Who else voted against weed legalization for rec use in MD?

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Voted yes, just want it legalized and sold like alcohol.

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Anonymous wrote:I voted against it.


Pot makes you dumb. A little pot makes you a little dumb, and a lot of pot makes you really dumb.

It’s not in our interest as a society to be even further dumbed down.

Alcohol does the same thing, but it’s a heck of a lot more addictive.

DP - alcohol doesn’t increase risk for psychosis. It doesn’t produce smoke that’s harmful for those around the person smoking weed.

Are you really arguing alcohol is less harmful than weed?

No, I’m not. I’m arguing that weed isn’t harmless, as a shocking amount of educated people seem to think.

As to the psychosis issue: I should have been more specific. Cannabis use in adolescence specifically increases risk for psychosis and schizophrenia. Alcohol might increase that risk slightly, but not nearly as much as cannabis.

But again, the real problem is that people think cannabis is NBD. It IS a big deal. It’s NOT okay to smoke weed during pregnancy, or give it to your teenagers, or smoke it regularly around your kids.

NO ONE is suggesting weed for minors or pregnant women. Obviously. 🙄

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Juul wasn’t supposed to be sold to minors either and yet…

Have you ever been to a dispensary? Minors are not buying at a legal shop. Your DL is recorded every time you want to walk in the door. And it’s much more expensive to buy legally than on the street.

Kids have always smoked weed - being illegal doesn’t mean anything. There is a typical demographic that seems to use flavored vape pens and it’s not educated middle or upper class adults (the group legal weed seems to attract).

Being illegal doesn't mean people won't do it, you're right, but being legal means it is easier for people to do it, which sucks.

I'm tired of the reefer madness and smelling pot everywhere. Can I just drive on the road without being exposed to mind altering clouds of smoke because some douche bag is hot boxing while driving with a DWI?

I am in SF where it's been legal. I don't partake however. I've tried it several times and it doesn't relax me, I get a dry mouth and just don't enjoy it. But the complaining about the second hand smoke is BS. Who smokes anymore?? Most people use gummies or vape pens... There is no impact on neighbors and no one is getting a contact high that way.

And no one mentioning the taxes generated or the heavy regulation. It's just such a non problem- focus on opioids, gun violence, poverty, and violence. This is a dumb cause to put energy behind.

Here in Maryland, drug-related gun violence is fueled by marijuana.

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Only because of heavy regulation and high taxes. The government should distribute weed for free to people who can't afford it.

Like kids? The kids who robbed and slit their dealer’s throat in Bethesda were 16, 17, and 18.

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Anonymous wrote:I voted against it.


Pot makes you dumb. A little pot makes you a little dumb, and a lot of pot makes you really dumb.

It’s not in our interest as a society to be even further dumbed down.

Alcohol does the same thing, but it’s a heck of a lot more addictive.

DP - alcohol doesn’t increase risk for psychosis. It doesn’t produce smoke that’s harmful for those around the person smoking weed.

Are you really arguing alcohol is less harmful than weed?

No, I’m not. I’m arguing that weed isn’t harmless, as a shocking amount of educated people seem to think.

As to the psychosis issue: I should have been more specific. Cannabis use in adolescence specifically increases risk for psychosis and schizophrenia. Alcohol might increase that risk slightly, but not nearly as much as cannabis.

But again, the real problem is that people think cannabis is NBD. It IS a big deal. It’s NOT okay to smoke weed during pregnancy, or give it to your teenagers, or smoke it regularly around your kids.

NO ONE is suggesting weed for minors or pregnant women. Obviously. 🙄

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Juul wasn’t supposed to be sold to minors either and yet…

Have you ever been to a dispensary? Minors are not buying at a legal shop. Your DL is recorded every time you want to walk in the door. And it’s much more expensive to buy legally than on the street.

Kids have always smoked weed - being illegal doesn’t mean anything. There is a typical demographic that seems to use flavored vape pens and it’s not educated middle or upper class adults (the group legal weed seems to attract).

Being illegal doesn't mean people won't do it, you're right, but being legal means it is easier for people to do it, which sucks.

I'm tired of the reefer madness and smelling pot everywhere. Can I just drive on the road without being exposed to mind altering clouds of smoke because some douche bag is hot boxing while driving with a DWI?

I am in SF where it's been legal. I don't partake however. I've tried it several times and it doesn't relax me, I get a dry mouth and just don't enjoy it. But the complaining about the second hand smoke is BS. Who smokes anymore?? Most people use gummies or vape pens... There is no impact on neighbors and no one is getting a contact high that way.

And no one mentioning the taxes generated or the heavy regulation. It's just such a non problem- focus on opioids, gun violence, poverty, and violence. This is a dumb cause to put energy behind.

Here in Maryland, drug-related gun violence is fueled by marijuana.

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Only because of heavy regulation and high taxes. The government should distribute weed for free to people who can't afford it.

Like kids? The kids who robbed and slit their dealer’s throat in Bethesda were 16, 17, and 18.

If weed were legal there wouldn't be dealers who are targets for robbery because they're out on the street with lots of cash.

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Anonymous wrote:I voted against it.


Pot makes you dumb. A little pot makes you a little dumb, and a lot of pot makes you really dumb.

It’s not in our interest as a society to be even further dumbed down.

Alcohol does the same thing, but it’s a heck of a lot more addictive.

DP - alcohol doesn’t increase risk for psychosis. It doesn’t produce smoke that’s harmful for those around the person smoking weed.

Are you really arguing alcohol is less harmful than weed?

No, I’m not. I’m arguing that weed isn’t harmless, as a shocking amount of educated people seem to think.

As to the psychosis issue: I should have been more specific. Cannabis use in adolescence specifically increases risk for psychosis and schizophrenia. Alcohol might increase that risk slightly, but not nearly as much as cannabis.

But again, the real problem is that people think cannabis is NBD. It IS a big deal. It’s NOT okay to smoke weed during pregnancy, or give it to your teenagers, or smoke it regularly around your kids.

NO ONE is suggesting weed for minors or pregnant women. Obviously. 🙄

i
Juul wasn’t supposed to be sold to minors either and yet…

Have you ever been to a dispensary? Minors are not buying at a legal shop. Your DL is recorded every time you want to walk in the door. And it’s much more expensive to buy legally than on the street.

Kids have always smoked weed - being illegal doesn’t mean anything. There is a typical demographic that seems to use flavored vape pens and it’s not educated middle or upper class adults (the group legal weed seems to attract).

Being illegal doesn't mean people won't do it, you're right, but being legal means it is easier for people to do it, which sucks.

I'm tired of the reefer madness and smelling pot everywhere. Can I just drive on the road without being exposed to mind altering clouds of smoke because some douche bag is hot boxing while driving with a DWI?

I am in SF where it's been legal. I don't partake however. I've tried it several times and it doesn't relax me, I get a dry mouth and just don't enjoy it. But the complaining about the second hand smoke is BS. Who smokes anymore?? Most people use gummies or vape pens... There is no impact on neighbors and no one is getting a contact high that way.

And no one mentioning the taxes generated or the heavy regulation. It's just such a non problem- focus on opioids, gun violence, poverty, and violence. This is a dumb cause to put energy behind.

Here in Maryland, drug-related gun violence is fueled by marijuana.

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH omg I needed that

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Voted yes, just want it legalized and sold like alcohol.

Same, for many reasons. Not to be discounted - so that people could easily get pens and vapes, thereby reducing the ‘impossible to live with’ smell that appears to plague so many people on this thread so consistently (lols).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I did. I am a progressive, left of center Democrat for practically everything, but not for this.

Same. The smell and impaired drivers affect me personally. Those two factors prevent me from “let live” in this case.

How do you know you’ve been personally impacted by a driver who had been smoking weed? Did you get into an accident and the cops tested him/ her? (No such test really exists so probably not.) Did you see the empty bag of edibles in their car and assume they had consumed some earlier? Did you smell it out your window? If someone is driving erratically, there’s a significantly higher chance that it’s a primarily alcohol impaired driver.

Also, where are all of you hanging out to be bombarded by the smell all the time? I might walk through pockets of weed smell once every couple of days for 5 seconds or less when I’m downtown. And I have terrible asthma and still manage to survive those few seconds- impressive, I know! I encounter irresponsible dog owners not picking up dog poop far more frequently, which is much much smellier and more annoying. “Smell” is not a real argument here.

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Anonymous wrote:I voted against it.


Pot makes you dumb. A little pot makes you a little dumb, and a lot of pot makes you really dumb.

It’s not in our interest as a society to be even further dumbed down.

Alcohol does the same thing, but it’s a heck of a lot more addictive.

DP - alcohol doesn’t increase risk for psychosis. It doesn’t produce smoke that’s harmful for those around the person smoking weed.

Are you really arguing alcohol is less harmful than weed?

No, I’m not. I’m arguing that weed isn’t harmless, as a shocking amount of educated people seem to think.

As to the psychosis issue: I should have been more specific. Cannabis use in adolescence specifically increases risk for psychosis and schizophrenia. Alcohol might increase that risk slightly, but not nearly as much as cannabis.

But again, the real problem is that people think cannabis is NBD. It IS a big deal. It’s NOT okay to smoke weed during pregnancy, or give it to your teenagers, or smoke it regularly around your kids.

NO ONE is suggesting weed for minors or pregnant women. Obviously. 🙄

i
Juul wasn’t supposed to be sold to minors either and yet…

Have you ever been to a dispensary? Minors are not buying at a legal shop. Your DL is recorded every time you want to walk in the door. And it’s much more expensive to buy legally than on the street.

Kids have always smoked weed - being illegal doesn’t mean anything. There is a typical demographic that seems to use flavored vape pens and it’s not educated middle or upper class adults (the group legal weed seems to attract).

Being illegal doesn't mean people won't do it, you're right, but being legal means it is easier for people to do it, which sucks.

I'm tired of the reefer madness and smelling pot everywhere. Can I just drive on the road without being exposed to mind altering clouds of smoke because some douche bag is hot boxing while driving with a DWI?

I am in SF where it's been legal. I don't partake however. I've tried it several times and it doesn't relax me, I get a dry mouth and just don't enjoy it. But the complaining about the second hand smoke is BS. Who smokes anymore?? Most people use gummies or vape pens... There is no impact on neighbors and no one is getting a contact high that way.

And no one mentioning the taxes generated or the heavy regulation. It's just such a non problem- focus on opioids, gun violence, poverty, and violence. This is a dumb cause to put energy behind.

Here in Maryland, drug-related gun violence is fueled by marijuana.

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH omg I needed that

DP. Is murder over weed funny to you? This is just a small sample. If you suspect that marijuana use is causing you to have this type of emotional response, I would suggest that you stop using immediately because your response is disturbing.

https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2022/08/100-year-sentence-upheld-in-killing-of-2-montgomery-co-teenagers/
https://bethesdamagazine.com/2022/04/06/boyds-man-convicted-of-silver-spring-murder-tied-to-marijuana-deal/
https://bethesdamagazine.com/2022/02/23/two-men-accused-of-murdering-man-in-rockville-in-marijuana-robbery/
https://wjla.com/news/local/bethesda-murder-homicide-teen-blaise-ucehmadu-target-trader-joes-stabbing-marijuana-weed-stairwell-joshua-wright-antonio-lawrence
https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2022/05/silver-spring-man-sentenced-to-19-years-for-role-in-execution-style-marijuana-murder/

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Pot makes you dumb. A little pot makes you a little dumb, and a lot of pot makes you really dumb.

It’s not in our interest as a society to be even further dumbed down.

Alcohol does the same thing, but it’s a heck of a lot more addictive.

DP - alcohol doesn’t increase risk for psychosis. It doesn’t produce smoke that’s harmful for those around the person smoking weed.

Are you really arguing alcohol is less harmful than weed?

No, I’m not. I’m arguing that weed isn’t harmless, as a shocking amount of educated people seem to think.

As to the psychosis issue: I should have been more specific. Cannabis use in adolescence specifically increases risk for psychosis and schizophrenia. Alcohol might increase that risk slightly, but not nearly as much as cannabis.

But again, the real problem is that people think cannabis is NBD. It IS a big deal. It’s NOT okay to smoke weed during pregnancy, or give it to your teenagers, or smoke it regularly around your kids.

NO ONE is suggesting weed for minors or pregnant women. Obviously. 🙄

i
Juul wasn’t supposed to be sold to minors either and yet…

Have you ever been to a dispensary? Minors are not buying at a legal shop. Your DL is recorded every time you want to walk in the door. And it’s much more expensive to buy legally than on the street.

Kids have always smoked weed - being illegal doesn’t mean anything. There is a typical demographic that seems to use flavored vape pens and it’s not educated middle or upper class adults (the group legal weed seems to attract).

Being illegal doesn't mean people won't do it, you're right, but being legal means it is easier for people to do it, which sucks.

I'm tired of the reefer madness and smelling pot everywhere. Can I just drive on the road without being exposed to mind altering clouds of smoke because some douche bag is hot boxing while driving with a DWI?

I am in SF where it's been legal. I don't partake however. I've tried it several times and it doesn't relax me, I get a dry mouth and just don't enjoy it. But the complaining about the second hand smoke is BS. Who smokes anymore?? Most people use gummies or vape pens... There is no impact on neighbors and no one is getting a contact high that way.

And no one mentioning the taxes generated or the heavy regulation. It's just such a non problem- focus on opioids, gun violence, poverty, and violence. This is a dumb cause to put energy behind.

Here in Maryland, drug-related gun violence is fueled by marijuana.

p

Only because of heavy regulation and high taxes. The government should distribute weed for free to people who can't afford it.

Like kids? The kids who robbed and slit their dealer’s throat in Bethesda were 16, 17, and 18.

If weed were legal there wouldn't be dealers who are targets for robbery because they're out on the street with lots of cash.

Legalizing it never gets rid of the illicit market or the violence associated with it. In some cases, like California, it gets even worse.

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Anonymous wrote:I voted against it.


Pot makes you dumb. A little pot makes you a little dumb, and a lot of pot makes you really dumb.

It’s not in our interest as a society to be even further dumbed down.

Alcohol does the same thing, but it’s a heck of a lot more addictive.

DP - alcohol doesn’t increase risk for psychosis. It doesn’t produce smoke that’s harmful for those around the person smoking weed.

Are you really arguing alcohol is less harmful than weed?

No, I’m not. I’m arguing that weed isn’t harmless, as a shocking amount of educated people seem to think.

As to the psychosis issue: I should have been more specific. Cannabis use in adolescence specifically increases risk for psychosis and schizophrenia. Alcohol might increase that risk slightly, but not nearly as much as cannabis.

But again, the real problem is that people think cannabis is NBD. It IS a big deal. It’s NOT okay to smoke weed during pregnancy, or give it to your teenagers, or smoke it regularly around your kids.

NO ONE is suggesting weed for minors or pregnant women. Obviously. 🙄

i
Juul wasn’t supposed to be sold to minors either and yet…

Have you ever been to a dispensary? Minors are not buying at a legal shop. Your DL is recorded every time you want to walk in the door. And it’s much more expensive to buy legally than on the street.

Kids have always smoked weed - being illegal doesn’t mean anything. There is a typical demographic that seems to use flavored vape pens and it’s not educated middle or upper class adults (the group legal weed seems to attract).

Being illegal doesn't mean people won't do it, you're right, but being legal means it is easier for people to do it, which sucks.

I'm tired of the reefer madness and smelling pot everywhere. Can I just drive on the road without being exposed to mind altering clouds of smoke because some douche bag is hot boxing while driving with a DWI?

I am in SF where it's been legal. I don't partake however. I've tried it several times and it doesn't relax me, I get a dry mouth and just don't enjoy it. But the complaining about the second hand smoke is BS. Who smokes anymore?? Most people use gummies or vape pens... There is no impact on neighbors and no one is getting a contact high that way.

And no one mentioning the taxes generated or the heavy regulation. It's just such a non problem- focus on opioids, gun violence, poverty, and violence. This is a dumb cause to put energy behind.

Here in Maryland, drug-related gun violence is fueled by marijuana.

p

Only because of heavy regulation and high taxes. The government should distribute weed for free to people who can't afford it.

Like kids? The kids who robbed and slit their dealer’s throat in Bethesda were 16, 17, and 18.

If weed were legal there wouldn't be dealers who are targets for robbery because they're out on the street with lots of cash.

Legalizing it never gets rid of the illicit market or the violence associated with it. In some cases, like California, it gets even worse.

I am going to make a dumb analogy here, but one of the illicit businesses featured in Goodfellas that the mob profited in was bootleg cigarettes which was a perfectly legal product where lots of money could be made in the tax arbitrage. The current situation with marijuana everywhere that it has been legalized is no different and it California in particular - but also Colorado - the numbers that are being reported in police busts are staggering and just like in Goodfellas the crime is being driven by large-scale criminal organizations.
https://www.denverpost.com/2021/06/20/black-market-marijuana-colorado-chinese-crime-rings/

[Anonymous]

almost no one goes to jail solely because of pot possession unless they have so much that they're a drug dealer. i dont know why this myth refuses to die.

[Anonymous]

More than just the smell:

"There was a positive association between the number of cannabis dispensaries and rates of psychosis ED visits across all counties in Colorado. Although it is unclear whether it is access to products, or the types of products that may be driving this association, our findings suggest there is a potential impact on the mental health of the local population that is observed after cannabis legalization."
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0955395922001049

and lots more like this...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:almost no one goes to jail solely because of pot possession unless they have so much that they're a drug dealer. i dont know why this myth refuses to die.

"almost no one" isn't very comforting to the people who do go to jail.

[Anonymous]

NP here. 2 left of center Democrats household in MoCo; both of us voted against.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:almost no one goes to jail solely because of pot possession unless they have so much that they're a drug dealer. i dont know why this myth refuses to die.

"almost no one" isn't very comforting to the people who do go to jail.

Don’t break the law and you won’t. Did you grow up in a world devoid of consequences?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:almost no one goes to jail solely because of pot possession unless they have so much that they're a drug dealer. i dont know why this myth refuses to die.

"almost no one" isn't very comforting to the people who do go to jail.

Don’t break the law and you won’t. Did you grow up in a world devoid of consequences?

For 60+ years MJ has followed circular logic: It's bad because it's illegal, and it's illegal because it's bad.

Today's variant: it doesn't need to be legal because almost no one goes to jail for possession, but if they do go to jail they should have followed the law.

Or maybe it should just be legal and the police, courts and jails can devote their resources to real societal problems.