Oakton crash

[Anonymous]

Y'all need to look at the news reports about this accident. That Toyota was barely turning, as evidenced by where it is stopped. Additionally, the Toyota was hit on the driver's side/mid point of the vehicle, which would mean it hadn't yet fully turned into the intersection (or it would have been hit on the passenger side).

The kids all know who the driver is. He's a senior, and his IG is full of fast cars. He needs to go to jail. And the additional unfortunate circumstance is that the girl in the hospital is a sibling of one of those who died.

This is incredibly tragic, shouldn't have happened, and the kid who is responsible needs to pay for it.

[Anonymous]

A $3 million umbrella policy won’t even be enough for 2 girls and 1 wheelchair bound. We live in a world where George Floyd is worth $30 million.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The driver of the Toyota was expecting a car coming up at 30 to 40 mph, not 80 to 100!

THIS!

I'm sickened by seeing posts here piling on the Toyota driver for, gasp, trying to make a left turn. Who are these PPs acting as if the BMW going 80 to 100 shares any culpability here?

I guess none of those here who are trying to shift blame onto the Toyota driver have ever had the experience of starting to make a turn, seeing a vehicle in the distance and judging that there is time and space to make the turn -- only to realize suddenly that the vehicle is going FAR faster than you could tell visually at the distance involved. Looking at an oncoming car, if it's far enough away, you cannot necessarily judge that it's speeding at that point, you just see it and judge based on distance, not knowing that the vehicle will close the distance gap between you much, much faster than it appears it will.

The investigation will tell for sure if the Toyota driver has any culpability, but as others have noted, the high speed of the BMW will be key. If the BMW had not been speeding so very fast, it likely might not have bounced off the Toyota and gone up on the sidewalk where it killed those poor teens.

I can’t believe some of you are blaming the Toyota driver. Reminds me of the driver speeding on River Road who killed 3 member of a Whitman family making a left turn.

No one is blaming anyone. The 4Runner driver can easily see how fast the car is coming.

“...can easily see how fast the car is coming.”

You are clueless.

[Anonymous]

I asked the question about liability. I have one teen driver (now 18), and one getting his permit later this month -- so this is very relevant to me!

And here's what I'm finding.... https://www.allenandallen.com/can-parents-be-held-responsible-for-their-childrens-actions/

Seems unlikely that the parents would be held liable or lose their retirement on this. Negligent entrustment is pretty hard to prove. Having a bad driving record is not enough to establish negligent entrustment.

As a parent, I am relieved. As someone who is heart-broken for the girls who were killed and injured, I'm kind of angry that their parents may not be able to get compensation from the BMW boy's parents.

[Anonymous]

There is already a go fund me for one of the victims funeral expenses? Is this legit?

https://www.gofundme.com/f/g2zvfk-gabrielas-funeral-expenses?qid=15e8aab4f9d9cfaf7fadb93c158b8b91

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A $3 million umbrella policy won’t even be enough for 2 girls and 1 wheelchair bound. We live in a world where George Floyd is worth $30 million.

Does the umbrella policy even matter if the driver is an adult? Does the ownership of the vehicle (by the parents) make them "attachable" (sorry for the term) in order to go after their assets and umbrella policy? Or does the umbrella policy only apply if the driver is a minor?

Just trying to understand when I, as a parent, would actually be at risk -- does the age of my child (i.e. minor or adult) matter? Does the fact that someone is using my car put my retirement savings/home/umbrella policy at risk? -- even if the person I permit to use the car is an adult?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A $3 million umbrella policy won’t even be enough for 2 girls and 1 wheelchair bound. We live in a world where George Floyd is worth $30 million.

Does the umbrella policy even matter if the driver is an adult? Does the ownership of the vehicle (by the parents) make them "attachable" (sorry for the term) in order to go after their assets and umbrella policy? Or does the umbrella policy only apply if the driver is a minor?

Just trying to understand when I, as a parent, would actually be at risk -- does the age of my child (i.e. minor or adult) matter? Does the fact that someone is using my car put my retirement savings/home/umbrella policy at risk? -- even if the person I permit to use the car is an adult?

I would suggest you call your insurance agent. Best to get it directly from the writer of your policy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The driver of the Toyota was expecting a car coming up at 30 to 40 mph, not 80 to 100!

The driver of the 4Runner should have depth perception. You can tell if a car or anything is coming at you fast.. imagine a baseball... it's the difference between catching and ducking. You can tell the car is coming at you fast... you simply can tell.

And you’re simply an idiot.

[Anonymous]

I still feel bad for the 18 year old, he was going to go to college in the fall, now he will have to spend time in the court house. Its sad for ALL

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is already a go fund me for one of the victims funeral expenses? Is this legit?

https://www.gofundme.com/f/g2zvfk-gabrielas-funeral-expenses?qid=15e8aab4f9d9cfaf7fadb93c158b8b91

Yes, its real.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I still feel bad for the 18 year old, he was going to go to college in the fall, now he will have to spend time in the court house. Its sad for ALL

I don’t feel bad that his fall start at colleges has to be pushed back, given he was directly involved in the death of two people, critically injured another, and who knows what trauma form everyone else to witnessed it.

It was not an accident. He was reckless.

Are you kidding?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I still feel bad for the 18 year old, he was going to go to college in the fall, now he will have to spend time in the court house. Its sad for ALL

I don’t feel bad for the BMW driver at all. He had time to honk, but no time to swerve or ditch the car into the medium??

Hope he gets lots of prison. Lots.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I still feel bad for the 18 year old, he was going to go to college in the fall, now he will have to spend time in the court house. Its sad for ALL

I don’t feel bad that his fall start at colleges has to be pushed back, given he was directly involved in the death of two people, critically injured another, and who knows what trauma form everyone else to witnessed it.

It was not an accident. He was reckless.

Are you kidding?

I assumed PP was being sarcastic.

[Anonymous]

I'm sure the parents are scrambling to protect themselves - creating a trust, moving assests offshore accounts, maybe even filing for divorce.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Y'all need to look at the news reports about this accident. That Toyota was barely turning, as evidenced by where it is stopped. Additionally, the Toyota was hit on the driver's side/mid point of the vehicle, which would mean it hadn't yet fully turned into the intersection (or it would have been hit on the passenger side).

The kids all know who the driver is. He's a senior, and his IG is full of fast cars. He needs to go to jail. And the additional unfortunate circumstance is that the girl in the hospital is a sibling of one of those who died.

This is incredibly tragic, shouldn't have happened, and the kid who is responsible needs to pay for it.

The article says the 4runner was turning left. How did the driver's side get hit?