Donnie Dumptruck says Mar-A-Lago's been searched by the FBI

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“An FBI raid on a former president sets a dangerous precedent by implying the rule of law applies equally to everyone.”

Except H. Biden, Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton. Until the next republican is elected president of course! Haha.

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Anonymous wrote:Fact:

Suck it the F**K UP. He’s a F**KING criminal. We all know it.

This is what happens.

Yes, we “know” that our political opponents are criminals. So just throw them in jail before they can run for office! Perfect, right?

No one is in jail, a federal judge signed off on this warrant, and it doesn’t matter if he’s running for office or not.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a scary development, and I wish more people knew history. We will set a precedent in this country of prosecuting political rivals, and the republicans will do the same thing the next time a republican president is elected. And presidents will know that they can NEVER surrender power, since they’d be prosecuted after leaving office. So that will force them to seize dictatorial powers. This is exactly what happened with Julius Caesar and is how the Roman republic ended. Prosecuting political rivals will put us on the path to a civil war, which will end with one party authoritarian rule.

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This is a serious question. Are you assuming there is NO probable cause? What if there is probable cause - should they not raid bc he is a former president? What scenarios are you okay and not okay with this raid? Again, serious question.

Correct. They should not prosecute this “crime” precisely because he is a former president and prospective front runner. Because everyone knows that any prosecution is not actually about enforcing the Presidential Records Act, it is instead a pure power play. And power plays are returned in kind by the other side. This is exactly how civil wars start.

So any President can commit any crime whatsoever because investigating them could cause a civil war? That’s a recipe for a banana republic.

Do you think that there, just maybe, is a spectrum of criminal violations and that, if so, that records retention rules might be on the “not so important” end of that spectrum?

Honest question, if the next GOP president decides to audit every prominent Democrat and then charge many of them with tax code violations, would you think that would be ok? Do you see how prosecuting trump could set a precedent that could lead to things like that? Honest question.

Why are you so sure this raid is solely about the Presidential Records Act? That is the reason that has leaked publically, which is convenient for the Justice Dept because that investigation was already known. However, given the dangerous precedent you describe, it’s highly unlikely that Merrick Garland’s Justice Dept would execute a search warrant/ pursue an indictment solely based on the violation of the PRA. It’s possible there were multiple crimes cited on the warrant that haven’t leaked. It’s also possible that the content of the illegally taken documents implicates Trump on more serious charges. We will not know this until indictments come out. The Justice Dept hasn’t had any leaks before taking such dramatic action. They aren’t going to leak about other investigations and tip their hats.

Perhaps the “records retention act” violation was a pretext to grab all the documents they could find, to go on a fishing expedition to find other potential crimes to charge him with.

After the NY AG, southern district NY, and Bob Mueller spent mega millions on aces and wasted untold man hours and found… jack squat. Now we need another fishing expedition. Oy vey.

1) you haven't read the Mueller Report
2) you must be apoplectic about the time and money wasted on Benghazi.

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Anonymous wrote:So Desantis knew about it and did not let Donald know.

Why would DeSantis know about this?

If Biden didn't know, I'm guessing they didn't give DeSantis. a heads up.

Why would Biden or DeSantis know? It’s a raid, people. It’s unannounced. This isn’t hard.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a scary development, and I wish more people knew history. We will set a precedent in this country of prosecuting political rivals, and the republicans will do the same thing the next time a republican president is elected. And presidents will know that they can NEVER surrender power, since they’d be prosecuted after leaving office. So that will force them to seize dictatorial powers. This is exactly what happened with Julius Caesar and is how the Roman republic ended. Prosecuting political rivals will put us on the path to a civil war, which will end with one party authoritarian rule.

Oh so this is scary and not the attempt of a coup, the fake electors and all the new laws in some states to overturn the will of the people by legislators?

That’s not why the FBI searched his house. It was for alleged violations of the “Presidential Records Act.” Election disputes are common throughout our history, but a former president (let alone one who can run for another term) has NEVER been charged in our history. Do you doubt that the next republican would start charging democrats? Anyone can be charged with something. I wonder how many sitting democratic senators have ever violated federal records retention laws?

Do you understand that there needs to be clear evidence of crimes to get a federal search warrant on anyone, particularly a former President who’s constantly blathering about running again?

Yes, and do you understand that we have thousands of laws in this country and that prosecutors could find a violation to prosecute anyone they want? Literally anyone. Do you really think that the *reason* the FBI is going after him is solely because they are worried about the “Presidential Records Act”?

This is really, really dangerous stuff.

I must admit that I don’t understand what is dangerous about finding evidence of a crime, asking a judge for a warrant, and then executing the warrant. That happens multiple times a day, every day, in this country.

If you don’t see what a disastrous, ruinous decision this is, I don’t know what to tell you.

And if you don’t think an attempted coup is a ruinous event for a country….I don’t know what to tell you.

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Anonymous wrote:Dems just guaranteed that Trump will run and likely win in ‘24. What a shit-show these morons have unleashed.

Seems they’re trying to get him on a technicality that would forbid him from seeking office again. And truthfully, I could see Trump secretly wanting this. He doesn’t have to risk losing, he can just be a lazy glorified martyr for the GOP. Win win.

What’s a “technicality”?

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Anonymous wrote:Fact:

Your possible presidency does not exempt you from the law. WTF is wrong with you people. Somehow Comey saying crap about HRC was okay but not this. Total bs.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a scary development, and I wish more people knew history. We will set a precedent in this country of prosecuting political rivals, and the republicans will do the same thing the next time a republican president is elected. And presidents will know that they can NEVER surrender power, since they’d be prosecuted after leaving office. So that will force them to seize dictatorial powers. This is exactly what happened with Julius Caesar and is how the Roman republic ended. Prosecuting political rivals will put us on the path to a civil war, which will end with one party authoritarian rule.

+1

This is a serious question. Are you assuming there is NO probable cause? What if there is probable cause - should they not raid bc he is a former president? What scenarios are you okay and not okay with this raid? Again, serious question.

Correct. They should not prosecute this “crime” precisely because he is a former president and prospective front runner. Because everyone knows that any prosecution is not actually about enforcing the Presidential Records Act, it is instead a pure power play. And power plays are returned in kind by the other side. This is exactly how civil wars start.

So any President can commit any crime whatsoever because investigating them could cause a civil war? That’s a recipe for a banana republic.

Do you think that there, just maybe, is a spectrum of criminal violations and that, if so, that records retention rules might be on the “not so important” end of that spectrum?

Honest question, if the next GOP president decides to audit every prominent Democrat and then charge many of them with tax code violations, would you think that would be ok? Do you see how prosecuting trump could set a precedent that could lead to things like that? Honest question.

Why are you so sure this raid is solely about the Presidential Records Act? That is the reason that has leaked publically, which is convenient for the Justice Dept because that investigation was already known. However, given the dangerous precedent you describe, it’s highly unlikely that Merrick Garland’s Justice Dept would execute a search warrant/ pursue an indictment solely based on the violation of the PRA. It’s possible there were multiple crimes cited on the warrant that haven’t leaked. It’s also possible that the content of the illegally taken documents implicates Trump on more serious charges. We will not know this until indictments come out. The Justice Dept hasn’t had any leaks before taking such dramatic action. They aren’t going to leak about other investigations and tip their hats.

Perhaps the “records retention act” violation was a pretext to grab all the documents they could find, to go on a fishing expedition to find other potential crimes to charge him with.

After the NY AG, southern district NY, and Bob Mueller spent mega millions on aces and wasted untold man hours and found… jack squat. Now we need another fishing expedition. Oy vey.

1) you haven't read the Mueller Report
2) you must be apoplectic about the time and money wasted on Benghazi.

DP but yes! I was irritated both the Müller investigation and the Benghazi circus.

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Anonymous wrote:So Desantis knew about it and did not let Donald know.

Why would DeSantis know about this?

If Biden didn't know, I'm guessing they didn't give DeSantis. a heads up.

Why would Biden or DeSantis know? It’s a raid, people. It’s unannounced. This isn’t hard.

Biden would not have known, as there is a separation of DOJ and the White House that Biden actually respects.
DiSantis would have been informed as Governor of Florida, where the raid took place.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a scary development, and I wish more people knew history. We will set a precedent in this country of prosecuting political rivals, and the republicans will do the same thing the next time a republican president is elected. And presidents will know that they can NEVER surrender power, since they’d be prosecuted after leaving office. So that will force them to seize dictatorial powers. This is exactly what happened with Julius Caesar and is how the Roman republic ended. Prosecuting political rivals will put us on the path to a civil war, which will end with one party authoritarian rule.

Oh so this is scary and not the attempt of a coup, the fake electors and all the new laws in some states to overturn the will of the people by legislators?

That’s not why the FBI searched his house. It was for alleged violations of the “Presidential Records Act.” Election disputes are common throughout our history, but a former president (let alone one who can run for another term) has NEVER been charged in our history. Do you doubt that the next republican would start charging democrats? Anyone can be charged with something. I wonder how many sitting democratic senators have ever violated federal records retention laws?

Do you understand that there needs to be clear evidence of crimes to get a federal search warrant on anyone, particularly a former President who’s constantly blathering about running again?

Yes, and do you understand that we have thousands of laws in this country and that prosecutors could find a violation to prosecute anyone they want? Literally anyone. Do you really think that the *reason* the FBI is going after him is solely because they are worried about the “Presidential Records Act”?

This is really, really dangerous stuff.

I must admit that I don’t understand what is dangerous about finding evidence of a crime, asking a judge for a warrant, and then executing the warrant. That happens multiple times a day, every day, in this country.

Ok. Do you understand history? Do you understand what happened to the Roman republic and what the actual causes of its fall were? How about the many other counties that have fallen into dictatorship after a cycle of political prosecutions?

WTF are the trolls prattling about?

They’re prattling about the Roman Empire. Apparently, what’s happening now is just like what happened during Roman times.

[Anonymous]

What happened to the “Lock Her Up” mob? Surely they don’t believe political leaders are immune from federal investigation?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Dems just guaranteed that Trump will run and likely win in ‘24. What a shit-show these morons have unleashed.

Seems they’re trying to get him on a technicality that would forbid him from seeking office again. And truthfully, I could see Trump secretly wanting this. He doesn’t have to risk losing, he can just be a lazy glorified martyr for the GOP. Win win.

What’s a “technicality”?

A word used by rubes when they want to justify criming by the cult leader.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So Desantis knew about it and did not let Donald know.

Why would DeSantis know about this?

If Biden didn't know, I'm guessing they didn't give DeSantis. a heads up.

Why would Biden or DeSantis know? It’s a raid, people. It’s unannounced. This isn’t hard.

Biden would not have known, as there is a separation of DOJ and the White House that Biden actually respects.
DiSantis would have been informed as Governor of Florida, where the raid took place.

No, governors of states are not informed every time there’s a federal raid that occurs in their states. Where do you people get this stuff?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm really curious about what he stole from the white house. This can't be just like the Clintons taking a couple of tables or what not. I feel like it must be related to national security.

They said it was classified documents.

I don’t think they charge him here. They got their documents back, it’s done. It takes balls to charge an ex president with basically document theft (which he could have declassified when he was President), Garland doesn’t have it in him.

Yes, he committed another crime which would get a normal person prison time. Yes, it seems some documents are likely to be very sensitive. And yes, they are not going to charge him with document theft. I guess at least now they have the documents back. Sigh….he can do whatever he wants, if he killed someone on camera they would spend years investigating and wait for him to die of old age with an open investigation.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a scary development, and I wish more people knew history. We will set a precedent in this country of prosecuting political rivals, and the republicans will do the same thing the next time a republican president is elected. And presidents will know that they can NEVER surrender power, since they’d be prosecuted after leaving office. So that will force them to seize dictatorial powers. This is exactly what happened with Julius Caesar and is how the Roman republic ended. Prosecuting political rivals will put us on the path to a civil war, which will end with one party authoritarian rule.

Oh so this is scary and not the attempt of a coup, the fake electors and all the new laws in some states to overturn the will of the people by legislators?

That’s not why the FBI searched his house. It was for alleged violations of the “Presidential Records Act.” Election disputes are common throughout our history, but a former president (let alone one who can run for another term) has NEVER been charged in our history. Do you doubt that the next republican would start charging democrats? Anyone can be charged with something. I wonder how many sitting democratic senators have ever violated federal records retention laws?

Do you understand that there needs to be clear evidence of crimes to get a federal search warrant on anyone, particularly a former President who’s constantly blathering about running again?

Yes, and do you understand that we have thousands of laws in this country and that prosecutors could find a violation to prosecute anyone they want? Literally anyone. Do you really think that the *reason* the FBI is going after him is solely because they are worried about the “Presidential Records Act”?

This is really, really dangerous stuff.

I must admit that I don’t understand what is dangerous about finding evidence of a crime, asking a judge for a warrant, and then executing the warrant. That happens multiple times a day, every day, in this country.

Ok. Do you understand history? Do you understand what happened to the Roman republic and what the actual causes of its fall were? How about the many other counties that have fallen into dictatorship after a cycle of political prosecutions?

WTF are the trolls prattling about?

They’re prattling about the Roman Empire. Apparently, what’s happening now is just like what happened during Roman times.

Meanwhile, in modern Rome, Berlusconi has faced court 32 times and was convicted once. He served as Prime Minister throughout.