taking these meds reap the benefits and hopefully great health.

It’s pretty funny. They thought they could shame us out of being fat, and now they think they can shame us out of taking the medicine that makes us lose weight.

The truth is that they don’t like that we can become thin and be like them without misery. They were okay with weight loss surgery (although they still called it the easy way out). It leaves scars and requires forever sacrifice of a proper functioning stomach. It changes your eating permanently. Those terms were acceptable for them, an adequate punishment for our former obesity. Ozempic and similar are too painless and we don’t deserve to lose weight painlessly.

NP. The bolded is so insightful, and a very accurate summation of what’s going on with some of the angry posters lashing out at Ozempic users in this thread. Really thoughtfully observed. It is also interesting because I suspect a good number of those posters probably take antidepressants or some sort of pharmacological intervention for mood and mental health (or dear God, they really clearly need it).

I’m not obese, but I could not be more delighted that there is a medical treatment for obesity that is reasonably well-understood and seems to have years of data behind it. It’s about time.

Oh come on, now. I am a PP who posted that I am not obese/overweight but I am glad these drugs exist and I am truly happy that people who need to lose weight for their health are able to do it with these new treatments when other efforts have not worked for them.

However, I still think we need to encourage people to eat healthy and move more - it's basic common sense! Maybe some believe there is a fine line between fat shaming and nutrition advice, but we cannot give up trying. The message cannot become, "don't bother trying lifestyle changes, all the forces are against you, drugs are the only thing that work." That would be incredibly damaging!

The drugs seem to be a miracle for those who really need them but they should be a last resort and should not be used to compensate for a bad diet, or to treat vanity pounds like celebs are doing.

There have been years and years of taking the approach of encouraging people to eat healthy and move more to try to address obesity. Literally billions of dollars have been poured into the effort over fifty or sixty years. But the evidence does not lie: as a medical approach, that’s a colossal failure.

Why on earth do you think there is literally any evidence to support your approach? You seem to wish that just telling people what to do would work, but wishful thinking is not a reasonable approach to public health.

Give me solid evidence—I will take any evidence—that telling people to “eat healthy and move more” has had any appreciable impact whatsoever in preventing obesity over the long-term and across societal groups.

Why do you cling to myths? Why can’t you face reality?

Obviously telling people to do these things doesn't work well. The US needs a complete society reset if we really want to address obesity - less driving, more walking, shorter work hours, less reliance on fast food, more knowledge of cooking and how to make healthy food, less processed food in stores. Of course that will never happen so we just tell people they should take medication, and pharmaceutical companies can make $$.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s ironic how those who always said d it’s a moral/mental failing to be fat are now faced with a physiological treatment/cure refuse to acknowledge that indicates it’s primarily a physiological/genetic predisposition.

It isn’t moral. But it is discipline. No one absolutely has to overeat unless they take drugs

Their natural brain chemistry is the “drug”

It isn’t fentanyl. No one is going through DTs if they skip McDonalds or stop at one scoop of ice cream.

It’s actually quite east to maintain obesity on brown rice, broccoli, and grilled chicken. You clearly know nothing about it which is why you default to lazy tropes.

Ok, but you can’t GET obese on this plus not overeating

Well yes but people who are disposed to obesity are disposed to overeating whatever it is that they are eating. My obese sister will eat the entire serving bowl of roasted broccoli when she’s at my house. And she’s been that way since she was a kid. It’s not McDonald’s, it’s not ice cream, it’s something in her biology.

Maybe it is in HER biology. That doesn't explain the ever increasing obesity rate.

Considering both parents are slim, and she’s part of a global trend, I am thinking there’s something going on with biology on a mass scale.

Exactly. Couldn't possibly be lifestyle related.

You’re creating a false dichotomy. I completely believe that increased weight is due to increased calorie consumption. But people’s calorie consumption is mostly a product of their biology and “calorie compensation,” I.e. eating what your biology is urging you to eat. It’s not that it isn’t “lifestyle” or a consequence of calorie consumption. It’s that this isn’t a moral failing, it isn’t ice cream, it isn’t McDonald’s, it isn’t laziness. It’s something changed in people’s biological urges on a mass scale.

Biology hasn’t changed. Humans have always craved high calorie foods. We just never had the unfettered access to them like we do now. So yes it is lifestyle related if you are choosing to buy and eat those foods and to overindulge. There are other options. Yes it is a choice to continue to overeat and overindulge year after year and 10 lbs after 10 Lbs after 10 lbs, until you find yourself 100 lbs overweight then say oh sh*t, I need to do something different

We have had unfettered access much longer than we have had obesity on the rise. I don’t know why it’s so important for you to believe that it’s because people are choosing to eat garbage, that you refuse to internalize the data.

I see what people buy in stores, eat in restaurants, order at take, cook in their homes. It is huge portions of garbage. I don’t get why you need to tiptoe around this. It is a choice to eat that way. Majority of people that are obese got that way from overeating eating and/or eating garbage foods for years and years. Weight accumulates over time, giving people ample time and opportunity to change what and how much they are eating before they get obese. But people generally chose not to care or put in the work or discipline until it becomes a big issue

Hmm that’s weird. Are you poor? Because the people I live around shop at Whole Foods and eat balanced meals full of fresh produce.

NP. I think that the PP you are responding to is the very weird and obsessed stalker who continually monitors the Facebook pictures and shopping habits of her fat friends who are doctors. That person is definitely unbalanced and spends an enormous amount of time stalking her acquaintances (who seem to have much better lives than she does). I would ignore her. She’s nuts.

So people are becoming obese because of their inability to portion control their leafy greens and raspberries from WF?

Give it a rest, you creepy stalker. Your friends have a much better life than you do, and you will have to deal with that. I’m sorry you are so bitter when faced with them living their happy best lives.

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Anonymous wrote:All these folks can keep being on their moral high whatever, and I'm gonna keep taking my shot. I'll

worrry about gains when the that tome comes. But for now, the food noise is gone, and I'm maintaining the weight loss. But it's still killing me that no one makes these same arguments about pharmaceuticals for other ailments.

What is the deal? Why are some of you so concerned about how fat people lose or not lose weight?

I feel glorious when I see number on the scale drop lower and lower and I don't have to $hitz but live my life like normal people. No constant food cravings, no bad foods, I can eat whatever I want within moderation. No food is bad. I love it.

So all these naysayers, keep talking, while us folks taking these meds reap the benefits and hopefully great health.

It’s pretty funny. They thought they could shame us out of being fat, and now they think they can shame us out of taking the medicine that makes us lose weight.

The truth is that they don’t like that we can become thin and be like them without misery. They were okay with weight loss surgery (although they still called it the easy way out). It leaves scars and requires forever sacrifice of a proper functioning stomach. It changes your eating permanently. Those terms were acceptable for them, an adequate punishment for our former obesity. Ozempic and similar are too painless and we don’t deserve to lose weight painlessly.

NP. The bolded is so insightful, and a very accurate summation of what’s going on with some of the angry posters lashing out at Ozempic users in this thread. Really thoughtfully observed. It is also interesting because I suspect a good number of those posters probably take antidepressants or some sort of pharmacological intervention for mood and mental health (or dear God, they really clearly need it).

I’m not obese, but I could not be more delighted that there is a medical treatment for obesity that is reasonably well-understood and seems to have years of data behind it. It’s about time.

Oh come on, now. I am a PP who posted that I am not obese/overweight but I am glad these drugs exist and I am truly happy that people who need to lose weight for their health are able to do it with these new treatments when other efforts have not worked for them.

However, I still think we need to encourage people to eat healthy and move more - it's basic common sense! Maybe some believe there is a fine line between fat shaming and nutrition advice, but we cannot give up trying. The message cannot become, "don't bother trying lifestyle changes, all the forces are against you, drugs are the only thing that work." That would be incredibly damaging!

The drugs seem to be a miracle for those who really need them but they should be a last resort and should not be used to compensate for a bad diet, or to treat vanity pounds like celebs are doing.

There have been years and years of taking the approach of encouraging people to eat healthy and move more to try to address obesity. Literally billions of dollars have been poured into the effort over fifty or sixty years. But the evidence does not lie: as a medical approach, that’s a colossal failure.

Why on earth do you think there is literally any evidence to support your approach? You seem to wish that just telling people what to do would work, but wishful thinking is not a reasonable approach to public health.

Give me solid evidence—I will take any evidence—that telling people to “eat healthy and move more” has had any appreciable impact whatsoever in preventing obesity over the long-term and across societal groups.

Why do you cling to myths? Why can’t you face reality?

Obviously telling people to do these things doesn't work well. The US needs a complete society reset if we really want to address obesity - less driving, more walking, shorter work hours, less reliance on fast food, more knowledge of cooking and how to make healthy food, less processed food in stores. Of course that will never happen so we just tell people they should take medication, and pharmaceutical companies can make $$.

Well, yes. That approach is a lot more reality-based. I’m not disagreeing that it is unfortunate—there is a lot wrong with global lifestyles—but they aren’t going to change easily. And in the meantime, some obese people might be really helped by a promising drug.

Your outlook is depressing but not as depressing as continuing to blindly pretend that telling people to eat healthy and move more has literally any measurable positive health impact. At least you aren’t delusional.